In my professional opinion putting gravel in the hole makes no differance at all. Ive dug out thousands of rotten posts from the ground and none were ever rotten at the bottom. The post will rot at ground level a long time before the post at the bottom of the hole. Lack of oxygen underground prevents the rot. I hope this helps.
Just prior to buying my house the neighbor installed a wood fence between the houses. He used fine gravel (like the pros do he said) A year later I installed the same wood fence around my remaining 2 sides of the rear yard. I used concrete, belled out just a tad at the bottom and down below frost levels. His section of fence was in constant need of adjusting!! Every year the frost pushed the poles around. The prevailing wind even made it lean to the east. My fence (25years later) is still straight as the day I installed it. PS: By the way 25 years is the limit! The neighbors portion finally rotted out and need replacing. I've only had to replace one pole on my section however I suspect the rest will soon need replacing
I could be wrong but they look like a couple that used to do construction videos 20 yrs ago sponsored by Chevy trucks. I used to check out at the library on VHS. She was pretty cute with the leather tool belt in most vids.
When you run the string to align the posts, how do you know (other than the eye) do you know its straight so the posts aren't off? Or is that just how you do it?
Probably not, because the plastic would let in some moisture that would likely rot it. It would be hard to seal the top, for example, so that rain or dew wouldn't get in between plastic and the wood. Maybe if it was dipped or otherwise sealed. Ive heard of sealing before setting posts but i'm not familiar with that process.
Don't put wood (treated or not) in cement because cement transfers moisture to the wood and it will rot. Its just a matter of time. Instead insert galvanized pipe into the cement and attach wood (if you want to use wood) rail to the metal pipe. No wood in contact with the ground and no such rotting. Better yet use vinyl posts that slip down over the metal posts and you will never experience rotting.
Yes and no,, depending on budget. Most people in the Uk will get 6ft or whatever height green treated fence put up .. there is still a right & wrong way of going it..... as u probably know if that’s ur game, extra treatment even the section below frost line soil, weather, and in postcrete, mix, gravel base etc.. again your right there is more expensive methods but cheaper opinions done right can still be solid 30yrs later... I know this 💯 fact
You want to make a soakaway in your garden, dig a big hole, fill it with gravel... you want water round the base of your post... build a soakaway at the bottom of it so all the water can soak there... hmmm
I don't like setting in concrete- Far too much work to replace the posts WHEN they rot. No matter what preserver is used or what you wrap the post in it WILL rot. Couple that with the labor involved and the silly price on the stuff, it's just easier to set them in gravel and rocks.
I don't call it a half-assed job (and I agree, they're never good- I always use my whole ass). I never see any difference in fences set in concrete or not (providing it is done right of course), but not using concrete certainly simplifies the job and makes life easier for the poor sod who fixes it up in a few years time.
Legend Length The posts won't move- or they will, but it won't make any difference. The worst one's I've found for moving are concrete posts when they're not set deep enough- the frost grabs them and plays baseball. Remember that the posts are all connected up- so if your carpentry is good you should be able to set the posts in jello without them moving unduly. Tamp the gravel in. I'm not sure what problem dirt seeping through the rocks would pose? I've never concerned myself about it.
If you don't set it in some sort of mix, it WILL become un level... it takes a grand total of 10 minutes for me to dig a 2 ft post hole If you want a fence that will be bulletproof, I suggest concrete posts. However, if you wish to have wooden posts... go for the 4x4 inch posts
callum you can set posts just by using soil the key is to dig an extra deep hole (4ft) then you want to gradually add soil and tamp it very hard ( i dig the holes wide enough that i can slip a 2x4 in) then you bang the 2x4 hard and keep repeating till your hole is full and you'll end up with a very very sturdy post that you can try to push over with all your might and it won't budge
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Well thank you that was very helpful and you are very pleasant people
In my professional opinion putting gravel in the hole makes no
differance at all. Ive dug out thousands of rotten posts from the ground
and none were ever rotten at the bottom. The post will rot at ground
level a long time before the post at the bottom of the hole. Lack of
oxygen underground prevents the rot. I hope this helps.
Just prior to buying my house the neighbor installed a wood fence between the houses. He used fine gravel (like the pros do he said) A year later I installed the same wood fence around my remaining 2 sides of the rear yard. I used concrete, belled out just a tad at the bottom and down below frost levels. His section of fence was in constant need of adjusting!! Every year the frost pushed the poles around. The prevailing wind even made it lean to the east. My fence (25years later) is still straight as the day I installed it. PS: By the way 25 years is the limit! The neighbors portion finally rotted out and need replacing. I've only had to replace one pole on my section however I suspect the rest will soon need replacing
That was a very pleasant instructional video.
Lovely Stuff!
I could be wrong but they look like a couple that used to do construction videos 20 yrs ago sponsored by Chevy trucks. I used to check out at the library on VHS. She was pretty cute with the leather tool belt in most vids.
What's the best way to set a post in clay soil?
thanks
Funny to think of doing something like this in the winter. My ground would be frozen solid.
Frozen ground is nothing for a rock bar and rip saw. Rocks and roots are the hard part. Everything else is gravy.
Put the post into a bin liner and then concrete it in. Stops the rotting and makes them easier to remove and replace.
When you run the string to align the posts, how do you know (other than the eye) do you know its straight so the posts aren't off? Or is that just how you do it?
run a string line across at 1 end and put a speed square on it
A post hole digger & fast-setting postcrete would make the job far quicker & easier (for Judy!)
A week ?!
There is a new product called FenceFins that avoids the use of concrete - there's videos on RUclips of how they work
Is a 12-18 inch hole depth goings to do the job? My local code is 42 inches deep.
Paul Wonnacott especially when you add 2" of gravel. 3ft minimum.
12 to 18 inches? No frostline? We go 3’ down otherwise your entire fence will heave -
"level" is a horizontal term, "plum" is the vertical term.
Thought same thing & the 3:19 fence itself up is called a picket. & all sorts of finishes like dogear...simple shit
PLUMB means vertical - PLUM is a fruit! :-D
@@marycampbell8439 lol u tell em mary!! Now im hungry.
What is the ratio of Depth of post in ground to the height of post?
at least 1/3... here they barely did 1/6th, and about 1/3 of the needed gravel.
@@1Sanantoniomatute What about for cattle? How many inches do you recommend? 24 maybe?
Instead of cement, what if you wrap the ends of the posts in plastic bags before burying them? Would that prevent rotting?
Probably not, because the plastic would let in some moisture that would likely rot it. It would be hard to seal the top, for example, so that rain or dew wouldn't get in between plastic and the wood. Maybe if it was dipped or otherwise sealed. Ive heard of sealing before setting posts but i'm not familiar with that process.
Plumb not level, and yes there is a difference.
Nice people
i must say i do fancy the lady x lol , good show
gay
You did not mention, how to set the post into the hole,sit straight, before putting concrete.
Still not sure how to square the post...
i don't think i can do this in the winter time in canada
I love how they have senior citizens doing this but in reality it's a lot labor to dig a post 3- 4 ft
And don't forget all the cursing when trying to level the posts
30guarino who said anything about 3-4ft. Only need to dig 24" max
Brad yo
if you’re only digging 2 ft for a 10 foot post you’re doing it wrong. At least 2 ft for a 6 ft or less post.
in Canada you want your posts at least 4 ft down due to the frost line.
Holy fuck 4 feet.
instead of gravel, soak the fence post end in used motor oil or kerosene for a couple of days....
12-18 inches. Um no. 24inch min
What is the reason for putting concrete around a fence post
Don't put wood (treated or not) in cement because cement transfers moisture to the wood and it will rot. Its just a matter of time. Instead insert galvanized pipe into the cement and attach wood (if you want to use wood) rail to the metal pipe. No wood in contact with the ground and no such rotting. Better yet use vinyl posts that slip down over the metal posts and you will never experience rotting.
Doug Millar but wouldn't the natural weather conditions eventually rot wood anyway?
Yes and no,, depending on budget. Most people in the Uk will get 6ft or whatever height green treated fence put up .. there is still a right & wrong way of going it..... as u probably know if that’s ur game, extra treatment even the section below frost line soil, weather, and in postcrete, mix, gravel base etc.. again your right there is more expensive methods but cheaper opinions done right can still be solid 30yrs later... I know this 💯 fact
Easy to take out though
One guy burned the bottom of the posts before he put it in the ground.
Can you send Judy on over to my place next?
what are those metal braces called?
sammy ibarra same thing I would like to know
same as a joist hanger
www.homedepot.ca/product/simpson-strong-tie-fb-zmax-galvanized-fence-rail-bracket-for-2x4/1000152513
Don't want your wood to rot then put tar on the wood that will be in the ground b4 u place it into the ground
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You want to make a soakaway in your garden, dig a big hole, fill it with gravel... you want water round the base of your post... build a soakaway at the bottom of it so all the water can soak there... hmmm
about a week since erecting the posts? what a joke. Have you not got quick setting post mix in the U.S?
quick set concrete is very weak
What.
These people are odd. They seem not mad
You can use stodoys, it has the best handbooks and ready instructions. You can learn much from them and make it yourself.
I don't like setting in concrete- Far too much work to replace the posts WHEN they rot. No matter what preserver is used or what you wrap the post in it WILL rot. Couple that with the labor involved and the silly price on the stuff, it's just easier to set them in gravel and rocks.
Alexander Clarke You're wrong. A half ass job is never good.
I don't call it a half-assed job (and I agree, they're never good- I always use my whole ass). I never see any difference in fences set in concrete or not (providing it is done right of course), but not using concrete certainly simplifies the job and makes life easier for the poor sod who fixes it up in a few years time.
Legend Length
The posts won't move- or they will, but it won't make any difference. The worst one's I've found for moving are concrete posts when they're not set deep enough- the frost grabs them and plays baseball. Remember that the posts are all connected up- so if your carpentry is good you should be able to set the posts in jello without them moving unduly. Tamp the gravel in.
I'm not sure what problem dirt seeping through the rocks would pose? I've never concerned myself about it.
If you don't set it in some sort of mix, it WILL become un level... it takes a grand total of 10 minutes for me to dig a 2 ft post hole
If you want a fence that will be bulletproof, I suggest concrete posts. However, if you wish to have wooden posts... go for the 4x4 inch posts
callum you can set posts just by using soil the key is to dig an extra deep hole (4ft) then you want to gradually add soil and tamp it very hard ( i dig the holes wide enough that i can slip a 2x4 in) then you bang the 2x4 hard and keep repeating till your hole is full and you'll end up with a very very sturdy post that you can try to push over with all your might and it won't budge
I checked a lot of handbooks with woodworking plans. Instructions from woodprix are the best I think.