They Tried to Burn Down My Barn
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2023
- Hey everybody: Today's video tackles a complex issue that affects many of us here in Vermont. This video also discusses a dark and scary time for our small farm. They are topics that will unquestioningly stir strong emotions, but it's also an opportunity for us to come together and listen to one another and make changes for the better. I ask everyone participating in the comments to do so with kindness and respect. Let's avoid bullying, name-calling, or any behavior that detracts from a meaningful dialogue. AND REMEMBER: Bullying, intimidation, threats, and harassment are ALWAYS WRONG and 100% UNACCEPTABLE. If this video moves you to action, consider sharing your thoughts with Governor Phil Scott through email (EXE.CSOShared@vermont.gov) or social media ( / philscottvt . Your voice matters, and it's through peaceful and respectful communication that we can initiate change. Thank you for joining in, and let's make this a space where all of us can feel heard and valued. With gratitude, Morgan
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The irony is that these "Hound Hunters" would be the first to greet you with a loaded firearm if you went on THEIR PROPERTY. I feel confident in saying that. But when it comes to YOUR PROPERTY and he's telling you to "go away" and refusing to even explain himself. He thinks "his rights" are more important than "YOUR RIGHTS."
Main Character Syndrome
Yup.
Hello. Worked to put someone in federal prison before. Quite a challenge. Shouldn't be our job, but here we are. Morgan has a very good case here, but unfortunately no arrests are going to be made until violence against a person occurs. Our system is broken in that regard, we can prove this by looking at most domestic violence situations, no arrests happen until someone ends up in the hospital with witnesses to the violence. Morgan and his family would benefit from changing the reporting system in Vermont into an information escrow. Jessica Ladd has one. She did a 6 minute ted talk about it, it's still up on youtube. It's not impossible to slow down the butch's of the world from doing irreparable harm to innocent people. Ask a leader, any leader, for an information escrow to report bad or criminal behavior. Reminder that making false reports is a crime. People like Butch won't have video evidence of violence, because we are not violent people. Morgan has a firestick tossed into a loft of tinder, recorded. What does Butch have? Let him make false reports and let us find out his footage of violence has to be faked. Get that reporting system, you deserve it.
Hunters like these are generally horrible people.
Entitlement at its finest.
Sadly it's the What's in it for Me, and if it's not for Me, then who is taking from Me mentality, or the Rules for thee, but not for Me! Hound hunters could do the right
thing by training their dogs on command to immediately stop and return to them if the animals they are pursuing goes onto private land, but that's too much work, it's better (in their lazy heads) to intimidate than be respectful. It's a dangerous mentality that is hard to diffuse and worse, the politicians refuse to get involved when they should be taking action against those who think they can do whatever they want. Sad
Butch might single handedly be a catalyst that changes the hound hunting laws. His behavior is evidence that land owners need additional protection of their rights.
Yes!!
Does it vary from state to state? In my state, if they are a threat to your live stock, you can do anything necessary to protect them.
@@loldotsarefunAnd that's when the hunters will kill the property owner for killing his dog for WHATEVER reason. Keep off private property.
the government wants to give full control of the food chain to the ultrarich. i do not see how they will change laws for the good.
In almost any other state it is a felony to hunt on private property. In many states as soon as you step on private property with a firearm without the owner’s permission you will go to jail.
You understated that, Morgan. They didn't just try to burn down the barn. As you said, they also shot flares at your house. That's attempted murder. And it's definitely attempted arson!
They didn’t try to murder him.
Calm down lol It was arson tho
I think you're right in that they probably didn't INTEND to murder him, but if they had been successful and someone died because of that arson, I think they could go down for murder. They're purposefully endangering the lives of people at that point. Super not okay.
@@lightup6751 Dying in house fires that start overnight is one of the most common ways to die from a fire. The perpetrators had to know that was a possible outcome when they attempted to burn both their house and barn down.
So yeah, if the house had caught on fire and they died in that fire, murder would have been one of the charges.
Even setting a building on fire when you believe no one is inside can still get a person an attempted murder charge. I know of someone who set his ex-girlfriend's house on fire when he believed she was at work. He was caught and was charged and convicted with arson and attempted murder. The prosecution argued successfully that he didn't make sure there was no one in the house when he set it on fire.
We lost a barn to a fire bug years and years ago. Hay was stored in the loft..we lost draft horses, cows, pigs, and a slew of differnt kinds of birds. I'm happy they missed the window. Scary doesn't being to cover it 😢
You should think about hiding a camera in the trees by the road for exactly this reason. Imagine if the owner of the blue truck came back with his buddy's sedan 🤦🏼♀️
@@SadisticSenpai61 Good point. Yeah, once a fire starts, it only takes minutes to have an out of control fire that becomes an imminent threat to life.
That toddler in a senior citizen’s body is a real piece of work. The mark of an adult is knowing that your rights end where someone else’s begins. He clearly never hit that stage.
He is still bitter about not being able to own slaves.
Hunters in VT are incredibly entitled.
Nicely said👍
@@allenfogarty2384REPORTED TO BUTCH!!
Oh yeah, those dogs trampling on those twigs in the middle of the woods did some real damage. Ridiculous.
I've said this before, but as a trainer who has specifically trained working dogs with insanely high prey drive, these hunters are full of the brown stuff when they say their dogs can't be taught to stop and return to them mid-chase. This is the number one excuse I hear from old school hunters: that once these dogs are on the chase, the only way to stop them is to physically pull them off of it. Using that logic, they claim that the only way to guarantee their dogs don't go on private property would be to outlaw hound hunting altogether, which to them is unacceptable.
Again, this is bullcr*p. Even putting my own experience aside, there are videos on YT of other hound hunters - including those who hunt at great distances from their dogs, just like Butch does - who successfully train their dogs to recall mid-hunt, and they do so with just a few days' effort per dog. These hunters use loud whistles that are designed to be heard miles away, and train their dogs to immediately stop and come whenever they hear said whistle. They begin training the dogs while young, and it only takes a couple days for their dogs to learn. The more dogs in each pack who have been taught this, the easier it becomes to teach the others. Heck, I saw one video where a hunter not only showed how easy it is to train this recall, he even took the camera with him on a hunt and showed his dogs stopping literally mid-chase (hot on the heels of a deer) to run straight to him upon hearing the whistle. Every single dog obeyed, instantly. You can't argue with those results.
The solution to this isn't to ban hound hunting. The solution is to require hound hunters to have *true* control over their dogs at all times, with heavy penalties for failing to control said dogs as needed. All these hunters need to do is spend a few days teaching each dog to recall to a whistle, then utilize their GPS trackers to monitor their dogs' location and immediately recall them if the pack begins to head toward property they're not allowed to hunt on. Easy peasy. But hunters like Butch like to pretend that's impossible, or that it's too much to ask of them to put forth such a minimal amount of effort to respect the property rights they claim to value so much (at least when it comes to their own property).
Butch is wrong. And if he and others like him don't want hound hunting eventually made illegal (as it will be if hounds continue running out of control on people's private property, attacking domesticated animals and people alike), they need to change. They have all the tools necessary to enact that change. The public simply needs to pressure lawmakers to force them to do so. For everybody's sake.
Side note: As for hunters believing they should have the right to violate other people's property rights - even temporarily - simply because they can't control their dogs (or "can't control the bear the dogs are chasing," as Butch puts it), I'd like to remind people that even individuals with life threatening disabilities who rely on highly trained service dogs to keep them alive have strict limitations on their right to be accompanied by said dogs. In particular, they must maintain full control of their canine partners at all times, and guess what? They're not allowed to bring their service dogs onto private property without the owner's permission. If even someone whose life depends on having their incredibly highly trained dog with them doesn't have the right to violate a property owner's wishes, why the heck should hunters have that right just to partake in a hobby that's completely voluntary? That's pure craziness.
You make some incredibly valid points. I think you and Morgan need to sit down and have a better chat person to person
if the dogs attack the Morgan's chickens you wouldn't know that and wouldn't know to call them back even if they were trained to come back when signaled. To be in control of your animal you need to be present not be miles away.
It seems the dogs are a lot smarter than the humans in this scenario.
This is a very thoughtful point of view
I agree, and for the rare cases that a dog legitimately can't be called of off something, then that dog just shouldn't be used for hunting like this.
Although you are very wrong about service dog laws. You cannot prevent someone from having a service dog with them just because it is private property. You can only tell the person they're not welcome as a whole and even then the ADA still protects people from being disallowed entry for being disabled and having a service dog when it is a business or place of service. (as in the location provides a service) If you tell someone not to come to your house which is used solely as a place of living then that is fine since the ada doesn't just give disabled people the right to go into people's houses uninvited
That's not attempted arson, it's attempted murder. They knew exactly what they were doing, and how easily any fire could of spread to your house and caused a tragedy. They either didn't care or were hoping for it. Only their incompetence prevented that. I thought they were just jerks being immature and selfish, but this is a whole different level. Be safe, and keep your cameras on
Arson usually is paired with attempted murder when the fire is near where someone lives but ya it's definitely attempted murder
seems like it was cooked up at the bar by drunks, who then went and acted on it like boys hitting puberty, including the loud woman.
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the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
The FBI should be involved.
In some states Arson have different degrees and arson of structure where people live or work are usually the highest degree. In NYS Arson 1st degree holds the same penalty as attempted murder.
@@CarolReidCAexactly, you CAN NOT negotiate with terrorists, the law needs to get involved.
Butch needs to understand that if he doesn’t want his dogs taken or shot then he should keep them away from your farm and other people’s farms. My family’s herd of goats were massacred by a group a 3 pet dogs that just wouldn’t stop. The one that we couldn’t get kept returning over a few days to try to kill more. Their owner was furious when we told them where their bodies could be found, and told us they could have stopped them, but we tried. Couldn’t distract them. It was horribly sad but that’s what happens when you let your animals run around off leash in other people’s land. You don’t know what they’ll do, and what lives they’ll ruin. We had to bury 35 beloved pets in one night because of irresponsible dog owners.
Butch hardly has half a brain he won't understand anything you try to tell him.
That’s a HUGE difference! These dogs are not pets that are spoiled that most dogs. They are highly training animals. These ppl train their dogs for months just to hunt for a few weeks out of the year. Love how ppl just talk nonsense and make completely ridiculous comparisons. It’s like complaining about a pet in a restaurant and banning service dogs because they’re both dogs.
@@caroc4327 Highly trained animals but they can't stop in the middle of the hunt???? This comment section is full of people saying how they managed to train their dogs to come back anytime but Butch's dogs can't? And comparing dogs with FRIGGIN DOGS isn't a "completely ridiculous comparison", what's ridiculous is attacking one commenter who is simply telling Butch he is putting his dogs at risk of being shot by acting like this.
@@steevetremblay1954 It's easy to say that they should train them to do this on that when you don't understand the dynamics of bear hunting. And an untrained pet is not the same as a well-trained dog, so I stand by my words.
@@caroc4327 We don't give a shit about the dynamics keep your animals off other people's property because in all 50 states we can kill the animal should it trespass on our property
Wow, Butch said himself that if the law ends up making that stuff illegal he's gonna join the vengeance train and push for things like making illegal to use paved roads for bicycles and a "thousand other things", this says everything one needs to know about this guy and people like him, the worst part of a democracy, ready for anything just for spite...
He's just not mentally there...he's a public danger.
The kicker is no one is arguing to make hound hunting illegal, just to respect property owners over hunters. He is afraid of being forced to respect other people's rights.
Butch is communistic.
Butch also said let’s talk about this and did farm boy respect that and say “maybe I can learn a thing or two in the conversation”? No, instead he posted a video of Butch making him a villain. Then farm boy says at the end of his video that ppl need to talk more, well, he closed that door with his social disrespect.
@@caroc4327 Someone living on his farm, a guy with a bunch of dogs lets them out of sight while they hunt right next to said farm but somehow, the farm owner is in the wrong? Maybe the whole video thing could have been different but it certainly does not put the farm owner in the wrong on this and Butch coming back near that farm only makes it worse. I'm sure Butch can be a nice fellow sharing a beer over a fire but in the forest with his uncontrolled dogs, he is the problem...
As a Texan, it is shocking that they can go onto anyone's property to hunt without the owner permission. Here in the Lone Star State that would get u and your dog shot and the property owner wouldn't face any issues for doing it. Especially if it's a ranch/farm. No dog, let alone a hunting one, should be so untrained that they can't b recalled. Absolutely mind blowing.
There is a huge cultural difference in the attitudes toward private property in New England. I grew up in Maine, it's very similar. If you wanted people to stay off your land, it was incumbent upon you to post it. I don't remember the exact specifications for the posting, but it was something similar to what is described here. If it wasn't posted, you were free to hunt on it. Honestly, I never really questioned it, because that's what I grew up with. It really wasn't until I became an adult and moved west (obviously, can't really move East from Maine) that I realized that things were different elsewhere.
I m a Kansan and you don't do that here either
Yeah that’s TX for you cause they respect property rights. Blue paint is all you need
It's purple paint 🔫🤠
Same thing in Iowa. Only there doesn't need to be any posting. You need to have the express permission from the owner, lessee, or person in lawful possession in order to hunt on their land. And if the owner, lessee, or person in lawful possession asks them to leave? You have to leave immediately.
The only exception is if the animal you wounded dies on someone else's property, you are allowed to enter the property _unarmed_ to retrieve the animal. That's it. You are not allowed to carry bows or guns onto someone else's property to retrieve the animal.
Edit: I should add that hunting with dogs in Iowa is only allowed if the dogs remain on a lead the entire time. Precisely because ppl (like Butch) don't have control of their dogs.
It still amazes me how someone trying to make a living and minding their own business and protecting what is theirs becomes the bad guy.
And they'll be the first ones to tell you that you are anti-American LOL
@@protic4 Anything to anyone is anti-american to the dumb people in America.
its a way to conquer a nation
@protic4 "You can't tell me what to do!" Meanwhile, they have no problem telling everybody else what they think they should be doing. Smh.
That’s hounders for you
Butch and his group are extremely scary. They seem like people that resort to violence when their hunting methods are called out. The driving by your house and honking is enough to tell me that they're not afraid to escalate. I know I couldn't handle that level of harassment.. not to mention this mysterious arson attempt.. Gosh Morgan you've really been through it but it just makes me respect you more since you refuse to back down.
As a former 4 year old I can understand their situation and mindset
I just read DOZENS of comments and this one is the ONLY ONE that made me laugh!!
Well said and orginal
Big belly laughs!
Write to your representatives! I am a Vermont resident and have been keeping an eye on this issue since a couple and their dog were attacked for half an hour by a pack of bear hunting hounds in my county in 2019, this is in no way ok and the hostility being shown by these hunters to other Vermonters, (I don't care that you moved here, you live here so you are a Vermonter and your voice matters when discussing Vermont issues) is unacceptable. I am Working on that letter now. If enough people complain they have to address the issue, and don't let their harassments stop you, they know they are in the wrong so their only response is violence.
Morgan published a very easy to send list of emails to various legislators in our state. He even composed the letter. I sent every one in.
He should run to be a local representative, that's another way.
Ya really think Bernie Sanders is gonna do something about it?
@@RobertSchwartzLive Bernies Federal, sounds like this is more of a state level issue. I suppose the US congress could draft a country-wide policy on hound hunting, but they can't even pass a budget.
It might work better if all the people who dislike this practice band together and threaten to run a candidate against said representative. This will get their attention faster than complaining to them or threatening to not vote for them.
I used to work for a group that trains working dogs. One of the biggest things we trained for was recall. It is really important to recall your dog at a moment’s notice. Those people don’t want to control their animals. Clearly, they don’t want to respect private property.
I doubt that Butch and similar hound hunters see the need to train for recall, even if they know what it is. They've never had to worry about it, so why should they have to content with the training or dealing with some 'non-farmer' farmer who just wants to stop them from doing what they've always done. (Un)fortunately, the hound hunters might eventually find themselves dragged into the 21st century, whether they like it or not. Especially if they continue to operate as they always have done - or behave even worse...
@@be6715 There will be no action on the police and the government's part unless there is a lot of money involved. If Butch and his cronies cause significant property damage to Morgan's or his neighbours' property, then and only then will they take action.
There are several things Morgan will need to do; install a gate, install discrete cameras in front of his driveway to screen who comes onto his property, he will need to have positive identification of any and all trespassers on his property for a restraining order, he will also have to file a suit for damage to his property and make sure he asks for restitution in the millions of dollars.
@@be6715 Agreed... These hunters will create their own demise by not respecting the property of others.
So, I'm in Georgia and I'm intrigued to know what the flip side of the laws are that protect Morgan. You can bear hunt with dogs in Georgia during the specific dog bear hunting season and you have to have the appropriate licensure and tags for the bears to do so. It needs to be on public or state property or you need the express consent from private property owners. On the flip side, there are places in Georgia where you're required to own a gun if you're a property owner, dogs are legally considered weapons, and if it's on your private property you are legally able to shoot to kill. Especially a posted farm with "no trespassing" signs, if you are caught hunting on that farm without permission the farmer could not only kill the dogs without penalty on site, but if the hunter is deep enough onto the farmer's land for the farmer to argue that the hunter is an armed individual harming/killing my livestock deep on the private property while trespassing, he'd have grounds to shoot the hunter to. These legal hunting protections with weaponry go both ways in my state, so the farmer can protect their land/livestock but the hunters are also protected if they're abiding by the laws. I know Morgan wouldn't WANT to shoot a dog, but if if this were in Georgia Morgan would have had 100% rights to kill the hunting dogs trespassing on his goose farm on site.
I wish the authorities would step in before this escalates any further. Very sad to see this.
I absolutely agree! Local officials WILL be the next names on the national news if they dont help you deal with this situation.
I'd honestly consider filing a restraining order against this hound hunter. You have enough to show a history of harassment with him and even a temporary order would keep him away from your property while this gets battled out in court.
A restraining order is only as useful as the cops willing to uphold it
Can you explain to me how a piece of paper can stop someone from coming on your property?
@@ricksterallain it won't but the consequences that would be imposed if they'd break them would have them rethink their choices.
@@ExplosiveLandmine I think you vastly overestimate the capacity of criminals to follow the law or think of the future.
Would be enough to get the guy seriously arrested then.
i’ve installed security cameras for 19 yrs. we can put 2 license plate reading cameras at the road. they are ment to capture at night and at high speed vehicles. if they cover up the plates you will have a great shot even at night of the vehicle.. we do direct bury cable to the road and mount the cameras on a 4x4 pole. i’ve got cameras on my mail box facing one way down the road and the other way down the road. use conduit to protect any exposed wires. use a back up camera off the house with a zoomed in lens to cover those road side cameras. that way if the road side cameras are tampered with you will have a great shot of them doing so. We can also install a light right over the cameras to light up the area real good. criminals don’t like bright lights. we can do a motion sensor light that will light up the entire neighbor hood. also a large spot light will make it easier to alert you someone is there. I keep a monitor in my living room thats always on with a wireless mouse that controls the cameras. not a cheap set up but your life is worth it.
if you message me i’ll try to help you out as much as i can with security pointers and advice. I can’t stand bullies and people who try to burn your home down.
This is great - how can I message you?
Where did you get the license plate cameras ? Could use something like that here. Do they work in the dark with headlights on ?
I would like to know the cameras that you are using
I need that on my farm.
@@johntrudeau2233 works at night. I can send u a video
I commend you for standing up for what's right. Butch seems to represent an antiquated way of living based on his hunting style and attitude. It was really interesting that he spoke with maturity mixed with self-righteous indignation about sitting down and talking, then moments later ranted about stripping others of outdoor activities if he didn't get his way. As other commenters have stated, I can't imagine what he'd do if you stepped foot on his property, but he's fine coming on yours with a team of men and hounds. As you say, you gave visibility to a traditional activity, and sometimes tradition must die as society moves forward.
That's criminal. Guy needs to be locked up. Geeez. Stay safe. Sorry for you guys having to go through this. I am honestly shocked about their willingness to completely escalate the situation.
That is attempted murder, attempted arson, and more. Peaceful resolution is not possible anymore sadly. Stay safe, get lawyers, get more cameras, and maybe ask local police to make rounds around your area to protect you and your scared neighbors. Especially if that grouchy old man Butch comes by daily. Good luck and stay safe once again
I’d say “fuck the police; don’t trust em, don’t deal with em” and just jump straight to getting lawyers and more cameras. Document the damages done, both to the farm and to your (Morgan’s) person.
Why “fuck the police?” Because number one, ACAB, and number two, there’s a VERY strong possibility that the officers will be hound hunters themselves, thus they will be less likely to bring charges against whomever tried to burn down your barn. Even if they do, it’s not unlikely that they’d only receive a fine of some kind, even with a successful arson charge.
TL;DR: Don’t bother going to the police with this. Get a lawyer instead.
Stay safe!
I suggest a restraining order to keep him and his off of your property and out of your immediate area.
A friend of my parents got death threats in the mail just for posting her property! Apparently it was some guys’ “special hunting spot”, her property is 18 acres of a stretch of mostly unbroken forest that goes on for thousands and thousands of acres I can’t imagine it was so special it was necessary to send death threats! The entitlement of a lot of old Vermonters absolutely baffles me.
I feel bad so many have lost their land because people buy it where it use to be public for them especially with the costs I can’t help but feel bad I don’t think threats are ok, but I feel terrible so many were born and raised somewhere that others now come in and completely change
@@CharitysClarity
The idea that the old timers and their history have nothing to do with the change in the land is ridiculous though.
They may be closer to the lore of the “original” white settlers who started owning, parceling and controlling land but that was a step on a culture’s cancerous consumption of nature. They might not like how grandpappy’s farm from the 1870s is now a gas station or target parking lot but they lost the actual plot when they gave in to entitlement, racism, patriarchy and violence as bedtime stories.
Instead of doing any work toward envisioning a future for the land they love they would rather scapegoat a duck farmer because his accent is wrong.
@@CharitysClarityShe’s the third generation of her family to grow up in Vermont and in fact grew up just a few minutes down the road from her current property. I’ve known her my whole life and she’s basically as “vermonty” as they come. The reason she posted her property was because at the time she had goats, sheep and much more importantly three young children and didn’t want any random people wandering on her property while they were playing outside.
@@CharitysClarity shoulda bought the land themselves. tough shit.
@@CharitysClarity"So many have lost their land where people buy what used to be public to them."
What even IS that logic? It wasn't THEIR land to begin with if it was legally public property. It's the state's. And in this case it NEVER even was public.
Her family friend's property =/= everyone's property.
Protect yoyrself & document everything. You are not the only state dealing with these issues, & thank you for sharing your experiences & efforts. We can learn from each other.
Might be a good idea to put a fine metal mesh over any open window. We do that here in Australia as part of our bush fire safety building codes to stop sparks and embers getting inside. You could have a downwards facing exit for the cats
It's important to add cameras facing both the entrance and exit roads of your property. Doing so will capture the faces of cars and people when they are up to no good. Additionally, it may be time to consider adding a large front gate to keep people off of your farm. Remember, the most important things to protect are not your possessions, but yourself and those you love.
A good fence makes for great neighbors my husband always says.
I'm sure his properly is bristling with expensive cameras at this point after that last stunt. Hidden and obvious.
Truthfully, I saw this coming a mile away, I'm just surprised Morgan didn't mention it sooner. Obviously, there needs to be some kind of legal intervention at this point to put a stop to it. Men like Butch can never be reasoned with because bullies can't be reasoned with. That I think was Morgan's first mistake.
I once heard someone say that the reason people bully others is because they feel poweless and insecure about themselves. I think that's true. I suspect that these hound hunters feel a sense of powerlessness in their lives which is why I think that deep down they secretly get off of the sense of power and control they feel from going on other people's property with dogs to hunt a defenseless creature that can't fight back against them.
Of course, now that everybody knows what they are doing on the Internet, they are lashing out at Morgan instead of taking accountability for their actions. They think that Morgan took away the one thing they had that made them feel better about themselves, and they don't like it one bit. They don't see themselves as doing anything wrong because bullies don't have any empathy or sympathy for those who they prey upon. Which is why you can't have an honest conversation with people like this because they think they are entitled to keep harming others. It's immature, selfish, and stupid.
Just to prove my point, i think that is the reason why Butch has been going by Morgan's property. He had no reason to be there at all. He's clearly trying to intimidate and harass Morgan, and I hope Morgan documents everything for when he takes Butch to court. Good luck, Morgan, and I hope you stay safe.
I think that if a gang of burly motor bikers visited Mr Butch and had a 'word' with him.. he will think twice about going around acting like an ass.
@@dweamy1 or Mr. Butch would try to join the gang?
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 not if the gang has the morals like Morgan's.
Unfortunately all this goes down to cost.
Morgan could have been better prepared with more cameras, for example along the road to record the license plates, and then the culprit would have been caught. Or not, if they prepared themselves and cover the plates.
Or he could took legal action and interdict to that moron to come closer than 50 miles of his property.
But all this comes down to cost. You cannot afford to have a perfect defense. And bullies knows that. And if you act weak and defensive they will come at you until they die. They will never stop. They will stop only got hit hard enough to go through their thick skull, or when it cost them too much.
I know this, because I had my shares of bullies, one being my own brother. No matter how much you bend the knee, or lower you head, the bully will want more.
Power of example does not work. And we see this all over the place, from individual examples liker my brother, to super powers.
@ehombane If he, at the very least, has a restraining order put into place, it would help to nip a lot of this behavior in the bud because he doesn't live in the same county as Morgan so he would have no choice but to stay away or risk running afoul of the law. I think that Morgan has more than enough video evidence to show that Butch is harassing him. It may not stop the other people, but at least it will keep Butch away.
We live in another state not near VT. We too have a barn and land. We have had to deal with unauthorized hunters coming on our land. One time a goose hunter was about to shoot over my head while I was taking a walk. I think the suggestions to protect your barn as much as possible is a good idea. The cameras you put out seem to catch a lot of the events too. But, making people aware of what is happening in a public way seems to be the way to keep this issue before the public and legislators.
Do you have the legal right to shoot hounds on your property if they are harassing livestock?
Morgan, I don't think that talking will solve your issue in the face of entitled, arrogant, and blinkered people. When I had the shop, I had an intimidation issue with a group of teenagers. I diarised and reported every incident to the police and made myself an orderly but utter nuisance until such time as they put my premises under surveillance and saw what was happening for themselves. The nonsense stopped. I understand that your situation is more difficult and complex, but I hope that you take something from this comment. Regards, Stephen.
I can relate to this - filing reports, making myself a nuisance to police, getting surveillance - and getting results!!!
After announcing to the internet how close they came to burning down your barn, and exactly where they should aim if they want to try again, maybe you should put some wire mesh over that window to prevent anything else from being able to be fired through it. Hope this never happens again and you, your wife and your animals stay safe.
Definitely, plus mesh over any other uncovered windows.
Not to mention about a dozen high resolution security cameras.
I was thinking about that too.
Just call the police and arrest him tbh morgan has the video evidence
Keeep safe!
Oh boy....that wouldn't fly up here in NH. Particularly in my little town. I would say a good 95% of us have our properties posted and 95% of us will enforce those laws. I totally feel your frustration. Sometimes you have to skip politeness and just get straight to charges. I also have absolutely zero respect for hunters that use dogs. ZERO.
We literally bred dogs into existence to help us hunt.
The way these guys do it is terrible but not all dog hunting is like this
@@noah.r.stewart6666 That was when it was necessary. It isn't any longer. Hunting is just a sport now, for all but those who really NEED to put food on the table, literally, or starve. But those situations are very few and far between today. I doubt Butch and his buddies with their big trucks and dogs, really need to hunt that bear, to feed a starving family.
I definitely encourage you to take legal action in whatever way you can. This is getting pretty concerning. Talk to a lawyer and the police to see what you can do about this situation, especially since he is harassing you and someone attempted to catch your barn on fire.
I agree, and being a transplant to VT, enlisting the help of neighbors who may be Vermonters by birth, may go a long way in encouraging law enforcement to listen.
I'm surprised that Butch hasn't been arrested yet! He seems to have a total disregard for your rights and the rights of any other farmers he comes across. The fact that he has multiple videos showing him coming into conflict with people is rather frightening as well considering how many people may not have recorded their encounters.
Poor old Butch can't act up anymore because everyone has cameras now and people will record and post his BS.
yeah, really weird. kind of alot of shit going on in america. right is wrong and wrong is right. legal system is down the toilet.
Because the pigs are on Butches side because they are just like him. They're probably good friends.
He probably has connections, being a proud southern good ol' boy. WTH is he doing in the north?
@@varukasalt I have a low opinion of the police in terms of their organizations due to the prevalence of misconduct and lack of accountability, just for starters, but assuming that individual officers are acting out of malice because assholes like Butch aren't getting arrested isn't a good place to do any thinking from. As Hanlon's Razor says, never assume malice or conspiracy when it can be explained by laziness or incompetence.
But the real problem with your comment I will point out with this question, arrest him on what charges? Whatever the charge you choose, can you offer up enough evidence to obtain a conviction in front of a jury? Unless you can point to the existence of such evidence, making such an arrest would be an act of...police misconduct. Worse, that would let the Butches out there portray themselves as victims of official oppression due to false arrest. Calling for the police to act illegally to help Butch make hay about being targeted is the opposite of helpful.
I'm sick of these hateful tyrants acting as they please with no worries about consequences.
Disgusting behavior
There needs to be consequences. Where are the consequences?
In VT there are no gun regs but you are not allowed to stand your ground. So there's no deterrence in that state. And you end up with these hunters out of control.
@@InTheWind_ that is unreal.
@@mehtarelingolien This. This MF keeps doing whatever he wants bc he has no respect for Morgan, bc Morgan so far has not been a threat of any sort to him. You can see it in the way he talks to him. These sort of people only understand power, unfortunately. If Morgan does not AT LEAST take legal action, he cannot expect any better.
Trespassing on the land of the bear hunters would probably make them furious. Bringing your dogs, and gun toting buddies would probably make them nutso. And I don't think they would take kindly to anyone saying I have the right to follow a bear onto their property with my dogs and my loaded gun. Mmmmm. I think they would find that shoe awfully tight on their foot...Bear hunting in 2023? In Vermont in 2023. Followed by a Confederate flag demonstration on civic building steps singing Dixie...yikes. can only get worst from here....oh and Dixie blaring horns with a terrorizing rockets display aimed at livestock, residence and barns AND humans ...this has gotten way out of hand. Out of bounds. Off the reservation. Off your rocker type of terrorizing and criminal behavior...pretty sick I 'm sorry to say. Landowners really don't have to tolerate direct active and armed threats...to themselves, their livestock or their property...or do they? Shame. Shame.
First I don't live anywhere near Vermont and good luck with your situation.
My daughter is now 36 years old, but when she was small, all the way up until she was in her middle to late teens she could not go in our yard, front or back, or anywhere on our 18 acres by herself. It just wasn't safe! We always had to worry about other people's dogs. Not only did we have to worry about the hunting dogs that where never tought to read no trespassing signs, but we also had to worry about those unwanted dumped dogs and the dogs on neighboring properties on near by road who packed up after there owners left for work each morning then ran the woods. Those packed up dogs attacked the pigs in their pins and ran the goats in their pins till they dropped dead of heart attacks or the dogs just ripped out their throats. The dogs never eat what they killed, they just killed for the joy of the hunt. Make no mistake animals do kill for the joy of the hunt without eating what they kill.
I was told by deer hunters that their dogs couldn't read and I said it was not my fault that they didn't train their dogs better. My child's life and the lives of my animals on my family land out trumps the lives of your dogs.
Did I forget tell you about all the lovely flower beds we have on our land? It's amazing just how rich red sand and clay can be.
Yikes. We hope you stay safe. My kids and I just found your channel and love the farm. I am sorry you and others are dealing with this. I didn’t realize people actually hunted this way. CRUEL and beyond belief. You are unfortunately dealing with some significant arrogance with a high dose of ignorance with these people. We will be following your journey with support to you, your wife, your community and the animals on your farm. Michele
Morgan, to be honest, I think this is going to escalate until these people manage to hurt you/your wife or cause dramatic damage to your property. People like this do not back off until they are forced to through sheer will, and you've managed to kick a wasps nest. I believe you to have a valid argument, but, frankly, you had no idea what you were walking into. Situations like this require you to think like them. NOT stoop to their level, just understand what's coming. To that degree, my husband had a brilliant idea that can at least frustrate them enough to leave your property alone. Along with the required postings, or with a larger spread, put up alarm systems (that they cannot get to/find, high up, etc.). When you get a notification that there is something on the property, set off the alarm. That will alert the animals and completely ruin their hunt. Ruin it enough times, they may not hunt your property anymore. It would also alert your neighbors to be aware there are people on their properties and help them out as well. Additionally, I agree with other posters, with all of the documentation you've done, there is a case for a protection order against Butch himself. And, I would make sure to tighten up the barn so another flare doesn't hit it's mark along with moving hay bales and such so they don't have any other large targets. While you don't think this is how society should function, it's how it is at the moment. Please, for the sake of everyone that cares about you, treat this as a tactical situation to protect your farm and family.
I agree. The loud sound makers sounds like a good idea and honestly Morgan needs to get a restraining order or something legally making it where butch can't be near him or his property.
Very well said chattygreenwig. Butch has shown himself to be nothing but unreasonable, confrontational and argumentative. A restraining order is a good first step. Noise makers in the woods is indeed a brilliant idea. That Morgan has to arrange his life around these derelicts is truly unfortunate.
While well intention-ed, I'm sure the worst part of all of this is the anxiety, wondering if they will act on 'it'
Helpful ideas are great, but I doubt he needs to worry more... 😰
Mr Butch is a dangerous individual proceed with caution.
This is excellent advice.
Man, These guys are so lucky they're dealing with someone as restrained as you are.
Indeed. I know many people where fights or worse would have come out with this behavior.
@@JohnDoe-oo9nnThey should be if he ever changed his mind.
Barking dogs on your property is a bad thing. Not only does it cause stress on you farm animals but can cause other wild life to scatter onto your place and cause even more hardship.
My husband and I had terrible neighbors that threatened our family, our kids!! They would harass us and just constant. It was a nightmare! We have never had trouble with neighbors before or since, so we just couldn't hardly understand. Did we do something? We were nice to them and they just hated us and we have no idea why. They told horrible lies about us, they were just mean and cruel. The police were involved, but couldn't do anything since we hadn't gotten hurt. Things were happening to our property and their son was looking in our daughter's window, but they didn't get caught. Anyway, they finally moved. But I feel your pain! I just don't understand people who are not happy unless they are making other people miserable. I am so sorry you are going through this.!
Vermont needs to adopt purple paint laws. Their current scheme is completely anti-land owner.
That wouldn't change the hounder's attitude b/c as Butch said, "dogs cant read posting signs" so of course the hounder's feel free to walk onto any property, posted or not, on the pretext of retrieving their dogs.
@@rebeccatrono3376 purple paint would simple mean “if you see purple paint, don’t cross without permission” the current scheme of yearly registration and refreshing is hostile to land owners.
What they NEED to adopt are consequences for trespassing. According to the list that Morgan shared at some point in the video, #4 seems to state that there are none.
@@mehtarelingolien can’t punish what isn’t illegal. The law as written is heavily presumptive in favor of the hound hunter and the burden is on the landowner to overcome that hurdle. That makes punishment functionally an apology without an enforceable promise to try and not do it again. Again being later that same day. Because of that it isn’t worth it to authorities to even try to protect landowners.
Unfortunately, if you look at who makes those laws, it being 'anti-land owner' is by design.
Butch is incredibly disturb human being, and to say we are enemies says a lot about a person. Be careful and I know majority is with you on this. No one wants to fight, but you have to fight for your rights. 🎉
I think they should move. Over to NH at that!
@@InTheWind_ Who should move? Butch?
Very!!! Vermont really needs to give Wanna be Santa a huge reality check!! Seems the bears ain't the problem.
You have to fight for your rights. Ironically, that is exactly what Butch has probably said to hisfriends and family a million times.. lol
@@winterprism9227 Obviously lol, but he’s doing it all wrong.
It seems like they're freaking out because someone isn't backing down from their intimidation tactics. They know a lot of these farmers don't like what they're doing. If one stands up for their land rights then others might do that same. I'm willing to bet they'd be severely out numbered by landowners. Seems like they're trying to provoke an violent reaction from Morgan so they don't look like the bad guys for bullying him but he's just not that kind of guy.
I applaud you for doing things the aggravating right way by trying to change the laws. I can’t believe they tried to burn down your property. How truly scary that must have been. Unfortunately you are dealing with an entitled unhinged person. You have to watch out for those people. You have to ask yourself is the fight really worth it. I get extremely upset if anybody trespasses on my farm here in Indiana so I know exactly where you are coming from. Those dogs are not well trained and would have no problem taking out your poultry or livestock. People have no respect for others these days. Sending out prayers for your farm and you and your wife’s safety ❤
I cannot believe that it is legal to allow dogs and people free range across anyone’s property for hound hunting. Vermont should change those laws immediately. It makes no sense whatsoever.
He mentioned that you also have to post your land in order to prevent it, yearly, 😊I think. So he does everything he is supposed to, and they still come back
The VT Department of Fish and Wildlife is run by hunters, fishers and trappers, its a case of the the regulated regulating themselves. And they want to go where ever they please, when ever they please, to do what ever they please.
Yeah it’s because hunters have power over constitutional rights in some states
As soon as I heard that horn, I knew EXACTLY what kind of people you're dealing with; ones who regularly use intimidation tactics and violence to maintain their power and influence over anyone they've perceive as "less than" or actively challenged their bigoted ways of thinking.
When they honk Dixie, maybe Morgan should honk Yankee Doodle?
They really do feed the stereotype, don't they. And REALLY feed the stereotype of an uneducated southern redneck when they start up with "Dixie". In VERMONT.
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Yes and follow it with Thunder by AC/DC
Lmao old gees Vermont rednecks that’s what they are…. Small d with big trucks
did you just say " bigoted ways of thinking" in the same sentence where you used prejudice against these people because of a horn? thats irony at its finest..... you are 100% on the same level of the people you just tried to call out. thats pathetic man... you do see that right?
It blows me away the law allows people like this to come into your property with guns to kill your wildlife. Then they try to burn your barn down? Where are the cops?!
They're busy pulling over old ladies on dark , completely unoccupied country roads, to give them tickets for ,allegedly, driving through a stop sign, at 2:00 in the morning, as they drive home to NY after visiting a son who had been in a car accident. I guess that VT needed the $107.00 more then they need to actually do real police work. Sorry for that little rant. 😒
My God, this is like out of a movie script. Tale as old as time. A local entitled individual can’t handle change in any capacity. Luckily there are laws for such behavior. I hope you use it to the fullest extent. I’m sorry you’re going through this. Hopefully, this mess ends here. Stay safe!
I'm not going to lie, while I admire your courage in fighting for the rights of a property owner, this whole thing makes me very anxious. I worry for you and your property, as well as for your animals. These people are not open-minded or willing to compromise. Be careful, Morgan, please.
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I completely agree. This could end in serious violence
Facts
As a concerned VT resident, I'll definitely be sharing this with my VT legislators and VT Gov Phil Scott and Head of VT Fish and Game.
You should be concerned and start using your vote to express it. Head of Fish and Game has been ignoring Morgan for years. This isn't new news to them. Did the same thing as Butch, promised him a meeting then ghosted.
Thank you for sharing!! I have the same issue in Minnesota.
You are a kind and genuine family man. We support you.
I own a farm in Virginia where our laws are a little more strict then Vermont's. However, we have run ins with bear hunters every year. Every bear season, we have to go into lock down with our free range animals becuase we have had hunting dogs chase after our livestock. Another thing not mentioned in your videos are that these hunters run those poor bears miles and miles across mountains, valleys, forests and fields just to be bitten everytime it has to slow down due to exhaustion. This is not even close to be humane in anyway at all. In fact I would ho as far as call it a sever animal cruelty. I'm a hunter, I am also very supportive of our rights, trespassing on others land is not a right, it is a violation of other's right of personal property.
It sounds like you’re not from but moved to Virginia? Morgan should’ve locked his animals up too. He purchased land in a cheaper state. The laws did not change after he moved there. Maybe he should’ve ran some numbers on what a better fence would cost.
@@billylove7008 so it's our responsibility to protect their dogs from accidently choking to death on one of our animals? How about they keep their dogs of other people's property?
@@yellotang if you move to an area that has always allowed dog hunting why should the community you move to change for you? You can pony up the extra money for better fencing, move to an area that doesn’t allow dog hunting, or accept sometimes your animals may be eaten. I don’t understand why some people think they are so special that an entire area should change their culture for them.
@@billylove7008 Because I bought and paid for the land, they didnt. I dont really care if their family has been hunting on my land for a million years. They dont own it. They dont pay taxes on it. They dont rent it. I have posted no trespassing signs all over my property. The law states They are not allowed to come onto my land unless I give them permission to. The law also says that if a dog is on my land and gives chase or damages my livestock, I have every right to shoot that dog and demand restitution. That is Virginia Law. Just because some bear hunters who, btw quite a few are from out of state, run their dogs onto my property because they want to doesnt give them the right to do so. Period. I have the law on my side and I am not an a$$hole who wants to kill dogs just because their owners are inconsiderate self-centered jerks.
@@yellotang if you aren’t inconsiderate why did you buy and pay for land in an area that allows dog hunting? There are plenty of places that don’t. Dogs can’t read no trespassing signs but people can read the laws that an area has before they move there. I do think if the dog kills your animals you should be able to get payment. I also don’t think the hunters should be able to come into your property to release dogs and have hunters on your land without your permission. If they are on a neighboring property that they have rights to hunt and the dogs come onto your property though people can’t act surprised when they moved to an area that allows that and has been a way of life for a long time. I’m not saying hunters should be able to use your land as their own but I am saying that if you buy in an area where dog hunting is allowed then don’t be surprised when people want to come get their dogs. Morgan seems to have a colonizer mentality. He moved somewhere most likely due to lower prices. Now he wants to have the laws changed because he doesn’t agree with the culture that has been in the area for a long time. I’m sure he isn’t the only person that owns property in the area that doesn’t hunt with dogs and has dogs come into his property. For whatever reason the locals that own land and don’t dog hunt haven’t tried to get dog hunting banned. This is why people from small towns don’t like people from out of town moving in. It’s not that they don’t like them for coming from somewhere else. It’s because many times they will try to change the communities culture and way of life that has existed long before they decided to move to the community. It would have probably been in his interest to try to talk to the hunting club in his area and ask them to let him know before they hunt in that area so he could put his animals up. Hunting season is only a limited time and most of the time hunters are out on the weekend. Not always but most of the time people will work with you if you work with them. There is always a bad apple in every group though. If people absolutely do not want dogs coming in their property they could always pay for nicer fencing. That would cost a lot of money but then there would be no reason for dogs to be on your property.
As a protective measure for your barn, maybe you can cover the window openings with something to keep things being thrown into the barn. That video of the fire incident was scary.
Hardware cloth. I have it on all my barn windows.
If you don't need air going through the window, you can use acrylic sheeting. Optix is a brand that is sold at Home Depot. It is clear like glass or plexi, but it won't shatter.
I think you need cameras that are not on wifi or Bluetooth in parallel with the cameras you have now. It’s not hard to jam signals. But there is a place for old school DVR
if the window is an access point for the cats and/or escape point, you can create a magnetic cat door type cover to prevent most things from entering the barn through the window and still allow the cats access it should work even with semi-flexible materials that would allow air flow.
Good idea, Judy.
We have a saying in Texas, "Good fences make good Neighbors". And we have them EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately for Vermont, Gold Shaw Farm needs to fence in the entire property. I noticed when they all went to chase the black bear down, there where no fences to be crossed. By Vermont law, the hunters can go get their dogs, but they cannot damage any property while hunting.
We put up a fence and a iron gate with electric opener. We live in the country and were broken into in the past. This worked for us.
Oh Morgan i'm so sorry for the harassments that your going through. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that this is okay at even a micro level is a disgusting person. The escalation and the sheer insanity that these people feel this is justified makes me scared. Your a really well spoken individual i've been watching the farm grow for a long time and feel awful you have to deal with this. I have a little corgi puppy that at 4 months while walking on a leash was suddenly grabbed by a random German short haired pointer. I had not seen the dog coming, the owner had to beat his dog off my puppy. He needed stichs along his throat. The owner was the most uncaring person on the planet saying his dog must have mistaked mine for a fox. I swear these disgusting people are absolute hypocrits. Screaming about how their rights are above everyone elses. The right to hunt = the right to trespass? I saddly don't think people this caught up in their obesssions can be reasoned with. You don't deserve any of this and we are sending you all the love.
I sincerely hope that you got that owner to pay for medical bills, and reported him to the police. I have a 3-month old puppy myself, and while he's one of the bigger dogs, I did own tiny breeds most my life. I can't even imagine another dog attacking one of mine. I hope that you and the pup are both okay.
the old man was not being harassed... he was asked a question. The family is clearly highly 'regarded' and exploiting to pay their bills also...
Right, and it was his choice to spend several minutes telling Morgan he was not talking to him.@@dertythegrower
At the end of the day it's ultimately up to the hunter, hound or otherwise, to ensure they're not trespassing on property that forbids any sort of hunting. The fact that they keep showing up is clear indication that they're trying to antagonize and intimidate you, and just based on the video of him being so confrontational when you drove up should be enough to get some sort of legal ball rolling. He's been informed several times he cannot be on your land hunting, your property is posted, it's time to consider the legal angle.
THIS. Restraining order time for sure. Anytime Morgan interacts with this man he needs a cop on stand by for his safety, and to have every interaction recorded.
@@ashleycook300 Unfortunately Morgan has told us that the proper authorities ignore his calls, no one in the vermont fish and wildlife chain of command will do anything.
@@ashleycook300DEFINITELY RESTRAINING ORDER!
@@physophy1277 At this point time to escalate to the media. Especially after this attempted arson. I'd be calling NBC, Fox, CBS and all the national news organizations to put pressure on law enforcement at this point. I'm sure they'd LOVE to hear about this and how the authorities aren't doing shit now that arson is involved.
@@CeruleanRogue Fantastic idea. Whistleblowing on Vermont Fish and Wildlife could make some really big moves. Plus Morgan has enough of a following to push his message that a real difference could be made
Getting a drone you can deploy from the house quickly is a good idea to have available. As it can fly to the corners of your property if you suspect an intrusion.
Morgan, you need to hire a PI(private investigator), if you can afford one that is, the police are held to a much higher standard of legality when it comes to the rights of criminals or suspects than PI's are, because PI's legally aren't law enforcement, they can't be held accountable for failing to notify people of their being a suspect in an ongoing investigation, which means they can do their jobs and even catch the kind of animals that do what was done to your barn- and attempted on your own home, in the act, or with proof of the act. I would absolutely be surprised if Butch didn't have a VERY instrumental role of some kind in this attack on your home, property, livestock and then on your life, if i'm right, and you do this, and it turns out It's butch that did this or helped orchestrate it, then submitting evidence and proof, alongside your testimony in a courtroom, will have to be enough to put him or whoever else did this, in a federal prison.
Yeah - it may be a good idea to have an investigator in place to follow the pickups driving by and honking their horns especially if they tend to do it around the same time - the investigator could get their license plates and track down who owns the vehicles Some intimidation tactics rely on you not knowing whose all involved
It would be be brilliant if they end up in a local diner, having coffee and talking about their brave exploits of driving but a farm house and honking their horns, and maybe plotting their next step ?
Using an investigator for a few weeks might help get charges pressed against them or get a restraining order in place
That firework business was scary
You’re a better person than me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, someone lets a pack of dogs aggressively run loose on my land… they aren’t getting them back alive. If i had land/farm animals to protect no unwanted dog would run loose putting my stock in danger. If i post no trespassing, don’t trespass unless you wanna reap the repercussions.
Guys like Butch are only interested in doing what they want, when they want, and tell everyone else to f-off if they try to tell them they can’t just do what they want where they want. And go figure a guy like that has a horn with that song…
Same
Do you not see the irony in your statement? They aren’t allowed to release dogs on your property just retrieve them. If that is too big of a deal for someone they should not buy property and start a farm where dog hunting is allowed. You can always spend extra money to put in better fences to keep dogs out. However morgan didn’t do that. He moved to an area most likely for cheaper land prices that has always allowed dog hunting. He did not spend the extra money for fences that would keep hunting dogs out and now he is trying to get something banned that has been part of the local community for a long time.
@@billylove7008 so you think it is ok for a handful of hobby hunters to trespass and harass land/property owners because farmers don't have every inch of their land fenced, trying to allow wild animals access to lands for them to live on...
if you watch other videos on this subject, one he's adressed the problems with fencing the entire property boundries, plus the hunters are allowed to release their dogs where ever they like - ie they don't drop them off ON his property, but in the middle of the road in front of his / his neighbor's property, and can be 2+ miles away using gps tracking to follow their dogs thru other people's properties - claiming they follow the law of "being in controls of the dogs" via a gps signal instead of physically in controls of them.
if the property owner tries to stop them from hunting on their land the land owner can be fined for it. Essentially the hunters HAVE been given a green light to legally trespass and hunt on land even if it is posted no trespassing/hunting. Neither Bruce/the people he brings with him or the raccoon hunters that were on his land (basically right at his house) are from the area, they go out of their way to go to properties that aren't their own or even in the city they live in, release their dogs and do whatever they want. In almost any other state all you have to do is post no trespassing and you can legally go after the hunters for trespassing (ie run them off, run off their dogs or take them to court if they keep coming back), where they are if he tried he'd be the one in trouble, as in if gets in the way and stops the hunters/dogs in any way - much as the lady who pepper sprayed the ones on her property. Bruce and his buddies intentially continue to go to Morgan's property and the neighboring properties - after being told to stay out many times. And you really think that even if it was cost effective, that Bruce and his asshat buddies wanted to hunt fenced lands they wuldn't just rip them down if their dogs tracked an animal to the fence, they would.
Not to mention, there are a lot more people calling to end the free running dog hunting, than there are that are doing it/want it. But hunters will make the most noise and band together to keep their little hobby going. They aren't calling for the end of hunting, just being allowed to release free running dogs to go whereever the hell they want... would you defend it if they happen to run thru someoen's property and cause the injury to a child??? because their front yard wasn't fenced.... because they had an open driveway the dogs ran up.... property OWNER'S should have more rights than trespassers.
@@kdtfiles1 tldr
@@billylove7008I mean do you not see the irony in your statement aswell?
In my state, trespassing while hunting you will lose your hunting license. Push for harder property rights. I moved back to the farm about 12 years ago and found others had atv trails on the land to go hunting. I looked up the laws and saw you can't cross a field in production, but everything else had to be fenced or posted. So, I fenced and posted a 40-acre plot of woodland facing out to the public side. My main purpose was so I and my son could hunt and not be worried about being shot. Many times, I have had to repost ripped down sings and fix cut wires. I went out this year and about 150 feet of barbed wire and 4 fence posts were missing, and two others broken off from when they cleaned a path on the other side. I went back out hand pulling a sled with posts and wire, so I took the cleaned-out path on the other side. A few days later someone called and asked if I walked on their side and I told them yes, they told me to never step on their land again. I asked if My walking down their trail cost them any money and he said no. I told him that they cost me money by destroying my fence and he denied it but then said Well maybe a tree took them out when they were making the trail. They then told me not to cross on their land and told them to follow the law and post or fence the land like I had too. Funny part is they had a deer hunting camp set up and after I repaired my fence someone pulled their camper out and two vehicles left. They were planning unfettered access to my land without asking for permission, all they had to do was ask. The last sob story he tried on me was I grew up hunting out there all the time.
Where I'm from trespassing with a firearm is a felony I believe it is called trespassing with deadly weapon.
Then you've got the people who don't even know where their property lines are. My late husband was posting "No Trespassing" signs across the back of our neighbors place, as our property is in a L shape., and it runs along their back yard. The guy came our huffing and puffing, demanding to know what my husband was doing on 'his' property! The guy said he owned all the way back into the woods, which most of our property is, wooded, that is. Of course my husband quickly and in no uncertain words, informed him it was not his property, but ours. And he didn't want them or their kids playing back there and getting injured or worse. He also told him to check his deed and property lines for himself. We heard no more from him after that. In NY, private property means 'private'! We have a diverse wildlife population that crosses our 5 acres regularly, coyotes, fox, porcupines, skunks, squirrels, deer, turkeys, and who knows what else. I love them all, and want them left alone. They don't bother me, I don't bother them.
Bottom line, your property Your Land your castle, these idiots should not be trespassing, and that's coming from a farmer an Hunter myself in southern Indiana
Just watched your video. All i can say is keep up the good "fight" talk to authorities, legislature (I'm sure you already are), and keep the "pressure" going. Maybe you can get a line-of-sight law or a lead law passed. From one creator to another stay safe and keep up the good work.
Seem to me the quickest solution to the Butch problem is to just file a restraining order against him. No police involvement is required, you just need a lawyer (which I assume you already have) to draft the filing and a court date. You already have enough video evidence to make your case. An alternative albeit much slower solution is to get your neighbors together and file a class action lawsuit against the Country, F&W Dept., and the Governor. Good Luck.
yes this needs to be done immediately
Class action seems like a good idea considering they're trespassing on the neighbors property as well. If the whole neighborhood wants you gone you either escalate and land your butt in jail or finally just bugger off.
If Butch is from another county, and you file a restraining order against him, he'll have no business being anywhere near your property again.
Butch needs to get a non violent hobby.
The other issue is where the hunt starts from, it has to start from a legal location. I assume there is some state or federal land nearby? You can't start your hunt on someone else's private property without permission.
"It's a public road, right?"
"Not if you are harassing me!"
Um, no, it's still a public road. Who died and made Buck king of Vermont???
Last I checked our laws; Morgan is 100% righteous in having concerns about his property.
If it is a public road, all states permit you to film things easily seen from the road way (ie in clear line of sight from a person). So, Morgan was well within his rights to film. And it wouldn't count as harassment as 1) Morgan lives there and 2) Morgan had a legitimate reason to approach him. Entitled people feel harassed when other people exercise their rights.
The morality of hound hunting is for me personally besides the point, if we ban hound hunting, then we need to ban all sorts of other forms of hunting as well. The real issue is land rights and whether it's okay to threaten other people's livelihood by hound hunting near their animals.
The attempted attacks on your property meanwhile are straight up criminal, and the culture that motivated that sort of behavior is a disgrace.
3:22 I love the connecting drone shot from 2 years ago
I live in Indiana and own a farm. I also own a hunting camp in upper Michigan. That being said, the laws are so different here. In Indiana, a hunter can only enter private land to retrieve their dog. If the animals have harassed or injured any farm animals, the owner can elect to have them killed. So most hunters ask for permission first and call the day of a hunt. We all work together.
In upper Michigan things get even tougher for trespassers. If it's not your land, don't set foot on it. In a area whare kids have guns in there bus stops for bears and have been going through gun safety sense they were four, you don't trespass. Lol
With all the hunters there in Vermont, I am surprised that the laws are so antiquated.
Literally I live in Indiana. It's absolutely ridiculous that Vermont decides these inbreds desire to harass wildlife outweighs land owners rights
This would never happen here in michigan.
I know this isn't what you meant, but I read that as if a hunter's dog harasses or injures a farm animal, the farm owner can elect to have the HUNTER unalived. I was like "well, THAT would indeed solve the problem!" I'm not sure who get unalived still, but pretty sure Indiana isn't out there summarily unaliving hunters...... Or maybe.....
@@TheBaconKing32 I am born and raised a yooper with 15 years in the DNR. No one would dare do this in Michigan. Lol
@@NancyD2 Like your reply, it made me giggle. Thanks! Needed that after reading all the sadness and ridiculousness here, and what's going on with Morgan and his farm.
First, I have to say that I believe that the attempt to burn down the barn could be labeled as ATTEMPTED MURDER. If it caught fire, it would have gone over to the house while you were asleep and killed you all.
This reminds me a lot of the coyote hound hunters here in Oklahoma. We've had a lot of problems with those hunters letting loose their dogs on coyotes in properties with cows in them; then having to go after the dogs and cutting the fences, which then lets cows out and when they drive into fields. I am a hunter, however the use of dogs to tear apart a creature even such as a coyote, is horrible. I understand that controlling populations is a thing that we now have to do to try and keep the ecosystem intact after we messed it all up, but that doesn't negate the fact that you're letting loose dogs you have no control of to chase down a creature that isn't even on property you own.
Barns too far away for that to happen, attempted arson for sure tho
@@dakotareid1566 When they purchased the farm, the barn was ATTACHED to the house! SO, it is indeed close enough to light the house!
@dakotareid1566 No, it is extremely close to the house. Sparks fly further than you think and so does burning hay on even a slight breeze.
Where in Oklahoma is this happening?
@ellisfamilyfarms8961 South Western Oklahoma. It's not talked about much if at all, but I know some ranchers that have problems with them. When out driving around to see if I can find coyotes to take photos of, I've caught multiple hunters with dogs loose or in their crates and slowing along cow fields that are known for having coyote dens nearby.
That was upsetting to see. I'm so sorry. People need to realize what anti-American behavior that is to attempt to destroy someone's hard earned property that they purchased 100% legally and completely. It's anti-social to attempt to harm property. It's not angelic, it's just wrong and criminal.
Good Afternoon, I don't know the laws in Vermont but you can explore the option of Boerboels' usage on your property. It goes down a grey area but for the protect of your property, livestock and love ones it may be a viable remedy (short-medium term)
Butch does not seem like the kind of guy to ever back down and leave you alone. I fear this will only get worse until someone or an animal on your property is injured, I am so sorry this is happening to your farm!
He sure doesn’t… a blustery mad angry man filled with entitlement. He does however look like an unhealthy old guy… Mother Nature will take care of him eventually if not soon. He kooks like a heart attack waiting to happen. Sometimes in situations like this you just have to hold onto the fact…time is on your side. Just saying.
@@Iluvchknz I get the feeling his family will happily continue the harassment and violence until they're forced to stop by the law.
@@SadisticSenpai61I don't think the law will stop him from doing what he's doing.
@@BrilloHead The thing about not following the law is that eventually there are consequences. It's just a matter of time until they get caught and can't get out of it.
@@SadisticSenpai61 If you mean jail time, then sure. But anything short of that, it's not going to stop a determined guy from doing what he did before. Even a restraining order is not going to stop him if he is very determined to get something done.
Geez these people make me angry. The level of stupidity on their part is beyond belief. At this point i would get lawyers involved and file formal complaint.
I’m sorry you have to deal with this. Private properties, is private property. You get to say who comes and goes on your property. No one else.
This is just crazy...🤯 so sorry you and your neighbors have to live through that. 😔 Hopefully there might be some change to the positive...
I really thought they had calmed down with their harassment these past couple of years... That is just awful, I do not understand how anyone feels so entitled to do anything they want on someone else's property. I hope every person harassing others will face consequences and that the laws change over there.
It’s always been the dang law I learned about this decades ago and new people don’t like it or want it but come on ? Going after people that are legally allowed I can’t get behind we can all move an farm where we want
@@CharitysClarityConsidering the years and labor Morgan has put into Goldshaw farm, with all due respect... Shut. Up.
His neighbors have also had complaints and disprove that it's only a transplant like Morgan who hates these laws.
He's been there for several years, worked his butt off for Goldshaw and LITERALLY sowed tree seeds into the land. He ain't farming anywhere else and is entitled to stay after all his hardwork and stewardship of his land. He is entitled to want Vermont legal changes in order to protect all that.
@@CharitysClarity Trespassing is trespassing, stay on your own land or get permission to be on another person's land, other wise the cops can be called and you can be met with more that yells.
@@CharitysClarity By that logic we shouldn't pursue any changes in any field because "that's just how it has been". Moreover, if you had even followed along, you would know that the hunters aren't legally allowed to be on Morgan's lands. He has posted the land and informed the authorities of that so they have no business on his lands.
Its not just your property this is happening to, these guys are going after anyone with land it seems. The fact that local law enforcement can't or won't do anything to fix this is appallingly. The governor seems complicit as well so if anything they should be getting the phone calls. Butch is a product of that environment.
The FBI needs to be involved. Involving the governor and bringing this incident to his attention should happen as well.
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the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Morgan,
Don't let this go, as people like this often escalate.
If they break the law, press charges or it only gets worse.
Be safe.
@@CarolReidCAfbi won’t do anything
@@dakotareid1566hate crime
@@CarolReidCA needs more attention on national news stations
The Law is allowing thos yo continue. They're probably buddies with them. Agreeded, get the Fbi involved
Ughh...Totally F-ed up. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Crazy is like diamonds.... forever!
Damn- Morgan, I say this as a homestead owner, myself (who is blessed to have neighbors who are super respectful of our property boundaries)- I would highly recommend putting up an electrified perimeter fence. I know it's expensive to install & maintain- but these lunatics clearly don't have regard for the rights & safety of others. Your, Alyson's & your animals' safety is paramount, here. You have every right to operate your own farm on your own land, however you see fit- free from this type of harassment & assault. The type of people who feel completely justified in cornering & killing a helpless bear on someone ELSE'S property, clearly don't have a lot of respect for life, be it animal or human. Feel free to speak out about these dangerous practices, but by all means, protect your family & property as much as possible.
I love that one of the criticisms I hear often about you voicing your opinion is that you aren't a native Vermonter... But then one of the people regularly harassing you honks their horn that plays "Dixieland." I say this as an Alabamian, fwiw.
I would think if Butch dislikes you so much and wants nothing to do with you(or so he says), he would take more care to keep the dogs away from Peacham to reduce the chance of interaction with you. But it just goes to show how little control of their dogs they have, and/or that he is trying to pick a fight with you. Stay safe Morgan.
little control in one area spills over to little control in other areas (emotional)
That was my thought too; he KNOWS being near that farm is going to look bad. But then I'm thinking this Butch guy is looking for an excuse.
I really appreciate that you respect their point of view and take responsibility for anything you may have done, in their eyes, to increase the tension on the conversation or for making the issue visible to people that have then gone and done things wrong. From the video, as a person without a dog in this fight, their actions are completely unreasonable. My recommendation is finding hound hunters that are doing this in an acceptable manner and putting a positive spin on this with showing how good hound hunters are going about this.
That could have endangered you, your family, your entire property and lively hood, they (butch and associates) should be facing massive charges in court
Since local law enforcement is so weak there, it's time to turn to state and federal enforcement. Reach out to your elected officials in Washington. This is not a small problem and not yours alone to fight. That flare incident changed the direction of this forever. This is not about hunting anymore.
This Butch man needs to go to a jail cell. This man is clearly harassing you and transpassing on your property’s land. He clearly doesn’t want to stopped his actions and anything he does do, he will simply deny it.
He's a vengeful, sad, unhappy man, full of hate, with a gang of haters following him
Morgan, I hope you put up some plexiglass over that window now that you've given them the idea!!
Please be safe!! Great video!
Hey Goldshaws! I'm so sorry you went through that scary event alone. I'm glad y'all are safe and no one was hurt. I've been in really scary situations that are similar. (I've had bullets put into the side of our house with no resolution from local pd). One thing I would try to recommend is some well hidden trail cams and distance motion detectors. Some that work and some that don't. Put the non workable ones in plain sight and hide the working ones really well. I would also print out a picture of the property and mark any potential blindspots. Put cameras there and all around. The hunters may have set you up a few years ago... I'd reccomend setting up something with fish and game and try to have the discussion again. Maybe a few town leaders. I would reccomend recording that event so if it gets out of hand you are protected. Please keep us updated and prayers for you from here.
The day you saved that bear was the day I subscribed and started supporting you and the channel. That was so big and wonderful of you.
Edited to add. I laughed out loud when he described Tobydog as a trained killer
Yeah until that bear comes back and tangles with his livestock guardian dog. SMH. When you don’t know the situation… as in, the local bear (or deer) population and the devastation overpopulation with disease and starvation can cause those wild animals, it’s kind of silly to support save the bear. I was very glad tho, that he didn’t kill it. And did you notice how those dogs settled down immediately when they were called off?
@@jeb3415It wasn't a bear, though, who came back and laid fire to the house.
@@jeb3415 Morgan has spotted bears on his farm several times. Guess what those bears never did...
Bears are pretty good at managing their own population size. Deer on the other hand? They will happily reproduce until they cause the local ecosystem to collapse. But this entire discussion isn't about deer hunting.
@@jeb3415 Also, problem is, you can't call dogs off, when they are a mile ahead of you. Those hound hunters might as well consider to go geo cashing for a hobby, as much as their method has to do with actual hunting.
Omg. I forgot about that. Sweet ‘ol Toby dog. Reminds me of the movie What We Do In The Shadows when the police blame the sweetest dog ever for a werewolf attack. Lmao
As a free range poultry farmer, I couldn’t even imagine this!! People have let their dogs on my property but came over immediately when notified and retrieved their dog. They were very friendly to me however and it never happend again. These people near you need to buy their own farms and hunt on their own properties. The entitlement those men have is unreal.
I would recommend blocking the window off, and put a sprinkler system in there
Honestly your situation is terrifying and I 🙏 for a peaceful resolution ❤️
Thank God you’re out there fighting for property rights. I know you’ve taken your flak for standing up to this and I hope you both stay safe. All my love.
How about 2A?
The “property rights” argument is just a proxy to impose his views about animal cruelty on local hound hunters…which is the real reason he wants the laws changed.
He’s out there fighting to keep his channel/content clicks up. This whole righteous battle against the evil hound hunters arch conveniently serves to maintain his viewership.
What disgusting people to think they have the right to do things on other peoples property. Wouldn’t be surprised if that awful old man was the one who tried to burn down the barn. He needs to be investigated by the police.
problem is that under Vermont law they indeed DO have the right to do things on other peoples' property.
It's unlikely the Grand Wizard would get his own hands dirty.
This is a law if people want it changed change it fighting with other people over the law is pathetic
@@jwentingthat’s why I think it’s bs this is a law and people don’t like it but yet they bought land there knowing the laws an knowing many live there for hound hunting… I mean seriously where’s common sense ? You don’t “farm” or stay places you don’t want the laws then go elsewhere or have the laws changed
@@jwenting And that's why the hostility. They don't want people to organize and change that.
Recommend setting up window screens or glass coverings for those windows, as now that you have spoken about it, and how no one has been caught, you might need to preventative methods in the future.
Society is another story but as a hunter I always ask the owner knock on their door for permission to enter their property if I’m tracking a deer. They’re not home I leave. However if someone’s animals are on my property threatening my livestock and causing a problem I give a warning and if it persists I take care of it my way. May make a neighbor angry but it resolves the problem. You have to protect your livestock at all costs.
The bravery to post this video tells me you have it in you to save any mommy cow that needs a calf pulling, Morgan. You can do this. You are the Daryl Davis for Vermont farmers. You've already won a vote from me if you want to change things nationally. Thank you for caring about the wellbeing of others.
I did a video about deflection and anger this morning. My neighbor is blaming me for his second dog's death on the road because they cross the road to chase and kill my chickens. Butch and his cronies are dangerous and causing calm people to lash out. I totally understand.
Retired HS teacher. Your video about deflection and anger. I want to learn. Can you add a link to that?
@@user-sx2wt9qq7u Clink on her channel name above. should take you straight to her page
In my country any hunting activity that crosses a private property is not allowed. The hunter can only go if needed to take his dogs. Also dogs need to be recall trained and have collers for recall. They are supposed to abandon the hunt the moment the collar is activated(I think it makes a sound) and try to find their owner. The owner can go and follow them cause sometimes they don't know how to go back and even if they have treed an animal (usually a weasel) he is not permitted from shooting on the property. Also any damage a dog makes be it livestock or just noise issues during the night is fined. If a dog doesn't recall the hunter is fined and if those fines add up he loses his license for the year and has to reapply for it. Dogs also need to be registered as a hunting dog and can and will be taken from the hunter if they cause significant damage expecially to livestock.
Now our dogs don't hunt bears or lynx so usually the only animals they can tree are weasels but those are the precautions taken for boar,fo and deer hunting using sight hounds. Land owners need to put signs on land borders or mark trees in a special paint so hunters know when they cross. Land owners that doesn't paint are not permitted from claiming trespassing. And yeary paint is applied although it doesn't have to be on the same trees. The law states that a paint mark should be visible every 150 meters from the last paintmark.
Wow. This breaks my heart for you and for everyone involved. I can't imagine what it must feel like to have to live with the worry of this escalating even further. I wonder if there might be some kind of neutral third party that could bring you and butch together to discuss this in a civil way and allow you both to work together to come up with a plan to reduce the threats and aggression around the topic? A mediator of some kind that could find a way to dial down the tension and make a path forward to a solution that doesn't have to be win/lose? I hope somehow you are both able to find your way to common ground somehow, and live in peace again. ❤