6G Tig - Land vs No Land at the Weld.com Headquarters with Bob Moffatt
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- I recently had the honor of doing a collaboration with Bob Moffatt. We flew out to the Weld.com headquarters in Florida and tackled a few of the most asked questions from our beloved viewers. For this special series we will be posting every Friday for the coming weeks. Todays video is 6G Tig - Land vs No Land!
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Bob is so cool. He reminds me of every welding instructor I've ever had. Humble, but insanely skilled
I've been welding since 1987 inspected for 8yrs now back to welding I've been watching some videos so I can have my teenage son watch and learn. Bob you have very good information for young guys. Even after all these years I still learn something everyday. Keep up the good info sir
I’m watching this trying to prep for an interview this morning. I Loved you guys together. Two dudes that REALLY know what they’re doing, and damn good at breaking it down for us greenhorns. Big thanks
God bless you both. Besides being excellent in your work I really appreciate your tact, gentleness and humility.
Here in Texas as far as TIG is concerned we have always done a sharp or feathered edge. Myself I like a 1/32 landing on all my pipe, however in production pipe shops the overwhelming majority of pipe welders gripe if there is a landing. My students and I watch both of you guys.
My two favorite dudes! 😮
You can tell Bob really likes doing collabs with him. Bob seems like a really chill guy tho. He said love you at the end hahah what a sweet dude lol
Bobs a good guy
@@WeldersIncLlc both are great teachers
Great chemistry between you two. Thanks.
I love watching the two of you interact. I learn so much about how to use my everlast welders to the best of their ability.
Yall have some damn good synergy and bring alot of collective information ... I really enjoy the episodes you both are in
I love it when you guys get together to make a video. I've learned so much about powertig welding from the two of you.
Great video! I am also a lefty like Bob. I use a feathered edge like Halmar but walk it like Bob. out in the field, the fitter doesn't always pay attention to how you like it and you get what you get. Welding is always about improvising and improving your technique. always keep learning. thanks guys
At the end of the day it’s the result that counts. Welding is always personal preference, the key is getting comfortable and being consistent with the weld. Some people can’t change hands and get twisted up and the weld isn’t so great. Practise, practise, practise. It’s been said 1000 hrs doing anything results in quality. There’s your answer. Amps changes from left to right handed because of the arc angle and length. Some people don’t believe that but it’s gospel. I’ve taught right and left handed guys and they always find the same result.
Both of these guys know what they’re doing, but it’s just personal preference. It’s the result that counts.
I love learning from these videos where you guys show case two different styles or schools of thought to do the same job, badass.
I watched this video because of how excited Bob Moffatt looked in the thumb nail
In the shop I work(Petrochemicals, exotic alloys, xray UT MT etc..) all of the Welders prefer feathered edge fitups for MIG/TIG roots, FCAW and SAW fill/cap. Field welds often will have lands for SMAW welding.
I love your videos. So much information to glean
Vi seguo dall’Italia, non sono un saldatore ma un appassionato, non capisco quello che dite... ma soltanto guardandovi riesco ad imparare qualche cosa.
Complimenti per tutti i vostri video. Siete grandi!
Grazie!
excellent explanation guys, from Colombia greetings.
Something unbelievable!!! Two from the three the most favorite, significant and valuable persons in my welding life in one place!!! Thank You so-so much !!! Try to make it regular and it will make me happy! Thank You one more time!!!
Huge fan of Bob and becoming a big fan of yours. Really enjoyed this video, keep them coming man. Subbed.
I prefer to have a land on the bevel, too. Most of the stuff I do has to be preheated, so it’s not very comfy to rest the fingers on the pipe. On big inch pipe I find it also way more comfortable to rest the cup. But this is all personal preference like you said. If I have to tie in below 3 o‘clock I switch to a torch angle about 90 degrees and use a thinner wire. Then I create a keyhole and push wire in there . It’s a bit like the dipping technique with pushing wire. That gives me enough reenforcement but I don‘t leave cold wire in there.
I like these collaborative efforts. You guys do a good job of explaining the hows and the whys of the traditions of the trade.
As a welding inspector boiler makers are hard to beat. Quick and good
I really enjoy learning from these guys!
My go-to guys back at it again, great info as alwayz
Its all about preference, hell if it passes x-ray its all good.
Ruben Rios preference will get your ass busted on X-ray
All about that diversity and *inclusions* hahha
On a business side of it, it all about minimizing time, and maximizing productivity and as long as you make a good quality weld and accepted by the inspector. Great video and great for the welders community.
and you noticed! young gun used a jumbo gas lens & jumbo cup, the old timer used a regular set up. :) its all good !!
It's very useful video to me
Thanks a lot 🙏
Talent from God on display here. Thanks for it all.
@WeldTube - What kind of gloves do you use to TIG with? My gloves are the thin Tillman TIG gloves and to rest my finders on that pipe, my fingers would be toast in about 5 minutes resting them on pipe running 110 amps.
Both of you are good welders...
Re: Looking to become a pipe welder
A lot shop fab is mig welded, like meter skids, seperators parts of vessels. If you want to travel and weld you need to find a helper job somewhere you want to go and learn the downhill stick side or get into chemical and water plants where everything is tig welded or try em all out. Getting a helper job for a year or 2 is going to be more useful than most schooling plus you'll take home 1500$ a week for the right company. Save, learn, practice in your spare time. When your comfortable go find a test
I've been trying out the no land prep, and been really liking the results with that. However bob does make a good point, unfortunately a lot of outside parts that are pre-prepped (flanges, T's, elbows) almost always come with a land on them. So in those cases, you either gotta weld with the land or take the time to grind the land down
You guys are a great duo
Yall need to call Jody and get some tig fingers!
coors1800 I’ve told them that once before.
They woukd if they needed them
Lol
This was awesome I like to feed on ss, and 625, but lay on carbon. This definitely was nice to watch and thank you guys for the content.
Great instructional!
Dude I have learned soooo damn much from watching your videos !!! Ur one bad ass welder
Really cool seeing you guys work together, both great welders. But....
Maybe more focus on why each of you use the techniques and specks you do. My students love your videos. I enjoy them too.
The reasoning for the heat actually being lower for the face is travel speed.
Bob has to run just a bit slower do to their being an edge. If he ran hotter, he would have to run faster and less likely to break down both walls.
The knife edge, needs more heat to help up the travel speed. The wall breaks down faster, so you need to be moving faster. If you’re to cold, that wall make not break down good, or make you sit in one spot to long and allow extra heat build up.
I like these prono styled videos... Different angles and different strokes for different types of folks video format!
You're only missing that 70's theme music while you're laying the pipe!
Thank You! Great Video!
you guys really know how to make welding to be fun
Definitely learning alot
Great tips and tricks guys!
I worked at a fab shop and we got 90's T's and all kinds of schd 40, 80, and 160 fittings and they had the laborers take a tiger paw and knock off the landing then take them to the blast cabinet before going to the pipe shop to get rocked out
I’m a 15 year automotive window film installer. I bought a home with my wife in the country. Tinting is slow out here compared to the city. I have been watching these videos a bunch. I am 34. Do you have any advice for me I am thinking about going to welding school. My grandpa is a welder. Idk? Something is saying do it. I love tinting cars! Do you LOVE welding? Do you get excited waking up for work? Or is it just another job? You guys hanging out welding seems fun and all. But I saw a guy welding in the cold outside. It’s cold in Colorado. I’m not sure if I wana be out in the cold all the time? Pros? Cons? Opinion? Is it to late for me to learn? I suck at math. lol
Too late for weld school in honest opinion. At 34 I think it would be best to try to get a job as a helper and learn on the job. That way you are also making money.
Hopefully you have already made a move on learning a trade because the truth is… no one wants to be a 40 year old labor
very nice video! Thanks for your work
It’s in there bob, yuppp, aww awwww bob cracks me up
No matter the prep you have to get the tungsten out on the bevels
When I throw a couple of welds down I wait like 5-10 mins maybe more to let the plate cool down and go back to welding with the same amps and oxygen
Amazing welding that giant beaver gap.
Good video , I would have kinda liked to see the point of veiw shots while you're welding, look at the back of the bead while your welding doesn't help as much , also bob can you talk a little more about your work history, was just curious , good vid take care youtube friends!
We could do with a video on cup angle for different materials and free hand or walking the cup and different weld types and the affect on cup angle ??
Could you please do a flux core, overhead video please? I work for a shipbuilding and repair company and I’m currently struggling with overhead 2 runs showing.
Thanks ..good job
So wait a second... you’re sticking the rod through your gap to weld the far side?
I’m no welder but always interested so you can imagine my awe! Lol pretty badass.
Is this a common method or just used in a certain situation?
Very common.
Bob is a welding guru,
I love lay wire technique if im too flat I push wire on my hot pass to get a little more reinforcement
Hey bro. Can you make a vid showing how you push the filler wire with your thumb using left and right hand. I heard bob says that he is rolling the filler wire when supplying the filler wire. Im interested with your technique because im having a hard time supplying the filler wire when doing the root. I cant get the proper root penetration because it is only flush and didnt push more filler wire there.
Darwin Espiritu you want to be flush. Its ok to have little reinforcement but flush is always better. Less turbulence in the pipe when product flows. That is why people who leave large nuggets fail.
Darwin Espiritu ｄ
Collaborating brothers. Goodtimes.
i love the way
you guys teach as
Passion is welding 🥽 my life
Great video! But honestly....it all comes down to what the WPS says.
These guys are good
Mr Moffatt you have a twin who looks exactly like you and the exact same speech pattern and voice. I had to keep looking to make sure you weren't the guy I know here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. BTW great video and info.
Give that handsome dude my best! Lol.... Poor guy
And another twin of n in Princeton West Virginia. He’s also a welder.
Could pass as twins.
First thing i was thaught in welding by Mr. Dusseldorp. Was there is always more then one wat. Hey em all and built on what Duits jou best.
Learn to do them both, doesn't hurt.
IDK when I was a young pup I used to watch my dad do that with an oxy acetylene torch..
Do what?
Carlos Alvarez tig weld almost the same except one is an electrode with shielding gas and the other is a gas torch, you can weld with a torch and braze weld too.
@@Thelegitrager I know the difference between brazing and tig. I do both. Carls comment isn't very clear. I was asking exactly what did he see his dad do.
Yo man, love your content would love to get a one on one chat, I live in New Orleans how can I get in contact with you or what’s your next event?
More than one way to skin a cat ... as they say. Good video.
So pretty much, walk the cup a close to tangent to pipes curve, in the groove though.
I had a question, when tacking ur fit up "4 tacks at each quadrant" Do you penetrate your tacks then feather ends and then tie in to them? Or do you completely grind them out and reweld them?
Depends on the tack. If it is a penetrated tack - feather the end you tie in to. I it is a bridge tack - cut out. I started on pipeline this week and ran into 8" pipe for the first time in my life( before it was boiler work with 2" pipe) and the first two days a had a hard time with the standart placement of the tacks - 12, 6, 9, and 3. I would weld the bottom first ( from 6 to 9 and from 6 to 3) and after that would go for the top. But it would close on me insanely- from a lose 5/32 to 0.080" and I couldn't do anything about that. Then I've found a video with Bob explaining fitup stuff and there he would mention his preference on tack placement - 12, 10 and 2 o'clock. Works perfectly, no shrinking at all.
My leather on my outlaw hood doesnt stand up like that, it sags and I hate it, burns my face and my neck, which ones do I need to buy to get that stand up leather
Ragazzi siete i numeri 1!!
me gusta como enseñan gracias porque aprendo las tecnicas de soldar
Is the older gent qualified on const tickets or a school inst ?
Gotta say the camera men really hit it good this time. It was much easier to see your filler manipulation compared to the usual video
Do you guys teach the lay wire technique? If not, why not? Just asking. Thanks
Since Bob had to mention it, I'd like to hear more about the air marshalls issue lol
Are the amps still the same with land and no land
Good shit as always!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video thanks from Portugal...
Can you guys show how to weld with flux coated stainless steel tig filler wire would like to see how to be more efficient with it you guys kick ass 👊🏻👍🏻
Awesome video
What gas flow would you recommend on this
Can you make a video using 1/16 fluxcore wire nobody has videos of actual 1/16 fluxcore arc shots
When you quarter, why do you weld from 6-3 then 6-9 or going down 12-3 then 12-9. If I quarter I go 12-3 then 9-6 and visa versa.
Sería más que excelente que lo subtitularan. Saludos...!
Bob , what brand cap is that your wearing ? I like the deep caps to pull completly over my ears
Coolhand Luke www.axbrycaps.store
"old man can still weld a bit" me watching a weld 1000x better than any 1g ive ever done 😢
I like this young gun.
1/8 in smell it wow using all senses
Can u make a video on how to setup the 305 wire in the field
Please run multiple pass flex core duel shield, with 1\ 16 wire.
Could not see the last part walking the cup due to camera not on spot
Poned traducción al español por favor,teneis un gran canal!un abrazo a todos y gracias.
But you must learn an English bra ,,,,coz it's an international language to communicate,,,, because me too I'd like bra Bob to translate with my own mother tounge language called isiXhosa from Eastern Cape in 🇿🇦 & u will get lost,,, English suits us all,,, It's not personal I'm just saying,,,,
Hamar always trying to talk while Bob is talking.. Lol
Just for clarification since I'm still learning: Is a land when the sharp point of the bevel is ground at a steeper angle, taking away the "sharp" edge of the bevel? Also can somebody explain what a "feathered edge" is? I thought I could figure it out from the close Ups and arc-shots but I'm still unsure. Thanks
Land is the face of the bevel after you grind it. They act as heat syncs. They hold your “heat”. Feathering is grinding your tacks so you can tie into your starts and stops on that tack. You typically want the starts of your tacks “feathered out” with a grinder so that your bead can burn through the beginning of your start (feathered edge) then pop out when the integrity of the bead is at its max full potential to get a perfect tie it. Your key hole grinds should just be the center of the bead and not into the bevel where your key hole ended. You take the high part of the bead out so you can get full penetration into your existing bead once you get your rod going. You don’t want to grind the key hole at all because if you take anything past your keyhole, you’re grinding your land away (heat sink), then you have to change your heat or your rod manipulation. To be honest, this is my 6010 root advice and not TIG. They should be close but I’m just a welder.lol
.......and here I thought the land was a flat on the end of the pipe. Bob's preferred land is visible at 17:29. .....and the feathered edge was a sharp edge on the pipe wall.