Packed with interesting ideas and features - meet the rugged Bestevaer 36
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024
- Designed by and built for Gerard Dykstra, this new baby of the go-anywhere Bestevaer range is rich in ideas both from the past and for the future - and is built largely from recycled aluminium by Dutch specialists KM Yachtbuilders. Toby Hodges gives you the tour
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Looks real easy to single hand, looks like a perfect boat for someone who wants to explore the world.
AS LONG AS THEYRE BUCKS UP!!
I love Bestevaers, such beautiful lines...
What a fantastic yacht. I agree; seeing all the boat reviews in rough weather would have been interesting. Cheers.
€800K for the the base spec, i.e. before she's fully fitted out with water maker / safety equipment / etc. Crazy money. Tiny galley, no technical room, and really not much interior volume at all. A couple of years ago you reviewed the Alubat OVNI 370 with a price tag of €280K+ taxes which so much ore interior volume. That would get my vote every time.
It's an aluminum sail boat intended for northern climates so I imagine some sort of foam insulation is grafted to the hull taking up volume. If they didn't insulate then the inside of that boat is going to be wet, wet, wet the moment they have to use heat.
Just got to the part of the video where he explains that they use cork on the hull and wool sandwiched between the aluminum and linoleum up top.
the ovni 370 is at 500k now
Was looking forward to videos of this boat. With that price, I've lost all interest.
@@Nozzall the cross section of the two boats is very different, especially in the bow. Both boats have insulated hulls but the Ovni has significantly greater volume.
It looks like a giant frying pan, but what a frying pan! It also looks to be absolutely solid. And the interior is quite nice, cosy and traditional. I've been looking into these yachts for quite a while and it pleases me to have Toby Hodges' take on it, albeit a curtailed take, as it happened, due to lack of conditions. Can't wait to see further reviews on these fascinating boats.
Cheers.
I own a plywood full keil folķ boat thats 70 still going strong!
Great to see the recent reviews of yachts made from different materials such as aluminium, wood and plywood.
Glad you like them!
Really like this one, imagine the 41 foot would be perfect. Thanks Toby.
Thanks for sharing, Toby. See you next time.
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Toby, no apologies needed. Just come back with a second review with the designer on board 😊
Best
Harry
I'll try! Thanks Harry
Nice classic start into the New Year with your nice presentation....on a historic day when the Six Ultime trimarans left Brest for the first round the globe single handed incredible historic race!
4:47 - looks like the thru hull for the raw water intake is attached to a pipe that extends (i'm guessing) above the waterline. Very cool.
Look forward to every single video Toby. Really wish you would start uploading in 4k in the future. The video quality of these videos is too good not to be shown in all its glory. Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work!
If we are asking for upgrades to the video quality, I'd prioritise going to 50/60 frames per second, and HDR.
Thanks for the positive feedback Mike - 4K adds a lot in terms of editing and upload time etc but we'll take that onboard for sure
The interior layout is FANTASTIC
Another great video! Thanks for sharing this boat with the world.
such a cool boat Toby, great to see you again bud. best wishes in the new years
Thank you - and happy 2024 to you too!
When your ready. I was raised in the Arctic, I would love to reach my North from your north.
Now that is a lovely boat!
Very nice sailing boat! I like the open plan layout. I guess the generator is to power the electric drive.
Be strong enough to be honest and kind
Awesome!! Great boat
I'll buy my lottery ticket then! in the mean time our Rival 34 will suit us very well. 🙂
Watching « The Sailing Brothers » who are now on the other side of the world a Rival 34 seems more than adequate.
Best Cool Aluminium Yacht⚡My Yacht !
KM yachts✌️🔥🔥
good stuff toby, always enjoy your vids
Thank you!
reminds me of pete goss vessel. lots of innovation and designed by sailor
Seems strange to have a hanging locker for wet weather gear that isn’t a wet locker. Is the idea to hang the clothing to dry somewhere else then transfer it to the « dry » locker - people will have to be very disciplined ! Having said that what a great boat, love it !
Gobsmackingly beautiful
Many nice details on this boat. 👍 I just don't understand the tunnel for the foresheets. What is that supposed to do?
Pleasure boat built more like a working boat. Kinda cool.
2:27 I'm gonna tell you right now that the top is not sandblasted aluminum, as sandblasted aluminum looks completely different. The top deck has a texture coating on it. You can see the raised edge along the clean cut seem.
From the brochure:
"Grit blasted non skid aluminium surface at walking areas on
deck/cockpit floor"
Loving the combo of old school metal boats with space age friction rings and dyneema👌 My only worry with metal is internal condensation and ensuring there are ways of getting it off the boat, but otherwise that’s a nice boat!
Cork is very effective and safe its also very light and renewable. Its also naturally resistant to mould and bacteria... Basalt needle matting is also safe and effective if you can get a supply.
The other trick that works is to add slow low noise and pressure computer fans to mushroom hatches and force air through the boats storage areas when in use or stored....
The airs forced behind and under the inner fittings and helps move the moisture out.
You can close them off under sail.
Although there are heat exchanging 12v domestic fan units designed for bathrooms and kitchens that might fit in a locker 🤔
That might be worth a try on an older boat.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
Sure thing. We used closed cell foam very effectively on our steel ketch and it’s lasted for 12 years ok, and I suspect will outlive me.
It’s forgotten areas like the lazarettes and lockers though. They’re not insulated and will experience temp differentials between outside / inside, thus producing condensation. In an ideal world, that would run down behind the stringers and be pumped out via bilge pump, but it’d be far easier just to insulate the area instead…
@@PN_48
Yes insulating the whole hull is the ideal.. it saves energy both ways reduces noise something that we forget especially in a metal hull.
The problem with sealed cell foam spray is ...its not cheap its made from hydrocarbons... It degasses some nasty chemicals and it sheds plastics into a closed environment . The other big problem is in the event of a fire many foams and plastics will burn or emit thick black toxic smoke. That will kill a person very quickly.
Cork is naturally fire resistant its ised to clad the outside of buildings in Southern Europes fire belt and can be treated to resist even a blow torch without harmful toxic smoke emissions .. its also more abrasion resistant . There are office buildings that use it as flooring where it has to withstand stiletto heals passing every day.
Basalt is incredibly good as a thermal chemical radiation and water and mould resistant it also doesnt form harmful shed particles. The Other group of materials that can be considered are flax, jute and hemp fibers.
Chain lockers are an obvious place where they need a liner that keeps metals separated and to reduce noise.
One other point, with the advent of chemically structurally modified timber like Inventwoods ..MettelWood.. or Accoya you may find that wood becomes a substitute for Al Car on fiber or even steel.. with natural insulation and even the ability to substitute for glass but keeping the strength and insulation of wood ..
If you reduce the thermal gradient and bridging you reduce the condensation risk and the energy needs of the vessel in both cold and hot climates.
Its an area that needs more attention and design material alternatives. 🧙♂️ 👍🏼
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@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Interesting alternatives to cell foam spray, are these in development or actually available as product?
Have you looked into the MCP aluminum explore sail yatchs? I think they're pretty slick
Refreshing!
Designed by sailors for sailors.
cool boat
Is there a heating system to help dry the boat out?
For remote area sailing the manual nature of so much of this boat is a big plus. Far fewer moving parts to fail, far fewer electric motorised parts to fail. Looks amazingly tough and when the shite hits the fan you’d feel comfortable in this boat. The massive price is immaterial as this is a one off custom design as Toby mentioned. What sort of price do you put on that?
Nice sailboat.. love it.. but.. -- QUESTION -- Why is the transom like that @00:22 where it looks impossible to climb onto. The old Garcia 43/46 had a large flat sugar scoop type transom that worked so so well. Kinda wish this did to. Is there a reason to have that type of old style transom on it?
If you watch the video @Coleen_West you will see at 05.20 there is a proper gate through the transom which also forms a swim platform
Wondering how hot that gets in the sun?
On deck it gets hot at noon (wear sandals), inside cooler than your typical grp boat because of all the insulation.
Consider that this boat wasn’t built by dykstra for the tropics, but for the waddensea and scandinavia.
And the light color won’t soak up as much heat as a dark exterior.
@michaelpimentel8710 not hot and it's insulated!!! Good builders. Would like 40/44 version.
I spent a week on an aluminium sailboat like this. On a summer day, alu boats get hot on that deck to the point you can not walk bare feet ... inside is warmer in comparison to a white grp with minimal insulation. In winter, alu boats must have insulation for condensation (which can create havoc) and temperature topics. alu builds require vertical and horizontal frames, that take space from the interior which is typically filled with insulation...with a nice convection heater is really nice and warm inside.
Love it ! Very pricey though .
Certainly has a navy ship look to it.
Wow!
Real battlecruiser!
And the same price...
I have to be honest and call this one the Worstevaer 36.
If it's raw, it's for sure
Muitos argumentam que é um barco muito caro e concordo q é mesmo, pelo menos pra 99% da população mundial. Mas tem alguns pontos: a possibilidade de encalhar em segurança, o tamanho reduzido que permite acesso a pequenos portos, a aparente maior facilidade de navegar solo, a robustez e funcionalidade de cada peça, isso pra não falar no motor elétrico com possibilidade de gerar energia. Barco dos meus sonhos
Undoubtedly metal is a nice building material from an environmental perspective ... but %99 of people do not need an aluminium hull ... this is why the market is so small and these boats are soooooo custom and therefore soooo expensive. nice one Toby.
Unless they can find a way of producing it at a quarter of that price it's destined to be a dead end design.
Quite
Amazing to me there may be a market for such a boat, at such a price
Presumably they have confidence there is
We shall see
take a shot for every 'as well'
The interior is like a 1960's boat, the price for what you get is insane.
You don't want to sail barefoot in the bahamas with this thing
Bahamas weren't really my first thought for this type of boat!
Why do they not use local sail makers?
All the amazing thoughtfulness, than your electircal bits are in the wet locker. Why are the low voltage guys always the after thought?
Antal winches were provided without anodization to save energy and pollution of the process!
does it have an engine ?
Does it burn your feet?
There are 'expedition' boats, and then, there is this: - what looks like an unfinished 'hirsuit' Neanderthal boat, rough with weld-seams and quorters that an experienced jailbird might find uncomfortable. This boat would likely suit best what in the US is called "preppers" - i.e. individuals actively planning to battle zombies during apocalypse. Having seen Garcias and Allures, methinks an expedition boat does not have to be such an unfinished tin-can - especially for such money, because, yes, the deck might get uncomfortably warmish if this tub ever sails south of the fortieth paralell... Perhaps this is an arctic-ocean 'special', or for the connoisuers of maso-kinky pursuits? - Just wait until that aluminum locker door closes on a finger...
There is nothing green about aluminium. Smeltering process has huge energy needs well beyond other materials.
This is just too agricultural for my type of sailing. As with comparing a traditional Landrover to a Toyota Landcruiser, there will be fans for each, but I will take the Landcruiser every time.
über solid ship, but frankly narrow inside, small layout, limited view from inside, no doghouse, no real space for the technical room ... for €800K , Alubat / Garcia / Boreal are a much more logical proposal to me.
Even if they were more expensive
KM for the win
Marvelous ll and deck design and construction. But WHY are all the builders employing swept back spreaders on short-handed cruising boats? It just makes going downwind much less effective and constantly demands using spinnakers of some sort. My old fashioned vessel with a 9.3 meter waterline can beat much bigger Beneteaus when the wind pipes up from astern because I can let my sails out for efficiency.
dead downwind is slower and more uncomfortable than broad reaching. simple as that.
Bonkers money but I suppose if you want the most rugged boat possible at that size you'd pay it.
Я что-то не понимаю. В чем ценность этой лодки, если она стоит 800.000 в базе?
Aluminum doesn’t absorb water like fibre glass, no gel coat to be scratched, easy to repair, it can be painted, but doesn’t have to be. If this boat was built in volume, the price would drop
Right,but as all things also aluminium has his cons,electrolysis for instance and seen the bad insulation figures it need extensive extra insulation.
Extremely small interior for a 36.
It looks like they’ve taken some hull cue designs from the Steve & Linda Dashew
Was just about to write this. Very much like an FPB! Love it.
You get more bang for the buck for 800K if you went with a semi-production boat like a Boreal or Garcia
The kitchen area is… non existent?
I like my boats clean and simple. There are way too many fiddly bits on this boat for my liking.
Rather have a Garcia
friend, turn on the Russian subtitles, and everyone else too, not everyone knows English; subtitles are needed in order to watch your videos on TV)
Little comfort and huge price. And that rudder is a joke. Heating is a must in the North. A larger model is preferable but then the cost is unreal.
Say more about rudder, please
It looks crazy system to me but anyway
@@Timothy_Pitt It's made out of plywood!
@@FighterFred
Copy that
Thanks
Wait, a 35' boat for 546K euro? I'll pass.
800k€😅😅
What a joke!
Resale value mate.. They don't depreciate much.. Sadly..😊
Veels te duur voor een alu koekepan bootje.
800k for a 36? Wow...
Orcas won’t chew on that.
It would give them a toothache anyhow
Haha bought a 37' Endurance for £13k. Built as good as that.
the Bestevaer yachts could do with some help from Van Destadt design office in respect of their pilot house. a block / turret ( in today's world) is a failure.
🌹🐦😇🗝🌹
The EU being so environmentally aware how do they allow boats to still dry out. Never allowed in the states.
dafuq 800k?? I love the boat but 800k € VAT0 is too much money for it.
I'm sorry, but that bare metal look makes it look like a barge.
Horses for Courses.... I absolute love the look of it. Plus, very low to no maintenance.
@@MoutinhoNuno as long as you're proactive on the anodes. Paint does provide a bit of corrosion protection.
Wow that looks bad
Too much
"Packed with interesting ideas and features" and at least one absolutely dreadful one...
The swim platform that you have to lower down to get access to the life raft looks like an awful design idea to me. So many things could prevent you from getting the life raft out of its compartment.
Very poor interior layout. The functional concept of the rest of the boat has gone berserk on the interior. Silly galley, silly head, and silly many things really. Also, what happens with condensation in some parts of the interior? Is that why the head is so small? Go back to the drawing board with someone who is not from your company. Nice try Tobes. The boat has some quite functionally appealing ideas, but these people are a little too introverted and need some help. Forget that silly dagger keel for a start. People might like to sail upwind.
Ah @thomaselliott573 - it's been a while - I've missed you!
It's very well insulated, the builders have done a few aluminium boats now. And I'd be interested to see you take your back to the drawing board and centreboards don't go upwind thoughts to Gerry Dykstra - again, a designer who knows a thing or two!
Useless comment. fark off@@yachtingworld
Centreboards going upwind on a bathtub? Licking butts again ay?@@yachtingworld
Toby’s gettin’ old….
Yes I have been for a long time now - but do tell me your rejuvenating tips Peter Pan!
@@yachtingworld..Eat keto, drink chateau petrus, sail Comanche…?
So electric drive right?.so what
Do you gain from that.have to
Run the generator on diesel
To the batteries to the drive
Unit.just have a diesel engine
Straight to the propellor.
Then shouldn't need the
Unsustainable batteries.
Not need them and don't
Have to dump them in a few years .I don't get it , somebody
Explain?
The Oceanvolt motor has regen, so it charges the batteries while sailing. Then you charge the batteries with the solar panels. In a marina you charge with shore power. So the generator is the backup of the backup of the backup.