As a mustang owner and fan, of course everyone has a different opinion but in my own opinion i think GM deserves the credit on this one because they had the nerve to build the ZR1 from scratch while ford had to have Multimatic build the car for them so its more like a Multimatic car with a ford powetrain and badge
Ford used Multimatic for a reason, unlike GM who funded the DSSV and MR Tech companies and let them die off in Europe while recession hit back in 08 Ford helps the companies that it owned, Multimatics big internal share is under Ford, Why Taxes, Trump that idiot fool taxes everyrhing that's not built in house in USA. U may or maynot support it but its a big issue as brands like Ford has partners like Cosworth, Multimatic, etc outside USA and its not easy to just shift offices to USA like this asshole Trump thinks, people ve life and the workers are hired from a region. So Ford had to use Multimatic as a 3rd party and they can save a huge lot of taxes as Multimatics dev team s from Europe, Canada, etc so they pay their own taxes too. Many think Ford cannot do a Corvette like mid engine car for say 150k USD, that's not the case. All brands even Dodge can do it as long as they are totally on their feet and financials give them the room to do so. GM, FCA took almost 89,95% government bail out funds while Ford took just 17% from the government treasury back in 08. So as long as people say Ford should ve done a Corvette rival etc etc.. Understand that they cud ve done that, but they r more focused on financial independance unlike ജിഎം, FCA etc who ve been raking up loans over loans, but gives customers cars like C8 Vette. Which is a good thing from customer standpoint. But there is the dark reality that GM would take another 10 years or so to complete the debt while Ford is almost 100% free of debts. Ford is now restructuring EU Asia Aus markets with more focus on small EVs and medium size EVs and hybrids, again curtailing losses and trying out new things again unlike GM fleeing Europe once they found out it's creating headaches
@@chrismathes3647 "and has a custom steel tube chassis. It's a GT3 homologation car." wrong, they didn't need it for homologation. a bog standard steel s650 chassis (which gets some modification), steel doors and engine block are sent to multimatic in canada.
Chevy already said that they were able to break 200mph during testing on the straight away (they didn't say the exact speed) and not many cars have done that. The AMG One did 201mph during it's record run
Not only did they break 200 mph, but every development driver who tested on the ring broke 200 mph on their first attempt "with ease", so it's probably hitting higher speeds than that. In an interview an engineer quoted simulation data for the ZTK ZR1's top speed in the 220s, maybe even above 225, so it could be one of the fastest cars ever on the straight.
It helps. Its not like is a brick in the turns either lol. Drivers are probably the most important factor at this track. How willing are they to crash?@infinitetk4165
IDK, but if you consider a Corvette ZR1 will likely be more affordable and that it is a streetcar meant to go fast, whereas the GTD is a 3rd party, purpose built racecar that is barely street legal and likely not enough will be made to call it a proper production car it is like comparing apples to oranges. I'm never going to race the Nurbergring, but to own a 1000 HP mid engine hypercar?? Seems to me no comparison
@@joeyvoyles5548 At this point, the line of what can be considered a hypercar is very blurry. A sports car with over 1,000 horsepower is enough to be considered a hypercar for some people and that's hard to deny when the new ZR1 makes 1,064 horsepower with zero hybridization. When you really think about it, the new ZR1 can technically compete with the Ferrari SF90XX and Aston Martin Valhalla but for a fraction of what those two cars cost. Additionally, the weight difference between the new ZR1, SF90XX, and Valhalla is surprisingly close from what I can see. The Valhalla is the lightest at 3,648 lbs, next is the ZR1 at 3,760 to 4,050 lbs, and SF90XX at 3,505 to 3,869 lbs.
The GTD is not a purpose built race car - it's not even legal for racing in the major road racing organizations like IMSA, SCCA, WEC, Etc. It was based on the Mustang GT3 racer but built specifically for the street. Ford will build in excess of 2,000 of them so it is a production car. They received better than 7,500 applications for the right to purchase by June of 2024.
@@matt-g-recovers mass produced versus limited production. Multimatic builds the 3 million dollar AMG ONE and many more cars. GM is building Corvettes on an assembly line at a daily basis. The Corvette will always be the best bang for the buck even compared to exotic cars, has been since the C4 imo
@@joeyvoyles5548 i said the same thing, lol.. people say anything to include themselves lol.. a corvette is not even a supercar, let alone a.... smh, nevermind
It's resale value will be s*** though. Corvette resale values have always been the worst. The GRD Will appreciate. Want to know why they make a $300,000 mustang? Because they can sell it for that 🤣
@@camonly849 same thing they race in GT3, now you know lol. It's literally almost same drivetrain as a GT500 except instead a DCT 7, it's an 8 speed and rear mounted trans axle ...like the GT3 Mustangs lol 🤣. How is this hard?
@@rovidbouski4022 The Z06 with ZO7 package is nearly 170K. The ZR1 will probably be about 70-80 cheaper and it won't matter since they're only making 1-2,000 GTDs..they already had 7500 applications for purchase.
Lmao 🤣 what? you are aware .... they both race against each other in GTD PRO and GTD. And your commenting on a video comparing the two you ...but yeah "Fanboy fantasy" 🤦
Nope. The Z06 with that Eventuri airbox, ported throttle body and exhaust is a completely different car, and Porsche GT3RS cars come from the factory in a high state of tune.Ring times are set by ALL STAR drivers, and GM wont hire these RING SPECIALIST.
@@nicklovely6431 I know that, ring laptimes is laughable most of the time (comparing laptimes when weather condition could do +-10 seconds is stupid). z06 with pro-driver or at least GM engineer would go sub7, no doubt. I was pinpointing that GM lap attempts weren't even in the same ballpark with porsche one's in terms of effort. And effort there would count for maaaany seconds.
@@BrHH772 - It figures GM would be that short sighted in choosing a driver with the best opportunity to set a record! An Engineer??? Give me a break. GM, the mark of ignorance!
Its a race car with plates...and about as comfortable and useable as one. No comparison to a comfortable street driver that can easily carry a weekends worth of.lughahe on a cross country trip. The fact the comfy car is even in the conversation say more good about the street cruiser than it does about the quasi race car.
It’s like $200k more than a ZR1, way more than a Viper ACR for sure. The thing is 100k more in base MSRP than a new GT3rs. Not sure it’s a comparison. They’re getting carried away
@ I’m saying it’s not fair to compare a $350-$500k car to a $120k-$230kcar. I know it’s a GT3 car, and I’m sure it’s cool on track. But it’s a mustang to start. Then, there are other GT3 cars like the GT3rs which will eat it and cost much less and aren’t mustangs. It’s a strange effort and product forFORD
@foranaffairs .a GT3RS will only beat it at the Ring. Nowhere else. That's their home track , they have a facility on the nurburgring grounds. They tune cars for that specific track, why would i be impressed?
The zr1 should be mid to low 6:40’s if and this is a big if…. They will meed perfect weather, a driver who knows the track and enough time to lap the car a lot and get data to tweak the factory suspension. I also think with good weather and more time the gtd will pull high 6:40’s, possibly mid 6:40’s with some tweaks considering the car isn’t out yet so programming adjustments to the car and suspension tweaks can still be made to improve it.
Why is Chevrolet trying to compete with a car that’s not in its league.the GTD has more in it, it can probably run a 6.50. They left areas to improve on that run.
I don’t believe GM was benchmarking the GTD when they developed the ZR1. More likely they were targeting street-based supercars and hypercars, not a thinly-veiled race car built by Multimatic with an interior from a $30k mustang.
@AB-80X Base C8 Z06 was on PS4S so with 2Rs & less drag I feel it would break 7 unless the gearing in DCT is designed for ZR1 and they dont give AF. Which would be lame AF
The GTD will have faster lap times due to the great handling, the vette might be a little faster on the straights, but the GTD will be faster overall. Just my thoughts.
@daves913 after all the lap times it sets at various tracks it's extremely close to the gt3 and c7 zr1, there's no reason this car should have ran a 7.10.
The C8ZR1 is gonna bitch slap the GTD, lets just stop pretending right now. The Dodge Viper ACR ran a 7.01 and it didn't have 800+ HP and DCT automatic either.
well said lol 😂 I'm a huge Viper fan, after all it is a more Modern Shelby Cobra tbh. But it was on a slightly shorter track. 12.8 to 12.94 that's about 7-9 seconds total slower than GTD. That's a number from Misha who would know being a Ring expert. He also said the GTD has another 7-15 seconds of possible improvement in it. ZR1 will hit 6:40s and be cheaper as well
It’s really the proprietary “only one of its kind” suspension of the GTD and the fact it’s basically a GT3Cup car chassis that makes it what it is …. But “bitch slap” 👋 now i think is some real speculation. Considering GM already tried to take sub 7s with the C7 program and failed moving to a mid engine program so holdup ☝️… BTW 6, 800-4+ digit hp doesn’t necessarily equal sub 7 automatically either.. There are few sub 7 cars out there too, and besides Porsche did it with 515hp think about how special that is but they did it years ago with 700 “ze Germans big 🧠” (and home turf tbf). So let’s give a hand to America 🇺🇸 for #1 our first and ford before we go around bitch slapping 😂 on a car GM based on a Ferrari 458. but still only a handful sub 7s NBR as of today world wide.. There’s monster power hybrid hyper cars that don’t have a sub 7 times and electrics rule the NBR they’re giant RC cars they’re always going to dominate from here forward I do love what GM did with the turbos of the C8ZR1 though they made a proprietary turbo/manifold all in one and it’s brilliant, it will make modifying that particular system exorbitantly expensive though in the aftermarket but it’s super cool there’s no doubt. But as far as America goes ford did it first and without Shelby involvement this is a Ford only venture (name release to clarify) and Americas first and with a front engine car GMs given up on that and it saddens me 😢tbh..
@@dontadeshunyou act like GM doesn't have suppliers? They are not designing every component on a car. Multimatic has suspension components that are on other manufacturers so why try to highlight it now.what about Bosch?
The ZR1 has physics over the GTD. The GTD is doing a lot with a front engine car, but Mustang needs a mid engine car that starts at about $80K. The ZR1 also has those some advantages over the Porsches and Mercedes that aren't mid engine. Ford has already done a Mustang EV, so doing a different ICE configuration just extends the brand in a better direction. 1064 plus HP and mid engine wins for the ZR1
Nawh it won't. That track is more about handling, precision immediate turn ins all while staying planted, and no one does that better than Porsche. Porsche record will stand, and they do it with less power. That's a testament to the engineers at Porsche. The GTD has significantly more power than the GT3 and the GT3 still out pace it. It comes down to balance, the right amount of power and the right amount of weight. Some cars have too much power which mean you come too a corner too fast meaning you have to brake a lot sooner. With the GT3 your brake as late as possible. Cars with more weight is a handful to handle because those turns after turn will upset the chassis and your fighting to keep the car balanced and setup for the next turn. It's significantly easier and less of a fight to accomplish that with the GT3.
I'm a former mustang owner and fan.I do think the ZR1 will beat it's lap time just because of it's speeds on the straightaways.The fastest car's laptime on the that track is what Chevrolet should be striving for.
I don't get it all these supercar companies have special operations teams to do special builds an race teams that have third parties do their builds for the race programs an people love them but ford does it with the mustang an everyone wants to down them for it 🤔
AS A CORVETTE FAN I BELIEVE IN THE ZR1. Although I still gotta admit that the GTD was hella impressive for achieving a pre-7 minute time. No hate to any of the cars, but I am excited to see ZR1 results from GM 🔥 Edit: Great Video as Always ❤
Like he said the gearing is obviously an issue at top speed but if you watch the Zo6 lap they keep it in auto instead of manually selecting the gears. It was shifting weird and losing power in the turns. The driver didn’t seem comfortable with the car either. I doubt it would’ve been sub 7 but they definitely lost seconds on that run. Seems like it could’ve been a 7.03-ish time if using the manual mode.
Seems like most RUclipsrs and others who make reference to the Viper’s 7:01 lap time don’t understand that they ran a shortened track 7.20km vs the 7.86km length the GTD ran which equates to about 8-9 seconds. I own Vipers and love them so I’m not saying it’s not very impressive for a manual transmission in a car developed over 10 years ago! But comparing apples to apples on time, it would be more like 7:09-10 versus the 6:57. Either way, I think the GTD can go sub 6:50 and I think the Viper could possibly run quicker too. The Viper did have some mods as well, which is another thing no one talks about.
The problem with C8 is the transmission. Gears 1,2, and 3 are just about perfect. Gear 4 is a bit too long. Gears 5,6,7 and 8 are simply way too long/tall. Shift into 4th and acceleration drops off dramatically. Shift into 5th and nothing happens.
if you listened closely to your explanation, for all the folks who say or ask "is the corvette a super car.." aside from the chevy brand itself eliminating that, its the balance in American sports cars.. supercars are not about stuffing the most power into a car, its about "balance" hence why you could get a top speed from half the horse power- a mclaren, its because a McClaren is double the car. neverthless, corvettes are good "sports cars."
Austin. I have not found any mention of GM attempting a record run at the Nurburgring. Keep in mind. If the ZR1 runs a slower lap than the GTD. It would be a huge negative for the C8 ZR1. That's why GM never listed the time for the 755 horsepower 2019 C7 ZR1 because it was Much slower than expected. The other issue is Ford has already obtained the record time for the Mustang GTD and will return for future faster attempts. GM has a 233 speed record for the ZR1. Maybe that enough.
It was on a shorter track 12.8 to 12.94 Manthey Racing is literally located right there at the Ring lol. It ran 6:40 which Misha and others said the GTD is capable of. Seems everyone comparing these times leaves out the details small or large 🤷
My prediction is that the ZR1 won't be able to put all that power to the ground when exiting the corners...if anything, it will shine on the straights. I'm more than happy to be wrong though cause I'm broke and don't have a dog in the fight. I think both these cars are engineering marvels.
Gearing isn't that important when car is pushing 1000+hp out the engine. If ford is changing the gearing from what production car is having that voids the lap time cause now its not stock.
So, this is what I think, I believe the vett probably, maybe best the stang on the straight, not really by a mile. However though, the stang will I believe will out corner the vett, and pull away but not by a mile if I'm making any sense here. I believe the stang has more balance on the cornering especially with its rear wing. So, hey the Vette straight away the stang on the cornering, and finally the Vette every day comfortable ride while the stang's a race car. The pressure is on the Vette more though, maybe they will prove me wrong, we'll have to wait and see. Love em both, great top American lion and tiger go at it. Great job GM and Ford.
@Yipe-gm1wp - Nope, the GTD is not a race car. It is however based on one, the GT3 Mustang IMSA car. It is not even legal for racing due to several factors including active aerodynamics, supercharger and other factors. Its highly advanced suspension system allows it to be more than comfortable on the road and it is indeed made as an exotic road legal machine.
The battle of overpowered, overweight cars. What ever happened to a car under 3000 lbs that doesn't need a thousand BHP and doesn'tr kill tieres and suspension? Can I get a 2800 lb car with 500-600 bhp? You can keep 1000 bhp tanks.
Best choose on those weights are C6 Z06 with mods. GM can't build a model like that anymore. Have to look into Retro mods also. Special light weight models are out there but most are hard to get or costs very high.
@@amiller2121 yes, they literally said as much to Christian Gebhardt after he went 7:10, afterwards the GM engineers that told him how to set up the ZO6 for his attempt said, they knew the 5 & 6 gears were correctly matched for the top speed sections of the Nurburgring... Gebhardt basically said this: shifting from 4th to 5th makes the RPMs of the engine drop too far and the car loses speed when it should be accelerating to top speed. Needs closer rarios. Here's the video and they state this in comments, description.
@@chrismathes3647 Yeah, I'm familiar with all of this stuff. I just don't believe GM would make such a simple oversight with their 140k supposedly "track ready" sports car.
Ford has ruined the mustang name by producing the Mach E a family SUV EV not only that but calling it a GTD in Europe would mean it was a diesel in most peoples minds.
The gearing in my old C5 Zo6 was also not good for the track. There were only 5 gears for aggressive shifting, the sixth gear was a long gear (420km/h) for low revs on the highway or autobahn. Porsche already give 6 aggressive gears in their cars at that time. I dont understand this gear settings on really sport cars by chevy. For normal Corvettes it makes sense, but not for the track versions.
The stop speed the ZRl set used a banked Track to get up to speed then a 2.5 mile straight away to hit the 233 speed announced by GM. The Nurburgring isn't banked with the longest straightaway being 1.2 Miles yet the GTD was around 200 mph at the end of that shorter Straightaway. The Mustang GTD isn't a slouch with over 800 horsepower while using sophisticated multimatic active Areo and suspension components. Ford has added New team drivers to their GT3 factory race team replacing Dirk Muller. I won't mention names, but two have raced in the 24 hours at the Nurburgring.
GTD was around 187 mph on that Straightaway not 200 mph! GM already stated the ZR1 was touching 200 mph every time out on the straightaways on the Ring with GM Engineers driving.
Speeds on straits were close to GT3 RS. That's not good. GTD has to be at least 10 mph faster and hit over 190 on last strait. ZR1 will be at least10 mph faster on all straits vs GTD if driven correctly.
Hilarious. A $350k unattainable Mustang built by an outside company “beat” a off the floor $150k factory built Corvette. Chevy , when the Zora comes out. “ Hold my beer.”😂
I viewed Dirk Mueler upload. The car was set up for only max RPM to 6,300 rpm .. he kept blipping it on the long straights He should have set the RPM to 8,200 RPM the time could have dropped another 10 seconds. Then on the dry, it will drop 10 seconds more. It may drop to 6:37:00 👦👍🏎🏁🚩⛰️🏞
It was dry on August 07, 2024, the day of the lap. The track was dry, don't fall for the trap of believing the dramatic video made by Ford showing a wet or damp track, as the lap and media shots were on different days. You can also refer weather for the lap day for Nürburg and see that no rainfall was recorded.
@powerslider30477 Yes though they went back the week before it closed. It did rain 🌧 earlier. Another thing I saw Dirk Mueler upload the REV Limiter was set at 6,300 RPM. I have a Mustang GT Performance Pack it Redlines at 8,200 rpm I also have a Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission. This Automatic Paddle Shifters DCT or CVT is junk. The sequencial lever is better. The mistake is that it starts as a base Mustang GT shell. It should start as the Dark Horse so it would have the Magneride Suspension. That why the Suspension is not as smooth either. It's still a primitive race car. 👦👍🏎🏁🚩 hand Biult in Canada 🇨🇦
The suspension the car left Ford with is irrelevant. Multimatic changed everything. Nothing Ford factory is left. The suspension on the GTD is light-years ahead of the Magnaride. In fact Steeda did a video about tge Magnaride. You should watch it. @@ChasingDifferentAdventures
Which American "sports car" of the two 4000lb pigs is faster. The Mustang is a Canadian car built by Multimatic. It is a very low and limited production, very expensive race car with active aero and massive down force. The ZR1 is a street car. GM should give the ZR1 to Pratt and Miller (the company that builds the C8R for GM) double the price and have them rebuild it from the ground up with active aero, massive downforce, active suspension. Basically make it a no compromise track car like the Mutimatic. I would much rather see Multimatic build a car without all the restrictions and requirements from Ford holding them back from what they can easily do much much better. There are a significant number of quite fantastic cars in the $350K to $400K range of this 4000lb Mustang.
I don't care about these two vehicles the new rear engined Corvette,I don't like it l I like the C7 Corvettes with their non claustrophobic cabin interiors.The only mustang's I like are the regular mustang gt 's and the new whipple factory warranted Whipple supercharger kit.800 plus horsepower with a regular gt that costs a little over $50k verses $300k plus for a mustang GTD for rich people.👍🏻
Honestly I thought the c8z is much faster than 7.10. That time just doesn't seem right, given it's lap time at other tracks. Its very quick. I thought that car was 6:55ish all day. I'll still be that guy.....the zr1 will smoke the GTDs time. I think below 6:50 is definitely possible. Can't wait to see tho
No, C8Z gearing is not ideal in 5th. It maybe similar to ZR1 to keep all similar. Lap time should be closer to GT3 time 7:04.74 by Sport Auto. Porsche driver was below 7 min.
@jeffwill4923 except when lightning lap tested the c7 zr1 it went 164mph down the straight at vir, the c8 z06 went 160mph....in 5th....I'm telling you all this crap makes no sense.
@@camonly849 That's true but GM lap was in better conditions. Had a higher top speed in ZR1. The GT3 VIR lap time is only a sec off CZ. That's why I used Ring time with similar driver like VIR.
@jeffwill4923 well the zr1 speed I referenced was car and drivers speed. GMs top speed in the straight was 170mph. So I chose the lower. Leads me to believe the c8z could probably have a better lap time than what is given. Ya i still think 7.10 is terrible for what it is. It would be nice if conditions were ideal when GM runs the zr1 and hopefully z06. But who knows.
I don’t think the corvette with no DRS and factory suspension will be able to get under 7. I think it will be close and absolutely quick. But I just don’t see it. But I also didn’t see 233! So what do I know
You seem to forget, GM went bankrupt in 2009 trying to compete with Hyundai in their 10 year warranty. Still have not heard anyone say anything about the Ford GT mid-engine monster on the Nuremberg track? Remember when Ford was penalized with added weight for being twin turbid and mid-engine, while the C7 Corvette had no penalties. GM added weight to the Porsches also.
@dennyhobbs6977 That's incorrect. They won't warranty it if you race it competitively. That's not the same as just going to track days. GM also won't warranty the ZR1 if you race it competitively.
How's that? It use to be Mustang vs Camaro and that's dead because it can't compete. C8 is impressive but it's literally never won Le Mans outright which is kind of a measure of a cars capability. Even Viper has won 24H races outright. Corvette dominated it's class and always have. Sorry, they still are catching up to Ford 👍
I would just have to say that the GTD is an all out race car and to compare it to what GM is doing with the C8 is wrong. Let's compare apples to apples now. I will see more C8 ZR1s on the road than this car.
Didn’t Ford performed their own test on the racetrack while Chevy had a third-party do it? I’m not sure. Sure the Z06 isn’t faster. I can go sub seven minutes.
Only one can be the first...that be the Mustang GTD, first under 7 minutes for a US effort. Well done Ford, MultiMatic and Dirk Muller
As a mustang owner and fan, of course everyone has a different opinion but in my own opinion i think GM deserves the credit on this one because they had the nerve to build the ZR1 from scratch while ford had to have Multimatic build the car for them so its more like a Multimatic car with a ford powetrain and badge
Granted I don’t think Flat Rock is set up for a car like the GTD either.
@@MaddNomad1015 the factory steel chassis and doors are the problem, old and heavy.
🤣🤷 it's body is carbon fiber, Wheels magnesium and has a custom steel tube chassis. It's a GT3 homologation car.
Ford used Multimatic for a reason, unlike GM who funded the DSSV and MR Tech companies and let them die off in Europe while recession hit back in 08
Ford helps the companies that it owned, Multimatics big internal share is under Ford,
Why Taxes, Trump that idiot fool taxes everyrhing that's not built in house in USA. U may or maynot support it but its a big issue as brands like Ford has partners like Cosworth, Multimatic, etc outside USA and its not easy to just shift offices to USA like this asshole Trump thinks, people ve life and the workers are hired from a region. So Ford had to use Multimatic as a 3rd party and they can save a huge lot of taxes as Multimatics dev team s from Europe, Canada, etc so they pay their own taxes too.
Many think Ford cannot do a Corvette like mid engine car for say 150k USD, that's not the case. All brands even Dodge can do it as long as they are totally on their feet and financials give them the room to do so.
GM, FCA took almost 89,95% government bail out funds while Ford took just 17% from the government treasury back in 08.
So as long as people say Ford should ve done a Corvette rival etc etc.. Understand that they cud ve done that, but they r more focused on financial independance unlike ജിഎം, FCA etc who ve been raking up loans over loans, but gives customers cars like C8 Vette. Which is a good thing from customer standpoint. But there is the dark reality that GM would take another 10 years or so to complete the debt while Ford is almost 100% free of debts.
Ford is now restructuring EU Asia Aus markets with more focus on small EVs and medium size EVs and hybrids, again curtailing losses and trying out new things again unlike GM fleeing Europe once they found out it's creating headaches
@@chrismathes3647 "and has a custom steel tube chassis. It's a GT3 homologation car."
wrong, they didn't need it for homologation. a bog standard steel s650 chassis (which gets some modification), steel doors and engine block are sent to multimatic in canada.
Chevy already said that they were able to break 200mph during testing on the straight away (they didn't say the exact speed) and not many cars have done that. The AMG One did 201mph during it's record run
Not only did they break 200 mph, but every development driver who tested on the ring broke 200 mph on their first attempt "with ease", so it's probably hitting higher speeds than that. In an interview an engineer quoted simulation data for the ZTK ZR1's top speed in the 220s, maybe even above 225, so it could be one of the fastest cars ever on the straight.
It is going to in the 6:40s.
@@jaytrock3217agree
Top speed is not a indicator of fast lap times at the ring
It helps. Its not like is a brick in the turns either lol. Drivers are probably the most important factor at this track. How willing are they to crash?@infinitetk4165
IDK, but if you consider a Corvette ZR1 will likely be more affordable and that it is a streetcar meant to go fast, whereas the GTD is a 3rd party, purpose built racecar that is barely street legal and likely not enough will be made to call it a proper production car it is like comparing apples to oranges.
I'm never going to race the Nurbergring, but to own a 1000 HP mid engine hypercar??
Seems to me no comparison
Hypercar?
@@joeyvoyles5548 At this point, the line of what can be considered a hypercar is very blurry. A sports car with over 1,000 horsepower is enough to be considered a hypercar for some people and that's hard to deny when the new ZR1 makes 1,064 horsepower with zero hybridization. When you really think about it, the new ZR1 can technically compete with the Ferrari SF90XX and Aston Martin Valhalla but for a fraction of what those two cars cost. Additionally, the weight difference between the new ZR1, SF90XX, and Valhalla is surprisingly close from what I can see. The Valhalla is the lightest at 3,648 lbs, next is the ZR1 at 3,760 to 4,050 lbs, and SF90XX at 3,505 to 3,869 lbs.
The GTD is not a purpose built race car - it's not even legal for racing in the major road racing organizations like IMSA, SCCA, WEC, Etc. It was based on the Mustang GT3 racer but built specifically for the street. Ford will build in excess of 2,000 of them so it is a production car. They received better than 7,500 applications for the right to purchase by June of 2024.
@@matt-g-recovers mass produced versus limited production. Multimatic builds the 3 million dollar AMG ONE and many more cars. GM is building Corvettes on an assembly line at a daily basis. The Corvette will always be the best bang for the buck even compared to exotic cars, has been since the C4 imo
@@joeyvoyles5548 i said the same thing, lol.. people say anything to include themselves lol.. a corvette is not even a supercar, let alone a.... smh, nevermind
Austin, you rock! The Z06 did run a 7:11. I bet the ZR1 will be faster than the GTD. That's just my opinion. Peace
It's nice getting the American companies competing.
The Z06 time was run by a youtuber, its not even an official lap run
@@skylerhickman3646way way incorrect. Dude was a pro driver with several race victories at the ring. Look it up
Ford knows it will be quicker that is why they released the lap time now. Honestly I expected better than that.
@pdn0018 Dude barely took the gt2rs below 7 minutes, hes not qualified whatsoever to base time attack runs on try again buddy
Not to mention the ZR1 will be more available to the public and over $100k cheaper
It's resale value will be s*** though. Corvette resale values have always been the worst. The GRD Will appreciate. Want to know why they make a $300,000 mustang? Because they can sell it for that 🤣
Bro the mustang GTD is the furthest thing from a mustang 😂😂😂
@@camonly849 same thing they race in GT3, now you know lol. It's literally almost same drivetrain as a GT500 except instead a DCT 7, it's an 8 speed and rear mounted trans axle ...like the GT3 Mustangs lol 🤣. How is this hard?
@@rovidbouski4022 The Z06 with ZO7 package is nearly 170K. The ZR1 will probably be about 70-80 cheaper and it won't matter since they're only making 1-2,000 GTDs..they already had 7500 applications for purchase.
@@chrismathes3647 GM bros...they struggle 🤣
Absolutely loving Mustang is now the Corvettes main competition among domestic manufacturers ❤😂
Fanboy fantasies* 😆🤣
Lmao 🤣 what? you are aware .... they both race against each other in GTD PRO and GTD. And your commenting on a video comparing the two you ...but yeah "Fanboy fantasy" 🤦
@@ras22273they literally compete against each other in GTD PRO and GTD class 🤣💩🧠
No its not. A specific 350,000 dollar tuner special limited production Mustang is. Not any Mustang.
Lol
Nope. The Z06 with that Eventuri airbox, ported throttle body and exhaust is a completely different car, and Porsche GT3RS cars come from the factory in a high state of tune.Ring times are set by ALL STAR drivers, and GM wont hire these RING SPECIALIST.
Exactly, they tune them for the Ring. Which is why they dont hold a record anywhere else , technically mercedes still holds the top 3 Ring times
GM never hired a pro driver to set a lap on a ring, it was alwasy been done by an engineer.
@@BrHH772id imagine an engineer doesn't want to die lol. The car is capable of sub 7 if you look at the VIR times it's as fast as the gt3 rs
@@nicklovely6431 I know that, ring laptimes is laughable most of the time (comparing laptimes when weather condition could do +-10 seconds is stupid). z06 with pro-driver or at least GM engineer would go sub7, no doubt.
I was pinpointing that GM lap attempts weren't even in the same ballpark with porsche one's in terms of effort. And effort there would count for maaaany seconds.
@@BrHH772 - It figures GM would be that short sighted in choosing a driver with the best opportunity to set a record! An Engineer??? Give me a break. GM, the mark of ignorance!
The GTD should not be the target, the the GT3 RS should be the target.
Corvette was really sleeping when it came to setting this record. I can’t see the ZR1 not beating the 6:57 of the GTD.
Imagine when the zora arrives
And I can’t see the GTD not beating the 6:57, that was on their first try. Lol
It all depends on track conditions; if GM can rent the closed track on a good weather day they should.
Corvette ZR1
The vette should be faster because its always been a dedicated high end sports car!
I dont know if horsepower is the key to the Nurburgring. The zr1 should be balance overall
There is some decent length straights.
@@arbiter1 Porsche 911 GT3 RS has 520 bhp and has a quicker time than every American production car.
Horsepower on that monster straight and mid engine on the zigs is big for shaving time
Its a race car with plates...and about as comfortable and useable as one. No comparison to a comfortable street driver that can easily carry a weekends worth of.lughahe on a cross country trip. The fact the comfy car is even in the conversation say more good about the street cruiser than it does about the quasi race car.
@markshackelford9373 💯 correct. No one wants to daily a AMG1, Porsche GT3 RS car or the GTD.
It’s like $200k more than a ZR1, way more than a Viper ACR for sure. The thing is 100k more in base MSRP than a new GT3rs. Not sure it’s a comparison. They’re getting carried away
Its based on a gt3 racecar not a regular mustang
@@WindyCity1992 so what. It’s a $500kmustang lol
@ I’m saying it’s not fair to compare a $350-$500k car to a $120k-$230kcar. I know it’s a GT3 car, and I’m sure it’s cool on track. But it’s a mustang to start. Then, there are other GT3 cars like the GT3rs which will eat it and cost much less and aren’t mustangs. It’s a strange effort and product forFORD
@@foranaffairs
A 911 is a VW to start, literally.
A Corvette is a V6 sports car to start in 1953. Who cares about names. That is a pointless point
@foranaffairs .a GT3RS will only beat it at the Ring. Nowhere else. That's their home track , they have a facility on the nurburgring grounds. They tune cars for that specific track, why would i be impressed?
The zr1 should be mid to low 6:40’s if and this is a big if…. They will meed perfect weather, a driver who knows the track and enough time to lap the car a lot and get data to tweak the factory suspension. I also think with good weather and more time the gtd will pull high 6:40’s, possibly mid 6:40’s with some tweaks considering the car isn’t out yet so programming adjustments to the car and suspension tweaks can still be made to improve it.
I think a 6:52 could be realistic with all things coming together in harmony; anything better will be steller !!
It's pretty heavy tho, mid to low 6:50's seems more realistic.
Why is Chevrolet trying to compete with a car that’s not in its league.the GTD has more in it, it can probably run a 6.50. They left areas to improve on that run.
I don’t believe GM was benchmarking the GTD when they developed the ZR1. More likely they were targeting street-based supercars and hypercars, not a thinly-veiled race car built by Multimatic with an interior from a $30k mustang.
While I absolutely love Mustangs, I'm betting the ZR1 is going to be faster.
I'll take that bet
@bobcobb6809 I hope I'm wrong!
GTD, will the target next year.
We still need C8 Z06 ring time! Come on GM! Run both Base & Z07 with cup2R and see which is faster.
It happened it ran a 7:11 it was very fast in the corners but the straights it was so slow coz of the slow 5th gear
It was on Cup 2R's. It is what it is, and GM did state that it was not possible to run below 7 minutes.
@AB-80X Base C8 Z06 was on PS4S so with 2Rs & less drag I feel it would break 7 unless the gearing in DCT is designed for ZR1 and they dont give AF. Which would be lame AF
@@boywonderrr71
Wrong. Car had the Z07 pack and was fitted with the Cup 2R's which were preheated before the lap.
@AB-80X no shit, the aero if Z07 slowed down the top speed so the base with cup 2r should do better
I think the Zr1 is the better car and time will tell
Corvette should just add a Nurburgring Package with better gearing, Multimatic suspension and active aero for $50,000 more for the ZR1.
C8 ZR1 will destroy that time hitting over 200 mph on the straights.
The GTD will have faster lap times due to the great handling, the vette might be a little faster on the straights, but the GTD will be faster overall. Just my thoughts.
Zr1 will obliterate this time. Honestly the c8 z06 should best this time or beat it. I think that 7.10 lap is bs.
@@camonly849no it won’t. Lol😂
@daves913 after all the lap times it sets at various tracks it's extremely close to the gt3 and c7 zr1, there's no reason this car should have ran a 7.10.
The C8ZR1 is gonna bitch slap the GTD, lets just stop pretending right now. The Dodge Viper ACR ran a 7.01 and it didn't have 800+ HP and DCT automatic either.
well said lol 😂 I'm a huge Viper fan, after all it is a more Modern Shelby Cobra tbh. But it was on a slightly shorter track. 12.8 to 12.94 that's about 7-9 seconds total slower than GTD. That's a number from Misha who would know being a Ring expert. He also said the GTD has another 7-15 seconds of possible improvement in it. ZR1 will hit 6:40s and be cheaper as well
It’s really the proprietary “only one of its kind” suspension of the GTD and the fact it’s basically a GT3Cup car chassis that makes it what it is …. But “bitch slap” 👋 now i think is some real speculation. Considering GM already tried to take sub 7s with the C7 program and failed moving to a mid engine program so holdup ☝️…
BTW 6, 800-4+ digit hp doesn’t necessarily equal sub 7 automatically either.. There are few sub 7 cars out there too, and besides Porsche did it with 515hp think about how special that is but they did it years ago with 700 “ze Germans big 🧠” (and home turf tbf). So let’s give a hand to America 🇺🇸 for #1 our first and ford before we go around bitch slapping 😂 on a car GM based on a Ferrari 458.
but still only a handful sub 7s NBR as of today world wide.. There’s monster power hybrid hyper cars that don’t have a sub 7 times and electrics rule the NBR they’re giant RC cars they’re always going to dominate from here forward
I do love what GM did with the turbos of the C8ZR1 though they made a proprietary turbo/manifold all in one and it’s brilliant, it will make modifying that particular system exorbitantly expensive though in the aftermarket but it’s super cool there’s no doubt. But as far as America goes ford did it first and without Shelby involvement this is a Ford only venture (name release to clarify) and Americas first and with a front engine car GMs given up on that and it saddens me 😢tbh..
@@chrismathes3647 yep the C8ZR1 will stand alone for sure.
@@BASSHEADBOOMcause ford used multimatic
@@dontadeshunyou act like GM doesn't have suppliers? They are not designing every component on a car. Multimatic has suspension components that are on other manufacturers so why try to highlight it now.what about Bosch?
The ZR1 has physics over the GTD. The GTD is doing a lot with a front engine car, but Mustang needs a mid engine car that starts at about $80K. The ZR1 also has those some advantages over the Porsches and Mercedes that aren't mid engine. Ford has already done a Mustang EV, so doing a different ICE configuration just extends the brand in a better direction. 1064 plus HP and mid engine wins for the ZR1
Guess I'll keep saving up for a Porsche GT3, then.
It boils down to the DRIVER SKILL SET and knowing the car. period.
One is a race car you can drive on the road the other is a daily driver you can take to the track.
The ZR1 is going to be beating all those Porsche laps time…
I doubt that. The Ring is a home field game. The ZR1 will likey dominate every other track.
Nawh it won't. That track is more about handling, precision immediate turn ins all while staying planted, and no one does that better than Porsche. Porsche record will stand, and they do it with less power. That's a testament to the engineers at Porsche. The GTD has significantly more power than the GT3 and the GT3 still out pace it. It comes down to balance, the right amount of power and the right amount of weight. Some cars have too much power which mean you come too a corner too fast meaning you have to brake a lot sooner. With the GT3 your brake as late as possible. Cars with more weight is a handful to handle because those turns after turn will upset the chassis and your fighting to keep the car balanced and setup for the next turn. It's significantly easier and less of a fight to accomplish that with the GT3.
@@RunEmDownTony the gtd starts out with a factory steel chassis that's 10 years old.
I'm a former mustang owner and fan.I do think the ZR1 will beat it's lap time just because of it's speeds on the straightaways.The fastest car's laptime on the that track is what Chevrolet should be striving for.
I don't get it all these supercar companies have special operations teams to do special builds an race teams that have third parties do their builds for the race programs an people love them but ford does it with the mustang an everyone wants to down them for it 🤔
Both manufacturers need to show up to the ring on the same day and show the Euros who the new Kings are.
It's not the gearing messing with the Corvette. It's the active downforce.
If the ZR1 was $300,000 it would most likely be a high percentage carbon fiber car, which would make it almost unbeatable.
@speedphenom do you think the drivers should use the paddle shifters or leave in auto? I know what id do.
I always look at the car that looks the most badass. The mustang to me is the winner.
Why hasnt chevy done it yet? Whats taking chevy so long to run the ZR1
Just be patient we coming chevy on top
Rumor has it power numbers may increase. Then you have the Hybrid mule being tested also. Very much is being finalized.
AS A CORVETTE FAN I BELIEVE IN THE ZR1. Although I still gotta admit that the GTD was hella impressive for achieving a pre-7 minute time. No hate to any of the cars, but I am excited to see ZR1 results from GM 🔥
Edit: Great Video as Always ❤
I'm guessing the Corvette is going to put down faster times. But I can't help buy wonder, what happened with the Z06?
Like he said the gearing is obviously an issue at top speed but if you watch the Zo6 lap they keep it in auto instead of manually selecting the gears. It was shifting weird and losing power in the turns. The driver didn’t seem comfortable with the car either.
I doubt it would’ve been sub 7 but they definitely lost seconds on that run. Seems like it could’ve been a 7.03-ish time if using the manual mode.
@@chrislain1349 the corvette team also attempted an official lap time and their best was 7:10, so it wasn't the driver.
yes and its good for us!
Seems like most RUclipsrs and others who make reference to the Viper’s 7:01 lap time don’t understand that they ran a shortened track 7.20km vs the 7.86km length the GTD ran which equates to about 8-9 seconds. I own Vipers and love them so I’m not saying it’s not very impressive for a manual transmission in a car developed over 10 years ago! But comparing apples to apples on time, it would be more like 7:09-10 versus the 6:57. Either way, I think the GTD can go sub 6:50 and I think the Viper could possibly run quicker too. The Viper did have some mods as well, which is another thing no one talks about.
The problem with C8 is the transmission. Gears 1,2, and 3 are just about perfect. Gear 4 is a bit too long. Gears 5,6,7 and 8 are simply way too long/tall.
Shift into 4th and acceleration drops off dramatically.
Shift into 5th and nothing happens.
Put the ZR1 engine in the Corvette race car and be done with it!
I wonder what a very high end racing simulator would show in this ZR1 vs. GTD?
Chevy never had gearing Down to a science
Hopefully chevy shares lap time with the new zr1
if you listened closely to your explanation, for all the folks who say or ask "is the corvette a super car.." aside from the chevy brand itself eliminating that, its the balance in American sports cars.. supercars are not about stuffing the most power into a car, its about "balance" hence why you could get a top speed from half the horse power- a mclaren, its because a McClaren is double the car. neverthless, corvettes are good "sports cars."
Also comparing a limited production Ford Mustang versus a we will build what the market can handle Corvette again from that the Corvette wins
Austin. I have not found any mention of GM attempting a record run at the Nurburgring. Keep in mind. If the ZR1 runs a slower lap than the GTD. It would be a huge negative for the C8 ZR1. That's why GM never listed the time for the 755 horsepower 2019 C7 ZR1 because it was Much slower than expected. The other issue is Ford has already obtained the record time for the Mustang GTD and will return for future faster attempts. GM has a 233 speed record for the ZR1. Maybe that enough.
You need the right gear ratios for top end speed in order to make the best use of the engines rev band.
My seven year old Porsche 911: Hold my Beer!!! (an Aerospace Engineer who owns a 2018 Porsche GT2 RS MR...6:38 'Ring time).
It was on a shorter track 12.8 to 12.94
Manthey Racing is literally located right there at the Ring lol. It ran 6:40 which Misha and others said the GTD is capable of. Seems everyone comparing these times leaves out the details small or large 🤷
My prediction is that the ZR1 won't be able to put all that power to the ground when exiting the corners...if anything, it will shine on the straights. I'm more than happy to be wrong though cause I'm broke and don't have a dog in the fight. I think both these cars are engineering marvels.
Gearing isn't that important when car is pushing 1000+hp out the engine. If ford is changing the gearing from what production car is having that voids the lap time cause now its not stock.
That car never was stock for didn't build it. It has carbon fiber body panels trick suspension trick areo. No factory mustang is setup like this car
Ford all the way. All the way from Canada
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Zr1 just clocked a 233 mph top speed. Mustang is very cool looking but the numbers don’t make sense.
Can't wait to see the Tesla Roadster lay waist to ALLl these brands. 🍿🥤
So, this is what I think, I believe the vett probably, maybe best the stang on the straight, not really by a mile. However though, the stang will I believe will out corner the vett, and pull away but not by a mile if I'm making any sense here. I believe the stang has more balance on the cornering especially with its rear wing. So, hey the Vette straight away the stang on the cornering, and finally the Vette every day comfortable ride while the stang's a race car. The pressure is on the Vette more though, maybe they will prove me wrong, we'll have to wait and see. Love em both, great top American lion and tiger go at it. Great job GM and Ford.
The difference too, is the Mustang GTD is a race car. The ZR1 can be driven everyday with all the comforts., and reliably.
@Yipe-gm1wp - Nope, the GTD is not a race car. It is however based on one, the GT3 Mustang IMSA car. It is not even legal for racing due to several factors including active aerodynamics, supercharger and other factors. Its highly advanced suspension system allows it to be more than comfortable on the road and it is indeed made as an exotic road legal machine.
Depends on the driver also???
The C7 ZR-1 currently holds Chevys fastest lap time
The battle of overpowered, overweight cars. What ever happened to a car under 3000 lbs that doesn't need a thousand BHP and doesn'tr kill tieres and suspension? Can I get a 2800 lb car with 500-600 bhp? You can keep 1000 bhp tanks.
Best choose on those weights are C6 Z06 with mods. GM can't build a model like that anymore. Have to look into Retro mods also. Special light weight models are out there but most are hard to get or costs very high.
Great video!
Thanks!
Even the mustang can win the ZR1 by far, I still want the Corvette. 1 the Mustang doesn't have the look. 2 it's not worth what it costs.
The problem with the Z06 isn't the gearing. It's the electronic nannies that throttle the car when driving at ten tenths.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@amiller2121 Actually, they said it was 5th gear being not properly suited to the track etc
@chrismathes3647 That's what's going around but that doesn't make sense. Would GM really make a car made for the track that can't handle long tracks?
@@amiller2121 yes, they literally said as much to Christian Gebhardt after he went 7:10, afterwards the GM engineers that told him how to set up the ZO6 for his attempt said, they knew the 5 & 6 gears were correctly matched for the top speed sections of the Nurburgring... Gebhardt basically said this: shifting from 4th to 5th makes the RPMs of the engine drop too far and the car loses speed when it should be accelerating to top speed. Needs closer rarios.
Here's the video and they state this in comments, description.
@@chrismathes3647 Yeah, I'm familiar with all of this stuff. I just don't believe GM would make such a simple oversight with their 140k supposedly "track ready" sports car.
Speed Phenom Great Video I agree that all new C8 ZR1 should be able to beat Mustang GTDs Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap time because it has so much hp
Ford could up the ante at any time by putting a turbo voodoo in a GT. It's a fun game to play.
Did we all just forget about the Ford gt?
Ford has ruined the mustang name by producing the Mach E a family SUV EV not only that but calling it a GTD in Europe would mean it was a diesel in most peoples minds.
Funny thing is the zr1 is actually the first American car under 7 second they just haven't announced it yet. Rumor is 6.47
@sleeeper88 - Rumors are like butt holes, everybody's got one! Go back to sleep Junior!
Under seven minutes.
Imagine Ford GT with an v8 vs the ZR1 vette, better match.
The Driver . thats the key...
Austin just answer me this. Left. Middle or right selection? You know what I’m talking about
The gearing in my old C5 Zo6 was also not good for the track. There were only 5 gears for aggressive shifting, the sixth gear was a long gear (420km/h) for low revs on the highway or autobahn. Porsche already give 6 aggressive gears in their cars at that time. I dont understand this gear settings on really sport cars by chevy. For normal Corvettes it makes sense, but not for the track versions.
Bring back the camaro.Retune to the Z06 2026 model.Have the ZR1 in a league of it's own.When the Zora comes out make it outdo the ZR1..
Ford always the head of the game in American vehicles..
Chevy been waiting just to obliterate The the mustang time
I’m a ford guy but the zr1 is going to smoke the GTD. I’d say the ZR1 is going to do a 6:44 likely so nice try ford but too heavy.
I would think the C8 Z06 GT3r would be more similar to the GTD.
I think if gmc would update and use all the tech they have and introduce a new typhoon and syclone. I bet they would rip...
I don't think ZR1 is competing with the GTD: it's sites are set much higher
The Z07 Z06 should've came with different transmission gearing from the factory to match the powerband of the engine.
The gearing is probably setup for VIR. Rear end ratio is maybe why gearing is setup around.
The stop speed the ZRl set used a banked Track to get up to speed then a 2.5 mile straight away to hit the 233 speed announced by GM. The Nurburgring isn't banked with the longest straightaway being 1.2 Miles yet the GTD was around 200 mph at the end of that shorter Straightaway. The Mustang GTD isn't a slouch with over 800 horsepower while using sophisticated multimatic active Areo and suspension components. Ford has added New team drivers to their GT3 factory race team replacing Dirk Muller. I won't mention names, but two have raced in the 24 hours at the Nurburgring.
GTD was around 187 mph on that Straightaway not 200 mph! GM already stated the ZR1 was touching 200 mph every time out on the straightaways on the Ring with GM Engineers driving.
Speeds on straits were close to GT3 RS. That's not good. GTD has to be at least 10 mph faster and hit over 190 on last strait. ZR1 will be at least10 mph faster on all straits vs GTD if driven correctly.
2004 BMW Le Mans SUV with Hans Stuck driving did a 7:50 lap. That lap time stood@@fasttime823for 19 years.
For >$300k that Mustang better be faster than anything Chevy has... It's basically a GT3 race car...
Hilarious. A $350k unattainable Mustang built by an outside company “beat” a off the floor $150k factory built Corvette. Chevy , when the Zora comes out. “ Hold my beer.”😂
That ACR Viper was a manual.
What's the MSRP of the Mustang GTD $300K v. the Vette $140K...
I viewed Dirk Mueler upload. The car was set up for only max RPM to 6,300 rpm .. he kept blipping it on the long straights
He should have set the RPM to 8,200 RPM the time could have dropped another 10 seconds. Then on the dry, it will drop 10 seconds more. It may drop to 6:37:00 👦👍🏎🏁🚩⛰️🏞
It was dry on August 07, 2024, the day of the lap. The track was dry, don't fall for the trap of believing the dramatic video made by Ford showing a wet or damp track, as the lap and media shots were on different days. You can also refer weather for the lap day for Nürburg and see that no rainfall was recorded.
@powerslider30477 Yes though they went back the week before it closed. It did rain 🌧 earlier. Another thing I saw Dirk Mueler upload the REV Limiter was set at 6,300 RPM. I have a Mustang GT Performance Pack it Redlines at
8,200 rpm I also have a Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission.
This Automatic Paddle Shifters DCT or CVT is junk. The sequencial lever is better.
The mistake is that it starts as a base Mustang GT shell. It should start as the Dark Horse so it would have the Magneride Suspension. That why the Suspension is not as smooth either.
It's still a primitive race car. 👦👍🏎🏁🚩 hand Biult in Canada 🇨🇦
The suspension the car left Ford with is irrelevant. Multimatic changed everything. Nothing Ford factory is left. The suspension on the GTD is light-years ahead of the Magnaride. In fact Steeda did a video about tge Magnaride. You should watch it. @@ChasingDifferentAdventures
Which American "sports car" of the two 4000lb pigs is faster. The Mustang is a Canadian car built by Multimatic. It is a very low and limited production, very expensive race car with active aero and massive down force.
The ZR1 is a street car. GM should give the ZR1 to Pratt and Miller (the company that builds the C8R for GM) double the price and have them rebuild it from the ground up with active aero, massive downforce, active suspension. Basically make it a no compromise track car like the Mutimatic.
I would much rather see Multimatic build a car without all the restrictions and requirements from Ford holding them back from what they can easily do much much better.
There are a significant number of quite fantastic cars in the $350K to $400K range of this 4000lb Mustang.
300K for a mustang? It better be faster than anything else at this price point.
I don't care about these two vehicles the new rear engined Corvette,I don't like it l
I like the C7 Corvettes with their non claustrophobic cabin interiors.The only mustang's I like are the regular mustang gt 's and the new whipple factory warranted Whipple supercharger kit.800 plus horsepower with a regular gt that costs a little over $50k verses $300k plus for a mustang GTD for rich people.👍🏻
Honestly I thought the c8z is much faster than 7.10. That time just doesn't seem right, given it's lap time at other tracks. Its very quick. I thought that car was 6:55ish all day.
I'll still be that guy.....the zr1 will smoke the GTDs time. I think below 6:50 is definitely possible. Can't wait to see tho
No, C8Z gearing is not ideal in 5th. It maybe similar to ZR1 to keep all similar. Lap time should be closer to GT3 time 7:04.74 by Sport Auto. Porsche driver was below 7 min.
@jeffwill4923 except when lightning lap tested the c7 zr1 it went 164mph down the straight at vir, the c8 z06 went 160mph....in 5th....I'm telling you all this crap makes no sense.
@@camonly849 That's true but GM lap was in better conditions. Had a higher top speed in ZR1. The GT3 VIR lap time is only a sec off CZ. That's why I used Ring time with similar driver like VIR.
@jeffwill4923 well the zr1 speed I referenced was car and drivers speed. GMs top speed in the straight was 170mph. So I chose the lower. Leads me to believe the c8z could probably have a better lap time than what is given.
Ya i still think 7.10 is terrible for what it is. It would be nice if conditions were ideal when GM runs the zr1 and hopefully z06. But who knows.
I don’t think the corvette with no DRS and factory suspension will be able to get under 7. I think it will be close and absolutely quick. But I just don’t see it. But I also didn’t see 233! So what do I know
is the ford GTD really that good seeing how ford will not warranty the car if you track it. But gm will warranty the ZR1.
Good, then buy a zr1!
You seem to forget, GM went bankrupt in 2009 trying to compete with Hyundai in their 10 year warranty. Still have not heard anyone say anything about the Ford GT mid-engine monster on the Nuremberg track? Remember when Ford was penalized with added weight for being twin turbid and mid-engine, while the C7 Corvette had no penalties. GM added weight to the Porsches also.
@dennyhobbs6977 That's incorrect. They won't warranty it if you race it competitively. That's not the same as just going to track days. GM also won't warranty the ZR1 if you race it competitively.
so many have challenged sport auto and misha as well. makes no sense actually. Chevy needs to go out and have someone drive the car.
6:57 is not that impressive for what the car is supposed to be.
For the weight it's about what I expected C7 ZR1 had a similar estimate time.
Ford didn’t make the gtd some third party company did.
also GM didnt rent the track out like ford did GM was out there with other cars. gm should rent the track out.
It should be a 150k car
Are you a registered Cost Accountant? What you think and what reality dictates are light years apart.
Chevrolet could tear ford up if they wanted. They always have
How's that? It use to be Mustang vs Camaro and that's dead because it can't compete. C8 is impressive but it's literally never won Le Mans outright which is kind of a measure of a cars capability. Even Viper has won 24H races outright. Corvette dominated it's class and always have. Sorry, they still are catching up to Ford 👍
@@chrismathes3647 dude class wins are all that matters, why on earth would you want a lmgt3 car to beat a hypercar
@@Arithmophobia 👍
I would just have to say that the GTD is an all out race car and to compare it to what GM is doing with the C8 is wrong. Let's compare apples to apples now. I will see more C8 ZR1s on the road than this car.
Didn’t Ford performed their own test on the racetrack while Chevy had a third-party do it? I’m not sure. Sure the Z06 isn’t faster. I can go sub seven minutes.