I still can't get past that lawyer saying a young teen is living in a fantasy world bc he wants to be a movie producer when they grow up. Whaaat?!! You and your client are the delulu ones!!!
@@lesliemcculloch1590 For real though!!! I was expecting it to be something completely off the wall. Movie producer though??? That’s a completely normal aspiration. Like truly wtf.
these people are absolutely delusional especially that lawyer and that judge. i wanna know what makes you so skeptical of a child when a pvc pipe with that child’s blood on it was found in the house. that’s enough for me. it’s not like he’s 16 17 18… this boy was 12. sounds like these people just don’t care about children.
Most parents are like "oh you want to be a ballerina or an NFL player or a marine biologist? That's great sweetie I will support you in whatever you want to do" and this guy is like "my son is living in a fantasy world, he will never amount to anything interesting." He sucks as a father!
I will never in my life understand why guilty AF people make the choice to go on Nancy Grace. Like you’re not getting anything over on her. And she will call you out, no questions asked. That TV moment was priceless
Well in this case he did it bc he was after money as said in his texts to wife...being on her show would maximize the reach in hopes for better pay day..while thinking he smarter then everyone had it all figured out, he had confidence to do it, he was mistaken ...
The judge pissed me tf off. I grew up in an abusive household, I had social media. I had made it in secret because I just wanted some kind of outlet for my drawings and to try and make friends. Just because a kid has social media doesn’t mean they aren’t isolated at home. And he clearly had “access outside of the basement” because he snuck up to use the bathroom?? Lady do you hear yourself?? I very seldom saw family or went outside my home without supervision, but those few instances I was able to suddenly means I wasn’t isolated or restricted? I honestly can’t with that bs.
I agree with you! Absolutely ridiculous notions!! I hope your life is filled with healing and more peace after what you endured as a child. To say a child wasn't isolated just because they created a secret Twitter account is totally asinine!
I bet that judge would say Elizabeth Smart chose to stay with her abductor and rapist because she didn’t call for help. That judge would dismiss the mental abuse that makes victims complacent. What a bitch.
What on earth is wrong with that judge. She’s coming off as so angry. It’s unprofessional and she really isn’t making any sense. She even says that he had to sneak up to get food and go to the bathroom. If he has to sneak, it’s abuse.
She pointed out inconsistencies in his story, which were there. The threshold for torture wasn't met and she explained clearly why. The threshold for abuse was, and she moved the charges forward.
I see where your coming from@redshed2020 but she was unprofessional and sounded liked a petulant child... regardless of the point a judge should NEVER speak that way about or to a child. Exspecially when EVERYTHING that kid did matches a abused child changing stories to fit a venue.
That judge should be taken off the bench! She had ZERO compassion for that child NONE! So the kid may have lied or maybe he had inconsistent statements because he was TRAUMATIZED and FEARFUL of a man that BEAT HIM WITH A PVC PIPE! SHAME ON YOU JUDGE! This CHILD was ABUSED and you angerly defamed him his character n made light of what the VICTIM in that case went through! A parent that can BEAT A CHILD WITH A PIPE VERY WELL COULD HAVE KILLED THAT CHILD! GET THIS MONEY 💰 WAS WHAT HIS DAD SAID.. DID ANYONE CHECK TO SEE IF HE PUT A LIFE INSURANCE POLICY ON CHARLIE?
And she keeps saying “it’s more than a confused child’s testimony there is something more”, like this CHILD got up there to lie and be manipulative. Wtf
Naw that’s bs cuz my son will eat a full course meal and then still try to bring his ahh to the kitchen to eat more 😩 so that don’t mean nothing at all depending on the child…so I’m guess I’m wrong too when I know this 17 year old is full and still tryna eat me out of house and home and tell him to gtfo my kitchen
absolutely. it sounds like everything she did was to try wear him out and break his spirit including with the aggressive and constant physical activity with just about no ability to take care of himself or even do simple things like using the bathroom. she's a messed up woman for sure.
This judge makes me so mad. She's so aggressive. "He snuck up to use the bathroom. ---There's no proof of restriction to the basement." What child needs to sneak to the bathroom?!
Yah, and he said he hadn't had a BM in 10 days, so how does she know he was pooping in the bathroom and not just peeing? I assume the judge wasn't there. I think also, given the evidence and allegations and age of Charlie, that it would look a lot better if she would deliver her judgment in a more calm manner and not shout it as if Charlie were some kind of hardened criminal she was preaching a sermon to warn people against him. It's overkill, even if he did lie.
What an unprofessional judge!! She’s yelling and upset and is obviously NOT impartial. She’s acting like she’s defending herSELF!!!!! I’m so angry. Mad as helllll
good point, I'd take a closer look at how her kids are doing if she has any. Why is she THAT invested in discrediting him to the point of taking that tone?
Was she delusional? How? Explain to me how she was delusional because I heard a woman basing her findings on empirical evidence. Is it because she is black, she is perceived to be angry? I never say that, but I have never witnessed ppl being angry with a woman who based her judgment solely upon the truth. He lied several times. Because he is an adolescent does that mean she can not be passionate because he lied? She held the father responsible for the pvc pipe. But it's absurd to actually believe that the FBI couldn't find him because his parents were moving him between apart. Sorry, I would be enraged if I were her that doctor who has never evaluated a patient would claim torture and lack of food etc, when in reality it's the opposite according to the actual hospital that checked him out. That a doctor would make dramatic claims based off of what? A hunch? When the er physicians actually seen the patient and their findings were completely opposite to hers. Sorry. Explain to me why this strong woman is delusional? Why? You could have said you hated her tone or anything else but delusional. Ironically, she is more logical than you. I ate..I didn't eat..hmm torture..well nourished...who seems to be delusional There was abuse, I believe, but the teenager was also lying amd that was proven by court and documents.
The judge stating that Charlie would sneak upstairs for food and therefore not tortured.... No child should have to sneak food. They should be fed and cared for by their guardians. Him saying the stepmom brought him food and then saying he had to sneak food to me reads he was covering HER ass at first and THEN came clean because if it had been up to his parents, he would NOT have been well nourished.
Even if she did bring him food, it was said it was a protein shake (appx. 250 calories per shake). That's not enough for a growing child that is forced to work out hours a day. He had to have needed 3000+ calories a day.
This judge needs to be removed from the bench!!! She is stating Charlie was lying?!? He was a terrified child who had to SNEAK to the bathroom and to get food!
No, she said that his statements were inconsistent with the documents that she reviewed as well as his testimony and specific charges cannot be brought against them.
I found is absolutely insane that she used him having a secret social Media to prove he wasn’t be controlled. Gypsy also had secret social Media, doesn’t mean she wasn’t controlled.
I also love how this judge claims he wasn't isolated and he had friends because he had a social media account that he had to hide and he was sent out to different family gatherings occasionally.
Of course he had to hide it. He was twelve and you're not allowed to have your own social media account until you are thirteen. If he had actually been abducted people would be yelling about how irresponsible his parents were that he had social media at age 12.
The texts saying “let’s get this money” says pretty much everything I need to know. Not to mention his reaction while on Nancy grace, wanting to clear his name asap, forcing his child to work out twice a day, the literal pipe and scars… I can’t believe that judge. I hope Charlie is living and happy healthy life now as an adult🤍
Seriously! I thought it was a little weird when I was recently visiting my sister that she's got a daily exercise routine for her kids, but it's basic stuff totally geared to their ages and sizes, in the hopes that they get into the habit of working out young. After watching this, I think that with my sis being a yoga and fitness instructor it makes sense, especially compared to this! My nieces are absolutely allowed to take bathroom breaks, and skip a daily workout if they aren't feeling well. And they're not doing manditory weights and eliptical reps! That's completely nuts! What were they trying to train this kid for?!?
Yes I felt like I was missing something I did they make him exercise for punishment or like to be rigid? It's hard to believe a 12 year old would have such a regimented workout schedule But Stephanie is right people like Monique they are so awful people would rather not confront and have them call the out. And then when they do say stuff it sounds so nutty. My boyfriend's mom is like that.
Honestly, Nancy Grace's facial expressions always make me lmfao! She's like the Judge Judy of true crime. She's done some amazing stuff, but she's so over the top sometimes!
I was SEETHING as she read her judgment off in that condescending voice! And correct me if wrong, but isn’t a Doctor at a Hospital the more qualified person to say if Charlie looked underfed or not?? More than one said he was, including police. Also how detrimental to this boy must it be when a judge is basically agreeing with his ‘step-monster’ that he is lying in his testimony? How many times have children, even at 12, been ‘inconsistent’ when they recount events?? It doesn’t mean they are lying! SICKENING!
She was correct on a lot though, not enough evidence for torture, there were inconsistencies, and moving ahead the abuse charges court was correct. There is enough evidence to support abuse charges. I didn't care for her demeanor though.
There would’ve been no continuing the interview for me if I was happy to find my missing child. If there was no record to clear I wouldn’t have kept trying to clear it.
Unfortunately, it's not really surprising..... The job is extremely stressful and people start to take it out on their kids.... But there's also the fact that many people with violent tendencies become nurses (and doctors) because it gives them a position of control over others. They literally hold people's lives in their hands.
Daughter of a nurse who was abusive and tried to kill me-it’s amazing how someone can be such an amazing nurse, but be a shit person at home. I will never take from my mother the fact that she was very damned good at her job. I just with she was half as good to me as she was to her patients. But she threw it all away.
Well and if his kid doesn’t become a Dr or a lawyer he’s a total failure. I guess that makes dad a complete loser in his own eyes. He is in mine but not for being a nurse.
Why is he having a panic attack about his son being found and immediately becoming defensive? If he was truly innocent he would be overjoyed to know his son was alive and safe.
His reaction is so bizarre. Your son was found alive and you're not immediately getting up and running to him???? Instead you're looking like you just got caught red handed???? Wtf????????
also the attorney claiming that Charlie lives in a fantasy world bc he said he wanted to become a movie producer... hello? Movie producer is an actual real life job, its not like he said he wanted to become a wizard or somthing, and also he's TWELVE. Like is a 12y/o expected to say his dream job is to be an insurance salesman??
I'm not defending what they lawyer said, but I don't think he was saying Charlie lived in a fantasy world because it's unrealistic to think he could become a film producer. I took it to mean that he has an active imagination, which comes with the territory if you're a screen writer, or director, or producer.
That judge was paid off by Moniques uncle. I cannot be convinced otherwise. She's totally unprofessional at minimum and liable to be disbarred at maximum
I couldn’t help but be suspicious of something like that myself. Sounds like she needs to take her Mydol before she goes into court… Sounds like wicked PMS
Note how the judge made sure to day "disciplined" instead of "abused", "tortured" or "hit" by his father with a pipe. She's mincing words in order to make what happened look like a normal things parents do.
I caught that too, she caught herself saying that Charles "beat" his son with a pvc pipe and quickly said "disciplined". It honestly makes me wonder what her house is like
Exactly she is disgusting and I won’t be shocked she doesn’t end up linked to some trafficking ring like most of these judges so often times end up being apart of. That step mom is scary
For me, the texts between the parents saying something like "we need to get this money so we can ship him off" make it seem like they fabricated this entire "missing son" story as an attempt to somehow gain from it financially so they could ship him off to boarding school, or military school.
Right?! When money was mentioned I thought maybe they were planning to start a GoFundMe to get as much as possible then 'miraculously' find Charlie and pocket the money. I think boarding school was just an idle threat to keep Charlie "in line" rather than actually being feasible for them. Plus, if you're abusing a child you don't let your victim get away to boarding school and out of your reach instead you keep them nice and close and isolated from any means of escape and friends that could help them. I think money might have been the real motivation behind this bizarre disappearance but I'm glad the abuse was discovered and Charlie and the other children are now safe and with better people.
Yes!!! The last sentence: “Let’s get the money and get him gone”. WTH did they mean by ‘get him gone’?? Maybe that’s exactly what the step-monster was doing by putting Charlie in that closet - waiting to see if they could get away w/ him ‘disappearing’ and if so, then ‘get him gone’!!!
@lilacchocolate but why would they use an idle threat in a conversation the child wouldn't see? I think he wanted to ship him off because he was an embarrassment to them. He thought very little of his son. The abuse wasn't to the extent that they would want to keep him or he would've been covered from head to toe with scars. Plus his step mom clearly doesn't like him. The plan was probably to get money, ship him off and never see him again.
I was thinking the same thing when he said I’m a nurse and I care for people every day. I was like oh OK you know you’re a nurse nurses don’t kill people or hurt people Lord no how dumb of us smh they were sketchy from the beginning
@@drewpowers2463 Exactly. Some of the meanest, nastiest people I've ever met have been nurses. There's also the saying that the field attracts the mean girls and childhood bullies.
I used to live in a hospital, and some of the meanest people that I've ever met have been nurses. They used to steal from me (6 iPads), not give me medication for my medical condition, not let me shower (I didn't get to shower for almost 2 years), etc. A lot of nurses are just high school bullies who got a job, in my opinion. 😒
@@CakeShake22 Also, here's an interesting trend that I've noticed: younger nurses seem to be meaner than older nurses, and female nurses seem to be meaner than male nurses. In my opinion, since nursing is "trending" right now, a lot of Mean Girls go into nursing for the clout and the power-trip.
Yeah, their 1st main focus is just on clearing themselves rather than to find the child.... when asked very poignant questions like how would they be handling the investigation etc, it's so freakin telling
yeah, i’m not a parent, but i feel like if i had a missing kid, i’d be WAY more concerned about finding my kid than proving that i’m innocent. granted, i would be innocent, so i’d have nothing to prove anyway!
I would want to be cleared immediately so they can focus on the next step. Also so I wouldn't lose my job because that takes care of my kids. But this dude, lady have mercy, they did it
Jesus, I was listening to the judge’s testimony in this video (didn’t watch it) and I legitimately thought that was the DEFENSE attorney for the way she was talking!
I thought the same exact thing bc I'm mainly listening. I had to check the screen to check who was talking bc I thought their lawyer was a man, and was so shocked!! I had to go back to when she started talking because I was so confused
That judge has no idea the different ways trauma shows on abused victims. It is so sad to know these types of people are the ones that make a decision for justice.
I don't have kids but I've lost a cat to an accident and we didn't find him for days (RIP Khoshekh, my sweet baby boy). That week and a half was agony. Watching the Nancy Grace interview, I almost burst into tears just imagining how it would feel to learn that your loved one was found alive after 11 days. As soon as I heard, I would have sprinted out of that interview and not said another word until I had my son in my arms. Good lord.
Oh my goodness…that judge is disgustingly aggressive. Why would she speak like that about a child, in front of the child?? Teaching little Charlie adults will not protect him. SMH
I’m sure she will one day be linked to some type of child trafficking ring 😒😒😒 disturbing how these judges be so focus on tearing down other professionals in this case the doctor they neglect to protect the actual victim The child. She should be ashamed of herself
That fact that hood first response wasn’t, “MY SON IS ALIVE!?!?”, or “THEY FOUND HIM?? HALLELUJAH!!”, and then tears of joy, is all I needed to know to understand this guy was shady af.
Why does that judge sound like a passionate defense attorney against little Charlie instead of an impartial judge?? Makes me wonder if she is familiar with his politician uncle…
I had the exact same thought! Plus one thing that irked me…. Maybe I missed something but she used the fact that he would sneak upstairs to eat and use the bathroom as proof that he was not denied these things….. I would think it was the opposite?
I wrote this under another comment but wanted it to stand alone too: People don't understand abuse. Abusers can't do it 24/7. You make an excellent point. "Sneaking" to go to the bathroom is indeed abuse. "Sneaking" out to play with friends because you can't otherwise, is abuse. I've been in abusive situations and sometimes I was spoiled and love bombed with things and other times I was denied basic things and treated very cruelly. It depends on the mood of the abuser. Even if you have to sneak to get freedom, it never feels like freedom. The whole time you're doing the thing you've been told is "wrong" you're riddled with guilt, anxiety, fear that the abuser is going to catch you and punish you for it and then you have to keep reminding yourself "It's ok to drive! I can go where I want! Screw it if he catches me!" but it only makes you feel empowered for a minute because the guilt fear and anxiety sneaks in again. It gets to the point where obeying becomes more comfortable than your freedom because fighting for moments of freedom is so stressful. No one should ever hyperventilate, get diarrhea, or shake and cry because they want to do something most people are allowed to do everyday. "Sneaking" is abuse--self-abuse--as a result of being forbidden in the first place by the original abuser. If that makes sense??
“He wants to be a movie producer when he grows up, he’s clearly living in a fantasy world.” How dare he say that. He was 12!! That’s normal for kids! And the judge - she made my skin boil. How can you say that sneaking around to use the MF bathroom isn’t a sign of torture? If he had to sneak around to go to the bathroom that just tells me he was living in fear of being caught and punished. For a basic human function no less. I hope they looked into the connection with the AG uncle of the step mom and this judicial process.
This judge is despicable. She is defending his isolation because he had social media? That doesnt teach a kid how to be socialized. There were no other children in the complex. His next oldest sibling was 4! She also defended his lack of food and water stating that 'he stated Monique brought him food and water'....in the basement! She bent over backward to not find charges of abuse. This foul judge's ruling definitely stood to gain some benefit from a working relationship with Monique's uncle. What she did is disgusting and reckless.
I was a kid who was a bit overweight and my step dad would get me to work out or try to control my diet. He stopped after some time but yeah 2x a is quite over kill.
@@wolfrahmphosphoros5808Yes I thought that too immediately, as soon as I heard that too. It's very sad some of the things that people do to kids, and that so many kids are living in terrible situations like that.
I agree, even when I was a workout junkie, I would alternate between body parts and have at least two rest days. Now mind you once a day is enough, but the same regimen EVERY single day. The kid was probably so sore he could hardly move.
Listening to the rather dramatic Judge, describing Charlie's inconsistencies: my impression is of an abused/fearful child, telling every authority figure the story he thinks they want to hear. He's trying so hard to please someone.
My son (now 18) was being traumatised in school and I was made to take him in each day. I physically dragged him there to avoid social workers or fines(in the UK you get fined for non attendance!) He made up a story to his teachers and we had police at the door. The police asked me " are you saying he is a liar" it was so awful as no parent wants to accused their kid of lying but he was through no fault of his own. After the whole ordeal I removed him from the school. All these years later he is still traumatised. Not the same as this story as the abuse was at school not home but can completely relate as to why/how children may have to lie in these situations.
I was chronic people pleaser as a child with abuse in my childhood, I said whatever I thought people wanted to hear to earn some attention and affection.
The news videos are so telling… the nonexistent tears Monique is CONSTANTLY whipping away… the lack of sadness either person displays. Even the immediate panic Charles shows when he’s told Charlie had been found… panic… not joy or relief or excitement… panic.
I hope this judge is relinquished of her position with the court. How unprofessional. Is she the attorney? Why the hell is she yelling? Why didn’t she take a single breath during her rants? Like does she even hear herself? How IGNORANT.
@@Truecrimewithchris66 you have nooo idea how angry you’re about to be. I couldn’t even listen to all of it. I finally got to the point where I had to fast forward through it because the reality of what she was saying about a CHILD who was horrifically abused made me furious. 😭😢
1:02:07 this judge has never experienced abuse and it really shows. My parents restricted food, isolated me, including through homeschooling, and locked me away for an extended period of time. But abusers aren't usually professional correctional officers. They make mistakes and exceptions. Those DON'T excuse the rest of the abusive behavior. My mom taking me out to eat on my bday didn't make the locks on the cupboards disappear. It just made it easier for people to pretend I was full of shit and ignore what was going on right in front of them.
I rather think otherwise. She was abused to the point of losing all empathy and emotional connection. Many judges are narcissists or psychopaths. They are attracted to jobs of power over people. She is probably the same type of parent to her kids, as Charles and his new wife, to Charlie jr. She is completely coldhearted, even arrogant. Does not know or care about a child psychology. Completely lacks empathy and insight. I am not surprised, though. As I said. Narcissists are attracted to any positions, where they can control other's lives. I'm sure this woman hurt many victims during her trials.
Either she’s uneducated about abuse(which I doubt considering she’s a judge), was abused as a child/abuses her children in a similar manner, or was somehow paid off by the defense team.
I feel like that awful judge keeps ignoring a key point…why was Charlie being confined to a basement for ANY reason even if he figured out a way to move around the residence undetected?
@@StephanieHarlowe I love & appreciate the work and time that you put in to the research!! Going through all the evidence and other info is time consuming and can be hard on your mental and emotional health. You are doing amazing! 🤍
Oh, that Judge's commentary makes me so angry! Just because his hiding place wasn't locked doesn't mean he wasn't imprisoned. The fact he had to SNEAK into the apartment to steal food & use the bathroom doesn't mean his parents weren't withholding the necessities of life. Just because a child's testimony has a couple of discrepancies doesn't mean all his statements are lies. Incredibly ignorant take, worthy of a defense lawyer rather than a judge.
This is exactly why victims never speak up and then eventually meet their demise either by their own hand or their abuser. It will never cease to amaze me that the cry for help of the victim is ignored or made to look like a lie.
Sorry for the multiple comments, but i keep being struck by other things. The judge said she didnt believe him as he didn't shout when his father was looking for him. But he said monique said, "Say nothing whatever you hear." And he feared his father.
You get kids who are afraid enough that they think it’s a trap. He was in the basement and told to be quiet no matter what. How could he know that his father calling wasn’t a trap?
So... is it somehow bad etiquette to comment multiple times? (I mean, they ask us to comment, so would'nt more be better?) Sincere question as an older-than-average person on here... is it better to go find my original post and add to that? (But then seems like some people do t like "edits" either.... sigh) who knows.
So... is it somehow bad etiquette to comment multiple times? (I mean, they ask us to comment, so wouldn't more be better?) Sincere question as an older-than-average person on here... is it better to go find my original post and add to that? (But then seems like some people dont like "edits" either.... sigh) who knows. One friend made fun of me for texting like that, 2 or 3 separate thoughts... just how my brain works
hey, @@DoeMeNeek, of course it's fine to comment multiple times :) as you said, the more the better - it boosts engagement and promotes the video in the algorithm so more people can see it :) a great way to support creators without paying a dime would also be subscribing and clicking the bell icon, it also helps with the algorithm. watching the the video to the very end and watching ads helps with monetisation so i would recommend that as well if you want your favourite creators to keep doing what they love :) hope that helps (even if it's a somewhat long explanation 😅)
Haha- as if practically everyone doesn’t know that is “homeschooling” isn’t an incredibly popular claim of parents who want their abuse to remain below the radar!!😒
I know some people who have been home schooled. It's not bad but not perfect. Might even be the best option for families living somewhere that has bad public schools.
With those text messages from Charles Snr to the Wicked Stepmother, he keeps mentioning something like: “let’s just get the money & be done with him (Charlie Jnr)” What money? Did they think they would raise funds from a GoFundMe or get a Reward for eventually “finding” him? Life Insurance?? I’m so confused…. What did I miss?
As an overweight kid my mom was always on me to work out- I hated the micromanaging of my life even more than the body shaming I didn’t even know was occurring. Hearing this makes me livid kids still go through this kind of bs.
SAME!! My mom used to discreetly signal to me to suck my stomach in when we where in public... I could never do that to my kids it used to hurt me so bad I got picked on enough by others I should have felt comfortable around her
That Dad’s reaction on Nancy Grace was crazy. I also did a double take when he pulled out his cellphone during Nancy Grace’s interview almost immediately after he said it was dead and in his car. The fact that this child/victim was not believed is so sad. The fact that the dad denied that there was ever a pvc pipe, only to later stand up and court and say yes, he had hit his son with a pvc pipe, shows that the father is a liar. This case has left me with more questions than answers.
This is so sad. I went through a similar form of abuse - my parent forced me on a diet for most of my teenage years and berated me for how I looked. This is so damaging, and I'm still trying to heal from it a decade later. His father and step mother seem like terrible people, and I can't believe that judge sat there defending them.
I’m just so shocked how they can’t seem to produce a tear , because even if you’re responsible for hurting someone especially, family, wouldn’t the guilt alone have you crying 😭 , but still , we seen it in the Murdaugh case , that dad couldn’t produce a tear for his wife or son, not one!!! I think maybe our brains can’t produce them While, at the same time being so anxious and nervous from getting caught . Idk it’s interesting.
Why was that stepmom so determined to have an unregistered gun in her possession? Did anyone else pick up on that? I find that very strange for this stay at home mom. It’s possible that hiding him away in the basement was just the first part of her plan to get rid of little Charlie.
Had the pipe not been found, the judge would say Charlie was lying about that, too. So if Charlie was truthful about that, why ASSUME he was lying about the rest? Because it’s “unlikely” or “unreasonable”? Nothing about this child abuse is normal! WHO KEEPS A PVC PIPE IN THEIR HOUSE?? Is that reasonable? Who’s more likely to be lying, the parents who have a bloody PVC just hanging out in their house, who could lose everything if they were found out, or the kid who has no motive to lie? That judge needs to leave bias at the door.
how is a child being told to hide in the basement not considered abuse?? because he could sneak food and water?? he would have been dead otherwise wtf. The psychological consequences of hiding in a basement for 12 days alone are enough to warrant abuse
Charles’ reaction to them finding his son on the news was so fake, i would’ve been screaming with joy and being like “ARE YOU SURE IT’S HIM??! IS HE OKAY??????”
@@ingabrown3916 exactly! I recall being "in trouble" a couple of times when I was growing up where I wasn't allowed to do certain things. But if I needed something, I could still walk freely through the house and had no problem asking my parents for something. Being on a punishment didn't bar me from household activities, like my mom would still ask me what I wanted for dinner, etc. I swear these people just don't respect children and find any excuse to be abusive toward them.
Jeez, the judge didn't hold back, did she? She absolutely infuriated me. People of power like that are the reason a lot of victims tend to suffer in silence. As a victim of domestic abuse, I was told by law enforcement "that's your take on things" I guess we'll never know the truth but why would a child stay hidden unless they were scared for one reason another? 18 months probation for beating a child with a pipe? You'd get a harsher sentence for being caught with a joint. Ridiculous
Honestly she seems like the type who would beat her own children, maybe they should have checked her for bias before letting her be a judge for this case
Ah, I love it when I'm streaming, phone in pocket, earbuds in and then I hear "the voice". Many nights I fall asleep to the same voice. Thank you, Stephanie, so much for the hard work you do. We are blessed to be alive in the same generation with you. 😊. Make sure you take care of yourself first though. We will all still be here! ❤
As soon as you said he was urinating in neighbors trash cans and starting fires, I knew he was abused. My dad was a fire investigator and every time there was a juvenile involved in arson, they had trouble at home and were screaming out for help/ attention. Poor Charlie 😔
Thank you so much for doing an update on this case. I have wondered for years what happened in this case with the father and evil step mother. Charles checking his phone while on air with Nancy Grace immediately after claiming his dead phone was "charging" in the car.... I know when I charge my phone in my truck, my phone won't charge unless my truck is running.
That’s complete bs!!! They did torture that child. The judge didn’t take into account that he would be emotionally traumatized. The workout routine was brutal.
I can’t imagine the fear he must’ve felt being found. All he would be thinking about is the wrath that’s going to come down on him from his stepmom and dad.
”He loved his son too much” must be the worst excuse for abuse 😑 I love my kids but I would never raise a hand (or PVC pipe) against any of them. Horrible ppl. Smh. I guess I must hate my kids if loving them too much equals abuse 🤷🏼♀️ I hate ppl sometimes 😡
Thank you stepanie harlowe for saying “never take a polygraph and always ask for legal advice” the best piece of advice Ive ever received💪🏼 5⭐️ in my books✅
I still can't get past that lawyer saying a young teen is living in a fantasy world bc he wants to be a movie producer when they grow up. Whaaat?!! You and your client are the delulu ones!!!
Right? Seems like a somewhat realistic aspiration. I thought he was going to say he wanted to fly around like Superman 😀
@@lesliemcculloch1590 For real though!!! I was expecting it to be something completely off the wall. Movie producer though??? That’s a completely normal aspiration. Like truly wtf.
these people are absolutely delusional especially that lawyer and that judge. i wanna know what makes you so skeptical of a child when a pvc pipe with that child’s blood on it was found in the house. that’s enough for me. it’s not like he’s 16 17 18… this boy was 12. sounds like these people just don’t care about children.
Most parents are like "oh you want to be a ballerina or an NFL player or a marine biologist? That's great sweetie I will support you in whatever you want to do" and this guy is like "my son is living in a fantasy world, he will never amount to anything interesting." He sucks as a father!
forrr real how dare he charlie can deffinatly become a movie producer or anything he wants the sky is the limit
I will never in my life understand why guilty AF people make the choice to go on Nancy Grace. Like you’re not getting anything over on her. And she will call you out, no questions asked. That TV moment was priceless
No kidding!
Right?
The worse liars always think they're the best!
What's that about??!!
narcissism
@@shoshannasays6188it’s The Dunning-Kruger effect , i.e., they lack the metacognitive ability to become aware of their incompetence.
Well in this case he did it bc he was after money as said in his texts to wife...being on her show would maximize the reach in hopes for better pay day..while thinking he smarter then everyone had it all figured out, he had confidence to do it, he was mistaken ...
The judge pissed me tf off. I grew up in an abusive household, I had social media. I had made it in secret because I just wanted some kind of outlet for my drawings and to try and make friends. Just because a kid has social media doesn’t mean they aren’t isolated at home. And he clearly had “access outside of the basement” because he snuck up to use the bathroom?? Lady do you hear yourself?? I very seldom saw family or went outside my home without supervision, but those few instances I was able to suddenly means I wasn’t isolated or restricted? I honestly can’t with that bs.
The judge was shocking. Hearing her attack that poor child like that was disgusting.
I agree with you! Absolutely ridiculous notions!! I hope your life is filled with healing and more peace after what you endured as a child. To say a child wasn't isolated just because they created a secret Twitter account is totally asinine!
did you even watch the same show?
I bet that judge would say Elizabeth Smart chose to stay with her abductor and rapist because she didn’t call for help. That judge would dismiss the mental abuse that makes victims complacent. What a bitch.
The judge is disgusting
That judge is despicable. What an awful person. I hope Charlie is thriving today and free from the adults that abused him as he’s now 22ish.
What on earth is wrong with that judge. She’s coming off as so angry. It’s unprofessional and she really isn’t making any sense. She even says that he had to sneak up to get food and go to the bathroom. If he has to sneak, it’s abuse.
She pointed out inconsistencies in his story, which were there. The threshold for torture wasn't met and she explained clearly why. The threshold for abuse was, and she moved the charges forward.
I see where your coming from@redshed2020 but she was unprofessional and sounded liked a petulant child... regardless of the point a judge should NEVER speak that way about or to a child. Exspecially when EVERYTHING that kid did matches a abused child changing stories to fit a venue.
That judge should be taken off the bench! She had ZERO compassion for that child NONE! So the kid may have lied or maybe he had inconsistent statements because he was TRAUMATIZED and FEARFUL of a man that BEAT HIM WITH A PVC PIPE! SHAME ON YOU JUDGE! This CHILD was ABUSED and you angerly defamed him his character n made light of what the VICTIM in that case went through! A parent that can BEAT A CHILD WITH A PIPE VERY WELL COULD HAVE KILLED THAT CHILD! GET THIS MONEY 💰 WAS WHAT HIS DAD SAID.. DID ANYONE CHECK TO SEE IF HE PUT A LIFE INSURANCE POLICY ON CHARLIE?
And she keeps saying “it’s more than a confused child’s testimony there is something more”, like this CHILD got up there to lie and be manipulative. Wtf
Naw that’s bs cuz my son will eat a full course meal and then still try to bring his ahh to the kitchen to eat more 😩 so that don’t mean nothing at all depending on the child…so I’m guess I’m wrong too when I know this 17 year old is full and still tryna eat me out of house and home and tell him to gtfo my kitchen
Damn, yelling about a child like that. Shame on the judge for refusing to believe him.
OHHH, you can immediately tell that "Monique" despises Charlie, like, she really hates him. 😢
Poor kid.
i knew as soon as i heard her tearing into him about his nightly elliptical workout
absolutely. it sounds like everything she did was to try wear him out and break his spirit including with the aggressive and constant physical activity with just about no ability to take care of himself or even do simple things like using the bathroom. she's a messed up woman for sure.
@@callmewisteriaTotally!! Poor Charlie.
This reminds me of Tee Stauch all over again
This judge makes me so mad. She's so aggressive. "He snuck up to use the bathroom. ---There's no proof of restriction to the basement." What child needs to sneak to the bathroom?!
yeah… having to be sneaky to go to the bathroom is wild and to me, is clearly a sign of abuse. bathroom use should obviously never be restricted
Yah, and he said he hadn't had a BM in 10 days, so how does she know he was pooping in the bathroom and not just peeing? I assume the judge wasn't there. I think also, given the evidence and allegations and age of Charlie, that it would look a lot better if she would deliver her judgment in a more calm manner and not shout it as if Charlie were some kind of hardened criminal she was preaching a sermon to warn people against him. It's overkill, even if he did lie.
That judge is an absolute clown.
She was so aggressive I thought she was the DEFENSE ATTORNEY!! I didn’t realize it was the judge until I actually watched the video portion.
How can a judge not understand the power of fear?!? Especially if a kid doesn't feel secure in his place in the family. That poor baby.
What an unprofessional judge!! She’s yelling and upset and is obviously NOT impartial. She’s acting like she’s defending herSELF!!!!! I’m so angry. Mad as helllll
A thousand percent!!
good point, I'd take a closer look at how her kids are doing if she has any. Why is she THAT invested in discrediting him to the point of taking that tone?
Maybe she's ALSO an abusive POS who is hiding a child in her basement! She certainly acts like it!
The judge was insufferable and delusional. Hope she enjoyed that power trip of humiliating that boy.
Can something be done abt her behavior?! Was she elected?!
Was she delusional? How? Explain to me how she was delusional because I heard a woman basing her findings on empirical evidence. Is it because she is black, she is perceived to be angry? I never say that, but I have never witnessed ppl being angry with a woman who based her judgment solely upon the truth. He lied several times. Because he is an adolescent does that mean she can not be passionate because he lied?
She held the father responsible for the pvc pipe. But it's absurd to actually believe that the FBI couldn't find him because his parents were moving him between apart.
Sorry, I would be enraged if I were her that doctor who has never evaluated a patient would claim torture and lack of food etc, when in reality it's the opposite according to the actual hospital that checked him out. That a doctor would make dramatic claims based off of what? A hunch? When the er physicians actually seen the patient and their findings were completely opposite to hers.
Sorry. Explain to me why this strong woman is delusional? Why? You could have said you hated her tone or anything else but delusional. Ironically, she is more logical than you. I ate..I didn't eat..hmm torture..well nourished...who seems to be delusional
There was abuse, I believe, but the teenager was also lying amd that was proven by court and documents.
The judge stating that Charlie would sneak upstairs for food and therefore not tortured....
No child should have to sneak food. They should be fed and cared for by their guardians. Him saying the stepmom brought him food and then saying he had to sneak food to me reads he was covering HER ass at first and THEN came clean because if it had been up to his parents, he would NOT have been well nourished.
Not to mention you can be allowed to eat but still get tortured. Doesn't change anything just they might not have used food as torture device
I am listening on headphones at work and said outloud "Why does he have to sneak?!??!?@?!"
I feel like the poor boy wasn’t sure who to trust and he might think that he will get in trouble himself.
Even if she did bring him food, it was said it was a protein shake (appx. 250 calories per shake). That's not enough for a growing child that is forced to work out hours a day. He had to have needed 3000+ calories a day.
Yes!
This judge needs to be removed from the bench!!! She is stating Charlie was lying?!? He was a terrified child who had to SNEAK to the bathroom and to get food!
He was found to be a liar in several instances.
Officially a celebrity retired judge, she’s all show now, it’s all about the ratings. Sad, these times we are living
No, she said that his statements were inconsistent with the documents that she reviewed as well as his testimony and specific charges cannot be brought against them.
I found is absolutely insane that she used him having a secret social Media to prove he wasn’t be controlled. Gypsy also had secret social Media, doesn’t mean she wasn’t controlled.
Both things can be true, he was abused, and some of his story is a lie.
Monique has no room to shame that poor kid about being overweight....she doesn't look like the pillar of physical fitness. Shes giving dr. T vibes.
I laughed out loud at *Dr* T 😂 doctor my ass that wench
Both dad and stepmom don't look like they missed a meal in years. They don't look like they exercise much.
NAILED IT 100%
😂Funny, not funny! Only laughing at how you worded your very correct comment! Agree!!!!
😂 💯 Yes Ty !!!
I also love how this judge claims he wasn't isolated and he had friends because he had a social media account that he had to hide and he was sent out to different family gatherings occasionally.
Of course he had to hide it. He was twelve and you're not allowed to have your own social media account until you are thirteen. If he had actually been abducted people would be yelling about how irresponsible his parents were that he had social media at age 12.
The texts saying “let’s get this money” says pretty much everything I need to know. Not to mention his reaction while on Nancy grace, wanting to clear his name asap, forcing his child to work out twice a day, the literal pipe and scars… I can’t believe that judge. I hope Charlie is living and happy healthy life now as an adult🤍
11 minutes in and I'm already upset😠. Kid cant take a bathroom break without being called a liar??
RIGHT?!
I had the same thought! Poor kid.
Seriously!
I thought it was a little weird when I was recently visiting my sister that she's got a daily exercise routine for her kids, but it's basic stuff totally geared to their ages and sizes, in the hopes that they get into the habit of working out young. After watching this, I think that with my sis being a yoga and fitness instructor it makes sense, especially compared to this! My nieces are absolutely allowed to take bathroom breaks, and skip a daily workout if they aren't feeling well. And they're not doing manditory weights and eliptical reps! That's completely nuts! What were they trying to train this kid for?!?
Yes I felt like I was missing something I did they make him exercise for punishment or like to be rigid? It's hard to believe a 12 year old would have such a regimented workout schedule
But Stephanie is right people like Monique they are so awful people would rather not confront and have them call the out. And then when they do say stuff it sounds so nutty. My boyfriend's mom is like that.
Wow the dad talking is so hard to listen to his lies are like a beacon
He didn't have his phone?! If someone I loved was missing I would keep my phone fully charged and glued to my hand!
Right! Plus I saw him check what looked like a phone in the video right after that.
Ya that statement was super sus
Exactly! I was like ur son is missing and u let ur phone die!?
The fact that he said he left his phone in the car to charge when your phone won't charge in a car charger when the car is not running....
Right. Ridiculous
Nancy Grace's facial expressions on the video made me lmfao. She's not buying it at all 😂😂😂
Honestly, Nancy Grace's facial expressions always make me lmfao! She's like the Judge Judy of true crime. She's done some amazing stuff, but she's so over the top sometimes!
😂
the only nancy grace episode i’ve ever liked 😂
She said "sir? 🤨"
Same 😂😂😂
That judge has me so upset. She is more upset at the accusations made against the parents. She is talking like she has a bias
That judge is incredibly unprofessional. I’m baffled at how grossly dismissive she was.
That judge is the reason avoidable tragedies happen. She pissed me off to no end. 🤬
I was SEETHING as she read her judgment off in that condescending voice! And correct me if wrong, but isn’t a Doctor at a Hospital the more qualified person to say if Charlie looked underfed or not?? More than one said he was, including police.
Also how detrimental to this boy must it be when a judge is basically agreeing with his ‘step-monster’ that he is lying in his testimony? How many times have children, even at 12, been ‘inconsistent’ when they recount events?? It doesn’t mean they are lying!
SICKENING!
@@kellyrob4296 I’m pretty sure it was politically motivated since the step mother’s uncle was a politician and she’s a judge… 🤔
@@TheGoldnLuna I agree. So many things are these days and THAT is sickening too; especially in a criminal case, involving a minor, such as this one!!
She was correct on a lot though, not enough evidence for torture, there were inconsistencies, and moving ahead the abuse charges court was correct. There is enough evidence to support abuse charges. I didn't care for her demeanor though.
"Your Son has been found alive in your basement" 😮😳
His reaction is shock, not joy. I think that's very telling 😒
I would’ve said “I’m sorry Ms Nancy Grace I have to go get my son!”
There would’ve been no continuing the interview for me if I was happy to find my missing child. If there was no record to clear I wouldn’t have kept trying to clear it.
Excellent job as Always!! Appreciate You!!
His reaction was literally “Uhhh ahhhh aahhpp 😦😦”
Really bad acting
The fact that his father is a NURSE who people trust to care for others is very concerning.
Unfortunately, it's not really surprising..... The job is extremely stressful and people start to take it out on their kids.... But there's also the fact that many people with violent tendencies become nurses (and doctors) because it gives them a position of control over others. They literally hold people's lives in their hands.
@jwats9184 that's terrifying
As a stressed out nurse (retired), I can tell you that my kids were my comfort, NOT the opposite!
Daughter of a nurse who was abusive and tried to kill me-it’s amazing how someone can be such an amazing nurse, but be a shit person at home. I will never take from my mother the fact that she was very damned good at her job. I just with she was half as good to me as she was to her patients. But she threw it all away.
Well and if his kid doesn’t become a Dr or a lawyer he’s a total failure. I guess that makes dad a complete loser in his own eyes. He is in mine but not for being a nurse.
Why is he having a panic attack about his son being found and immediately becoming defensive? If he was truly innocent he would be overjoyed to know his son was alive and safe.
He was acting like he was dying. He's a terrible actor, like thats absurb to omg and bouncing between the 2
His reaction is so bizarre. Your son was found alive and you're not immediately getting up and running to him???? Instead you're looking like you just got caught red handed???? Wtf????????
also the attorney claiming that Charlie lives in a fantasy world bc he said he wanted to become a movie producer... hello? Movie producer is an actual real life job, its not like he said he wanted to become a wizard or somthing, and also he's TWELVE. Like is a 12y/o expected to say his dream job is to be an insurance salesman??
I'm not defending what they lawyer said, but I don't think he was saying Charlie lived in a fantasy world because it's unrealistic to think he could become a film producer. I took it to mean that he has an active imagination, which comes with the territory if you're a screen writer, or director, or producer.
He meant he lives in a fantasy world because he wants to produce movies....stories! It is a ridiculous comment.
That judge was paid off by Moniques uncle. I cannot be convinced otherwise. She's totally unprofessional at minimum and liable to be disbarred at maximum
i was thinking she was definitely paid off
I agree 100%, and if not paid off, then she owed him a favor.
My very EXACT thought. They're probably screwing each other.
More likely they are friends
I couldn’t help but be suspicious of something like that myself.
Sounds like she needs to take her Mydol before she goes into court… Sounds like wicked PMS
If a missing child was seen out playing basketball wouldn't someone report that? I mean I definitely would.
Exactly.
We're like ten minutes in and i can already tell from the "he wants desperately live with his mother" that there is abuse in that house
that Nancy Grace clip is absolutely legendary
Note how the judge made sure to day "disciplined" instead of "abused", "tortured" or "hit" by his father with a pipe. She's mincing words in order to make what happened look like a normal things parents do.
I caught that too, she caught herself saying that Charles "beat" his son with a pvc pipe and quickly said "disciplined". It honestly makes me wonder what her house is like
Exactly she is disgusting and I won’t be shocked she doesn’t end up linked to some trafficking ring like most of these judges so often times end up being apart of. That step mom is scary
“Then he disciplined his son in the face with a gun” completely and utterly ridiculous
For me, the texts between the parents saying something like "we need to get this money so we can ship him off" make it seem like they fabricated this entire "missing son" story as an attempt to somehow gain from it financially so they could ship him off to boarding school, or military school.
Right?! When money was mentioned I thought maybe they were planning to start a GoFundMe to get as much as possible then 'miraculously' find Charlie and pocket the money. I think boarding school was just an idle threat to keep Charlie "in line" rather than actually being feasible for them. Plus, if you're abusing a child you don't let your victim get away to boarding school and out of your reach instead you keep them nice and close and isolated from any means of escape and friends that could help them.
I think money might have been the real motivation behind this bizarre disappearance but I'm glad the abuse was discovered and Charlie and the other children are now safe and with better people.
Yes!!! The last sentence: “Let’s get the money and get him gone”. WTH did they mean by ‘get him gone’??
Maybe that’s exactly what the step-monster was doing by putting Charlie in that closet - waiting to see if they could get away w/ him ‘disappearing’ and if so, then ‘get him gone’!!!
That makes sense
@lilacchocolate but why would they use an idle threat in a conversation the child wouldn't see? I think he wanted to ship him off because he was an embarrassment to them. He thought very little of his son. The abuse wasn't to the extent that they would want to keep him or he would've been covered from head to toe with scars. Plus his step mom clearly doesn't like him. The plan was probably to get money, ship him off and never see him again.
@camicoz My thoughts exactly! Those were texts between the father and stepmother, talking about getting the money they need to send him away.
Lucy Letby was also a nurse… doesn’t automatically mean you’re a good person. That judge was just infuriating.
I was thinking the same thing when he said I’m a nurse and I care for people every day. I was like oh OK you know you’re a nurse nurses don’t kill people or hurt people Lord no how dumb of us smh they were sketchy from the beginning
@@drewpowers2463 Exactly. Some of the meanest, nastiest people I've ever met have been nurses. There's also the saying that the field attracts the mean girls and childhood bullies.
I used to live in a hospital, and some of the meanest people that I've ever met have been nurses. They used to steal from me (6 iPads), not give me medication for my medical condition, not let me shower (I didn't get to shower for almost 2 years), etc.
A lot of nurses are just high school bullies who got a job, in my opinion. 😒
When I worked in Healthcare, most nurses (although not all of them, of course) were some of the meanest people I have ever met.
@@CakeShake22 Also, here's an interesting trend that I've noticed: younger nurses seem to be meaner than older nurses, and female nurses seem to be meaner than male nurses. In my opinion, since nursing is "trending" right now, a lot of Mean Girls go into nursing for the clout and the power-trip.
I swear, when parents highlight they want to ‘clear their name’, that’s the big red flag now 🙈 first Letecia Stauch and now Charlie’s dad and stepmom
Yeah, their 1st main focus is just on clearing themselves rather than to find the child.... when asked very poignant questions like how would they be handling the investigation etc, it's so freakin telling
yeah, i’m not a parent, but i feel like if i had a missing kid, i’d be WAY more concerned about finding my kid than proving that i’m innocent. granted, i would be innocent, so i’d have nothing to prove anyway!
I would want to be cleared immediately so they can focus on the next step. Also so I wouldn't lose my job because that takes care of my kids. But this dude, lady have mercy, they did it
That judge is grandstanding like crazy! Is she auditioning to be the next Judge Judy?
Tbh that's just how she talks.
i am not surprised this is the only video i was able to find, covering the case (besides news channels).
Jesus, I was listening to the judge’s testimony in this video (didn’t watch it) and I legitimately thought that was the DEFENSE attorney for the way she was talking!
I thought the same exact thing bc I'm mainly listening. I had to check the screen to check who was talking bc I thought their lawyer was a man, and was so shocked!! I had to go back to when she started talking because I was so confused
Me too
I think the judge and the defense attorney uncle might be buddies.
Me too, it annoyed me so much once I realized halfway through that I just skipped the rest
💯 my thoughts
Child: is neglected and abused.
The judge: and I took that personally.
reminds me of another case, timothy pitzen if i am not mistaken. the mother was feeding the court BS and the judge just said "No, just no".
So it wasn't just me? She was pissing me off!
@@valenciabush432me too!! Good god she shouldn’t be able to speak about a child like that!
Her non-stop, angry, aggressive "judgement" was shameful.
Makes me wonder if the judge was paid off or something. Especially since step mom's uncle is running for AG of the state.
Seems like Charlie's parents, the judge and defense lawyers are all followers of Ruby Franke 's " parenting" style
Yes!
That judge has no idea the different ways trauma shows on abused victims. It is so sad to know these types of people are the ones that make a decision for justice.
I don't have kids but I've lost a cat to an accident and we didn't find him for days (RIP Khoshekh, my sweet baby boy). That week and a half was agony. Watching the Nancy Grace interview, I almost burst into tears just imagining how it would feel to learn that your loved one was found alive after 11 days. As soon as I heard, I would have sprinted out of that interview and not said another word until I had my son in my arms. Good lord.
When Nancy grace tells him he is deep breath and says oh shit…. Who says oh shit when their missing child is found!!!!!!
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!!!
Oh my goodness…that judge is disgustingly aggressive. Why would she speak like that about a child, in front of the child?? Teaching little Charlie adults will not protect him. SMH
She is talking like she has a bias
I cannot imagine the betrayal Charlie probably felt hearing this POS judge talk…
This is what we mean when we say society tends to adultify young black children.
I’m sure she will one day be linked to some type of child trafficking ring
😒😒😒 disturbing how these judges be so focus on tearing down other professionals in this case the doctor they neglect to protect the actual victim
The child. She should be ashamed of herself
I love Nancy. 😂 “Sir…? 👀” She was a beast at CrimeCon last year!
She’s definitely a beast
Irk 😂 she's awesome!
I don’t understand why she’s yelling. Is she mad that she had to hear this case? Calm down lady! 😂
That judge is disgusting, why is she yelling at a child like that?!
That fact that hood first response wasn’t, “MY SON IS ALIVE!?!?”, or “THEY FOUND HIM?? HALLELUJAH!!”, and then tears of joy, is all I needed to know to understand this guy was shady af.
Why does that judge sound like a passionate defense attorney against little Charlie instead of an impartial judge?? Makes me wonder if she is familiar with his politician uncle…
Ha! I literally just wrote the same thing!
I had the exact same thought! Plus one thing that irked me…. Maybe I missed something but she used the fact that he would sneak upstairs to eat and use the bathroom as proof that he was not denied these things….. I would think it was the opposite?
@@amandaperrell2434Meaning, he wasn't detained in the basement and unable to leave, as he left. That's her point.
I was listening in the background and thought she was the defense attorney at first.
She caught herself when she called Monique by her first name like they were friends. Then she changed to “defendant Monique”. Seems a little sus.
I wrote this under another comment but wanted it to stand alone too: People don't understand abuse. Abusers can't do it 24/7. You make an excellent point. "Sneaking" to go to the bathroom is indeed abuse. "Sneaking" out to play with friends because you can't otherwise, is abuse. I've been in abusive situations and sometimes I was spoiled and love bombed with things and other times I was denied basic things and treated very cruelly. It depends on the mood of the abuser. Even if you have to sneak to get freedom, it never feels like freedom. The whole time you're doing the thing you've been told is "wrong" you're riddled with guilt, anxiety, fear that the abuser is going to catch you and punish you for it and then you have to keep reminding yourself "It's ok to drive! I can go where I want! Screw it if he catches me!" but it only makes you feel empowered for a minute because the guilt fear and anxiety sneaks in again. It gets to the point where obeying becomes more comfortable than your freedom because fighting for moments of freedom is so stressful. No one should ever hyperventilate, get diarrhea, or shake and cry because they want to do something most people are allowed to do everyday. "Sneaking" is abuse--self-abuse--as a result of being forbidden in the first place by the original abuser. If that makes sense??
You just explained the mindset of the abused to a T. Very healing to feel understood. Great job!
Very well said.
That makes sense. Thank you for putting your words out there!
“He wants to be a movie producer when he grows up, he’s clearly living in a fantasy world.” How dare he say that. He was 12!! That’s normal for kids! And the judge - she made my skin boil. How can you say that sneaking around to use the MF bathroom isn’t a sign of torture? If he had to sneak around to go to the bathroom that just tells me he was living in fear of being caught and punished. For a basic human function no less. I hope they looked into the connection with the AG uncle of the step mom and this judicial process.
Fr, what was he supposed to dream about being? A public office administrator for the departement of sanitation?
This judge is despicable. She is defending his isolation because he had social media? That doesnt teach a kid how to be socialized. There were no other children in the complex. His next oldest sibling was 4! She also defended his lack of food and water stating that 'he stated Monique brought him food and water'....in the basement! She bent over backward to not find charges of abuse. This foul judge's ruling definitely stood to gain some benefit from a working relationship with Monique's uncle. What she did is disgusting and reckless.
Had him working out 2hrs 2x a day but both are fat? Okay. I’m not one to body shame, but maybe they should have been the ones on the elliptical
I was a kid who was a bit overweight and my step dad would get me to work out or try to control my diet. He stopped after some time but yeah 2x a is quite over kill.
Yeah it's ridiculous for a kid! wtf they get PE classes and they should go out to play with other kids
Yes they should have been using that elliptical machine themselves. Leave the kid alone.
@@wolfrahmphosphoros5808Yes I thought that too immediately, as soon as I heard that too. It's very sad some of the things that people do to kids, and that so many kids are living in terrible situations like that.
I agree, even when I was a workout junkie, I would alternate between body parts and have at least two rest days. Now mind you once a day is enough, but the same regimen EVERY single day. The kid was probably so sore he could hardly move.
Listening to the rather dramatic Judge, describing Charlie's inconsistencies: my impression is of an abused/fearful child, telling every authority figure the story he thinks they want to hear. He's trying so hard to please someone.
Exactly. And saying what he thinks he needs to say to get taken away from them.
My son (now 18) was being traumatised in school and I was made to take him in each day. I physically dragged him there to avoid social workers or fines(in the UK you get fined for non attendance!) He made up a story to his teachers and we had police at the door. The police asked me " are you saying he is a liar" it was so awful as no parent wants to accused their kid of lying but he was through no fault of his own. After the whole ordeal I removed him from the school. All these years later he is still traumatised. Not the same as this story as the abuse was at school not home but can completely relate as to why/how children may have to lie in these situations.
I was chronic people pleaser as a child with abuse in my childhood, I said whatever I thought people wanted to hear to earn some attention and affection.
The news videos are so telling… the nonexistent tears Monique is CONSTANTLY whipping away… the lack of sadness either person displays. Even the immediate panic Charles shows when he’s told Charlie had been found… panic… not joy or relief or excitement… panic.
I don't care how this sounds, this is a typical Detroit attitude right here from this judge. Period
What’s Stephanie always say? “The Justice system is broken!”
I hope this judge is relinquished of her position with the court. How unprofessional. Is she the attorney? Why the hell is she yelling? Why didn’t she take a single breath during her rants? Like does she even hear herself? How IGNORANT.
How much you wanna bet she treats her family exactly like the parents here
The yelling and agressiveness toward the kid made me very uncomfortable. How's she a judge? Damn
I’m not that far yet, but seeing these comments is making me realize that I’m about to be very angry by the end of this video😢 49:49
@@Truecrimewithchris66 you have nooo idea how angry you’re about to be. I couldn’t even listen to all of it. I finally got to the point where I had to fast forward through it because the reality of what she was saying about a CHILD who was horrifically abused made me furious. 😭😢
She's horrible listening to her is making me sick she's allowing them to get away with child abuse
1:02:07 this judge has never experienced abuse and it really shows. My parents restricted food, isolated me, including through homeschooling, and locked me away for an extended period of time. But abusers aren't usually professional correctional officers. They make mistakes and exceptions. Those DON'T excuse the rest of the abusive behavior. My mom taking me out to eat on my bday didn't make the locks on the cupboards disappear. It just made it easier for people to pretend I was full of shit and ignore what was going on right in front of them.
I rather think otherwise. She was abused to the point of losing all empathy and emotional connection. Many judges are narcissists or psychopaths. They are attracted to jobs of power over people. She is probably the same type of parent to her kids, as Charles and his new wife, to Charlie jr. She is completely coldhearted, even arrogant. Does not know or care about a child psychology. Completely lacks empathy and insight. I am not surprised, though. As I said. Narcissists are attracted to any positions, where they can control other's lives. I'm sure this woman hurt many victims during her trials.
She needs an Education
Either she’s uneducated about abuse(which I doubt considering she’s a judge), was abused as a child/abuses her children in a similar manner, or was somehow paid off by the defense team.
“He can sneak upstairs he wasn’t deprived” okay judge
That clip of him when Nancy Grace confronts him about the son in the basement always cracks me up. Like Charles, Bffr
I feel like that awful judge keeps ignoring a key point…why was Charlie being confined to a basement for ANY reason even if he figured out a way to move around the residence undetected?
dad’s reaction is shock but he didn’t even ask how he was doing!!
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Oh, that Judge's commentary makes me so angry! Just because his hiding place wasn't locked doesn't mean he wasn't imprisoned. The fact he had to SNEAK into the apartment to steal food & use the bathroom doesn't mean his parents weren't withholding the necessities of life. Just because a child's testimony has a couple of discrepancies doesn't mean all his statements are lies. Incredibly ignorant take, worthy of a defense lawyer rather than a judge.
Hiding out in another unit? When children who live in a multiple unit dwelling go missing, don't the detectives search all units?
They can't legally check other tenants units.
This is exactly why victims never speak up and then eventually meet their demise either by their own hand or their abuser. It will never cease to amaze me that the cry for help of the victim is ignored or made to look like a lie.
Sorry for the multiple comments, but i keep being struck by other things. The judge said she didnt believe him as he didn't shout when his father was looking for him. But he said monique said, "Say nothing whatever you hear." And he feared his father.
You get kids who are afraid enough that they think it’s a trap. He was in the basement and told to be quiet no matter what. How could he know that his father calling wasn’t a trap?
So... is it somehow bad etiquette to comment multiple times? (I mean, they ask us to comment, so would'nt more be better?) Sincere question as an older-than-average person on here... is it better to go find my original post and add to that? (But then seems like some people do t like "edits" either.... sigh) who knows.
So... is it somehow bad etiquette to comment multiple times? (I mean, they ask us to comment, so wouldn't more be better?) Sincere question as an older-than-average person on here... is it better to go find my original post and add to that? (But then seems like some people dont like "edits" either.... sigh) who knows. One friend made fun of me for texting like that, 2 or 3 separate thoughts... just how my brain works
hey, @@DoeMeNeek, of course it's fine to comment multiple times :) as you said, the more the better - it boosts engagement and promotes the video in the algorithm so more people can see it :) a great way to support creators without paying a dime would also be subscribing and clicking the bell icon, it also helps with the algorithm. watching the the video to the very end and watching ads helps with monetisation so i would recommend that as well if you want your favourite creators to keep doing what they love :) hope that helps (even if it's a somewhat long explanation 😅)
Haha- as if practically everyone doesn’t know that is “homeschooling” isn’t an incredibly popular claim of parents who want their abuse to remain below the radar!!😒
It's sad really, because homeschooling is such a wonderful thing! It's people like this that give the rest of us in the community a bad name.
I know some people who have been home schooled. It's not bad but not perfect. Might even be the best option for families living somewhere that has bad public schools.
I homeschool my children. We do not abuse them. The school system around here just sucks.
I homeschool my kids, my kids' dance teacher was homeschooled. We live in rural small town Midwest, it's pretty common out here.
Bingo
The second you mentioned him working out I knew something was off
The judge saying she didn’t believe the victim…wow. I feel some transference going on 🤔
With those text messages from Charles Snr to the Wicked Stepmother, he keeps mentioning something like: “let’s just get the money & be done with him (Charlie Jnr)”
What money?
Did they think they would raise funds from a GoFundMe or get a Reward for eventually “finding” him? Life Insurance??
I’m so confused…. What did I miss?
As an overweight kid my mom was always on me to work out- I hated the micromanaging of my life even more than the body shaming I didn’t even know was occurring. Hearing this makes me livid kids still go through this kind of bs.
SAME!! My mom used to discreetly signal to me to suck my stomach in when we where in public... I could never do that to my kids it used to hurt me so bad I got picked on enough by others I should have felt comfortable around her
That Dad’s reaction on Nancy Grace was crazy. I also did a double take when he pulled out his cellphone during Nancy Grace’s interview almost immediately after he said it was dead and in his car. The fact that this child/victim was not believed is so sad. The fact that the dad denied that there was ever a pvc pipe, only to later stand up and court and say yes, he had hit his son with a pvc pipe, shows that the father is a liar. This case has left me with more questions than answers.
The father doesn't look happy his son was found. He looked terrified
This is so sad. I went through a similar form of abuse - my parent forced me on a diet for most of my teenage years and berated me for how I looked. This is so damaging, and I'm still trying to heal from it a decade later. His father and step mother seem like terrible people, and I can't believe that judge sat there defending them.
*Stepmom is suss, dad is a crappy actor, & the judge is UNNECESSARILY strident. Like, WTF????* 😮😮😮
Judges can be bought. Years of illegal rulings over my minor child back in that timeframe.
always blows my mind how criminals can "cry" without producing any actual tears and expect everyone else to hand them an Oscar
What gets me is how they wipe away imaginary tears!
….hand them an Oscar…and a tissue !!!
Maybe this is just me but it's not even all that hard to produce tears.
@@ferociousgumbythose crocodile tears man
I’m just so shocked how they can’t seem to produce a tear , because even if you’re responsible for hurting someone especially, family, wouldn’t the guilt alone have you crying 😭 , but still , we seen it in the Murdaugh case , that dad couldn’t produce a tear for his wife or son, not one!!! I think maybe our brains can’t produce them
While, at the same time being so anxious and nervous from getting caught . Idk it’s interesting.
Why was that stepmom so determined to have an unregistered gun in her possession? Did anyone else pick up on that? I find that very strange for this stay at home mom. It’s possible that hiding him away in the basement was just the first part of her plan to get rid of little Charlie.
Had the pipe not been found, the judge would say Charlie was lying about that, too. So if Charlie was truthful about that, why ASSUME he was lying about the rest? Because it’s “unlikely” or “unreasonable”? Nothing about this child abuse is normal! WHO KEEPS A PVC PIPE IN THEIR HOUSE?? Is that reasonable? Who’s more likely to be lying, the parents who have a bloody PVC just hanging out in their house, who could lose everything if they were found out, or the kid who has no motive to lie? That judge needs to leave bias at the door.
how is a child being told to hide in the basement not considered abuse?? because he could sneak food and water?? he would have been dead otherwise wtf. The psychological consequences of hiding in a basement for 12 days alone are enough to warrant abuse
Not him telling Nancy on TV that his phone was dead in his car then checking that phone when he thinks he’s not on the screen!
I noticed that! I was so confused like, where did he get that phone if his was in the car??
I so noticed that 2. You so notice the moment he realises 2
That judge. Wow. If he had to sneak food and to use the bathroom that means that the parents were STOPPING him from access to them!
That stepmother has no room to call the child overweight.
HER MIRROR MUST HAVE BROKEN FOR THE BOTH OF THEM
Hell both parents are not made out of marble.
That judge fought harder on behalf of the defense than the attorneys. Wild.
Charles’ reaction to them finding his son on the news was so fake, i would’ve been screaming with joy and being like “ARE YOU SURE IT’S HIM??! IS HE OKAY??????”
This judge is absolutely vomitous. Absolutely no empathy for Charlie. She should be ashamed of herself.
If a child has to sneak to do anything in his home where he lives there's a problem 😮
@@ingabrown3916 exactly! I recall being "in trouble" a couple of times when I was growing up where I wasn't allowed to do certain things. But if I needed something, I could still walk freely through the house and had no problem asking my parents for something. Being on a punishment didn't bar me from household activities, like my mom would still ask me what I wanted for dinner, etc. I swear these people just don't respect children and find any excuse to be abusive toward them.
The judge has me confused - is she actually on the defense team?
Jeez, the judge didn't hold back, did she? She absolutely infuriated me. People of power like that are the reason a lot of victims tend to suffer in silence. As a victim of domestic abuse, I was told by law enforcement "that's your take on things" I guess we'll never know the truth but why would a child stay hidden unless they were scared for one reason another? 18 months probation for beating a child with a pipe? You'd get a harsher sentence for being caught with a joint. Ridiculous
Exactly!! She shouldn’t be a judge!!
Honestly she seems like the type who would beat her own children, maybe they should have checked her for bias before letting her be a judge for this case
Ah, I love it when I'm streaming, phone in pocket, earbuds in and then I hear "the voice". Many nights I fall asleep to the same voice. Thank you, Stephanie, so much for the hard work you do. We are blessed to be alive in the same generation with you. 😊. Make sure you take care of yourself first though. We will all still be here! ❤
As soon as you said he was urinating in neighbors trash cans and starting fires, I knew he was abused. My dad was a fire investigator and every time there was a juvenile involved in arson, they had trouble at home and were screaming out for help/ attention. Poor Charlie 😔
Really now?
Thank you so much for doing an update on this case. I have wondered for years what happened in this case with the father and evil step mother.
Charles checking his phone while on air with Nancy Grace immediately after claiming his dead phone was "charging" in the car.... I know when I charge my phone in my truck, my phone won't charge unless my truck is running.
That’s complete bs!!! They did torture that child. The judge didn’t take into account that he would be emotionally traumatized. The workout routine was brutal.
I can’t imagine the fear he must’ve felt being found. All he would be thinking about is the wrath that’s going to come down on him from his stepmom and dad.
Really ouf of contest but...I had really hard time last few months and I'm so happy to relax with Stephanie again ❤
So this boy was forced to workout about 3 times a day and the Stepmom who clearly needed that workout was taking pictures 🤷
”He loved his son too much” must be the worst excuse for abuse 😑 I love my kids but I would never raise a hand (or PVC pipe) against any of them. Horrible ppl. Smh. I guess I must hate my kids if loving them too much equals abuse 🤷🏼♀️ I hate ppl sometimes 😡
That was horrifying to hear.
They put a child on a diet but not themselves?!?!
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Lmao Nancy Grace’s face-she knows she’s got a gotcha moment
Thank you stepanie harlowe for saying “never take a polygraph and always ask for legal advice” the best piece of advice Ive ever received💪🏼 5⭐️ in my books✅
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awwww thank you so much! One foot in front of the other
Same.
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