“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” ― Malcolm X
@@annaw982 It's just controlled opposition. It's still division. Trump is a Jesuit who went to Fordham, a Jesuit school. Fauci is also a Jesuit. Their motto is divide and conquer. I suggest you research them. You can start by finding Eric777 and Gematria Effect News interview, about 5 weeks ago.
The bias of this reporter is crude & unfortunately says more about his agenda than it does about Libyan society at that time. Journalism used to be about asking questions & seeking understanding rather than pushing a preconceived narrative.
humanati this kind of journalism is a pile of shit ... why doesn't he interview the man on the street instead of shoving us with his propaganda filth ...
good journalism is getting to the truth. its not a platform for people interviewed to spread their propaganda. I am not a supporter of western policies nor am I a supporter of kadaffi. you are nothing more than useful idiots if you support this madman just because he stood up to the west.
@@andyb3666where u a vic?? Cuz last I checked every Libyan Ik says he was great n only people who he did anything to were terrorists or sex offenders or traitors. So ur j spreading rumors bout a dead man dat u ain kno nun bout n hv j heard stuff on media sources known to cap🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
A Peoples Congress sounds to me, a true Democracy and the perfect way to govern a country. Here in the UK as in so many other countries we elect our MP's but once they are at Westminster they generally follow their "party line" and "we the people" have no say whatsoever in what they do and how they ultimately govern our country !
I lived in Tripoli, Libya, during the early 80's. I was paid well and punctually. I understood that the local people received good salaries, paid no rent, or services bills. A newly married couple received free housing. Travel and education was permitted to the Soviet bloc countries, though not so easily to Western countries. Women seemed less oppressed than in other Arab states. There seemed to be little private enterprise, though my impression was that in the city, no one went hungry. The people were summoned to local committees where votes were taken on issues ranging from the colour of Ahmed's front door to the proposed attack of a USA carrier offshore. Decisions were taken by a show of hands, counted by the organisers. I noticed that discussions were heated and long regarding Ahmed's front door , less so on attacking the USA. I have to admit to living nervously, and watched my tongue carefully, especially where politices were concerned. I think the same was true of my "minder" and Libyan friends, who may have been assigned to me. I think anyone trying to organise an overthrow or serious political opposition would be risking their lives or at least their liberty. And it is true that rumours of punishments or oppression tended to make me feel a little paranoid, even though I had no ill intentions and was not politically critical. I agree with the TV crew that I was also relieved to leave the country, but would maintain that there are at least two sides to every story, and a documentary of the Libyan people prior to the Gadaffi period would be even more shocking.
Also the people outside of cities must be very happy while drilling oil or constructing things for you citizens, 24/7. They must be happy if you were happy inside the city, no matter if others lived in tents in desert.
He was killed brutally because America and Europe at that very specific time is/was in a mood to set an example so no other oil rich Arab ruler may dare to challenge the authority of the west. So Qaddifi was most inhumanly, brutally rather barbarically killed. He was an enlightened dictator and he greately contributed for the well being of the Libyans. Libyans started remembering him with good name. He was in fact, the guardian of Libyian oil and his decision of selling oil in gold standar was right. The root cause of world poverty is Europe and America. Every year millions of ton food is wasted by the Christian western. The west is not ready to provide food and eatables to the poor, destitute and deprived people, the world over. World Bank, IMF and other IFIs are the tools of exploitation of the West. The west consider and portray itself the champion of human rights and democracy, in fact, west is the staunchest enemy of human rights and democracy. They are exploiting the world under the guise of democracy and human rights. Condolizza Rice former US Secretary of State in one of her articles which was published in 'Washington Post' categoriclly admitted this fact that wherever and wherever the American interests (economic or political etc.) will be in jeopardy, US at once will discard and ignore 'democracy and human rights'. Democracy and human rights have no place in American foreign policy.
@@littleshit3526: We are still living in the era of American and European imperialism. According to Noam Chomsky, "Americ is the main hindrance of world peace and prosperity."
@@littleshit3526: Noam Chomsky in one of his interviews said. " America is the main hindrance to world peace and prosperity." It's an open secret now that America is a rogue state, for maintaining American dominance, they are toppling the lawful regimes and starting civil wars in different parts of the world.
It shows the type of person when he’s bored with the steel mill, they are showing their modern industry as stability in face of the sanctions and he wants to see a party.
Isn't that just like an ignorant privileged man who would rather be entertained than educated. He was there to work wasn't he? Had he no curiosity as a reporter? Earlier he complained about what they would not allow photographed. Now they show off their industry and he has no interest. Can't be satisfied.
@@theresewalters1696 Yeah, I hate opinion reporting too, everyone knows Arab countries don't have strong manufacturing, so it's a big achievement, but they don't care they just wanted to take down Gaddafi
He went there with a narrative and was determined to make events fit his narrative. When that was became tough he resorted to outright lies Like making out the reps were taking them here there and everywhere as not to let them see the truth when it was quite obviously a trade delegation, hence they were shown industry. Looking for investment. And for all the talk of being banned from film, you never once said out heard anyone say you're not allowed to film. In these type of things you normally see that every two minutes.
it still makes my blood boil to see clintons smug face with her we came we saw speech followed by laughing in glee at the public lynching. any other comment i could make about the situation in libya has been put much better in the comment section already, rip brother
There is NO such thing as a good dictator. But as far as dictators go, Gaddafi was the nicest of them all. He really loved and looked after those who supported him. He gave most of Libyas population free healthcare, free housing, free overseas studying, free electricity and a share in all oil profits aswell as start up marriage aid in the form of a free apartment to all newly wed couples. Plus, he completely eradicated homlessness for 85% of the population. But for the 15% of the population who opposed him life was brutal. Like I said, there is NO such thing as a good dictator. But the Libyans who turned against him were stupid as he was the nicest dictator that ever lived. The Libyans chose Western installed democracy over the very generous benefits of Gaddafis regime. Today Libyans are much worse of as they no longer receive all of the benefits they used to receive before his was overthrown as the funding has been completely cut. Gaddafi regime collapsed, and so did the generous benefits that Libyans received from the regime.
You didn't need to oppose him to experience his brutality, what about all the horrendous crimes against children he committed for years? What did they possibly do to him to deserve that!
@@andyb3666 Bullshit. Stop lying to people The only children Gaddafi killed were the children of his opponents - and they were simply killed as a result of crossfire. Gaddafis forces were always ordered to shoot at his opponents houses when they failed to comply. They were given plenty of warning and Gaddafis forces were actually quite patient with people who opposed him. Obviously they and their entire families would be killed if they did not surrender arms and agree to stop opposing him. Effectively they committed suicide by opposing him. They were freedom fighters who ultimately paid with their lives for wanting western style democracy. Like i said, there is NO such thing as a good dictator. Gaddafi NEVER tolerated people who wanted western style democracy. The chidren are casualties of a ideological war that the freedom fighters chose to fight in the name of freedom. Gaddafi message was simple. Support me and i will love you and give you more benefits than any leader in history. But if you mess with me, then you entire family will be killed. So basically, anyone wanting democracy and freedom was definitely commiting suicide by standing against Gaddafi. That was the mindset of Gaddafi.
This was one, if not the, most biased propaganda based pieces of filmmaking ive ever witnessed. As a filmmaker i feel for this guy, and not having the freedom to travel freely and film whatever he pleases for his story is a drag. But as a brit, he has to have some restraint and understanding of where that state concern or ‘paranoia’ is coming from. Brits and the west were not exactly loved by gadaffi at the time and couldn’t be trusted to present a fair and balanced image of Libya to the west. And coming from his pathetically overdramatic prejudiced narration throughout the film, the Libyans were right in their concern. Even still he managed to show, against his will, the raw support of the masses for their leader, the effectiveness of the congress and democratic system, the economic growth of the economy and the charisma of the leader. This is what the west fears. And their right to fear it. Because it doesn’t pander to their maniacal and despotic foreign policy of world control. The more i learn about this guy the more intrigued i am and more sure that we lost something great when he was taken out by the west.
I wish we had more accurate information on this time in Libya. Everything they're saying about representative democracy is correct, the American people are learning this now and throughout time. People like to call the Jamahiriya a police state and all, and it did seem odd that they weren't allowed to film on the drive (maybe this was a military measure so that American/western spies couldn't photograph the landscape/roads/structures as intel?). Did the direct democracy really work? Were people actually free? Everything about this place seems to be biased and tainted, and it's extremely hard to find people of Libyan descent or that lived through this era to ask them. Other Arabs I've met have their own views (not all good, actually usually NOT good), but these are people from other countries that are more archaic and/or traditional, so a socialist-democratic state to them would appear the same way it does to traditional Americans. If any Libyans are watching, please comment on your thoughts about this time period and how it REALLY was. As someone that has worked in Washington DC and seen the special interests and oligarchical behavior in action, I'm inspired by Muammar Gaddafi and the system he conjured up. Not only him, but Third Way politicians from other countries too.
read many statements from Libyans who constantly said that his rule was very oppressive, they talked about how their relatives were detained for no reason and not even allowed proper legal counsel, they talked about how, even though everyone boasts about the free healthcare and education, the quality was really really low. often Libyans would have to go to neighboring countries to seek treatment for anything more than the basic cold and flu. Recall one particular case where the family had to go abroad to get treatment for something as common as diabetes, and eventually lost the individual at a very young age of 24. They talked about the unnecessary war in Chad that ruined many lives on both sides. They talked about public executions carried out by his regime against anyone who opposed him. So, yeah he wasnt the best of leaders but didnt deserve to die as ruthlessly as he did. deserved a fair judgment in the court, not imminent death at the hands of barbarians, although one would argue he himself didn't allow the unlawfully detained prisoners a chance at fair judgment.
@@linusmayden8465 I think there is only 1 alive. I know 1 had died the same day Gaddafi did, another one was being torchered for a long time in the libyan desert (no idea what his current status is) and then there is the one who is running for elections.
half way through I gather that the documentary is attempting to portray the idea that Libyan officials demanded that the cameras were contained and the footage was controlled. People may be poor but they are not stupid. They know that perception is everything and the government and the people want to protect themselves, their resources, and the image of a growing nation. That is the idea proposed by the producers, however, they seem to be most involved in the controlling of the narrative and poking fun of footage that seems to me only honest attempts by the Libyan leaders to organize. Western journalists are worse. I don't care if Gadaffi droned on like a Clinton Shill to the African committee or if the women from the television assembly were indoctrinated, fed happy pills, and selected for the stick figure reporter. The video is three sets of 2 second clips of men rubbing their eyes. What a childish and unprofessional depiction in a place where sophistication is what the people are lacking but striving for. Ridiculous that we let our media get away with this for decades and now it is in the past.
Yep the common liberal hypocrisy of “you are dumb and poor and don’t know how you should live your lives and organize yourselves and should emulate your societies as we do for us to see you as equals”. No different than Roman superiority complex.
This type of "journalism" is one of many reasons why people are slowly but surely distancing themselves from mainstream media and seek out RUclips creators, or podcasts where we can still find decent reporting.
I am a Libyan .. I'm still in it I'm in tripoli... We know real men by a fucking look and we respect them as they respect us.. we wasn't a good host to this reporter and his team because we knew this reporter is a motherF#@#. U can see that in the vid .. how he talks and how lived there. Edit.. Moammar gaddafi was a fucking hard rock against many of what the world is suffering from now.. that's why the plan was "he must go"
Obama has said Libya is a mess today and he called it the greatest regret of his Presidency. Libya was my no means a free society under Gaddafi but he did do much to develop Libya. It is easy watching this documentary to forget the Arab Spring. Gaddadi ordering the AIr Force to be used for what amounted to was riot control. In his last interview Gaddafi looked drugged feel for the poor people of Libya. Such a stunning country.
Libyan anti war all day rally in NYC of 4-5 thousand.Met so many Libyans who were wonderful.Music,food,speeches.Gadaffi attended via huge screen zoom to send his love and to thank us.Police blockades everywhere bomb squads kept moving crowds around and 0 msm coverage of event.Dressed all in Green,still have my No Libya War placard.No fly zone declared soon after and Gadaffi was brutally murdered.Dreamt I met him shortly before his death,lucid dream.We were down in lower manhattan heading to the SI ferry,he said he couldn't make it,though I begged him to not give up.He smiled said he'd never surrender,yet as a human he was worn out from human tragedy he saw everyday to his nation and the world.He fought the good fight and heaven greeted him with trumpets of Glory.~RIPHERO~
It is not like there is only two choices. Either democracy or police state / dictatorship. There are hybrids, which is what Libya was. Their standards of living cannot be compared with say, Europe for example. But they never had any intention of mimicking our socities. They have their own culture, values and way of life. The annoying thing about us people in the west. Is that we expect that people should aim to live like us, and if they don't. They must exist in sorry states, poverty and repression and have to be liberated. Exactly what has caused the turmoil and ceaseless wars and conflicts of interests.
Has this guy never seen a developing post-colonial country before? What is his objection? It's weird and boring? It had a stagnating economy and clumsy foreighn relations but there was infrastructure and it was still one of the more developed countries in africa with at least a stated goal of democracy. This is just western paternalism. Not that there aren't legitimate criticisms, but the more you see the critiques made by the west, the more you conclude Libya under Gaddafi was obviously preferable to a failed state, and perhaps a very promising project given it's history.
He keeps talking about how they’re worried about foreign press ONLY to demonstrate and prove exactly why, because the press twists and shows the narrative they chose to.
The Green Book's section, on the establishment of Jamahiriya - direct democracy, allows for Muslim Ummah to eventually have an opening to generally elect in the future a combined Muslim successor (5th Khalif). Yes, 5th Khalif theory through the establishment of Modern Islamic Democracy while building a post-scarcity scientific society. I am sure the pro-scientific society from the Abbasid dynasty will be resurrected. The previous is necessary for the survival of humanity.
@@davidhat2446 how is that? I only mentioned it because the EFF in South Africa mentioned it. It influenced a pan-african vision. As for strictly Marxist-Leninist angle, it practices democratic centralism however without a Leninist vanguard party group. It lacks some aspects of complete nationalization of the market and industries within Libya. It was not strictly economic socialist but it was leaning towards it with open experimentation with traditional Islamic viewpoints.
This has to be the worst reporter in ABC's history. everything he said is far from reality, he tries so hard to create this negative image about Libya. But one thing he cant hide or alter is the happieness of Libyan people, especially women. Peace and happiness is something Libyans may never have again.
Libya was a popular democracy, people were very happy with the similar standard of living as in Saudi Arabia, but the Anglo-French invasion supported by Obama has destroyed the country.
Saudi Arabia ?? There life was as good as people in Switzerland the Netherlands and Scandinavia even better , they had free electricity free gas and more
Gaddafi was neither president or prime minister since 1977. Since then Libya was runned by Libyan people's committee. All decisions were done by the people not Gaddafi.
What an appalling unprofessional and contemptible remark for a...” journalist “...to make....” all sorts of strange people “. A condescending, boringly predictable, right-wing Australian who would, doubtless, never dare to dream of describing delegates to Davos in such rude terms.
These people will praise far right militias in the US for "resisting" government tyranny but when a non-western leader literally puts popular militias in place of his loyal military he is a dictator. The double standards are baffling.
This was a terrible doc... Why would someone post this. They obviously failed to get any meaningful information, so thanks for sharing your non-information??
Why do you see it acceptable to mock our way of administration and how we choose to live? Why must the entire world adopt what you see right? Or else they’re seen as undereducated and worthless? Why can’t you leave the people of the world to lead a life as they please and mind your own White House and Congress?
That is the Wrong question for this video. Qaddafi was a leader who helped average men and women of Libya. Prior to Qaddafi Libyans lived and struggled Under the yoke of colonialism which was cruel and evil and no Western ever complain about that. Think about it.
Very well said. And you think they will raise that point ( which points the finger at their own colonising country) He'd be lucky to have a job after it
We did not see the question "so.. how often does Gaddafi intervene or have an opinion regarding internal policy?" I have a funny feeling the answer was "not often!" I cant think why such a great journalist would have forgotten to ask that question especially as his entire piece was about it..... maybe they had to edit it out to fit in more images of him sulking.. or looking bored.. while people debated....... forgive him, as a UK journalist he is not used to watching people having real debates..... needs a bit of drama and theatre..... more made up stuff..
One might possibly find fault with some of his personal lifestyle choices, but the Colonel was a great statesman. Bob ran his country right into the ground and kept his foot on the accelerator long after the vehicle had stopped moving, the tires had burned off, the fuel tank was empty, and the currency had been taken off life support. Mo hosted a boxing match and did very well with exports during his tenure, but the downside is: it was the GDP into his Swiss bank accounts. Jean-Bé? Ate children. Idi? Not proven. Just to name a few
5:38 one voice cried out "Harira phalistine". Even in the face of our own oppression and conflicts, us northafricans always look to the world and our brothers. Free Palestine.
Libya wasn't a true democracy it had many flaws, the democracy was on paper only. Some people might agree some won't, but anyone intelligent enough can realize libya was better with gaddafi then what it is right now.
No matter what it was, it was certainly way better than the mess it has become now after western intervention that led to his assassination. Actually, Libyans lived better lives than many people in western countries why Khadafi was leading the country. I am happy that those ungrateful traitors are suffering now
I love the idea of not having representation but ourselves as commitees do the work. But either way you make it, it can still be controlled to confirm a certain outcome.
this video explains why war didnt stop in Lybia after the US took out Gadafi the figure head clearly not the leader The US tried putting a representative government but the Libyans clearly wants none of it
Gaddafi did not invent anything this system already existed in the tribes. Gaddafi just applied a tribal system in a modern state. In addition the number of citizens is very small, only 5 million !!!
I am interested in getting to know more about this people congress system Libya had. Can someone please provide me with some more detailed sources about it?
What, no biased Western journalist hosting the video, oh,wait, you're right that's totally what it was, they likely knew those in the bus were there to create a hit piece on Libya, Gaddafi and to demonise a Socialist style system run by... actually run by the people not elected politicians. The one talking was so depressed he couldn't write his hit piece, they saw him coming a mile away, his entire attitude sucked and frankly correct me if wrong, but disdain of Libyans was what I got from his style. Gaddafi was never a dictator, but a central Leader they, his people respected.
He was the eccentric grey area, but at least he tried to project democratic values. It wasn’t a complete facade like when Saddam Hussein held elections. He did implement democratic processes and social reforms, but he acted unilaterally whenever he needed something. Libya still could have provided some kind of model for Africa and the Middle East. It could have raised the bar. The nuclear scare spooked us. We could have compromised in a way that didn’t look like we were selling out our own values. It’s hard. Hopefully all this confusing social networking technology will improve communication in the future instead of fueling propaganda.
@@fakename3608 Yes. I'm as wrong as Gaddafi is. Before his death, the reporters asked him to escape to England so that he could be protected. He looked at the crowds attacking and getting closer to his place and said that they are Al-Qaida and that he had no role in it. They killed Gaddafi, but they are terrorists and his people who rule could not protect him. And I'm wrong as well because the military in Myanmar have killed the people of Myanmar.
Idk enough or what’s real about Gaddafi to judge him but one thing I did hear him say was the US democracy isn’t real democracy cause things should be more community decisions. Our founding fathers wanted this country to be a Republic, not world police.
There's no lying that what Gaddafi did to Libya was amazing, creating a state of classlessness and stabilizing and modernising a backward nation. But he offered this at the cost of freedom of speech, an immovable right. I don't believe the West should've intervened, but I can completely understand why the Libyan people stood up to him
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
Trump supporter....We Agree, why? Let's think about it. Why does the media despise President Trump?
@@annaw982 Because the media feel guilty for creating him
@@annaw982 It's just controlled opposition. It's still division. Trump is a Jesuit who went to Fordham, a Jesuit school. Fauci is also a Jesuit. Their motto is divide and conquer. I suggest you research them. You can start by finding Eric777 and Gematria Effect News interview, about 5 weeks ago.
@@Nahasapasa ruclips.net/video/q6NOszBJoVE/видео.html ---C.I.A Manipulation of the U.S. News Media
@@catsincredulous9998 Trump is a Presbyterian. Presbyterians can't join the Society of Jesus.
The reporter tries his best to push Libya to the negative side, but the video speaks for itself.
And what else do you expect from an Australian reporter?
The bias of this reporter is crude & unfortunately says more about his agenda than it does about Libyan society at that time. Journalism used to be about asking questions & seeking understanding rather than pushing a preconceived narrative.
humanati
this kind of journalism is a pile of shit ...
why doesn't he interview the man on the street instead of shoving us with his propaganda filth ...
humanati , he came to judge media is nobodies friend.
good journalism is getting to the truth. its not a platform for people interviewed to spread their propaganda. I am not a supporter of western policies nor am I a supporter of kadaffi. you are nothing more than useful idiots if you support this madman just because he stood up to the west.
Corporate western media is no better than globalist Pravda. Real journalism is dead and probably never existed. Remember William Randolph Hearst?
@@realniggashit3 Hearst was certainly not an example for good journalism
Libya will forever look back at this man and feel regret for what they did to him libya lost in 2011
they do....
They should, shame on everyone who is responsible for making the coupe possible
Maybe so but will be only those Libyans who either they, or their friends or family, weren't victim to his horrific human rights violations
@@andyb3666where u a vic?? Cuz last I checked every Libyan Ik says he was great n only people who he did anything to were terrorists or sex offenders or traitors. So ur j spreading rumors bout a dead man dat u ain kno nun bout n hv j heard stuff on media sources known to cap🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Libyans? I thought the blame should squarely be on the Americans
He is so biased, yet he said something so right “here’s a man who’s is charged of nothing “ true freedom! RIP general Gaddafi.
More like burn in hell dictator Gaddafi
A Peoples Congress sounds to me, a true Democracy and the perfect way to govern a country. Here in the UK as in so many other countries we elect our MP's but once they are at Westminster they generally follow their "party line" and "we the people" have no say whatsoever in what they do and how they ultimately govern our country !
Peter so how did it work ? Please tell me ?
How did what work ?
Leaks show that Blairite/Apartheidist Labour deliberately sabotaged Corbyn in 2019 and the prior election.
@@Peter-nv3wu the true Democratic Popel's Congresses that kept the same man is power or 40 years ? How did they work ?
You really expect the people's congress to be actual democratic people? That's only selected supporters lol
I lived in Tripoli, Libya, during the early 80's. I was paid well and punctually. I understood that the local people received good salaries, paid no rent, or services bills. A newly married couple received free housing. Travel and education was permitted to the Soviet bloc countries, though not so easily to Western countries. Women seemed less oppressed than in other Arab states. There seemed to be little private enterprise, though my impression was that in the city, no one went hungry. The people were summoned to local committees where votes were taken on issues ranging from the colour of Ahmed's front door to the proposed attack of a USA carrier offshore. Decisions were taken by a show of hands, counted by the organisers. I noticed that discussions were heated and long regarding Ahmed's front door , less so on attacking the USA. I have to admit to living nervously, and watched my tongue carefully, especially where politices were concerned. I think the same was true of my "minder" and Libyan friends, who may have been assigned to me. I think anyone trying to organise an overthrow or serious political opposition would be risking their lives or at least their liberty. And it is true that rumours of punishments or oppression tended to make me feel a little paranoid, even though I had no ill intentions and was not politically critical. I agree with the TV crew that I was also relieved to leave the country, but would maintain that there are at least two sides to every story, and a documentary of the Libyan people prior to the Gadaffi period would be even more shocking.
Isn't interesting that such an unbiased and intelligent recollection of first hand experience, has been totally ignored?
Also the people outside of cities must be very happy while drilling oil or constructing things for you citizens, 24/7. They must be happy if you were happy inside the city, no matter if others lived in tents in desert.
you were obviously living in cloud cuckoo land steve !
@@davidhat2446 Really, Dave. What makes you say that?
Ahmed’s front door 💀
He was killed brutally because America and Europe at that very specific time is/was in a mood to set an example so no other oil rich Arab ruler may dare to challenge the authority of the west. So Qaddifi was most inhumanly, brutally rather barbarically killed. He was an enlightened dictator and he greately contributed for the well being of the Libyans. Libyans started remembering him with good name. He was in fact, the guardian of Libyian oil and his decision of selling oil in gold standar was right.
The root cause of world poverty is Europe and America. Every year millions of ton food is wasted by the Christian western. The west is not ready to provide food and eatables to the poor, destitute and deprived people, the world over. World Bank, IMF and other IFIs are the tools of exploitation of the West. The west consider and portray itself the champion of human rights and democracy, in fact, west is the staunchest enemy of human rights and democracy. They are exploiting the world under the guise of democracy and human rights. Condolizza Rice former US Secretary of State in one of her articles which was published in 'Washington Post' categoriclly admitted this fact that wherever and wherever the American interests (economic or political etc.) will be in jeopardy, US at once will discard and ignore 'democracy and human rights'. Democracy and human rights have no place in American foreign policy.
Gaddafi was killed like a dog, even though he did so much for the country...RIP Muammar Qaddafi, Africa's most respected general.
@@littleshit3526: We are still living in the era of American and European imperialism. According to Noam Chomsky, "Americ is the main hindrance of world peace and prosperity."
@@littleshit3526: Noam Chomsky in one of his interviews said. " America is the main hindrance to world peace and prosperity." It's an open secret now that America is a rogue state, for maintaining American dominance, they are toppling the lawful regimes and starting civil wars in different parts of the world.
@@aleempervaiz8789 noam is a troll.
They hardly care about poor people in their own countries. Speaks volumes
Seeing Libya and Qaddafi through westernized lenses gives a skewed vision of the truth.
Looked pretty awesome. Now it's a fucking hellhole since it's "liberation".
*its. But I concur
Not really you only got to see what they wanted you to see
They tried so hard to make this man to appear like a oppressor
Of course he was an oppressor. His own people confirmed it ruclips.net/video/7heWIuEJcS4/видео.html
Honestly
Fr. Just because his righteous pan-African ideas posed a threet to them.
Tried? I would say they succeeded
Because he was lol ☠️😑 @@Albert_Einstein_not
It shows the type of person when he’s bored with the steel mill, they are showing their modern industry as stability in face of the sanctions and he wants to see a party.
Isn't that just like an ignorant privileged man who would rather be entertained than educated.
He was there to work wasn't he? Had he no curiosity as a reporter?
Earlier he complained about what they would not allow photographed. Now they show off their industry and he has no interest.
Can't be satisfied.
@@theresewalters1696 Yeah, I hate opinion reporting too, everyone knows Arab countries don't have strong manufacturing, so it's a big achievement, but they don't care they just wanted to take down Gaddafi
@@Beam_Teamer middle eastern countries like Kuwait,Saudi,Iran,Egypt,Morroco have amazing industrial sectors. wtf are you on about ??
@@NEELNEILNEELE ruclips.net/video/du-4BdnOiFI/видео.html
Viva Gaddafi!
Viva the corpse of Gaddafi.
Gaddafi will live in our hearts
Allah Muammar Libya wa bas
He went there with a narrative and was determined to make events fit his narrative. When that was became tough he resorted to outright lies
Like making out the reps were taking them here there and everywhere as not to let them see the truth when it was quite obviously a trade delegation, hence they were shown industry. Looking for investment. And for all the talk of being banned from film, you never once said out heard anyone say you're not allowed to film. In these type of things you normally see that every two minutes.
Lybia was soo beautiful with this man
wasn't a saint but Libya prospered with him
When Gaddafi died, he said he would take Libya's greatness with him. He did!
He absolutely did, sad indeed
it still makes my blood boil to see clintons smug face with her we came we saw speech followed by laughing in glee at the public lynching. any other comment i could make about the situation in libya has been put much better in the comment section already, rip brother
You call this documentary? I call this whining.
Or ranting...
There is NO such thing as a good dictator.
But as far as dictators go, Gaddafi was the nicest of them all.
He really loved and looked after those who supported him.
He gave most of Libyas population
free healthcare, free housing, free overseas studying, free electricity and a share in all oil profits aswell as start up marriage aid in the form of a free apartment to all newly wed couples.
Plus, he completely eradicated homlessness for 85% of the population.
But for the 15% of the population who opposed him life was brutal.
Like I said, there is NO such thing as a good dictator.
But the Libyans who turned against him were stupid as he was the nicest dictator that ever lived.
The Libyans chose Western installed democracy over the very generous benefits of Gaddafis regime.
Today Libyans are much worse of as they no longer receive all of the benefits they used to receive before his was overthrown as the funding has been completely cut.
Gaddafi regime collapsed, and so did the generous benefits that Libyans received from the regime.
You didn't need to oppose him to experience his brutality, what about all the horrendous crimes against children he committed for years? What did they possibly do to him to deserve that!
@@andyb3666
Bullshit.
Stop lying to people
The only children Gaddafi killed were the children of his opponents - and they were simply killed as a result of crossfire.
Gaddafis forces were always ordered to shoot at his opponents houses when they failed to comply.
They were given plenty of warning and Gaddafis forces were actually quite patient with people who opposed him.
Obviously they and their entire families would be killed if they did not surrender arms and agree to stop opposing him.
Effectively they committed suicide by opposing him.
They were freedom fighters who ultimately paid with their lives for wanting western style democracy.
Like i said, there is NO such thing as a good dictator.
Gaddafi NEVER tolerated people who wanted western style democracy.
The chidren are casualties of a ideological war that the freedom fighters chose to fight in the name of freedom.
Gaddafi message was simple.
Support me and i will love you and give you more benefits than any leader in history.
But if you mess with me, then you entire family will be killed.
So basically, anyone wanting democracy and freedom was definitely commiting suicide by standing against Gaddafi.
That was the mindset of Gaddafi.
It was a popular democracy not a police state
If his role was so wrong ,look at britain with the queen and family who are 10x worse
This was one, if not the, most biased propaganda based pieces of filmmaking ive ever witnessed. As a filmmaker i feel for this guy, and not having the freedom to travel freely and film whatever he pleases for his story is a drag. But as a brit, he has to have some restraint and understanding of where that state concern or ‘paranoia’ is coming from. Brits and the west were not exactly loved by gadaffi at the time and couldn’t be trusted to present a fair and balanced image of Libya to the west. And coming from his pathetically overdramatic prejudiced narration throughout the film, the Libyans were right in their concern. Even still he managed to show, against his will, the raw support of the masses for their leader, the effectiveness of the congress and democratic system, the economic growth of the economy and the charisma of the leader. This is what the west fears. And their right to fear it. Because it doesn’t pander to their maniacal and despotic foreign policy of world control. The more i learn about this guy the more intrigued i am and more sure that we lost something great when he was taken out by the west.
This documentary is essentially Britain taking the opportunity to poke fun of exactly what their 13 colonies did in independence.
The guy is Australian Yankee idiot
I wish we had more accurate information on this time in Libya. Everything they're saying about representative democracy is correct, the American people are learning this now and throughout time. People like to call the Jamahiriya a police state and all, and it did seem odd that they weren't allowed to film on the drive (maybe this was a military measure so that American/western spies couldn't photograph the landscape/roads/structures as intel?). Did the direct democracy really work? Were people actually free? Everything about this place seems to be biased and tainted, and it's extremely hard to find people of Libyan descent or that lived through this era to ask them. Other Arabs I've met have their own views (not all good, actually usually NOT good), but these are people from other countries that are more archaic and/or traditional, so a socialist-democratic state to them would appear the same way it does to traditional Americans. If any Libyans are watching, please comment on your thoughts about this time period and how it REALLY was. As someone that has worked in Washington DC and seen the special interests and oligarchical behavior in action, I'm inspired by Muammar Gaddafi and the system he conjured up. Not only him, but Third Way politicians from other countries too.
Most of them who lived through this era are dead or broken from the revolutionary war
@@tylerdurden4408 Gaddaffi's son tried running for elections, don't know how it turned out.
read many statements from Libyans who constantly said that his rule was very oppressive, they talked about how their relatives were detained for no reason and not even allowed proper legal counsel, they talked about how, even though everyone boasts about the free healthcare and education, the quality was really really low. often Libyans would have to go to neighboring countries to seek treatment for anything more than the basic cold and flu. Recall one particular case where the family had to go abroad to get treatment for something as common as diabetes, and eventually lost the individual at a very young age of 24. They talked about the unnecessary war in Chad that ruined many lives on both sides. They talked about public executions carried out by his regime against anyone who opposed him. So, yeah he wasnt the best of leaders but didnt deserve to die as ruthlessly as he did. deserved a fair judgment in the court, not imminent death at the hands of barbarians, although one would argue he himself didn't allow the unlawfully detained prisoners a chance at fair judgment.
@@linusmayden8465 I think there is only 1 alive. I know 1 had died the same day Gaddafi did, another one was being torchered for a long time in the libyan desert (no idea what his current status is) and then there is the one who is running for elections.
@@tylerdurden4408 If it worked or not its been covered up by over a decade of war, suffering, and executions
half way through I gather that the documentary is attempting to portray the idea that Libyan officials demanded that the cameras were contained and the footage was controlled. People may be poor but they are not stupid. They know that perception is everything and the government and the people want to protect themselves, their resources, and the image of a growing nation. That is the idea proposed by the producers, however, they seem to be most involved in the controlling of the narrative and poking fun of footage that seems to me only honest attempts by the Libyan leaders to organize. Western journalists are worse. I don't care if Gadaffi droned on like a Clinton Shill to the African committee or if the women from the television assembly were indoctrinated, fed happy pills, and selected for the stick figure reporter. The video is three sets of 2 second clips of men rubbing their eyes. What a childish and unprofessional depiction in a place where sophistication is what the people are lacking but striving for. Ridiculous that we let our media get away with this for decades and now it is in the past.
Yep the common liberal hypocrisy of “you are dumb and poor and don’t know how you should live your lives and organize yourselves and should emulate your societies as we do for us to see you as equals”. No different than Roman superiority complex.
This type of "journalism" is one of many reasons why people are slowly but surely distancing themselves from mainstream media and seek out RUclips creators, or podcasts where we can still find decent reporting.
They don't speak like they live in dictatorship . When they smile their eyes smile. In repressive states they smile but eyes are furtive
People in North Korea smile too! They must be very happy to live in that lovely country.
@@puppet1-170 lol, yeah. They are so happy, that they force themselfes with guns to not leave the country.
@@puppet1-170 ..as slaves.
@@puppet1-170 Because he is a slave to CIA lies, long live true Korea 🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵
Popular democracy, Gaddafi was the greatest leader of Libya
If youre a Brit or yank, you'll condemned him. Truth is, he was a Libyan for Libya. These guys a Brit so don't expect anything nice said.
I am a Libyan .. I'm still in it I'm in tripoli... We know real men by a fucking look and we respect them as they respect us.. we wasn't a good host to this reporter and his team because we knew this reporter is a motherF#@#.
U can see that in the vid .. how he talks and how lived there.
Edit..
Moammar gaddafi was a fucking hard rock against many of what the world is suffering from now.. that's why the plan was "he must go"
The decision is left to Libyan. Not NATO and definitely not USA!
Obama has said Libya is a mess today and he called it the greatest regret of his Presidency. Libya was my no means a free society under Gaddafi but he did do much to develop Libya. It is easy watching this documentary to forget the Arab Spring. Gaddadi ordering the AIr Force to be used for what amounted to was riot control. In his last interview Gaddafi looked drugged feel for the poor people of Libya. Such a stunning country.
Libyan anti war all day rally in NYC of 4-5 thousand.Met so many Libyans who were wonderful.Music,food,speeches.Gadaffi attended via huge screen zoom to send his love and to thank us.Police blockades everywhere bomb squads kept moving crowds around and 0 msm coverage of event.Dressed all in Green,still have my No Libya War placard.No fly zone declared soon after and Gadaffi was brutally murdered.Dreamt I met him shortly before his death,lucid dream.We were down in lower manhattan heading to the SI ferry,he said he couldn't make it,though I begged him to not give up.He smiled said he'd never surrender,yet as a human he was worn out from human tragedy he saw everyday to his nation and the world.He fought the good fight and heaven greeted him with trumpets of Glory.~RIPHERO~
It was infinitely better than how it is now, that’s for sure.
This journalist is talking over amazing material for like 80% of the fugging video, just to trash talk every good and normal thing
I Love Gaddafi
It is not like there is only two choices. Either democracy or police state / dictatorship. There are hybrids, which is what Libya was. Their standards of living cannot be compared with say, Europe for example. But they never had any intention of mimicking our socities. They have their own culture, values and way of life. The annoying thing about us people in the west. Is that we expect that people should aim to live like us, and if they don't. They must exist in sorry states, poverty and repression and have to be liberated. Exactly what has caused the turmoil and ceaseless wars and conflicts of interests.
Has this guy never seen a developing post-colonial country before? What is his objection? It's weird and boring? It had a stagnating economy and clumsy foreighn relations but there was infrastructure and it was still one of the more developed countries in africa with at least a stated goal of democracy. This is just western paternalism. Not that there aren't legitimate criticisms, but the more you see the critiques made by the west, the more you conclude Libya under Gaddafi was obviously preferable to a failed state, and perhaps a very promising project given it's history.
RIP to a true warrior
Libya 🇱🇾 was showing the real face of America to the world .
He was better than any current leader today.
He keeps talking about how they’re worried about foreign press ONLY to demonstrate and prove exactly why, because the press twists and shows the narrative they chose to.
The Green Book's section, on the establishment of Jamahiriya - direct democracy, allows for Muslim Ummah to eventually have an opening to generally elect in the future a combined Muslim successor (5th Khalif). Yes, 5th Khalif theory through the establishment of Modern Islamic Democracy while building a post-scarcity scientific society. I am sure the pro-scientific society from the Abbasid dynasty will be resurrected. The previous is necessary for the survival of humanity.
Crisitan the Green Book was a joke and you know it !
@@davidhat2446 how is that? I only mentioned it because the EFF in South Africa mentioned it. It influenced a pan-african vision. As for strictly Marxist-Leninist angle, it practices democratic centralism however without a Leninist vanguard party group. It lacks some aspects of complete nationalization of the market and industries within Libya. It was not strictly economic socialist but it was leaning towards it with open experimentation with traditional Islamic viewpoints.
Whatever it was, it was always better than what is today
This has to be the worst reporter in ABC's history. everything he said is far from reality, he tries so hard to create this negative image about Libya. But one thing he cant hide or alter is the happieness of Libyan people, especially women. Peace and happiness is something Libyans may never have again.
Libya was a popular democracy, people were very happy with the similar standard of living as in Saudi Arabia, but the Anglo-French invasion supported by Obama has destroyed the country.
Saudi Arabia ?? There life was as good as people in Switzerland the Netherlands and Scandinavia even better , they had free electricity free gas and more
16:41 who's that young girl behind him, his daughter?
Gaddafi was neither president or prime minister since 1977. Since then Libya was runned by Libyan people's committee. All decisions were done by the people not Gaddafi.
What an appalling unprofessional and contemptible remark for a...” journalist “...to make....” all sorts of strange people “. A condescending, boringly predictable, right-wing Australian who would, doubtless, never dare to dream of describing delegates to Davos in such rude terms.
he's English not Australian
Gaddafi was a great man.
Wait so he was disbanding the army in favor of militias lol? How on earth could we have viewed him as a threat to us?
Militias that won’t turn on him.
Book of Isahias says every dicatator is evil and threat and must be overthrown. And USA exterior politics is governed by Bible.
These people will praise far right militias in the US for "resisting" government tyranny but when a non-western leader literally puts popular militias in place of his loyal military he is a dictator. The double standards are baffling.
@@lemat579 You are either joking or a joke.
@@EdithEsquivel and each USA President must proclaim an Oath on the Bible, literally with his hand on this book. Theocracy?
This was a terrible doc... Why would someone post this. They obviously failed to get any meaningful information, so thanks for sharing your non-information??
Why do you see it acceptable to mock our way of administration and how we choose to live? Why must the entire world adopt what you see right? Or else they’re seen as undereducated and worthless?
Why can’t you leave the people of the world to lead a life as they please and mind your own White House and Congress?
That is the Wrong question for this video. Qaddafi was a leader who helped average men and women of Libya. Prior to Qaddafi Libyans lived and struggled Under the yoke of colonialism which was cruel and evil and no Western ever complain about that. Think about it.
Very well said. And you think they will raise that point ( which points the finger at their own colonising country)
He'd be lucky to have a job after it
We did not see the question "so.. how often does Gaddafi intervene or have an opinion regarding internal policy?" I have a funny feeling the answer was "not often!" I cant think why such a great journalist would have forgotten to ask that question especially as his entire piece was about it..... maybe they had to edit it out to fit in more images of him sulking.. or looking bored.. while people debated....... forgive him, as a UK journalist he is not used to watching people having real debates..... needs a bit of drama and theatre..... more made up stuff..
One might possibly find fault with some of his personal lifestyle choices, but the Colonel was a great statesman. Bob ran his country right into the ground and kept his foot on the accelerator long after the vehicle had stopped moving, the tires had burned off, the fuel tank was empty, and the currency had been taken off life support. Mo hosted a boxing match and did very well with exports during his tenure, but the downside is: it was the GDP into his Swiss bank accounts. Jean-Bé? Ate children. Idi? Not proven. Just to name a few
I truly believe Gaddafi was not a dictator
Yes it is
5:38 one voice cried out "Harira phalistine". Even in the face of our own oppression and conflicts, us northafricans always look to the world and our brothers. Free Palestine.
so i seen a later video of Gaddafi before.. did he end up with nerve damage to his mouth or something? cause on his latest one his mouth hardly moves
great man R.I.P
Dictator or not,situation in the country especially for the women ,was definitely better
Though not for the women he abused, including as children
Libya wasn't a true democracy it had many flaws, the democracy was on paper only. Some people might agree some won't, but anyone intelligent enough can realize libya was better with gaddafi then what it is right now.
No matter what it was, it was certainly way better than the mess it has become now after western intervention that led to his assassination. Actually, Libyans lived better lives than many people in western countries why Khadafi was leading the country.
I am happy that those ungrateful traitors are suffering now
it could have been United States of Africa
I love the idea of not having representation but ourselves as commitees do the work. But either way you make it, it can still be controlled to confirm a certain outcome.
this video explains why war didnt stop in Lybia after the US took out Gadafi the figure head clearly not the leader
The US tried putting a representative government but the Libyans clearly wants none of it
He was the best for his country and did everything for his people that's what made west jealous of him
Gaddafi did not invent anything
this system already existed in the tribes.
Gaddafi just applied a tribal system in a modern state. In addition the number of citizens is very small, only 5 million !!!
Did anybody notice Libya was taken off the world stage by the martyrdom of Gaddafi?
Despite this journalists best efforts, Libya looks like an amazing country. Shame what the US and NATO did to the Libyan people.
Whatever it was, it was a hell lot better than Libya today!
10:10 *500 kms in less than 3 hrs? that sure is a fast ride point to point.*
hudor tunnel 160km an hour or 100 mph
@@adamdunlaptv i find it fast and hard to maintain if made in a windy hiway.
Not if u were driven a Mercedes
I am interested in getting to know more about this people congress system Libya had. Can someone please provide me with some more detailed sources about it?
What, no biased Western journalist hosting the video, oh,wait, you're right that's totally what it was, they likely knew those in the bus were there to create a hit piece on Libya, Gaddafi and to demonise a Socialist style system run by... actually run by the people not elected politicians. The one talking was so depressed he couldn't write his hit piece, they saw him coming a mile away, his entire attitude sucked and frankly correct me if wrong, but disdain of Libyans was what I got from his style.
Gaddafi was never a dictator, but a central Leader they, his people respected.
it was a fully dempcratic system very much like the the Catalonian system in the 30s
He was the eccentric grey area, but at least he tried to project democratic values. It wasn’t a complete facade like when Saddam Hussein held elections. He did implement democratic processes and social reforms, but he acted unilaterally whenever he needed something. Libya still could have provided some kind of model for Africa and the Middle East. It could have raised the bar. The nuclear scare spooked us. We could have compromised in a way that didn’t look like we were selling out our own values. It’s hard. Hopefully all this confusing social networking technology will improve communication in the future instead of fueling propaganda.
Need to put these clips in a historical context. What is the OAU responding to?
he's being so disrespectful, I'm disgusted
Myanmar is a typical example of what Gaddafi said: The people rule.
not any more - the military took control again 2 months ago - you wrote this last week - keep up..
@@fakename3608 Yes. I'm as wrong as Gaddafi is. Before his death, the reporters asked him to escape to England so that he could be protected. He looked at the crowds attacking and getting closer to his place and said that they are Al-Qaida and that he had no role in it. They killed Gaddafi, but they are terrorists and his people who rule could not protect him. And I'm wrong as well because the military in Myanmar have killed the people of Myanmar.
Moammar served his people more than any other
Russia will suffer the same if they will not support Putin
100%
10,000000,000000% right.....
God bless you for saying this.....may God guid and protect and your family...
Thanks you so much for this great video about the late Libyan leader before his death in 2011...
You have probably showed off everything a journalist should not to do.
Libya is still suffering, Libyans still mourns his death..!! 🇱🇾
Reporter is upset he can't go a fulm freely. He's not a home he's in a different part of territory. When in Rome do as the Roman's.
The most biased reporter ive seen
People in Africa or in the third world had no chance to understand what is meant by governance that is different or separate from the leadership.
only critisem journalistic at its finest
The dictators are good at convincing themselves it's worth it, or they're not dictators. Such a strange problem.
Idk enough or what’s real about Gaddafi to judge him but one thing I did hear him say was the US democracy isn’t real democracy cause things should be more community decisions.
Our founding fathers wanted this country to be a Republic, not world police.
I want to ask Libyans, why did the odds hate him? Was not he a muslim? (Sincerely)
This is 100% unbiased.
The Gronx really explain
KILLING GADDAFI COVERED UP WHAT PEOPLE
Gaddafi great leader
whats name of this reporter?
There's no lying that what Gaddafi did to Libya was amazing, creating a state of classlessness and stabilizing and modernising a backward nation. But he offered this at the cost of freedom of speech, an immovable right. I don't believe the West should've intervened, but I can completely understand why the Libyan people stood up to him
Libyans didn't start this shit! Surely you know that?!?!
trying to hide greatness right before you, who's really the puppet
Great documentary .
You didn't find it illuminating. Until you ask yourself if you want your country to go to war in Iraq.
......."the rebels who over threw him weren't even Lebanese....."