One way to fix Death Wobble in a Model A | 1929 Ford Model A Mail Truck
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2023
- Does your Model A have the dreaded Death Wobble?
If you don’t now someday you might experience it and this video will help you know what to do if it’s this issue!
@ModelA will show you what to do and how to do it!
We will show you how on the 1929 Ford Model A Mail Truck, yep, it had the dreaded death wobble, but not now!!
Model T packing wheel bearings on Paul Shinn’s RUclips channel -
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As always, I enjoyed this video. Thanks so much to both of you. I always love when Tina/Model T takes part in the automotive videos including those that she does on her own. Tina has developed an ASMR voice that I don't recall from the earlier videos. Or perhaps the microphone on this camera has allowed her beautiful voice to come through. I love Paul's videos as well and the two of you working together is double the benefit for those of us on this end. Paul, you have a way of cracking me up with one-line statements that I'm never expecting. In this video you said "...get your handy Tonya Harding" while hammering the cotter pin. And wham! You brought me back thirty years. Hahaha! Poor Tonya, and after all these years. I think you have subscriber's that hadn't been born when that event took place, which just adds to the amusement. Hahaha! Then you got me again with the "Metallic Cinder Block." Hahaha! And I'd say that Tina knows torque wrenches because it looked like 100 ft. lbs. to me.
The mail truck sure is a beauty. And I like the how you customized the cross bar to protect the paint on the wheels. I'm impressed by your "ingenuity" by affixing a washer inside the lug socket to reduce the depth. Very good.
Wheel bearings were never a favorite job for me, but I'd rather work with front wheel bearings than any job involving rear end oil. The smell of rear diff oil makes me sick, and that smell has a way of getting stuck in my nose.
I'm feeling kind of bad that it's cold and Paul is tired. I'm wondering how cold it was outdoors that night. Being noteworthy, I'm thinking it must be really cold for that part of California. No shop heat for the Shinn's?
Oh my gosh how I love your message, thank you so much for your loving kindness 💕💗
lol, yes we have propane heaters but sometimes we’re in such a time crunch to make our videos that we don’t take the time for the set up of heat 😜 It’s been in the lower 30’s in the early mornings and 40’s in late morning and late evening lately.
I hope you are doing well and have a fantastic week!
@@Modeltshinn Thank you for replying. And you're welcome, Tina. The videos that you and Paul put out are worth praising. I had no idea the temperatures got that cold in your area. If it helps, I've been very pleased with an electric furnace that I had installed in my garage. And also pleased with it being operated by a wall thermostat like inside the house. The cost wasn't much for the furnace or for my electrician to install it.
If interested, I can locate the on-line page for the furnace and send you the link.
We've had the garage furnace for three years now and it's been 100% reliable. Here in Connecticut, we have set to 60 degrees for the entire winter, and warmer if I'm working out there. The reason is to extend the life of the traction batteries in our Prius, because I learned that batteries do best being in and stored-in a temperature of 60 degrees. It's actually 59 point something degrees, so we go with 60 degrees.
Paul probably got the Tonya Harding hammer reference from Derek Bieri of Vice Grip Garage with whom Paul is good friends. And of course from the original reference!
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I love it when you and model T talk and work together
Watching y'alls garage videos takes me back to Saturday's working on cars and tractors with my dad.
Thanks Paul and Tina for a great show love you all
Thank you 💕 Big hugs!
You're very welcome I love every show you put out on the model a it's a great show
Glad you mentioned tape on the 4-way wrench to protect the spokes and a rubber washer in the end of the lug so that the end of the wrench doesn't scratch up the wheels! An old trick that's been published in The Restorer magazine.
Thanks a lot! Wow, I didn’t realize it was published at some point, very cool! Take care!
It is a great tip! I wish I'd known before I started wailing away with my impact hammer and scratched up my wheels. (Even with rubber padded sockets. They don't cover where it comes in contact with the outside of the wheel.) They really need painting anyway, and I'm about due for tires, so not a big deal.
My Dad, the guy who poured used motor oil on the ground, wouldn’t let me use gasoline on wheel bearings. He was also the same guy who got a mouthful of gasoline while syphoning gas. He was greatest owner of a 1929 Model A I ever knew!
Awesome guy 💗💕 Thanks for sharing!!
This is great Tina and Paul !!! That mail truck is beautiful. I love seeing seeing you work on Model A's. This will help me tremendously when I get mine. Love you both!
Thank you so much for your wonderful message! I love you back, have an awesome week! 💕
Always fun to see these videos! Thanks for taking the time to share!
Thank you so much 💕
Good job as usual y'all!! And you nailed it Model T, doing wheel bearings has always been a relaxing kinda thing👍
Thank you so much 💕 I think it’s the sound the bearings make with the sound of them squishing in the grease, I think it’s an ASMR moment 😁
Bearing packers are useful if you pack a lot of bearings or don't how to do it by hand. The bearings were lose. I bet it was noticeable. Love you too Model T!
Thanks!!! 💕
Watched it again. Doing that tomorrow. Thank you for this collection of tech items.
Awesome, you’re going to do great!
That was great video, Tina and Paul. Although I saw the video how to pack the wheel bearing, it's always nice to see a video that short and instructive.
Thank you so much Robert 💗
Thanks for posting! Valuable info as always and something I will keep in mind next time i have the front end up in the air!
Thanks, have a great week 💗
Thanks again for the learning.
Used to have a 1952 ford truck and it would get the so called death wobble. I would just put on the brakes and it would stop doing that. It usually started by hitting a patch in the asphalt so not a constant thing anyway.
I could never count the many times I’ve packed wheel bearings, always by hand. Something I learned when I was about 16. And yes, I sometimes use not-gasoline too. Comes in handy.
Have an awesome week Bill 💗
Very nice video, Mr and Mrs Shinn! Great tip on the lug wrench to prevent scratching paint. Great method on seating wheel bearings. You've come very close to the actual Timken specified method that I previously used (torque to 50 ft lbs, back off, then torque to 10 ft lbs and line up the cotter pin hole). Now I use DRP bearing spacers, so my wheel bearing nuts are final torqued to 40 ft lbs. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for your comment Kevin, have a great week! 💕
HQ-129X on the shelf in the background. Wish I'd kept mine instead of keeping my SX-28.
Great video! And yes! Bob’s paid his dues and he’s allowed to get away with ANYTHING!! 🤣😂
Hahaha that’s awesome! Have a great week! 💕
@@Modeltshinn and that includes a Let’s Go Brandon hat….🤣😂
@@vayabroder729 😂🤣💕
Love your mail truck. I have a 1927 TT looking for a body, I was thinking army air force. Also like the Viking and Hallicrafters on the shelves. I also have more than a few radios - I'm buying my first model A, a 1929 Fordor, because they are beautiful when well upholstered and pin striped. It's complete but very rough. I'm an auto archaeologist and I like bringing them back from the dead. I'm a retired EE W5yb. I confess to being a Packard man at heart. regards to you both.
Thank you! Thanks for sharing, that’s awesome! Hey, I love other old vehicles, Model A’s just happen to be one of our favorites 💗 Take care!
Yeah, I was one of those folks barking about using gasoline...🙄 What I find works great for cleaning small parts (like bearings) when I am away from my parts washer is to use a peanut butter jar. The current jars are made of some super polycarbonate stuff and are very durable. Just fill it enough to cover the parts (with mineral spirits!) and shake like a martini! No mess, no fuss! Super portable. Yes, I use a bearing packer. And I keep it in the shop fridge. But nothing wrong with hand packing! I am still on the hunt for a cheap '30/'31 roadster pickup. Those words may not go together though! Keep up the videos! Great work!
Thanks for the message 💗 Ya, those 2 words don’t normally go together, but you never know…best of luck!
Another great video! My 30 Fordor had a bad death wobble around 20 mph when I got it. After I packed the front bearings it went away. So I can attest to this method.
You guys be safe, watch your 6.
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Thank you 💕 That’s awesome, happy you wear able to fix it with that method!! Have a great week!!
That’s the way I blacked my two 69 Fords Studebaker. 51 Buick Woody, and three of my MB!
I gotta "soft spot in my heart" for that mail truck! Good FIX IT video.
Us too! Thank you 💕
Man that mail truck is beautiful.
Heck, I did not know Tina had a Model T channel. So glad I found this because both of these channels on these great Fords is just priceless. Did you do the wheel grease packing give -away yet?
Hey thank you for showing up 💗💕 lol, I’ll have to see how serious Paul is about a give away 😄
Yes --- Gasoline was the way --- I remember my Dad -- sixty-three years ago cleaning his Indian and the Harley in the back yard. I too even at times find myself using it ---- Thanks for the video ---- Rodney
Thanks for sharing 💗
Beautiful video once again. I'm a certified tech. in that field and usually shimmy is caused by excessive caster. the wheels fighting each other. Loose king pins, wheel brgs. etc. can be the trigger but look to caster for the energy causing the problem. Try raising the radius rod ball somehow or simply raise the back of the truck higher will help. Unfortunitly Fords from that time period only have 1 front spring running side to side so there is no way to play with shims like other cars with 2 springs that run front to back. Thanks again for your guys hard work
Thanks for your message! Have a great week!! 💗
If the radius rod ball under the bell housing is loose the wheels will wobble at slow speed. Was coming down Mt. Victoria (N.S.W., Aust.) in 2nd, many, many years ago and the police pulled us up because of said wobble. Was able to convince them it wasn't serious and that we would fix it when we got to next town. We saw a lady in her garden and asked if she had an old boot she could give us. We soon had some leather circles cut and installed and on our way again, with a vehicle much more enjoyable to drive, thankful for a bit of uniform motivation and wondering why we had not done it years ago. Ah well, way out, back of beyond it didn't seem to matter all that much.
Thank for sharing, awesome story!
Safety glasses to lube and adjust front wheel bearing. WOW.
😂 yep!
'Non-gasoline' haha!
'Spa treatment' for bearings!
You guys crack me up! You're the best! Keep it up! I do the manual packing too!
😆 thanks, we are always cracking up in the shop, half the crazy and silly things we do and say never make to the video lol Have an awesome week!! 💕
You should do an 'out-takes' video! That would be hilarious! Mistakes, mayhem and madness! See? Paul can be as zany as he probably is!
@@williamforbes5826 maybe some day lol, we make fun of everything and anything, people are so quick to get offended for the stupidest stuff these days.
@@Modeltshinn Yup! We be offended! But if you do an out takes video I can watch it while eating take out food! Hahahaha 😂😂
@@williamforbes5826 you always make me laugh 😂
thanks Model t
Bought a bench top parts washer and filled it with Royal Purple Cleaner. Works great.
Thanks for the share 💕
Model T
is your little helper( Paul) asking for a early christmas gift?
A parts washer
Thanks Guys !!!
Thank you💗
@@Modeltshinn You all seem to have soooo much fun !!!
@@N-Scale me and Paul always have fun together 💗 oh the bloopers and crazy laughs we have but probably will never show lol
@@Modeltshinn I can imagine. My bloopers would be 25% funny and 75% cussing !!!!
@@N-Scale lol, no more G rated for you 🤣😂
Thanks you two, sleep well Paul.
Thank you so much Mack 💕
I have sure used a whole whoop of not-gasoline (my favorite was not-Skelly Bronze) not-kerosene, not-alcohol, not-mineral spirits, not-turpentine down through the decades-I guess I’m lucky to still be alive.
Lol, a lot of nots 🤣
Have a great week!
About 50 years ago, when I was rebuilding my first car (a '60 Corvair), my dad brought home some Freon solvent he got from work. Stuff worked about as good as gasoline, and wasn't flammable. Don't know if you can get it anymore.
Interesting, I don’t think they sell that anymore. Have a great week! 💕
I’ve got that same jack! Lubed everything and still cries when I use it.
😂 That’s hilarious!
Great Information! I was hoping this was my problem, but I took my front hubs apart and reseated the bearings as you show, but I still have a horrible wobble, most notable when I'm slowing down to about 15-10 mph. Reseating the bearings had no effect. I've replaced the tie rod and the ends (the tie rod was bent.) Doesn't seem like any play in the king pins. Steering is a F100 and there is virtually no play. I'm a bit stumped so replacing one thing at a time. New bearings next, then maybe drag link. If that doesn't help, then I'll try the king pins. I just hate to pull them all apart when they don't appear to be bad. Any other ideas? Thx!
Your alignment is next. 1/16 to 1/8 of toe in is a must.
@@ModelA Thanks for the reply! I failed to mention that I did check that. I got the alignment tool you had in your video and got it set to 1/16" toe in. I did this after swapping the tie rod,
@@ModelA I finally figured it out. The radius ball was loose in the housing. Apparently, someone installed an after market rubber ball on the radius ball and a larger housing to accommodate it (the plates on the top and bottom of the ball.) The rubber disintegrated, so the ball was loose in that larger housing. Also, the right brake drum is out of round and that contributed to the wobble. Now I need to turn the drums. Getting there... (thank you and thanks to Model T for all these great videos! I honestly would not have jumped into this hobby without all the Model A videos available. I find your videos the most helpful. You're a great ambassador for the Model A community!)
Is it better to adjust the wheel bearing without the tire mounted or with the tire mounted ?
Hi, You know it really doesn’t matter, whatever you feel comfortable with works. Have a great week! 💗
Can you tell me if a steering gearbox is a seven - or two pen gearbox by looking?
I will be doing Q&A videos for this month October and November so Paul can answer a ton of questions, I’ll put your question in one, be on the look out and he’ll show what the difference is. Take care!
What kind of horse power can a stock rear axle handle?
What if you put the bearing in a plastic bag with grease and pulled a vacuum on the bag pressing the grease into the bearing?
Not sure it would go into nooks and crannies as well? Plus, the ASMR moments would be ruined 😄💕
Paul, I think maybe greasing your floor jack might be a good idea, or am I incorrect?
Lol, I’m not sure what @paulshinn is going to do with that
Paul, I noticed that the outside and inside bearing looks like the same size. Are they actually that? BTW, does Tina like getting messy? haha
This is Tina, yes I like messy 💕😂 The bearings are different sizes, the inner one is the bigger the outer is smaller. Have a great week!
I prefer gas if I must clean the bearing it will air dry. many solvents dont dry and will wash away the grease believe me ive seen it.
I agree completely 💗
I typically always use "not gasoline" when cleaning wheel bearings. I have used "not gasoline" for years.
🤣 that’s awesome!
Did you paint your garage/shop floor or epoxy?
Epoxy! Have an awesome week! 💕
My wife is a rural route carrier for USPS. I’m hoping to build her a small replica of this truck as a gift. Would you know where I could get a surplus of photos and measurements from such a truck?
We just typed in toy 1929 Model A mail truck and got lots of different ones to choose from, this is one of them…
www.ebay.com/itm/394429998422
Best of luck and have a nice week! 💕
@@Modeltshinn yes sir I actually bought her that model to go along with her growing collection of hot wheels and scaled trucks. I do a lot of 3D modeling in my spare time and I hope to build a 1/6th scale model of this truck and a Model A closed cab truck. I’m just a stickler for accurate dimensions.
@@monstertrucker35 not sure on that part, I’ll see what I can find, sounds like a fun project.
@@monstertrucker35 this may have some of the info you want?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_A_(1927%E2%80%931931)
Safety is necessary but FIXING THE TRUCK is the priority. If you don't fix the truck correctly you may end up in a ditch with broken body parts.
Another great video. Greta will be disappointed in your "solvent" method.
Thanks 💕
Where do you buy not gasoline?
At not Chevron, at not 76…,😂
I know that this comment doesn't pertain to your current video, however I wanted to know your take on a "Shay" model A. There is someone locally selling one
Well, it’s not a Model A, it just looks like one and a personal preference I suppose…if you don’t care about the vehicle not being a Model A and having engine needs based from the 80’s then it’s all good. Our friend George had a very bad stroke, he had to give up driving the Model A because of the stick shift, the Shay has allowed him to enjoy the Model A fun with everyone because it’s automatic, so there is some value to the SHay in that sense. Have a great week!
I heard to fix death wobble you let some air out of one tire
Well, depending on what’s causing the death wobble, is that really fixing anything by letting some air out of one tire? What ever the issue is still exists and may get much worse and more expensive for letting it go unfixed…best to find out why it has a death wobble and fix the issue 💗 Have a great week!
you can not judge brgs unless the inner races are cked
Gasoline or kerosene are perfectly acceptable solvents for cleaning parts.
Yes, thank you! Have a great week 💕
I was just going to say that I prefer to use gasoline to clean/degrease. It is the way my dad taught me, and it’s the way I will be teaching my kids.
@@ReallyDumbName that’s awesome!! People are worried because it’s combustion, but so many cleaners are combustible or will catch fire in right situations. Just being careful to keep an aired out area, no fire source of any kind around while working with cleaner….you know lol but I guess it’s not common sense to everyone.
It is the old school way! Absolutely!
I had the death wobble early on in the journey to make it road worthy. Turns out I backed the nut off a smidgen too far.
Yikes! I bet you’re doing awesome now!
@@Modeltshinn yep she drives perfect now.
Oh, just think about it, this was a 'one sided' video! We want balance...hee hee haw haw!
😂💕
Night nite people....
Sweet dreams 💗
Ford Super Dookies still carry on the death wobble tradition today
Way to go with gasoline for cleaning. I can even smell it throught the computer. Cheers Ian
😂that’s a good one!! Until they come up with smellovision lol
Don't drive it
Why wouldn’t we drive it?