Its been almost 10 years since my last 108 movement set, im glad I found this video to help encourage me to get back into it, it was some of the most calming and relaxed times in my life
Hi Phat Stax, Glad you found us too! Tai Chi has helped me through many phases and events in my life. Have you checked out our You Tube channel ( ruclips.net/user/TheAwarenessWebsitefeatured ) for all our other videos and classroom series? We are also doing Live Stream classes and workshops in case you are interested. Info can be found here theawareness.website/ Cheers Kevin
I started Taoist Tai Chi 22 years ago while I was still in a wheelchair and Tai Chi helped me with my recovery to walk again and get my balance back. Have not done it for some years and I forgot the sequence of the moves… this video is very clear and easy to follow! Tai Chi is 108 moves in one flow🙂
Wow. This brings back memories from those days when Master Moy would drop by the Bathurst Street and D’Arcy Street centres in Toronto. I was in my 20s then. It’s like coming home to ‘experience’ the set once again through your video. Thank you so much for reigniting the inner flame and peace in my being. ☯️
This is the best demonstration of the Taoist Tai Chi set that I have ever seen -- on video or in real life. I hope that the combination of three things --- watching this video and attempting to move my body in exact imitation of what I am seeing, following the instructions in the book by John Panter & Rick Davis, and my own muscle memory -- will enable me to re-learn the 108 moves.
I joined Taoism Tai Chi recently & have trouble following in a classroom setting as I am an 1 on 1 grasped:-)This video is easy to follow & hope it will help me not feel so foolish in class:-)
Kevin, your tai chi is good, and nice of you to share. Your form is clean, with nice large expression. Much better than most that I have see over the decades. You obviously had good instruction. Any negative comments can remain with those that are legends in their own mind. Keep up the good practice!
Yes you're right - those who performs it correctly are legend in there own mind and world!!! Not being negative. Just the way he performs the forms is completely off key and wrong - atleast he is better than someone who I know - and this someonne doesn't come close to him in term of performance.
Hi Karen, Glad you enjoy the video! Our You Tube channel has lots more videos and we are also doing Live Streaming classes. Here is a link to the info on our website theawareness.website/next-step/ Cheers
Hi MK, You are very welcome. Glad you are getting back to it. Check out our other videos, especially the 'set reminder' as that will help you with remembering the sequence. Are you taking a regular class somewhere or just working on your own? Either way, if you have any questions, just ask. We are here to help. Cheers
I am currently taking a Tai Chi class, but there are some moves I have trouble remembering. Watching your videos helps me learn the moves that I have trouble with, and it has helped me a lot to learn the sequence. Thank you for all your videos. You give a lot of good tips on helping me perfect the moves!
HI Susan, I am very glad the videos are helping. We all struggle with learning our Tai Chi and that's why we do the videos. To be honest, I don't think we ever really 'perfect' anything because the body changes as we progress and therefore so does the Tai Chi, but as we continue to practice it does get better and easier to remember. Cheers
I’venot been doing the set for many years but did it for over 10. Never did it as gracefully. Used to have Master Moi’s book with pictures and explanations. While I am so impressed I would like to get back to it on my own and would not be able to learn again from this particular video.
I studied Tai Chi in the mid 1970s. Although Mr. Moy was not my instructor, he was always present overseeing how well I was doing and correcting me via the instructor. I moved away from Toronto and lost how to do the basic tai chi set. Recently I started again. Your video helps a lot between classes. Thanks
Hey Larry. That's great! It's never to late to get back into practicing. We will have videos coming on a regular basis so subscribe and stay tuned. If you ever have any questions, just ask. Where are you practicing now, if you don't mind me asking? Cheers
Hi Kevin. Because I live far from a Taoist Tai Chi class, I have followed an eclectic path. Your videos have been such a great help. I regularly refer to them and they truly are an invaluable learning aid. I have been able to take approximately 10 classes in total from Montreal to Vancouver from 5 different instructors. Yesterday, I had an unfortunate encounter with an Taoist Tai Chi Society instructor. I told him about my challenges getting to a class and how useful your you tube videos are. He was very upset, that I was using your videos and demanded that I stop watching them and that the only way to learn Tai Chi was from a qualified and certified instructor from the Society. I felt his comments were rude, arrogant and conceited. So Kevin, just in case someone else chooses to dump on you for helping me, I say to them please go away. There are many ways to learn. Thanks
Hi Larry, Sorry that you had that kind of interaction with a TTCS instructor. Should you happen to see him again, you can tell him that I was a qualified and certified instructor for the society for over 25 years having been approved by Mr. Moy. That should set his mind at ease. I don’t recall instructors ever getting an actual “certificate” in the past, but maybe that has changed. Perhaps you could ask to see his certificate? All kidding aside, you are right. You can and should learn in whatever way is available to you and however it works for you. Mr. Moy wanted to make his Tai Chi available to everyone and not just people near a club location. That’s what our videos are all about, making his Tai Chi and the benefits available to everyone. Mr. Moy had personally asked me to instruct and made a point of asking me to help other instructors after one particular workshop. This is my way of honouring his request. Thanks for your support Larry, Cheers
it's been quite Awhile for me Doing the 108 'moves'! Such a Pleasure meeting Mr. Moy Lin Shin...'back in the DAY'!...I will 'Watch' this video to see if i can 'Remember'.... Thanks for 'SHARING'! Cheers....
Hi Gungfuriceboy, Great that you had a chance to meet Mr. Moy. Hopefully the video will help you practice. Check out our You Tube channel for all our other videos. Cheers Kevin
I am so happy to have found this video! I have learned a lot at my Tai Chi classes but it has been very hard for me to learn the order of the moves and the transition from one to the other. This helps soooooo much. Very much appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Kathy, I am very glad the video is helping. That's why we do them! Check out our other videos on our You Tube channel by clicking on the Awareness tag. The Classroom Classics series will help you lots. If you have any questions, just ask! Cheers
Hi Susan, Very welcome and glad it helps. Have you checked out our Live Stream classes yet? information can be found on our website here theawareness.website/next-step/ Cheers
Hi Kristy, You are very welcome and so glad the video is helping! If you go to our You Tube channel you will find many more videos to help you along. The Classroom Classics series get lots of great comments. Check out our website for information about our Live Stream classes too, theawareness.website/next-step/ We are doing a special thing for our Live Stream students and You Tube subscribers for December so be sure to subscribe! Cheers Kevin
This video and your instruction video helped a lot as a beginner to TTC. And now from reading the comments I’m learning Tai Chi people need to chill! Thanks again for the uploads!
Hi Ilike, Glad the video is helping and very happy to hear that you are practicing at home outside of class. You might also want to check out our Set Reminder video if you haven't already. Diligent practice is a key element according to Mr. Moy. Keep going! Cheers
Hi Patti, Thanks and I'm glad the videos are helping you practice! That is the whole idea for doing them. As for the music, I put that together myself. We get a few requests for music so eventually I will get around to doing some more of it perhaps in a cd format for people. Stay tuned to the videos as we will have some new stuff coming up over the summer. Cheers
Hello Kevin. I followed you a few years back when I was first learning Tai Chi. I thought you had a video of the 108 step set, with you calling the step moves, but not details of what to do in each move. Unfortunately, I cannot find that particular video. Am I wrong? (I am now down to practicing only one day per week because I am financially challenged by, and disagree with the “voluntary” $300 “donation”, especially since our town hall provides free space and heating for us.) Please let me know if you do have such a video and what it’s title is. Thank you!
Please Did you make a series of videos teaching all of these hundred and eight moves Because I have only found three or four videos of the seventeen moves
Hi Tao, I don't get a lot of opportunity to push hands lately but I have a few people getting to point of being strong enough to do push hands locally here so it should be fun. I remember at a workshop once after doing a lot of push hands, Mr. Moy came over to me and said ' You should always push with the biggest guy in the room". I guess he thought I needed the workout LOL. Cheers
Hi K.W. I am sorry about bothering you again about a 'Lok Hup' video. I know you are probably pretty darn busy (like most everybody is,) but there is not a satisfactory video that goes over the moves. In January 2020, there was a class of about 25 of us taking the first half, most of us left not satisfied (for one reason or another,) but most of us have no follow up, and you would be the number one person to at least make a first half (for now) demo in a setting such as this video is. Thank You for your terrific sets of videos.
Hi Orville, No bother! We get lots of requests for a Lok Hup video and just have not had the time. It is definitely on the list of things to do so stay tuned. You can email me at theawarenesswebsite@gmail.com to discuss it further if you like. Cheers
About the instructor being "certified" I don't know if the TTCS hands out actual certificates to their instructors. My use of the reference to certification was that the instructor had the approval and backing to be an instructor. As a loyal TTCS member and instructor he dutifully criticized other Tai Chi forms and other ways of learning Tai Chi. That's unfortunate.
Hi Larry, That’s my point exactly. The volunteer instructors have ‘approval’ either from Mr. Moy (in the past) or through the instruction committee at the local or national level. There is no actual ‘certification’ (ie. with certificate). I was ‘approved’ by Mr. Moy and the local committee at the club I was instructing at. Mr. Moy never criticized other styles but rather pointed out the differences in how and what he was teaching and why he was doing it that way. It is unfortunate how some people have to criticize others in order to make themselves and what they are doing seem more important. An insecurity thing perhaps or just identities run amok. Cheers
I was there when Glen told Mister Moy how many Dan yu's he could do. I remember Mister Moy saying he could only do three. I do know everyone disliked Glen. I was allowed to teach beginners and intermediate students. Mister Moy taught me first half Lok hup. I paid, while he was alive. Second half. While alive Raymond Moy taught me sword. Mrs. Quon taught me chanting and Taoist meditation. That is all i have any qualifications to participate in.
Why would you have to state that you knew every one disliked Glen! There is so much negative crap in that statement, you do yourself more harm then you do to Glen.
Thanks for this. I had just finished year one when pandemic hit. This is great reminder. What do you suggest, do beginners class again? I like doing sets and warm ups. Love that you have taken this on line.
Hi Doug, Glad it's helping! If you were at it for a year, you could probably do Continuing. It comes back pretty quick. Have you checked out the other videos on our You Tube channel? We are also doing Live Stream classes and there is an option to have access to both Beginner and Continuing called "I Love Tai Chi". You can find the info here, theawareness.website/next-step/ Cheers Kevin
Hi Myrmidon9, Thanks for the comment! Mr. Moy was a Taoist monk who had a number of teachers from different disciplines and blended elements of Tai Chi, Luihebafa, Hsing-I and Yichuan to form a unique synthesis with the specific aim of working the physiology of the body. Cheers
i appreciate your efforts in teaching tai ch i have been a practitionerer for nearly forty years of daoist 108 andt there are many elements missing from your practicei A WORLD WIDE DISCOVERY OF THE ORIGINAL 108 WOULD BE VERY ELIGHTENING AND BENEFICIAL TO LONG TERM PRACTITIONERS IT WOULD BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR ALL DEDICATED DAOIST I WOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE MY TEACHINGFDOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL. NAMASTE
Hi Wonguri, Thanks for your comments! Who did you learn Taoist Tai Chi from? I assume not Mr. Moy but perhaps I am wrong. I am always willing to hear from other perspectives of Tai Chi and I agree, it would be beneficial to everyone to understand the roots of what we practice although most of the earlier forms are for the most part lost in time. Fortunately there are some, like Mr. Moy who were willing to share the depth of their knowledge freely with anyone willing to learn. Cheers
@@kevinwerre2700 HI KEVIN I did not learn from mr Moy I live in australia i will endevour to make avideo of the108 iwas tauaght so you can compare i have looked everywhere on the net and can not find any form that is the same maybe like you say forms lost in time maybe not catch up soon
I know how to do most of the moves but I am having a hard time remembering them in order. Do you have a way of getting the vocal moves spoken where I can download it onto an MP3 player?
Magic I have found you again...How can I guarantee to keep this particular 108 Set - without having to do a long search each time - Have you made a DVD of this particular demonstration Which I can follow rather easily. So thank you from a very keen Tai chi - Mister Moy beginner in the UK...
Hi Zonnie, You are very welcome. The best is to subscribe to our You Tube channel . You can also go to our website www.theawareness.website/awareness-tai-chi/ scroll to the bottom and click on the RUclips icon to go to our videos. We have an online course in process which will be available in the very near future. Cheers
You can Bookmark it. At the end of the status, (Top entry) line there is a star. Click on it and window comes up and you can bookmark the video site. When you want to find it again click on the "Other bookmarks" folder in the top right corner of your screen. Look for this specific entry, click on it and Voila!
Hi, thanks for this TaiChi video. I'm learning TaiChi from the scratch. Learning one move after the other. It's a long journey for me, but every time I gain few seconds (or a couple of movements. As of today I'm at 2:35. Could you tell the difference from TaiChi and QiGong? Is one better than the other somehow? Thanks!
Hi Edmundo, That's awesome that you are using the videos to start your Tai Chi Journey. There is a lot to learn though. I would suggest the Classroom Classics series on our You Tube channel for the best tutorial videos. The differences between Tai Chi and Qigong are numerous and would be tough to explain here as there is a lot information to know about either. Which is better? Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Send an email to me at theawarenesswebsite@gmail.com and I can go into it a bit more for you. Cheers Kevin
You need a competent teacher. You cannot learn Tai Chi Chuan without being personally guided through each phase of each Stage of Development. You may be able to superficially approximate what you see but the content and quality of each Posture and the transitions must be taught to you over years of dedicated practice under the tutelage of people who have travelled the Road ahead of you. Hopefully, you have found such a person. Good fortune and good training
@@taichinito108 I live in Chicago and my teacher is a student of Patrick Kelly, who was a student of one of Cheng Man Ching’s students,Huang Sheng Shyan. I have studied with my teacher for 15 years. It takes years of training under the guidance of a person who has a deeper understanding than you have to really make progress. You can imitate external movements by watching a video but you need someone to correct your movements to make them as accurate as possible. You have to be touched and positioned by the Teacher and you still will only gradually understand. Then, there are the internal changes that animate the external movements. You have to be shown what to do to produce these changes, and you have to practice and be corrected until you gradually refine your understanding. I am hardly a master or even proficient in skill. But, I know the Tao (Path) of Tai Chi Chuan, because it is the one that I am being guided through. I hope this helps. Find a true teacher. You have to search for her/him. And, it may not be the first one you select. But, if you are sincere, you will eventually find one.
Many people benefit from a slower set. Personally a fifteen minute works better for me. It seems to focus on holding the ball's feeling. When my bodies sinks, and stretches there is more time for opening and stretching fully. More healing seems to occur.
Hi Morris, We do not have any immediate plans for sword or sabre videos but thanks for the suggestion! We get requests for videos of the other forms Mr. Moy taught all the time and hope to be able to produce some in the near future. For now the Tai Chi videos are keeping us busy but stay tuned and keep practicing! Cheers
It's been really tough since the pandemic began when I was going to 6 classes a week and now I haven't gone to a class in over a year. I have a physical disability and the powers that be banning it being on zoom made it impossible for me to do tai chi. So now I can't even do the first 17 moves even though I've done tai chi for fourteen years. This will help me figure out what I have been doing wrong and fix the gaps... especially the last half of the first 17 moves... which has always been a struggle for me... got any tips on how to finally get those moves solid? So frustrated right now with ttcs... they seem to feel that chanting on zoom is an awesome replacement. It is not.
Hi Kaaren, Glad you found us! Practice is the only way I know to improve and strengthen the form. Our You Tube channel has lots of videos that can help you out. Check out our website for info on our Live Stream classes, theawareness.website/next-step/ . We are also doing monthly Zoom workshops to help people keep up their practice. I remember Mr. Moy saying that you could do in 1 year of diligent Tai Chi practice what it would take 10 years to do with just meditation and chanting. Chanting is a very good supplement and has important aspects to it, but it is not enough as a stand alone practice to understand and develop what Mr. Moy was teaching us. Cheers Kevin
Hi Angel, Tai Chi is a path to learning many things about yourself, the most obvious is improving your health and wellbeing. Studying the philosophy behind Tai Chi can help you develop a deeper awareness of not only the physical existence but the energetic existence as well. Learning about chi is simply learning about the circulation of energy (chi) in the body and understanding what we do to interrupt this natural aspect of ourselves and how to balance it. Tai Chi Chuan is considered an internal martial art and many schools focus on the martial aspects of Tai Chi much like a Kung Fu school. The original development of Tai Chi came from the Taoist practices of health and longevity and the earliest form of it was known as the Earlier Heaven Movements. The Taoist monks were known for promoting and teaching techniques for improving health wherever they travelled. My teacher, Moy Lin Shin, was a Taoist Monk that followed this philosophy of health and wellbeing and I believe he considered the martial development to be more of a side benefit. The Awareness Tai Chi that we teach is taught with the same focus that Mr. Moy had. Cheers
Hi Shu. The stretching is a big component of what Mr. Moy was teaching. It helps to open up the joints of the body. Just remember to keep the body balanced. Cheers.
Any video "freezes" the expression of the form into what was the temporary understanding/mastering of the form by the practitioner at that point in time. Videos don't evolve. This is why I always prefer to refer myself to Mstr Moy's video: ruclips.net/video/f9BFWJsrmSY/видео.html Another matter often raised in discussions is whether Master Moy's tai chi is "real" tai chi or not: for instance about "unrooting" or "pulling out of your root". For what I understand of it at this point in time, "unrooting" has been used at a more or less late-introductory/early-intermediate level of the training. It would be more of a pedagogical means to trigger the stretching of the spine for people who do not yet have sufficient flexibility to achieve it otherwise. I've heard long term well versed instructors (that are not with the organization anymore) plainly use terms like: "As a temporary exercise in your training,..."
Hi Guy, Thanks for the comments. There can be all kinds of interpretations of the technical or common terms for the various aspects of Tai Chi and as always Mr. Moy kept it simple so people could get a 'feel' for what was going on as opposed to creating an intellectual description. I believe that Mr. Moy valued that 'personal discovery' sort of experience just so a person could evolve both physically and mentally through the Tai Chi and not get stuck in the temporal. We all evolve at a different pace and yes, it's all temporary as we all change with each experience either forward , backward or otherwise. I suppose you could say that even the video of Mr. Moy is a moment 'frozen in time' but I too hold Mr. Moy's example as a benchmark. Cheers
Hey Doug. Both actually. I was a member and continuing instructor of the TTCS for many years and had instruction and corrections directly from Mr. Moy at numerous workshops. I attended as many workshops as I could since 1985. How about you? Did you Know Mr. Moy directly? Cheers.
only in passing, when I was a member of the Chilliwack club and was at several workshops he gave in Victoria and Vancouver. I'm lucky enough to be working with Ben Chung here in Naramata at the moment: he was the treasurer in Orangeville for many years and now lives in our little burg.
I'm pretty sure you signed a contract that you were not allowed teach Master Moy tai chi. I know you from Calgary. You were an average teacher there. Watching your video you still are. You can make the form, but your tai chi is intermediate at best. What you are doing now, goes against everything Master Moy believed.
Graham Larking Hi Graham. Thanks for expressing your views. This and the other videos presented are intended to help BEGINNERS and continuing practitioners of the Tai Chi that Mr. Moy taught, which was what Mr. Moy asked us to do, help others. He also said to make this available to all, which is what I am doing. I promote the health improving qualities of the Tai Chi and I also promote cultural exchange, in terms of my understanding of where the Tai Chi originated from based on Mr. Moy's heritage. How am I not following the aims and objectives that Mr. Moy presented? Furthermore Mr. Moy himself approved of and endorsed my becoming an instructor in 1986 and continued to do so over the years. He also personally asked me to help the other instructors improve their Tai Chi in the mid nineties. I am pretty sure he was a good judge of my level of Tai Chi. Willie Chui shared with me at one point in time that Mr. Moy himself said he liked my Tai Chi. I will post some of Mr. Moy's last words as presented through the society in upcoming posts and perhaps you will see something in those words for yourself. I have always had and continue to have the utmost respect for Mr. Moy and what he taught. He himself had a unique and non-traditional way of teaching and many different teachers contributing to his understanding and development. What he did with it and how he conducted himself made the difference. I do not see myself as a master ( and Mr. Moy said "no more masters" ) and I don't consider my learning to be done by any means as we are ALL still learning. Cheers, Kevin.
I studied in Calgary. Master Moy did a lot workshops there with his translater Boon.Master Moy tai chi and lok hup. Master Moy perfered lok hup. Most of the workshop were lok hup. He hated slow sets. to much pausing. Internal movements are hard to see. Any beginner can make the form. You make the form to lose it as you become more advanced. I was also an instructor. I knew tai chi, lok hup up and sword. This is my problem with Kevin. Everyone knew you were not allowed to teach outside the society. Kevin does slow sets and holds the form. that's beginner. He comments on Master Moy. Master Moy would look at a class and have instructions just that for that class. Every class and individual got got different advice.
You seem so young to have actually learned from Master Moy. I started 10 years ago, so it was too late for me to have met him. Has this video been approved for public viewing by the international instruction committee? Your balance is very good and your balance is just as good. I assume you're a certified Taoist Tai Chi instructor. Thanks for the video.
Hi Robert, Thanks for your comments. I started Tai Chi with the Taoist Tai Chi society in 1985 and became an instructor in 1986. I was an instructor for the society for over 25 years with Mr. Moy's approval. As I am not instructing for the society at this point I do not need the approval of the Instruction Committee nor anyone else for that matter. I am simply following Mr. Moy's example and objective of making the Tai Chi and it's benefits available to everyone. Mr. Moy had personally asked me to help others, particularly instructors, before he passed away. Hope this helps. Cheers.
Hi Brian, Not sure what you mean. Obviously we don't have fees with the videos so I assume you are talking about the organization you are with. As I understand it, if it's a Non Profit group there are not supposed to be fees but base the member participation on a 'donational' basis. Sometimes the 'donation' turns out to be obligatory. I would suggest asking the directors of your organization for a clear explanation of the payment structure and a clear breakdown of how the money collected from members is disbursed within the organization. Mr. Moy insisted on a "volunteer, from the heart" type of participation and I am pretty sure he would not have approved of the high six figure incomes some of the directors of the organization he put together, are now enjoying. But that's just my opinion. Cheers
@@bwoodward9564 Hi Brian, Didn't know I was missing anything but always open to other views. Don't think I know Ron. Maybe you could email his contact info to me via our website? Cheers
@@kevinwerre2700 I've read some of the negative comments here. They don't know what they are talking about. Stretching is important. This tai chi is better than the others( I consider them Communist influenced). Mr. Moy, as I was told, borrowed the tai chi and inserted his knowledge. I can believe this. There are two capable clubs now and a few factions who weren't happy. I don't know where the factions are. Spiraling is that as you rise from one move to the next you use the spine to turn as far up as you can as if the centre of your head was attached to a string ( like a marrionette) then let go on the way down. I am trying to look at the Wudang as they appear similar and explain Taoism very well ( I think) but have not had the time to explore. Keep the back straight as I think you are doing. I, personally, am comfortable with my tai chi and Lokup. I've forgotten the others., but actually think that the tai chi (Moy's) is better than Lokup. Actually, turn your chest slowly as you turn up. The spine comes later.
@@bwoodward9564 Hi Brian, Yes you are right, Mr. Moy utilized a traditional Yang form and incorporated his knowledge of Qigong, Hsing I, Yichuan, Lokhup, Taoist philosophy, etc, that he learned from various teachers, to modify the form to make it more effective in transforming the body. I remember him saying at a workshop one time that he could have used anything to teach what he wanted to teach, but he chose Tai Chi. The spiraling is a fundamental aspect as the spine loosens up and the timing/alignment improves. Using the legs, staying relaxed and connecting the arms makes the spiral happen very naturally. Cheers
Hi Fallsschrimmjager, It's actually a Yang form that Mr. Moy modified by adding elements from his Taoist background as well as Yichuan that his teacher Liang Tze Pang taught. I would agree that it does have some similarities to some Wu style forms. Cheers
Kevin. I am wondering how much do you make from videos? Who is your little friend , rickt1951 ? He seems to be very attached to you. Very protective. Could you ask him to post a video of his Tai Chi? i am not a Grand Master. Master Moy wanted to be called Mister Moy, as you know.
I was a regular TTCS instructor for a while, went to workshops, including Canada, and got personal corrections from the best at the time. Stopped but not because of the tai chi. Speed up your video (x2) and you will see you have the 'wobble head'. Not a good thing. Seriously, work it out. I think I know what it is but as you know, real change only comes from within. But what do I know...
Hi Jedlica, Thanks for your observation and there is no need to speed it up to see it LOL. I have brought the 'wobble head"' problem to students attention for many years now and did not realize I was doing the same thing until we did this first video (I had never watched myself do Tai Chi before). I have been working on it since starting the videos and now have gained a better understanding on how to help people correct this than ever before. I would encourage people to watch themselves in their own video with the emphasis or intent on correcting themselves as it is good to have that outside observation and perspective. We can think we are doing one thing when actually doing something totally different. Your comment is a great example of Mr. Moy's idea of sharing and helping each other learn. Cheers
This is a simplified version of tai chi, more like a dance as it does not conform to some of the most basic of principles e.g. rooting, using the waist. But it is dangerous, as you can get injured. Even worse, it operates like a cult and many have left after being very badly treated while volunteers, I have seen this. All payments for class go centrally and are used to buy up property, so it is essentially capitalist tai chi, with a big publicity machine, a million miles from the real tai chi culture. Trust the West to screw this up, through ego, pride and just not understanding. There are many other very good practitioners. Don't touch this lot with a bargepole!
Hi Jane . Thanks for your comments. Does this " ego, pride and just not understanding" maybe apply to you as well? Check out our video on "Introduction to the Identities". It might help you out. Cheers.
Awareness sorry, but I have to agree with Jane. the performer is overextending. Just to point one 1 small detail ( as the demonstrator steps - the toes should not be placed on the ground prior to weight shift )
I checked out Taoist Tai Chi recently in person. Also viewed the Master Moy's video. I have the same conclusion as Jane. It is missing most of, if not all, basics. The "stretching" part is also wrong and dangerous. Adding to "ego and pride", I also see arrogance. If some people like it, I can't convince them to stay away. But I could always say there are much more better Tai Chi instructors out there.
I agree with you Jane. Taoist Tai Chi is by no means real tai chi. I call it a 'tai-chi like exercise'. I belonged to Taoist Tai Chi for two years but quit due to the constant changes to the set; the price; and funny ideas they have. Also the classes started getting boring, too much focus on one or two moves, not enough full sets being done. On the changes note: This just annoyed me and I know it annoys other members. A lot of other members. Then the price. I had to pay twice as much as someone not working, which is unfair. Just because I work I am certainly not flush with money, I need to pay my expenses, rent, food etc. Not sure why if you work, you pay more. I also disliked the idea of funding the Taoist society's crusade of building more centres. I don't mind paying to use our local venue and the tutor's travel money, but why am I paying for a new building to go up in Florida exactly?
Hi Vincent, Thanks for your comments. Your judgements lead me to ask if you are an instructor and if so, would you care to send a video clarifying what I am doing wrong exactly? I am always open for correction from someone qualified to do so and has the understanding to help another to improve. Cheers
If you are part of the society I can't. No I do not teach because even though I have been practicing tai chi on and off since the late 70's when Master Moy was teaching I still need much more training. I work at doing all the fine minute details. The set you do is better than most instructors except for Tony or Andrew from the Society. I do not feel right doing this on line as I do not like to criticize instructors. I could just see that you are pulling instead of pushing up from the bubbling spring. This all unimportant if you are doing this mostly as an exercise only. The pushing up and drpping is very important for push hands of course. I have been asked by Society branch to not show or teach any students.
Hi Vincent, Thanks for that, and no, I am not part of the Society anymore. Are you still with the Society? I am doing these videos on my own after many years of being an instructor for the Society. I too feel that I need more training as it is an ongoing process but I remember Mr. Moy saying that you learn by teaching and sharing. I attended a workshop that the Canadian Tai Chi Academy put on and they were very welcoming and willing to share what they knew. I don't believe Mr. Moy ever told anyone that they could not teach period. He may have asked certain people to step down as representatives for the Society or made corrections that some people could not accept and so they left, but I don't think he ever tried to exercise control over what people did outside or after the Society. He only asked for respect and he certainly showed respect for others from what I could see.. I appreciate your observations and will pay close attention to what I am doing. These details you mention are important even if you are just exercising I think and I share these things with students all the time. Cheers
Hi Vincent, Just to clarify, I studied Tai Chi in Calgary and went to every workshop I could, especially when Mr. Moy was to be there. I also went to Orangeville a few times for workshops. I had help from many good instructors as well as Mr. Moy. I knew of Chris Young and many others. Is he still around? Cheers, Kevin.
Hi Alan, Thanks for the comment! I am assuming you practice Tai Chi and all I can say is that it all depends on your perspective and what you compare it to. Mr. Moy had a very unique approach to teaching that certainly was not traditional. If you understood the reasons behind what and how he taught you would understand how important squaring the hips is and that what you call “bobbing” ( more accurately standing up and sitting down) is important to understanding the fundamentals and improving the circulations in the body. Cheers
Hi Kevin, Many years ago I had two years instruction in Mr Moy tai chi for mixed reasons I moved on and in the next two years on studying 3 to 4 hour a day 7 days a week I found just the opposite was true keeping the qua (hips) open, I'm sure you believe in what your doing but I find it sad to see some one of your undoubted ability practicing such a simple form. Over the last 10 or so years I have never stopped learning and will continue to do so.
Hi Alan, Yes, Tai chi is a lifetime process and in the 30 odd years I have been practicing I can honestly say I still have a lot to learn. I really appreciate your views and comments and every time someone presents a different view it gives me an opportunity to look deeper into my own practice. Thank you. What style are you practicing now? Cheers
Movement, posture, structure, forms and over stretching in every movements is bad. No flow, movement are rough - thus will not help with developing chi flow internally. Sorry for the bad review.
Its been almost 10 years since my last 108 movement set, im glad I found this video to help encourage me to get back into it, it was some of the most calming and relaxed times in my life
Hi Phat Stax,
Glad you found us too! Tai Chi has helped me through many phases and events in my life. Have you checked out our You Tube channel ( ruclips.net/user/TheAwarenessWebsitefeatured ) for all our other videos and classroom series? We are also doing Live Stream classes and workshops in case you are interested. Info can be found here theawareness.website/
Cheers
Kevin
I started Taoist Tai Chi 22 years ago while I was still in a wheelchair and Tai Chi helped me with my recovery to walk again and get my balance back. Have not done it for some years and I forgot the sequence of the moves… this video is very clear and easy to follow! Tai Chi is 108 moves in one flow🙂
Wow. This brings back memories from those days when Master Moy would drop by the Bathurst Street and D’Arcy Street centres in Toronto. I was in my 20s then. It’s like coming home to ‘experience’ the set once again through your video. Thank you so much for reigniting the inner flame and peace in my being. ☯️
This is the best demonstration of the Taoist Tai Chi set that I have ever seen -- on video or in real life. I hope that the combination of three things --- watching this video and attempting to move my body in exact imitation of what I am seeing, following the instructions in the book by John Panter & Rick Davis, and my own muscle memory -- will enable me to re-learn the 108 moves.
Go to our website page, link below and see more of our stuff... theawareness.website/resource-page/
I joined Taoism Tai Chi recently & have trouble following in a classroom setting as I am an 1 on 1 grasped:-)This video is easy to follow & hope it will help me not feel so foolish in class:-)
Kevin, your tai chi is good, and nice of you to share. Your form is clean, with nice large expression. Much better than most that I have see over the decades.
You obviously had good instruction. Any negative comments can remain with those that are legends in their own mind.
Keep up the good practice!
Hi Mehrab. Thanks for that and thanks for watching our videos. We are just getting ready for the next video series so stay tuned. Cheers.
Mehrab Khan inh
Yes you're right - those who performs it correctly are legend in there own mind and world!!! Not being negative. Just the way he performs the forms is completely off key and wrong - atleast he is better than someone who I know - and this someonne doesn't come close to him in term of performance.
I appreciate the opportunity to review at will. Very informative...and convenient. Thank you. Karen
Hi Karen,
Glad you enjoy the video! Our You Tube channel has lots more videos and we are also doing Live Streaming classes. Here is a link to the info on our website theawareness.website/next-step/
Cheers
Moving slower allows a more relaxed set allowing the body to more fully relax, and gain greater health gains, and feeling nicer. 🌞
Thank you. I used to do this sequence regularly 5 years ago but have forgotten it. Thank you for such a clear video.
Hi MK,
You are very welcome.
Glad you are getting back to it.
Check out our other videos, especially the 'set reminder' as that will
help you with remembering the sequence.
Are you taking a regular class somewhere or just working on
your own? Either way, if you have any questions, just ask. We are here to help.
Cheers
I am currently taking a Tai Chi class, but there are some moves I have trouble remembering. Watching your videos helps me learn the moves that I have trouble with, and it has helped me a lot to learn the sequence. Thank you for all your videos. You give a lot of good tips on helping me perfect the moves!
HI Susan,
I am very glad the videos are helping. We all struggle with learning our Tai Chi and that's why we do the videos. To be honest, I don't think we ever really 'perfect' anything because the body changes as we progress and therefore so does the Tai Chi, but as we continue to practice it does get better and easier to remember.
Cheers
Great, I practice every day the Master’s moves!
Hi Pauline,
Awesome! Keep it up!
Cheers
Kevin
Wonderful, thank you for sharing 😊
I’venot been doing the set for many years but did it for over 10. Never did it as gracefully. Used to have Master Moi’s book with pictures and explanations. While I am so impressed I would like to get back to it on my own and would not be able to learn again from this particular video.
I studied Tai Chi in the mid 1970s. Although Mr. Moy was not my instructor, he was always present overseeing how well I was doing and correcting me via the instructor. I moved away from Toronto and lost how to do the basic tai chi set. Recently I started again. Your video helps a lot between classes. Thanks
Hey Larry. That's great! It's never to late to get back into practicing. We will have videos coming on a regular basis so subscribe and stay tuned. If you ever have any questions, just ask. Where are you practicing now, if you don't mind me asking?
Cheers
Hi Kevin. Because I live far from a Taoist Tai Chi class, I have followed an eclectic path. Your videos have been such a great help. I regularly refer to them and they truly are an invaluable learning aid. I have been able to take approximately 10 classes in total from Montreal to Vancouver from 5 different instructors.
Yesterday, I had an unfortunate encounter with an Taoist Tai Chi Society instructor. I told him about my challenges getting to a class and how useful your you tube videos are. He was very upset, that I was using your videos and demanded that I stop watching them and that the only way to learn Tai Chi was from a qualified and certified instructor from the Society. I felt his comments were rude, arrogant and conceited. So Kevin, just in case someone else chooses to dump on you for helping me, I say to them please go away. There are many ways to learn. Thanks
Hi Larry,
Sorry that you had that kind of interaction with a TTCS instructor. Should you happen to see him
again, you can tell him that I was a qualified and certified instructor for the society for over 25 years having been approved by Mr. Moy. That should set his mind at ease. I don’t recall instructors ever getting an actual “certificate” in the past, but maybe that has changed. Perhaps you could ask to see his certificate?
All kidding aside, you are right. You can and should learn in whatever way is available to you and however it works for you. Mr. Moy wanted to make his Tai Chi available to everyone and not just people near a club location. That’s what our videos are all about, making his Tai Chi and the benefits available to everyone. Mr. Moy had personally asked me to instruct and made a point of asking me to help other instructors after one particular workshop. This is my way of honouring his request.
Thanks for your support Larry,
Cheers
it's been quite Awhile for me Doing the 108 'moves'! Such a Pleasure meeting Mr. Moy Lin Shin...'back in the DAY'!...I will 'Watch' this video to see if i can 'Remember'.... Thanks for 'SHARING'! Cheers....
Hi Gungfuriceboy,
Great that you had a chance to meet Mr. Moy. Hopefully the video will help you practice. Check out our You Tube channel for all our other videos.
Cheers
Kevin
@@TheAwarenessWebsite Thanks Kevin!! I will 'Watch' & Practice to Re-Fresh My Memory......Cheers
I am so happy to have found this video! I have learned a lot at my Tai Chi classes but it has been very hard for me to learn the order of the moves and the transition from one to the other.
This helps soooooo much. Very much appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Kathy,
I am very glad the video is helping. That's why we do them! Check out our other videos on our You Tube channel by clicking on the Awareness tag. The Classroom Classics series will help you lots. If you have any questions, just ask!
Cheers
Wonderful demonstration extremely helpful in improving my practice Thank you
Hi Susan,
Very welcome and glad it helps. Have you checked out our Live Stream classes yet? information can be found on our website here theawareness.website/next-step/
Cheers
Thank you for reminding of some of the moves. I have the book, but the video helps me too. Nice!
Hi Kristy,
You are very welcome and so glad the video is helping! If you go to our You Tube channel you will find many more videos to help you along. The Classroom Classics series get lots of great comments. Check out our website for information about our Live Stream classes too, theawareness.website/next-step/
We are doing a special thing for our Live Stream students and You Tube subscribers for December so be sure to subscribe!
Cheers
Kevin
Excellent exercise to keep fit fine. duration is also minimal ( 12 to 13 minutes)
This video and your instruction video helped a lot as a beginner to TTC. And now from reading the comments I’m learning Tai Chi people need to chill! Thanks again for the uploads!
Hi Gerry,
Sorry I missed this comment. Thanks for your comment and yes, I guess we all can chill sometimes LOL. Glad the videos are helping!
Cheers
As a learner, I am really grateful for this video to prompt me on the moves when I practice at home.
Hi Ilike,
Glad the video is helping and very happy to hear that you are practicing at home outside of class. You might also want to check out our Set Reminder video if you haven't already. Diligent practice is a key element according to Mr. Moy. Keep going!
Cheers
Thank you very much 🎉😂❤
Your tai chi is beautiful!
Hi Jessica,
Thanks! Hope the videos are helping your practice.
Cheers
Awesome form. I am encouraged to practice more with your videos. Thanks so much . Love the music....where can I find music like that?
Hi Patti,
Thanks and I'm glad the videos are helping you practice! That is the whole idea for doing them. As for the music, I put that together myself. We get a few requests for music so eventually I will get around to doing some more of it perhaps in a cd format for people. Stay tuned to the videos as we will have some new stuff coming up over the summer.
Cheers
Good flow keep bend in limbs keep practicing ❤
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Hello Kevin. I followed you a few years back when I was first learning Tai Chi. I thought you had a video of the 108 step set, with you calling the step moves, but not details of what to do in each move. Unfortunately, I cannot find that particular video. Am I wrong? (I am now down to practicing only one day per week because I am financially challenged by, and disagree with the “voluntary” $300 “donation”, especially since our town hall provides free space and heating for us.) Please let me know if you do have such a video and what it’s title is. Thank you!
Please
Did you make a series of videos teaching all of these hundred and eight moves
Because I have only found three or four videos of the seventeen moves
Go to our website page, link below and you will see them all listed there, 100+ available... theawareness.website/resource-page/
I'd love to see your push hands.
Hi Tao,
I don't get a lot of opportunity to push hands lately but I have a few people getting to point of being strong enough to do push hands locally here so it should be fun. I remember at a workshop once after doing a lot of push hands, Mr. Moy came over to me and said ' You should always push with the biggest guy in the room". I guess he thought I needed the workout LOL.
Cheers
Hi K.W. I am sorry about bothering you again about a 'Lok Hup' video. I know you are probably pretty darn busy (like most everybody is,) but there is not a satisfactory video that goes over the moves. In January 2020, there was a class of about 25 of us taking the first half, most of us left not satisfied (for one reason or another,) but most of us have no follow up, and you would be the number one person to at least make a first half (for now) demo in a setting such as this video is. Thank You for your terrific sets of videos.
Hi Orville,
No bother! We get lots of requests for a Lok Hup video and just have not had the time. It is definitely on the list of things to do so stay tuned. You can email me at theawarenesswebsite@gmail.com to discuss it further if you like.
Cheers
About the instructor being "certified" I don't know if the TTCS hands out actual certificates to their instructors. My use of the reference to certification was that the instructor had the approval and backing to be an instructor. As a loyal TTCS member and instructor he dutifully criticized other Tai Chi forms and other ways of learning Tai Chi. That's unfortunate.
Hi Larry,
That’s my point exactly. The volunteer instructors have ‘approval’ either from Mr. Moy (in the past) or through the instruction committee at the local or national level. There is no actual ‘certification’ (ie. with certificate). I was ‘approved’ by Mr. Moy and the local committee at the club I was instructing at.
Mr. Moy never criticized other styles but rather pointed out the differences in how and what he was teaching and why he was doing it that way. It is unfortunate how some people have to criticize others in order to make themselves and what they are doing seem more important. An insecurity thing perhaps or just identities run amok.
Cheers
I was there when Glen told Mister Moy how many Dan yu's he could do. I remember Mister Moy saying he could only do three. I do know everyone disliked Glen. I was allowed to teach beginners and intermediate students. Mister Moy taught me first half Lok hup. I paid, while he was alive. Second half. While alive Raymond Moy taught me sword. Mrs. Quon taught me chanting and Taoist meditation. That is all i have any qualifications to participate in.
Why would you have to state that you knew every one disliked Glen! There is so much negative crap in that statement, you do yourself more harm then you do to Glen.
Master Moy ...not Mister. He earned the Master Title.
I can't believe I used to teach this!
Thanks for this. I had just finished year one when pandemic hit. This is great reminder. What do you suggest, do beginners class again? I like doing sets and warm ups. Love that you have taken this on line.
Hi Doug,
Glad it's helping!
If you were at it for a year, you could probably do Continuing. It comes back pretty quick. Have you checked out the other videos on our You Tube channel? We are also doing Live Stream classes and there is an option to have access to both Beginner and Continuing called "I Love Tai Chi". You can find the info here, theawareness.website/next-step/
Cheers
Kevin
Interesting interpretation of the traditional Yang style taijiquan long form.
Hi Myrmidon9,
Thanks for the comment! Mr. Moy was a Taoist monk who had a number of teachers from different disciplines and blended elements of Tai Chi, Luihebafa, Hsing-I and Yichuan to form a unique synthesis with the specific aim of working the physiology of the body.
Cheers
Interpretation vaguely similar, far different, to the original.
i appreciate your efforts in teaching tai ch i have been a practitionerer for nearly forty years of daoist 108 andt there are many elements missing from your practicei A WORLD WIDE DISCOVERY OF THE ORIGINAL 108 WOULD BE VERY ELIGHTENING AND BENEFICIAL TO LONG TERM PRACTITIONERS IT WOULD BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR ALL DEDICATED DAOIST I WOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE MY TEACHINGFDOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL. NAMASTE
Hi Wonguri,
Thanks for your comments! Who did you learn Taoist Tai Chi from? I assume not Mr. Moy but perhaps I am wrong. I am always willing to hear from other perspectives of Tai Chi and I agree, it would be beneficial to everyone to understand the roots of what we practice although most of the earlier forms are for the most part lost in time. Fortunately there are some, like Mr. Moy who were willing to share the depth of their knowledge freely with anyone willing to learn.
Cheers
@@kevinwerre2700 HI KEVIN I did not learn from mr Moy I live in australia i will endevour to make avideo of the108 iwas tauaght so you can compare i have looked everywhere on the net and can not find any form that is the same maybe like you say forms lost in time maybe not catch up soon
Hi Wonguri,
Sounds good! Looking forward to it!
Cheers
I know how to do most of the moves but I am having a hard time remembering them in order. Do you have a way of getting the vocal moves spoken where I can download it onto an MP3 player?
Magic I have found you again...How can I guarantee to keep this particular 108 Set - without having to do a long search each time - Have you made a DVD of this particular demonstration Which I can follow rather easily. So thank you from a very keen Tai chi - Mister Moy beginner in the UK...
Hi Zonnie,
You are very welcome. The best is to subscribe to our You Tube
channel . You can also go to our website www.theawareness.website/awareness-tai-chi/
scroll to the bottom and click on the RUclips icon to go to our videos. We
have an online course in process which will be available in the very near future.
Cheers
You can Bookmark it. At the end of the status, (Top entry) line there is a star. Click on it and window comes up and you can bookmark the video site. When you want to find it again click on the "Other bookmarks" folder in the top right corner of your screen. Look for this specific entry, click on it and Voila!
If I cross my eyes there are two of you!
Hi, thanks for this TaiChi video. I'm learning TaiChi from the scratch. Learning one move after the other. It's a long journey for me, but every time I gain few seconds (or a couple of movements. As of today I'm at 2:35.
Could you tell the difference from TaiChi and QiGong? Is one better than the other somehow?
Thanks!
Hi Edmundo,
That's awesome that you are using the videos to start your Tai Chi Journey. There is a lot to learn though. I would suggest the Classroom Classics series on our You Tube channel for the best tutorial videos. The differences between Tai Chi and Qigong are numerous and would be tough to explain here as there is a lot information to know about either. Which is better? Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Send an email to me at theawarenesswebsite@gmail.com and I can go into it a bit more for you.
Cheers
Kevin
You need a competent teacher. You cannot learn Tai Chi Chuan without being personally guided through each phase of each Stage of Development. You may be able to superficially approximate what you see but the content and quality of each Posture and the transitions must be taught to you over years of dedicated practice under the tutelage of people who have travelled the Road ahead of you.
Hopefully, you have found such a person. Good fortune and good training
@@sevenstarsofthedipper1047 so, who is your teacher?
@@taichinito108 I live in Chicago and my teacher is a student of Patrick Kelly, who was a student of one of Cheng Man Ching’s students,Huang Sheng Shyan. I have studied with my teacher for 15 years. It takes years of training under the guidance of a person who has a deeper understanding than you have to really make progress.
You can imitate external movements by watching a video but you need someone to correct your movements to make them as accurate as possible. You have to be touched and positioned by the Teacher and you still will only gradually understand. Then, there are the internal changes that animate the external movements. You have to be shown what to do to produce these changes, and you have to practice and be corrected until you gradually refine your understanding.
I am hardly a master or even proficient in skill. But, I know the Tao (Path) of Tai Chi Chuan, because it is the one that I am being guided through. I hope this helps. Find a true teacher. You have to search for her/him. And, it may not be the first one you select. But, if you are sincere, you will eventually find one.
Many people benefit from a slower set. Personally a fifteen minute works better for me. It seems to focus on holding the ball's feeling. When my bodies sinks, and stretches there is more time for opening and stretching fully. More healing seems to occur.
Any chance you will be posting the sabre set??
Hi Morris,
We do not have any immediate plans for sword or sabre videos but thanks for the suggestion! We get requests for videos of the other forms Mr. Moy taught all the time and hope to be able to produce some in the near future. For now the Tai Chi videos are keeping us busy but stay tuned and keep practicing!
Cheers
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It's been really tough since the pandemic began when I was going to 6 classes a week and now I haven't gone to a class in over a year. I have a physical disability and the powers that be banning it being on zoom made it impossible for me to do tai chi. So now I can't even do the first 17 moves even though I've done tai chi for fourteen years. This will help me figure out what I have been doing wrong and fix the gaps... especially the last half of the first 17 moves... which has always been a struggle for me... got any tips on how to finally get those moves solid? So frustrated right now with ttcs... they seem to feel that chanting on zoom is an awesome replacement. It is not.
Hi Kaaren,
Glad you found us! Practice is the only way I know to improve and strengthen the form. Our You Tube channel has lots of videos that can help you out. Check out our website for info on our Live Stream classes, theawareness.website/next-step/ . We are also doing monthly Zoom workshops to help people keep up their practice.
I remember Mr. Moy saying that you could do in 1 year of diligent Tai Chi practice what it would take 10 years to do with just meditation and chanting. Chanting is a very good supplement and has important aspects to it, but it is not enough as a stand alone practice to understand and develop what Mr. Moy was teaching us.
Cheers
Kevin
what does learning this do? does this help you learn chi? what is chi? does this help you fight or something?
Hi Angel,
Tai Chi is a path to learning many things about yourself,
the most obvious is improving your health and wellbeing. Studying the philosophy behind Tai Chi can
help you develop a deeper awareness of not only the physical existence but the
energetic existence as well.
Learning about chi is simply learning about the circulation
of energy (chi) in the body and understanding what we do to interrupt this
natural aspect of ourselves and how to balance it.
Tai Chi Chuan is considered an internal martial art and many
schools focus on the martial aspects of Tai Chi much like a Kung Fu school. The original development of Tai Chi came from
the Taoist practices of health and longevity and the earliest form of it was
known as the Earlier Heaven Movements. The Taoist monks were known for
promoting and teaching techniques for improving health wherever they travelled.
My teacher, Moy Lin Shin, was a Taoist Monk that followed
this philosophy of health and wellbeing and I believe he considered the martial
development to be more of a side benefit.
The Awareness Tai Chi that we teach is taught with the same focus that
Mr. Moy had.
Cheers
good stretch
Hi Shu. The stretching is a big component of what Mr. Moy was teaching. It helps to open up the joints of the body. Just remember to keep the body balanced. Cheers.
Any video "freezes" the expression of the form into what was the temporary understanding/mastering of the form by the practitioner at that point in time. Videos don't evolve. This is why I always prefer to refer myself to Mstr Moy's video: ruclips.net/video/f9BFWJsrmSY/видео.html
Another matter often raised in discussions is whether Master Moy's tai chi is "real" tai chi or not: for instance about "unrooting" or "pulling out of your root". For what I understand of it at this point in time, "unrooting" has been used at a more or less late-introductory/early-intermediate level of the training. It would be more of a pedagogical means to trigger the stretching of the spine for people who do not yet have sufficient flexibility to achieve it otherwise. I've heard long term well versed instructors (that are not with the organization anymore) plainly use terms like: "As a temporary exercise in your training,..."
Hi Guy,
Thanks for the comments.
There can be all kinds of interpretations of the technical or common terms for the various aspects of Tai Chi and as always Mr. Moy kept it simple so people could get a 'feel' for what was going on as opposed to creating an intellectual description. I believe that Mr. Moy valued that 'personal discovery' sort of experience just so a person could evolve both physically and mentally through the Tai Chi and not get stuck in the temporal.
We all evolve at a different pace and yes, it's all temporary as we all change with each experience either forward , backward or otherwise. I suppose you could say that even the video of Mr. Moy is a moment 'frozen in time' but I too hold Mr. Moy's example as a benchmark.
Cheers
Sorry, but do you mean you studied with MASTEr Moy, or happened to learn from a TTC club somewhere?
Hey Doug. Both actually. I was a member and continuing instructor of the TTCS for many years and had instruction and corrections directly from Mr. Moy at numerous workshops. I attended as many workshops as I could since 1985. How about you? Did you Know Mr. Moy directly?
Cheers.
only in passing, when I was a member of the Chilliwack club and was at several workshops he gave in Victoria and Vancouver. I'm lucky enough to be working with Ben Chung here in Naramata at the moment: he was the treasurer in Orangeville for many years and now lives in our little burg.
I'm pretty sure you signed a contract that you were not allowed teach Master Moy tai chi. I know you from Calgary. You were an average teacher there. Watching your video you still are. You can make the form, but your tai chi is intermediate at best. What you are doing now, goes against everything Master Moy believed.
Graham Larking
Hi Graham. Thanks for expressing your views. This and the other videos presented are intended to help BEGINNERS and continuing practitioners of the Tai Chi that Mr. Moy taught, which was what Mr. Moy asked us to do, help others. He also said to make this available to all, which is what I am doing. I promote the health improving qualities of the Tai Chi and I also promote cultural exchange, in terms of my understanding of where the Tai Chi originated from based on Mr. Moy's heritage. How am I not following the aims and objectives that Mr. Moy presented?
Furthermore Mr. Moy himself approved of and endorsed my becoming an instructor in 1986 and continued to do so over the years. He also personally asked me to help the other instructors improve their Tai Chi in the mid nineties. I am pretty sure he was a good judge of my level of Tai Chi. Willie Chui shared with me at one point in time that Mr. Moy himself said he liked my Tai Chi.
I will post some of Mr. Moy's last words as presented through the society in upcoming posts and perhaps you will see something in those words for yourself.
I have always had and continue to have the utmost respect for Mr. Moy and what he taught. He himself had a unique and non-traditional way of teaching and many different teachers contributing to his understanding and development. What he did with it and how he conducted himself made the difference.
I do not see myself as a master ( and Mr. Moy said "no more masters" ) and I don't consider my learning to be done by any means as we are ALL still learning.
Cheers, Kevin.
I studied in Calgary. Master Moy did a lot workshops there with his translater Boon.Master Moy tai chi and lok hup. Master Moy perfered lok hup. Most of the workshop were lok hup. He hated slow sets. to much pausing. Internal movements are hard to see. Any beginner can make the form. You make the form to lose it as you become more advanced. I was also an instructor. I knew tai chi, lok hup up and sword. This is my problem with Kevin. Everyone knew you were not allowed to teach outside the society. Kevin does slow sets and holds the form. that's beginner. He comments on Master Moy. Master Moy would look at a class and have instructions just that for that class. Every class and individual got got different advice.
Bien exécuté
You seem so young to have actually learned from Master Moy. I started 10 years ago, so it was too late for me to have met him.
Has this video been approved for public viewing by the international instruction committee? Your balance is very good and your balance is just as good. I assume you're a certified Taoist Tai Chi instructor.
Thanks for the video.
...I meant your flexibility is just as good.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your comments. I started Tai Chi with the Taoist
Tai Chi society in 1985 and became an instructor in 1986. I was an instructor
for the society for over 25 years with Mr. Moy's approval. As I am not instructing for the society at this point I do
not need the approval of the Instruction Committee nor anyone else for that
matter. I am simply following Mr. Moy's example and objective of making the Tai
Chi and it's benefits available to everyone. Mr. Moy had personally asked me to
help others, particularly instructors, before he passed away.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
robert H. Kubota bob
Awareness Good for you sir.
Thanks Vince
Why are fees so mysterious?
Hi Brian,
Not sure what you mean. Obviously we don't have fees with the videos so I assume you are talking about the organization you are with. As I understand it, if it's a Non Profit group there are not supposed to be fees but base the member participation on a 'donational' basis. Sometimes the 'donation' turns out to be obligatory. I would suggest asking the directors of your organization for a clear explanation of the payment structure and a clear breakdown of how the money collected from members is disbursed within the organization. Mr. Moy insisted on a "volunteer, from the heart" type of participation and I am pretty sure he would not have approved of the high six figure incomes some of the directors of the organization he put together, are now enjoying. But that's just my opinion.
Cheers
@@kevinwerre2700 You should see if Ron Routeau would teach you how to spiral your Tai Chi.
@@bwoodward9564 Hi Brian,
Didn't know I was missing anything but always open to other views. Don't think I know Ron. Maybe you could email his contact info to me via our website?
Cheers
@@kevinwerre2700 I've read some of the negative comments here. They don't know what they are talking about. Stretching is important. This tai chi is better than the others( I consider them Communist influenced). Mr. Moy, as I was told, borrowed the tai chi and inserted his knowledge. I can believe this. There are two capable clubs now and a few factions who weren't happy. I don't know where the factions are. Spiraling is that as you rise from one move to the next you use the spine to turn as far up as you can as if the centre of your head was attached to a string ( like a marrionette) then let go on the way down. I am trying to look at the Wudang as they appear similar and explain Taoism very well ( I think) but have not had the time to explore. Keep the back straight as I think you are doing. I, personally, am comfortable with my tai chi and Lokup. I've forgotten the others., but actually think that the tai chi (Moy's) is better than Lokup. Actually, turn your chest slowly as you turn up. The spine comes later.
@@bwoodward9564 Hi Brian,
Yes you are right, Mr. Moy utilized a traditional Yang form and incorporated his knowledge of Qigong, Hsing I, Yichuan, Lokhup, Taoist philosophy, etc, that he learned from various teachers, to modify the form to make it more effective in transforming the body. I remember him saying at a workshop one time that he could have used anything to teach what he wanted to teach, but he chose Tai Chi.
The spiraling is a fundamental aspect as the spine loosens up and the timing/alignment improves. Using the legs, staying relaxed and connecting the arms makes the spiral happen very naturally.
Cheers
turn more, timing
Hi John,
Sorry I missed your comment from a long time ago. Thanks for your suggestions.
Cheers
This looks like Wu Family
Hi Fallsschrimmjager,
It's actually a Yang form that Mr. Moy modified by adding elements from his Taoist background as well as Yichuan that his teacher Liang Tze Pang taught. I would agree that it does have some similarities to some Wu style forms.
Cheers
any comments posted below have not yet found it, (including me). just be quiet and pracitice.
Hi Peeter,
Sage advice indeed!
Cheers
Needs voice calling the moves.
Kevin. I am wondering how much do you make from videos? Who is your little friend , rickt1951 ? He seems to be very attached to you. Very protective. Could you ask him to post a video of his Tai Chi? i am not a Grand Master. Master Moy wanted to be called Mister Moy, as you know.
I was a regular TTCS instructor for a while, went to workshops, including Canada, and got personal corrections from the best at the time. Stopped but not because of the tai chi. Speed up your video (x2) and you will see you have the 'wobble head'. Not a good thing. Seriously, work it out. I think I know what it is but as you know, real change only comes from within. But what do I know...
Hi Jedlica,
Thanks for your observation and there is no need to speed it up to see it LOL.
I have brought the 'wobble head"' problem to students attention for many years now and did not realize I was doing the same thing until we did this first video (I had never watched myself do Tai Chi before). I have been working on it since starting the videos and now have gained a better understanding on how to help people correct this than ever before.
I would encourage people to watch themselves in their own video with the emphasis or intent on correcting themselves as it is good to have that outside observation and perspective. We can think we are doing one thing when actually doing something totally different.
Your comment is a great example of Mr. Moy's idea of sharing and helping each other learn.
Cheers
Don't forget, 'weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.' Come on, lighten up all you uptight humans, it's all in fun, so act happy.
This is a simplified version of tai chi, more like a dance as it does not conform to some of the most basic of principles e.g. rooting, using the waist. But it is dangerous, as you can get injured. Even worse, it operates like a cult and many have left after being very badly treated while volunteers, I have seen this. All payments for class go centrally and are used to buy up property, so it is essentially capitalist tai chi, with a big publicity machine, a million miles from the real tai chi culture. Trust the West to screw this up, through ego, pride and just not understanding. There are many other very good practitioners. Don't touch this lot with a bargepole!
Hi Jane . Thanks for your comments. Does this " ego, pride and just not understanding" maybe apply to you as well? Check out our video on "Introduction to the Identities". It might help you out. Cheers.
Awareness
sorry, but I have to agree with Jane.
the performer is overextending.
Just to point one 1 small detail ( as the demonstrator steps - the toes should not be placed on the ground prior to weight shift )
I checked out Taoist Tai Chi recently in person. Also viewed the Master Moy's video. I have the same conclusion as Jane. It is missing most of, if not all, basics. The "stretching" part is also wrong and dangerous. Adding to "ego and pride", I also see arrogance. If some people like it, I can't convince them to stay away. But I could always say there are much more better Tai Chi instructors out there.
I agree with you Jane. Taoist Tai Chi is by no means real tai chi. I call it a 'tai-chi like exercise'. I belonged to Taoist Tai Chi for two years but quit due to the constant changes to the set; the price; and funny ideas they have.
Also the classes started getting boring, too much focus on one or two moves, not enough full sets being done.
On the changes note: This just annoyed me and I know it annoys other members. A lot of other members.
Then the price. I had to pay twice as much as someone not working, which is unfair. Just because I work I am certainly not flush with money, I need to pay my expenses, rent, food etc. Not sure why if you work, you pay more.
I also disliked the idea of funding the Taoist society's crusade of building more centres. I don't mind paying to use our local venue and the tutor's travel money, but why am I paying for a new building to go up in Florida exactly?
You appear to move too quickly from one step to another..maybe it is the video , maybe it is not😳
This is so bad I have no words to express it
stiff
Wave hands are very poor. He lifts up instead of pushing up most of the time as well. Most of his set is okay though.
Hi Vincent,
Thanks for your comments.
Your judgements lead me to ask if you are an instructor and if so, would you care to send a video clarifying what I am doing wrong exactly? I am always open for correction from someone qualified to do so and has the understanding to help another to improve.
Cheers
If you are part of the society I can't. No I do not teach because even though I have been practicing tai chi on and off since the late 70's when Master Moy was teaching I still need much more training. I work at doing all the fine minute details. The set you do is better than most instructors except for Tony or Andrew from the Society. I do not feel right doing this on line as I do not like to criticize instructors. I could just see that you are pulling instead of pushing up from the bubbling spring. This all unimportant if you are doing this mostly as an exercise only. The pushing up and drpping is very important for push hands of course. I have been asked by Society branch to not show or teach any students.
Awareness I was mostly trained by Chris Young who like you trained with Master Moy.
Hi Vincent,
Thanks for that, and no, I am not part of the Society anymore. Are you still with the Society? I am doing these videos on my own after many years of being an instructor for the Society.
I too feel that I need more training as it is an ongoing process but I remember Mr. Moy saying that you learn by teaching and sharing. I attended a workshop that the Canadian Tai Chi Academy put on and they were very welcoming and willing to share what they knew. I don't believe Mr. Moy ever told anyone that they could not teach period. He may have asked certain people to step down as representatives for the Society or made corrections that some people could not accept and so they left, but I don't think he ever tried to exercise control over what people did outside or after the Society. He only asked for respect and he certainly showed respect for others from what I could see..
I appreciate your observations and will pay close attention to what I am doing. These details you mention are important even if you are just exercising I think and I share these
things with students all the time.
Cheers
Hi Vincent,
Just to clarify, I studied Tai Chi in Calgary and went to every workshop I could, especially when Mr. Moy was to be there. I also went to Orangeville a few times for workshops. I had help from many good instructors as well as Mr. Moy. I knew of Chris Young and many others. Is he still around?
Cheers, Kevin.
Very poor tai chi. square hips not good tai chi! bobbing up and down not good tai chi
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the comment!
I am assuming you practice Tai Chi and all I can say is that it all depends on your perspective and what you compare it to. Mr. Moy had a very unique approach to teaching that certainly was not traditional. If you understood the reasons behind what and how he taught you would understand how important squaring the hips is and that what you call “bobbing” ( more accurately standing up and sitting down) is important to understanding the fundamentals and improving the circulations in the body.
Cheers
Hi Kevin, Many years ago I had two years instruction in Mr Moy tai chi for mixed reasons I moved on and in the next two years on studying 3 to 4 hour a day 7 days a week I found just the opposite was true keeping the qua (hips) open, I'm sure you believe in what your doing but I find it sad to see some one of your undoubted ability practicing such a simple form. Over the last 10 or so years I have never stopped learning and will continue to do so.
Hi Alan,
Yes, Tai chi is a lifetime process and in the 30 odd years I have been practicing I can honestly say I still have a lot to learn. I really appreciate your views and comments and every time someone presents a different view it gives me an opportunity to look deeper into my own practice. Thank you.
What style are you practicing now?
Cheers
this is not tai chi
Movement, posture, structure, forms and over stretching in every movements is bad. No flow, movement are rough - thus will not help with developing chi flow internally. Sorry for the bad review.