People who throw stepping forehands (or to throw anything) don't step their back foot out in front of them. Their back foot steps behind the front foot so that their hips stay closed. I had to get up out of my seat just to see how awkward it must feel trying to do it around the way that you said people do it 😆
Dude! I am old. I have bad shoulders. I used to have a very solid flick in my Ultimate days. Since I started golfing I've struggled mightily to throw anything beyond a putter on forehand. Fast forward .... I've watched this video a bunch of times. It is absolutely helping me get a forehand throw into my game. It works man. The elbow control has been my savior. Gracias.
As a former street fighter player, I understood what you were saying lol. Also focusing on the elbow and knowing when to reach back is going to help me so much. Thanks for the tips, best forehand video I've seen!
As a beginner, this is pure gold. Thank you for making it. Would you consider making a series like this? Go through all shot types in the same format. That would be insanely helpful. Because as a beginner, all I really want to learn is consistency, so that I don't teach myself bad muscle/movement memory, that I'll have to get rid of in the future. Once again, top notch video. So glad I found your channel. You are 🔔'd Sir.
Hey Gavin thanks for the tips, I’m an old school DG’r. It seems everybody has a different take on how to throw these shots but yours actually makes since. Now I haven’t tried them yet but I’ll check back after I’ve eliminated all the other noise in my head concerning how to throw forehand and give your tips a try. Good luck in words of your playing.
I recently met you and attended the clinic at Youngstown, and the tips have really helped me with the sidearm. Thank you so much for all you do for disc golf.
I don’t comment much at all but wanted to say thank you Gavin! Over the last 6 months or so forehand went from serviceable to totally inconsistent and I wasn’t sure why. I tried what you showed here, especially with the elbow positioning and it felt great! Serviceable back in service! Thank you again for sharing your expertise!
I most definitely don't have a serviceable 300 foot forehand but this vid immediately helped me to throw some basic/short forehands off the pad. Used to only have a standstill upshot sidearm. The skip step and the arm movement explained here has been by the far the easiest to replicate.
Hey! Nice tip! I’ll try this out! I throw over 400 feet sidearm but it’s not very consistent and I struggle with mid and putters as they always just flip over very soon (probably force overs). Gave you a sub! 💪🏼😎
⬇️↘️➡️🔴=🔥!!! Great tip, Sir! As a noob, I started my forehand with a crow hop & had some distance, control success. While I was figuring out backhand form. I completely lost it. Then I had hand surgery & lost everything. So this tip came at the perfect time to relearn from scratch cuz crow hopping feels so comfortable for me. 🤘😎🤘
This goes along great with what I recently adopted. Mainly the tight elbow, keeping it static until the small reachback. And I realized i am doing the little hop you were talking about, but I wasnt even aware lol. Been parking the forehand holmes lately, which is just lovely! ❤
Best forehand video I've ever seen. So well explained. The view of the disc going down the line from behind was what I needed to see. I bring mine back behind in a rounding form. And I wonder why I turn over the disc. Hopefully no more unintentional turn overs.
When you gave me a forehand tutorial I think what helped me the most was timing off the front foot. I maybe stomping it a bit too much right now (it's kinda like a Professional Wrestler giving a "punch") but it's my cue to let it rip.
Such a great point about nose angle. I struggled immensely with forehand as a beginner because i thought it was like throwing a baseball, just with a disc (that's what people said). On my reachback, i would get steep angles from the long and engrained habit of pronating the wrist and coming over the top like in baseball. Even though everything else was mechanically sound, bad angles can ruin everything. Staying flat and accerlating through the disc are my main 'swing thoughts' now. Although there are some similarities in baseball and disc forehand, i think it's important to note they are different in many ways.
Ok this is gonna be really helpful I hope. Can’t wait to get in the field. The timing is my biggest issue with my forehand and this really broke that down.
I had to watch this again! I'll be watching this back during my next fieldwork session as well! Focusing on elbow placement really stuck with me and has helped with my consistency since I first saw this awhile back. I could really benefit from a follow up video on throwing different angles. I really struggle with forehand hyzers especially once you start getting toward spike hyzer angles. A forehand spike hyzer would be super beneficial to have as it's the hardest to replicate on a backhand line. Thanks for putting this video out!
super great explanation here. all 3 points are very common but not enough people are pointing them out like you did. will be referring people to this video for sure
Best thing I found (recently) is to push your finger(s) as far into the disc as you can. This increases wrist mobility, allowing you to snap your wrist forward.
My god. This video alone made me go from having no forehand (40 m wobbly thing) to throwing 105 meter forehands. The timing thing was the biggest thing for me. Thanks man!!!!
Your swing looks like Scott Stokely's pendulum swing, just a little less exaggerated. More compact, and less wasted movement. This style, I've found works really well for me. Thanks for the info!
I definitely involuntarily bring my hand up as i reach back (from baseball days-pitching) so i need to film and feel okay with being uncomfortable while relearning my forehand. I get about 300 consistently but maybe will will improve that. Thanks!
I’ve never been able to see a lot of improvement from form videos but I tried these few changes out in the field and immediately felt my consistency and angle improve. Great video!
I have had an inconsistent but honest 400’ forehand for 2 years, and accuracy is really hit and miss depending on the day. Just saying, watched this yesterday before league, and just changing my reach back to be in line and flat increased power and accuracy tremendously right off the bat. Kind of wild what a difference maker that is! Thanks GB, really appreciate your time in making this video!
I struggle throwing side arm up hill and throwing on hyzer. This video was very helpful. If you can make one for how to throw better angles I would appreciate it.
For sure! Less stable will fly more stable going up hill since the nose angle is up. I always throw less stable uphill for the most part depending on the shot and distance. Leaning over to the right allows more room for the hyzer to come through and also making sure the disc is below your elbow will insure that you are throwing hyzer
Discmania is my favorite brand of disc to I can forehand a easy 330 on a really good day bad day. It will go completely left. It would not come back right for a little bit. I will let you know more about angle control.
This makes a lot of sense to me. Any tips for not starting the swing too early. Thats my biggest timing issue is if I start my arm swing to early and it causes burning it over.
@@jsballance2683 don’t start your swing until your front foot hits. As soon as your front plant foot hits everything starts coming forward. Much easier to time!
Glad you liked it! Hope fire first. My right knee will drop right before my elbow fires. If you can get your right knee and right elbow to fire forward at the same time as if they are synced up, that is ideal.
Thanks for the solid advice. Interestingly, on your very last throw it seems there is a slight pause when your plant foot hits the ground before you come forward into the hit. Do you sometimes feel a lag in your forehand just like many report promoting a lag in their backhand?
These are really just on softer shots where it gets exaggerated. Normal speed shots there may be a little lag when I’m fully reached back since my lower body slightly fires first. I was trying to use my legs on a softer shot for the demo, but would usually standstill that type of shot.
I’ve personally never focused on the follow through or struggled with that. I would definitely keep a somewhat loose wrist but controlled if that makes sense. It shouldn’t be a limp noodle and also shouldn’t be super stiff. Finding a clean follow through can help too. Some people stop their momentum short which will rob you of distance.
What do you use for speed, angle, distance control. Size of step for distance? Speed of arm for speed? Is disc angle based on your body or arm angle. Thanks for elbow tips and timing!
Angle control: -anhyzer the disc is above my elbow and i will be upright or may lean to the left -flat the disc is basically level and im upright to slightly leaning over to the right -hyzer the disc is below my elbow and I’m leaning over to the right to create more room. Speed control: I usually start at standstills and then go to incorporating a small run up and gradually extend the run up and use more lower body for longer shots. Distance control: a lot of times I will pick a disc that I can hit 85-90% and know it will only go like 30 long worst case. I usually change stability and speed to allow for a natural distance control. If you are able to hit a stock shot hard rather that having to be touchy with something faster, it will be more consistent.
@@gavinbabcock7 thanks Gavin. I think this reply highlights what you said in your video in limiting error and increasing consistency. Stock shot with disc selection allows that.
Hey Mr solo dolo I am gonna practice this since I've been playing I've never found a way to do it without shoulder pain cuz I broke my collar bone 17 years ago and had to have metal plates put in. I started playing disc golf 10 yrs ago and Ive been using the uli chop cuz it's the only thing that didn't hurt. But you explained this in a way to where I was able to do a couple dry fires and it doesn't hurt my shoulder I hope this will help give me at least a serviceable 200-250ft with no pain instead of the 150 ft with pain. I guess I'll leave an update in a couple months if I have improved with no pain to my crumbling rotator cuff
I really struggle with big hyzer forehands. Any chance you can make a followup on that? I know quite a few people that throw 350-400ft flat to fade but we all seem to have issues throwing on hyzer and keeping the power/form
I like to lean over a little more to my right (for a RHFH) and focus on keep my weight back a little more. It creates more room for the elbow to come through for the hyzer as well as adjust my body position for the height. I will also tend to lower my reach back as well.
One of the things you don't mention, but I see it when you're throwing away from the camera, is that you lean over instead of standing up straight. That's what helps me keep the throw flat.
New guy. Forehand is my best chance at long distances right now but every once in a while when trying to finesse a sidearm throw, I’m hitting the ground about 50-100 feet in front of me. What is causing that?
@@rubberorr you could be rolling your wrist, maybe too much movement in the elbow. Start with a shorter reach back and accelerate forward for touchy shots. This can help sometimes
Great video, thanks! I have a fairly decent forehand and use it a lot. However, I do struggle occasionally with nose angle and burning it over. I really like the elbow info, and watching you down the line. I am going to video myself, but I am almost positive I sometimes get the disc behind me a little, and that is causing those bad throws 😎
@@gavinbabcock7Dude, I'm buying some of your merch (and a beer or something if I ever run into you). Just did a little field work, focused only on setting my elbow and keeping arm outside of body. Every one came out clean, and the angle didn't vary more than a few degrees! FD3 and raptors about 320 or so and accurate. Form is a never-ending process, but this was EXACTLY the vid I needed right now 😎
You prefer over stable i noticed. Would it be the same for a left handed forehand? I'm testing a variety of under stable discs with only the split finger grip, it seems more consistent than the power grip. I'll try the index grip on my higher speed discs and see if that works for me. I can reach 300 occasionally when I get the right flight pattern. Friends tell me they notice it goes farther when I look effortless and smooth so I backed off the hop. I'm curious to try it your way. I love out driving my backhand disc friends.
Everything applies the exact same. The disc will just move opposite direction. I like overstable discs because they are more consistent and easy to shape shots. I still bag beat in/understable versions of stable discs to get straighter shots as well for touchier lines.
Nice tips! Any suggestions to reduce wobble on the forehand? I occasionally struggle with wobble with slower discs and burning them over because of it.
It definitely could be grip especially if you don’t get wobble with high speed discs. I have to do the split fan grip on lower speeds to get a clean release. Maybe mess around with some different grips, but also it’s a lot of trial and error of trying to find the clean release. If you go throw 20 mids/putters on short approach shots, you will start to figure it out. It could be a follow through thing as well so make sure you aren’t rolling it over and following your desired plane on the follow through.
@@gavinbabcock7 Saved yourself from losing some discs in the ferns lol. But at least the first 5 holes are nice if you're looking for some cardio with your disc golf.
Nice vid! So the elbow placement during reach back stays in unison with the rear hip and comes together all as a unit, correct? I was opening my hips fully or driving my rear hip first to try and create as much arm lag as possible, or you can say throwing my elbow as far forward as possible
@@kleberdigby5298 I think of it more as keeping it in unison with the right knee since they should both be coming forward at the same time. Whatever helps with your timing cue though!
I’ve struggled with confidence throwing a forehand due to some shoulder pain. Never injured it, but also never played baseball so this kind of throw creates pain on the backside of my shoulder right at the top of my arm pit. Might this be a flexibility issue? How can I learn to throw a side arm safely?
That’s a pretty common spot to be sore especially jumping right into it. Make sure you stretch, throw some warm ups, and start slow. I usually like to throw about 10 sidearms slow just to warm up the motion and then about 10 or so more to fully warm it up gradually gaining power. But definitely start softer and slowly add power to avoid putting your shoulder into a ton of stress right away. Badminton racquet is a great warm up tool as well. A lot of pros use them to warm up forehand and backhand due to the air resistance you receive from it.
I have a pretty decent forehand, and I have always backstepped with my back foot, kind of the opposite of the backhand x step. I hate the jumping feeling of any type of hop or quick side skip. My method keeps my head completely on plane the entire run up.
Again, the hop isn’t for everyone. But when “hopping”, your head should also stay on the same plane. You aren’t hopping up and down. It’s more of a shuffle hop forward to load the back leg and drive.
@@skeeterdeter6417 grip is a big factor. Find a good stable grip where it doesn’t feel loose and then you control the angle by move your arm above and below your elbow (below for hyzer/above for anhyzer). Straight back straight forward, no extra movement.
@@Jgheiler not necessarily. Most beginners find it easier because it is more similar to throwing an object and you are able to keep your eye on the target vs turning away from it with a backhand.
How do you control noise angle on your release? I'm not a forehand guy. At all. But I'm trying to learn. Nose angle, for me so far, it's purely random (the degree of noise up, at least) . If I try to get nose down, I throw it into the ground. I'm only trying to throw flat for the time being. Any suggestions, or even referral to good videos, would be very much appreciated.
I address how to control nose angle in the backswing which should help quite a bit. But if you are still struggling, then focus on following through on the plane you are throwing on. Match the release angle to the follow through. Start slow and build up speed once you develop a good feel for it!
@@evan11487ful I would recommend an enigma or paradigm or DD for drivers to practice hyzer flips and then maybe a cd1 or vanguard for a fairway hyzerflip!
Most likely that is coming from grip. I would experiment with different grips maybe or if the grip is comfortable but still getting wobble I would take some putters and mids and go figure out how to flick them until you don’t get any wobble. It sometimes just takes reps and trial and error to figure out the clean release and wrist action.
Link to all my favorite forehand discs in the description! Thank you all for the support and hope you enjoy the tips!
People who throw stepping forehands (or to throw anything) don't step their back foot out in front of them. Their back foot steps behind the front foot so that their hips stay closed. I had to get up out of my seat just to see how awkward it must feel trying to do it around the way that you said people do it 😆
@@vinkta I see people do it the other way plenty of times. Makes sense, but that feels even worse personally
Low key the best disc golf forearm video to come out in the history of ever. It's almost like this guy knows sports.
I appreciate that!!
The simplicity of these tips is great for beginners
Dude! I am old. I have bad shoulders. I used to have a very solid flick in my Ultimate days. Since I started golfing I've struggled mightily to throw anything beyond a putter on forehand. Fast forward .... I've watched this video a bunch of times. It is absolutely helping me get a forehand throw into my game. It works man. The elbow control has been my savior. Gracias.
So glad to hear this!
As a former street fighter player, I understood what you were saying lol. Also focusing on the elbow and knowing when to reach back is going to help me so much. Thanks for the tips, best forehand video I've seen!
Thank you for the feedback and I’m glad the SF comparison was understood😂
I can’t wait to go work on this! My forehand is serviceable to 300 ft. but nose angle is inconsistent day to day.
@@callaway5148 best of luck!
As a beginner, this is pure gold. Thank you for making it.
Would you consider making a series like this? Go through all shot types in the same format. That would be insanely helpful. Because as a beginner, all I really want to learn is consistency, so that I don't teach myself bad muscle/movement memory, that I'll have to get rid of in the future. Once again, top notch video. So glad I found your channel. You are 🔔'd Sir.
@@FredFraiche I will definitely consider it! I appreciate your support!
Im studying this video all week
Hey Gavin thanks for the tips, I’m an old school DG’r. It seems everybody has a different take on how to throw these shots but yours actually makes since. Now I haven’t tried them yet but I’ll check back after I’ve eliminated all the other noise in my head concerning how to throw forehand and give your tips a try. Good luck in words of your playing.
@@StevenWilliams-1973 I hope the tips find your game well! I appreciate it!
This is great, Gavin! I definitely need the help with forehand and this made it easy to understand. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I recently met you and attended the clinic at Youngstown, and the tips have really helped me with the sidearm. Thank you so much for all you do for disc golf.
@@willspidey6460 That means a lot! I appreciate it! Thanks for coming out!
@@gavinbabcock7 I sure hope you all get to come back.Was a true pleasure meeting you.
I don’t comment much at all but wanted to say thank you Gavin! Over the last 6 months or so forehand went from serviceable to totally inconsistent and I wasn’t sure why. I tried what you showed here, especially with the elbow positioning and it felt great! Serviceable back in service! Thank you again for sharing your expertise!
Of course! Glad it helped you out!
This is just the video I needed! The break down you did make way more sense then any other ones I've seen
Glad you liked it! Hopefully the info applies well!
I most definitely don't have a serviceable 300 foot forehand but this vid immediately helped me to throw some basic/short forehands off the pad. Used to only have a standstill upshot sidearm. The skip step and the arm movement explained here has been by the far the easiest to replicate.
@@ekim_tz259 glad it helped!
Hey! Nice tip! I’ll try this out! I throw over 400 feet sidearm but it’s not very consistent and I struggle with mid and putters as they always just flip over very soon (probably force overs). Gave you a sub! 💪🏼😎
⬇️↘️➡️🔴=🔥!!! Great tip, Sir! As a noob, I started my forehand with a crow hop & had some distance, control success. While I was figuring out backhand form. I completely lost it. Then I had hand surgery & lost everything. So this tip came at the perfect time to relearn from scratch cuz crow hopping feels so comfortable for me. 🤘😎🤘
Let’s go! Glad it’s helping you out!
This goes along great with what I recently adopted. Mainly the tight elbow, keeping it static until the small reachback. And I realized i am doing the little hop you were talking about, but I wasnt even aware lol. Been parking the forehand holmes lately, which is just lovely! ❤
Love to hear it!
Whoa, I'm stoked to try and incorporate some of this.
Finally found someone else who does one finger forehands
👉🏼 gang
Marwede too!
Best forehand video I've ever seen. So well explained. The view of the disc going down the line from behind was what I needed to see. I bring mine back behind in a rounding form. And I wonder why I turn over the disc. Hopefully no more unintentional turn overs.
Love to hear it! Glad you enjoyed!
When you gave me a forehand tutorial I think what helped me the most was timing off the front foot. I maybe stomping it a bit too much right now (it's kinda like a Professional Wrestler giving a "punch") but it's my cue to let it rip.
Good stuff. Thanks for the tips, Gavin. Super actionable and easy to follow.
this helped simplify my forehand so much. pointed out the exact things I was doing. appreciate it!
Glad it helped!
Such a great point about nose angle. I struggled immensely with forehand as a beginner because i thought it was like throwing a baseball, just with a disc (that's what people said). On my reachback, i would get steep angles from the long and engrained habit of pronating the wrist and coming over the top like in baseball. Even though everything else was mechanically sound, bad angles can ruin everything. Staying flat and accerlating through the disc are my main 'swing thoughts' now. Although there are some similarities in baseball and disc forehand, i think it's important to note they are different in many ways.
Great tips. Looking forward to putting these news ideas to use. Thank you.
Genuinely an incredible forehand video! Can’t wait to go out to the field and actually build a forehand
@@grizzlyborne6941 Thank you so much! Glad it helped!
Ok this is gonna be really helpful I hope. Can’t wait to get in the field. The timing is my biggest issue with my forehand and this really broke that down.
I had to watch this again! I'll be watching this back during my next fieldwork session as well! Focusing on elbow placement really stuck with me and has helped with my consistency since I first saw this awhile back. I could really benefit from a follow up video on throwing different angles. I really struggle with forehand hyzers especially once you start getting toward spike hyzer angles. A forehand spike hyzer would be super beneficial to have as it's the hardest to replicate on a backhand line. Thanks for putting this video out!
super great explanation here. all 3 points are very common but not enough people are pointing them out like you did. will be referring people to this video for sure
Glad it was helpful, thank you!
Great stuff, im going to try this today! Never tried that little hop so maybe that will help
Best thing I found (recently) is to push your finger(s) as far into the disc as you can. This increases wrist mobility, allowing you to snap your wrist forward.
Thank you Sir . I can't wait to go practice this .
Thanks so much for making this video.
Appreciate the advice
You did a great job making it.
Very nice throws. Very straight.
Of course! Thanks for the support!
Thanks bud! Love to watch you play!
Grann you Gavin this fixed my form instantly!
My god. This video alone made me go from having no forehand (40 m wobbly thing) to throwing 105 meter forehands. The timing thing was the biggest thing for me. Thanks man!!!!
Let’s go!! Awesome to hear!
Your swing looks like Scott Stokely's pendulum swing, just a little less exaggerated. More compact, and less wasted movement. This style, I've found works really well for me. Thanks for the info!
Of course! Glad it helped!
I definitely involuntarily bring my hand up as i reach back (from baseball days-pitching) so i need to film and feel okay with being uncomfortable while relearning my forehand. I get about 300 consistently but maybe will will improve that.
Thanks!
I’ve never been able to see a lot of improvement from form videos but I tried these few changes out in the field and immediately felt my consistency and angle improve. Great video!
Great to hear! Glad it helped out!
Thank you for signing for us at Portland Gavin!!! Good luck at milo!!!
Thank you!
@gavinbabcock7 Keep on shredding out there, mayne!!!
I have had an inconsistent but honest 400’ forehand for 2 years, and accuracy is really hit and miss depending on the day. Just saying, watched this yesterday before league, and just changing my reach back to be in line and flat increased power and accuracy tremendously right off the bat. Kind of wild what a difference maker that is! Thanks GB, really appreciate your time in making this video!
So glad to hear that! Keep it up!
Wow this has made a world of difference.
I struggle throwing side arm up hill and throwing on hyzer. This video was very helpful. If you can make one for how to throw better angles I would appreciate it.
For sure! Less stable will fly more stable going up hill since the nose angle is up. I always throw less stable uphill for the most part depending on the shot and distance. Leaning over to the right allows more room for the hyzer to come through and also making sure the disc is below your elbow will insure that you are throwing hyzer
Thanks brotha! Good luck in Portland!
Discmania is my favorite brand of disc to I can forehand a easy 330 on a really good day bad day. It will go completely left. It would not come back right for a little bit. I will let you know more about angle control.
i agree with the front x step, less explosive.
Thanks for the tip! Always rooting for you as a fellow Iowan!
Thanks Gavin. Link me your video on release angles, hyzer/anhyzer forehand.
Thank you for the tips.
Extremely helpful!
This makes a lot of sense to me. Any tips for not starting the swing too early. Thats my biggest timing issue is if I start my arm swing to early and it causes burning it over.
@@jsballance2683 don’t start your swing until your front foot hits. As soon as your front plant foot hits everything starts coming forward. Much easier to time!
@@gavinbabcock7 Thanks. gotta put my net up and get some work in.
Helpful tips, thank you!
You should totally use Guile (using your likeness) and his sonic boom! On one of your foils 😀
Hell yeah this video helped so much!
Thank you so much, that elbow positioning was a great advice. What would you say fires First after you plant? Your hips or your elbow?
Glad you liked it! Hope fire first. My right knee will drop right before my elbow fires. If you can get your right knee and right elbow to fire forward at the same time as if they are synced up, that is ideal.
Thanks for the tips love to see more of this. Kill it at portland today
Hell yeah, brother 💪🏽 im going to try out that skip throw because my biggest struggle is the rhythm of my run up 😭
Hope it works great for ya!
Outstanding
Great lesson.
I’m a 1 fingered it’s pretty uncommon. Thanks homeboy. Keep up the great playing
What would you recommend for people struggling with elbow flexion? Great video!
I don’t want to give too much advice on that, but I’d do some research and maybe find some stretches!
great tip gavin!!! thanks!!
one of my favs.
Thanks for the solid advice. Interestingly, on your very last throw it seems there is a slight pause when your plant foot hits the ground before you come forward into the hit. Do you sometimes feel a lag in your forehand just like many report promoting a lag in their backhand?
These are really just on softer shots where it gets exaggerated. Normal speed shots there may be a little lag when I’m fully reached back since my lower body slightly fires first. I was trying to use my legs on a softer shot for the demo, but would usually standstill that type of shot.
Great video!
Great breakdown! Can you recommend a disc for more beginner/intermediate forehand?
I would recommend a Discmania DD or DD1!
What about the wrist play? I feel like some people dont snap though the release
I’ve personally never focused on the follow through or struggled with that. I would definitely keep a somewhat loose wrist but controlled if that makes sense. It shouldn’t be a limp noodle and also shouldn’t be super stiff. Finding a clean follow through can help too. Some people stop their momentum short which will rob you of distance.
What do you use for speed, angle, distance control. Size of step for distance? Speed of arm for speed? Is disc angle based on your body or arm angle.
Thanks for elbow tips and timing!
Angle control:
-anhyzer the disc is above my elbow and i will be upright or may lean to the left
-flat the disc is basically level and im upright to slightly leaning over to the right
-hyzer the disc is below my elbow and I’m leaning over to the right to create more room.
Speed control: I usually start at standstills and then go to incorporating a small run up and gradually extend the run up and use more lower body for longer shots.
Distance control: a lot of times I will pick a disc that I can hit 85-90% and know it will only go like 30 long worst case. I usually change stability and speed to allow for a natural distance control. If you are able to hit a stock shot hard rather that having to be touchy with something faster, it will be more consistent.
@@gavinbabcock7 thanks Gavin. I think this reply highlights what you said in your video in limiting error and increasing consistency. Stock shot with disc selection allows that.
Hey Mr solo dolo I am gonna practice this since I've been playing I've never found a way to do it without shoulder pain cuz I broke my collar bone 17 years ago and had to have metal plates put in. I started playing disc golf 10 yrs ago and Ive been using the uli chop cuz it's the only thing that didn't hurt. But you explained this in a way to where I was able to do a couple dry fires and it doesn't hurt my shoulder I hope this will help give me at least a serviceable 200-250ft with no pain instead of the 150 ft with pain. I guess I'll leave an update in a couple months if I have improved with no pain to my crumbling rotator cuff
Yes, an update would be great! You got this!
@@gavinbabcock7 I'll definitely practice this technique and give updates thanks for the content!
Awesome! thx
I really struggle with big hyzer forehands. Any chance you can make a followup on that? I know quite a few people that throw 350-400ft flat to fade but we all seem to have issues throwing on hyzer and keeping the power/form
I like to lean over a little more to my right (for a RHFH) and focus on keep my weight back a little more. It creates more room for the elbow to come through for the hyzer as well as adjust my body position for the height. I will also tend to lower my reach back as well.
Great advice Gavin! How can a guy get ahold of one of those C line tactics? You ever sell them at tournaments?
I do not own or know of anyone that owns a c line tactic unfortunately.
Fantastic video!
3:00 Can't argue with that assessment
Hey Gavin, could I ask what disc you were throwing? Thanks
@@lucassillem4852 C-Line MD5
One of the things you don't mention, but I see it when you're throwing away from the camera, is that you lean over instead of standing up straight. That's what helps me keep the throw flat.
@@brucechandler8876 depends on the angle, but yes that can definitely help.
New guy. Forehand is my best chance at long distances right now but every once in a while when trying to finesse a sidearm throw, I’m hitting the ground about 50-100 feet in front of me. What is causing that?
@@rubberorr you could be rolling your wrist, maybe too much movement in the elbow. Start with a shorter reach back and accelerate forward for touchy shots. This can help sometimes
Great video, thanks! I have a fairly decent forehand and use it a lot. However, I do struggle occasionally with nose angle and burning it over. I really like the elbow info, and watching you down the line. I am going to video myself, but I am almost positive I sometimes get the disc behind me a little, and that is causing those bad throws 😎
Glad you liked it! You got this!
@@gavinbabcock7Dude, I'm buying some of your merch (and a beer or something if I ever run into you). Just did a little field work, focused only on setting my elbow and keeping arm outside of body. Every one came out clean, and the angle didn't vary more than a few degrees! FD3 and raptors about 320 or so and accurate.
Form is a never-ending process, but this was EXACTLY the vid I needed right now 😎
@@DamonRipperLet’s go! So awesome that it was easy to apply and that it worked well for you!
You prefer over stable i noticed. Would it be the same for a left handed forehand? I'm testing a variety of under stable discs with only the split finger grip, it seems more consistent than the power grip. I'll try the index grip on my higher speed discs and see if that works for me. I can reach 300 occasionally when I get the right flight pattern. Friends tell me they notice it goes farther when I look effortless and smooth so I backed off the hop. I'm curious to try it your way. I love out driving my backhand disc friends.
Everything applies the exact same. The disc will just move opposite direction. I like overstable discs because they are more consistent and easy to shape shots. I still bag beat in/understable versions of stable discs to get straighter shots as well for touchier lines.
Nice tips! Any suggestions to reduce wobble on the forehand? I occasionally struggle with wobble with slower discs and burning them over because of it.
It definitely could be grip especially if you don’t get wobble with high speed discs. I have to do the split fan grip on lower speeds to get a clean release. Maybe mess around with some different grips, but also it’s a lot of trial and error of trying to find the clean release. If you go throw 20 mids/putters on short approach shots, you will start to figure it out. It could be a follow through thing as well so make sure you aren’t rolling it over and following your desired plane on the follow through.
@@gavinbabcock7 Thanks a bunch! Nice to get such a lengthy and well thought out responce. Any Babcock discs coming out soon?
@@OutriderFIN No problem! My signature disc will be coming out in a couple months!
Soooo you got a video for backhand, too? :)
ty, helped simplify things
Bro, this is like exactly what dragged my Las Vegas challenge down. I know you did pretty decent. I had no forehand all week. Just botching shots.
Great video. How do I avoid hurting my elbow?
Take things slow and make sure to warm up.
Abrams? How did you enjoy this little course on the side of a hill?
Haven’t played! Just using the place for fieldwork and putting!
@@gavinbabcock7 Saved yourself from losing some discs in the ferns lol. But at least the first 5 holes are nice if you're looking for some cardio with your disc golf.
Thanks! I'm gonna try the stuff you said to fix my trash forehand. 😎
Pretty choppy explanation at times, though. 😂
Not sure how, but thanks!
Nice vid! So the elbow placement during reach back stays in unison with the rear hip and comes together all as a unit, correct? I was opening my hips fully or driving my rear hip first to try and create as much arm lag as possible, or you can say throwing my elbow as far forward as possible
@@kleberdigby5298 I think of it more as keeping it in unison with the right knee since they should both be coming forward at the same time. Whatever helps with your timing cue though!
Awesome awesome video
I feel like I should pay you for this video
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I’ve struggled with confidence throwing a forehand due to some shoulder pain. Never injured it, but also never played baseball so this kind of throw creates pain on the backside of my shoulder right at the top of my arm pit. Might this be a flexibility issue? How can I learn to throw a side arm safely?
That’s a pretty common spot to be sore especially jumping right into it. Make sure you stretch, throw some warm ups, and start slow. I usually like to throw about 10 sidearms slow just to warm up the motion and then about 10 or so more to fully warm it up gradually gaining power. But definitely start softer and slowly add power to avoid putting your shoulder into a ton of stress right away. Badminton racquet is a great warm up tool as well. A lot of pros use them to warm up forehand and backhand due to the air resistance you receive from it.
As a tekken player, that last chunk made a lot of sense.
I’m glad😂
I have a pretty decent forehand, and I have always backstepped with my back foot, kind of the opposite of the backhand x step. I hate the jumping feeling of any type of hop or quick side skip. My method keeps my head completely on plane the entire run up.
Again, the hop isn’t for everyone. But when “hopping”, your head should also stay on the same plane. You aren’t hopping up and down. It’s more of a shuffle hop forward to load the back leg and drive.
Totally, I just don't get along with the slide hop. The backstep is so smooth, I'm a little shocked I've never seen anyone else do it.
I am struggling. I’m more of angle control. How can you control the angle?
@@skeeterdeter6417 grip is a big factor. Find a good stable grip where it doesn’t feel loose and then you control the angle by move your arm above and below your elbow (below for hyzer/above for anhyzer). Straight back straight forward, no extra movement.
i'm a beginner; does forehand allow you tot hrow with more accuracy than backhand?
@@Jgheiler not necessarily. Most beginners find it easier because it is more similar to throwing an object and you are able to keep your eye on the target vs turning away from it with a backhand.
How do you control noise angle on your release?
I'm not a forehand guy. At all. But I'm trying to learn.
Nose angle, for me so far, it's purely random (the degree of noise up, at least) .
If I try to get nose down, I throw it into the ground.
I'm only trying to throw flat for the time being.
Any suggestions, or even referral to good videos, would be very much appreciated.
I address how to control nose angle in the backswing which should help quite a bit. But if you are still struggling, then focus on following through on the plane you are throwing on. Match the release angle to the follow through. Start slow and build up speed once you develop a good feel for it!
Hopefully i can learn some forehand. It’s a Struggle bus ;(
You got this!
@@gavinbabcock7do you have tips for elbow soreness from forehand ? Or is that normal?
When practicing a sidearm how stable of a disc should I practice with
Been using a raptor and a halo destroyer but I just crank it over to get any distance to it
@@evan11487ful I would recommend an enigma or paradigm or DD for drivers to practice hyzer flips and then maybe a cd1 or vanguard for a fairway hyzerflip!
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I know this is a forehand video but I've gotta ask about the shoes. They look like they provide good ankle support and have grippy soles. 👍
They are definitely Vivo Barefoots of some kind
Magna Forrest Vivos!
I have a decent side arm, maxed out at 275ish because of nose angle and wobble, my main focus is trying to fix my wobble so how would I do that??
Most likely that is coming from grip. I would experiment with different grips maybe or if the grip is comfortable but still getting wobble I would take some putters and mids and go figure out how to flick them until you don’t get any wobble. It sometimes just takes reps and trial and error to figure out the clean release and wrist action.
You are not using you wrist, only arm to throw.
I’m squishing your head? I’m squishing your head.
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