This is literally the worst news many viewers could receive. They want to believe they can buy their way to success. It's a lot harder, and takes much longer, to actually learn the fundamentals of composition and orchestration. Thanks for showcasing this point; a lot of people need to hear it.
You haven’t offended anyone. This aspiring composer appreciates the points you’re making about practicing craft and learning to work with what you can afford. Taste is the single most important factor in any creative endeavor. As a musician/composer who came of age in the 70’s and 80’s I can say without hesitation that I would have sawed off a leg for the tools, sounds and instruments that come free in GarageBand when I was growing up (recording on my 4 track Tascam cassette recorder). There is no excuse that can support being prevented from creating great music when music making has never been easier, cheaper and with more free and cheap tools available. We (me included) must fight the urge to get the shiny things and get to work. Thank you for your insight and expertise.
coming of age in the 70ies and 70ies... raises hand. And yes to the rest of your comment as well. I'll never forget how psyched I was when discovering on my then 2008 MacBook Pro that Garageband had everything I needed for a recording I was supposed to send to a new musician friend I had made on MySpace and we later continued our collaboration on Facebook and had an online only thing going. Like you I was pining over access to a studio and its technology and today we can have much of that on a laptop and a few pieces of software, isn't it amazing? 😀❤️
9:26 Close, Stage and Surround... from the manual: "Each instrument sample contains high-resolution components recorded from microphone groups placed to achieve close, full, and ambient sound. Setups are modeled after traditional Decca setups having front omnidirectional microphones for full string sound, a directional center tree to focus woodwinds and brass and a number of stereo pair accents for solo and close up work. Instruments are placed on stage where they usually perform so that signals from these microphone groups can be mixed and have the general technical feel and acoustic properties of a live session. Soloists can be brought forward, other instruments can be accented yet remain back or in the orchestra, and off stage effects can be produced, all with correct acoustic perspective."
Yes x 1000! When it comes down to real-world output, I think most tools/sound libraries/hardware these days are more than adequate to create something that connects with the intended audience, especially when skilfully used. And yes, working with limited gear really does shift the focus on developing your skills. Thanks for this video!
Is binge-watching a sin? If so, then you've made me a (worse) sinner. What a fascinating channel, and so beautifully presented. Humbling and inspiring at the same time. I guess I'm a fan!
THANK YOU!!! And for $29 a month you can have one of the top libraries in the world. Opus is a hell of a lot more stable. I don't know what I would have done without East-West!!!
Thank you so much for this - I've been feeling this for years and now I have someone else (with credibility) saying the same thing? And I still use EW!!
You speak like a real human, to us as if we're real humans. Most of us probably are. Point is, you do not come across as someone "putting on a personality." We get the right amount of levity and casual nature that makes your content very approachable, a major factor of a great educator.
...so you chose to upload this two hours after I pulled the trigger on JXL Brass. Salt, meet wound. Anyway, great video as always! Needless to say the mockup is great as well.
Funny thing... someone on VI-Control started a thread about purchasing burnout... reading the OP's comment, I knew I was going to post a comment and it was going to start with, "Buying shit..." I scroll down, the very next comment is linking this vid and all I see is "Buying Shit." You are spot-on. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times: "EWQL Orchestra Gold is the greatest/most revolutionary sample library ever... just wish that they would go back and update it." I have never been more inspired as I was in 2005 when I purchased this library. Great video.
I just found this video and I am enjoying your reminiscing; “the good old days”! It reminds me of how fascinated we were at the invention of “stereo” and LP albums with 12 songs on two sides. Oh! And color TV! Ah, children of today will probably reminisce over their Dad’s first electric flying car and laugh at how bulky AR goggles were. Thanks for bringing me back to the past. Your an amazing artist and composer and a real down to earth human being. ❤❤❤
I don’t know what brought me to this channel but it is a gem! I am a sixty year old guitar player who is currently beefing up on harmonization theory.What you say about the gear fomo is actually 10 x the case for a large fraction of the guitar community. There is an endless sea of gear available, especially in the electric department, with new more shit popping up every minute. When I started with guitar by the age of 15 I started with a classical nylon string. I was happy! Of course I wanted an electric like my rock heroes and I got it a year later. I was in heaven. I got my first distortion/ reverb device at the age of 18, I almost cried for happiness. Everything after this was just cool, nice to have and in the end often a huge distraction from playing. I got so fed up with fiddling with my gear and chasing sounds that I stopped playing electric altogether for a couple of years and just played my Spanish guitar.
Thanks for another great take.!Shooting it straight, and it’s all credible with no sales pitch. Just good advice, because who has the time for BS? And man do I relate to growing up “free range” and unsupervised! 😂 Cheers!
Your take is spot on and important. As for location, EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra (usually and mercifully just abbreviated EWQLSO) was recorded in Benaroya Hall, home of the Seattle Symphony in Seattle, Washington. Doug Rogers of EastWest confirmed in a post on Gearspace back in 2009 that he had to sign a contract that prevented them from disclosing the hall at the time. I got the platinum edition back in 2006. It was pricey. I still use parts of it to this day and it has a place in my orchestral template. Good library, though I use the Opus player for it these days, which is a big improvement over Play.
I am so inspired by your videos. I'm a 63 year old professional keyboardist and I'm studying orchestral mock ups and film scoring at home through books and videos like yours. I agree even as a keyboardist, I dont chase the latest technology when it comes to gear. I look for stuff i can learn quickly and apply on gigs and I stick with what works. I have BBCSO and Abbey Road and a few other libraries and i just have 16 gig of ram. And with that I can make a decent cue which of course still need to be fininshed and mastered. I treat it all as my hobby when I'm not gigging in Vegas doing live shows. I want to compose and do what you do from my home studio when or before I get into my 70' or 80's and just perform when i want to and licence my music. That is my dream goal Thank you for your videos and know that you give me hope amd inspiration on the regular. I am a happy subscriber to your channel. Keep doing whacha doin' !!!! Always, 😎 Mike Clark
Great discussion, awesome presentation!! It fully reminds me that there are those of us that know about the best strings from way back in the mid 90s are now still among the best or most useful for p to mp range and even forte in the upper octaves. Not from EW. Those that know, know. But 25 years later still using them in the template. Also similarly for me, I use a very old piece of hardware as physical faders. Completely "obsolete " and completely affordable an absolutely the best feel still. It's like CAMERAS and photography. Lots of new bells and whistles, yet SLRs and DSLRs and lenses from years ago still took those incredible photos we admired back then. What works, still works! Such a great point made Anne-Kathrin!
Spot on. The prize is the imagination, not the gear. Of course gear and software are nice, but that's not what makes the music. It's the ears and what's between them that make the difference. At 77 I still try to learn something new every day. I've heard it said that creativity is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration. There's a lot of truth in that. You are a breath of fresh air!
You haven’t offended me : ) I loved these last few videos, and especially your courage in calling out some of the elitism in the academic world. I did tons of films and TV shows in the late 80s with a midi module called Proteus 2. You’re right, while I am grateful for all the new libraries that I have now, it is about how creative one is in the composing and your technical skills and mixing more than anything else. Keep being yourself it’s great!
Interesting you mention the Proteus 2...I still have my Proteus 3 (World) and was blown away the first time I watched the TV show "Northern Exposure". It sounded very familiar, then I realized the entire original opening theme was done with just a Proteus 3. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for your videos Anne-Kathrin. They're always helpful and inspiring! And entertaining. 🙂
@@anonagain Ha! The Proteus 3 was great, I still have a Korg M3r module (Korg M1 rack mount) that I still just love the fretless bass from! Take care, looking forward to whatever you create next.
@@MrDarwinNE that’s great I know a modern classical and film composer up here in Canada who did film music with live musicians and did commission’s for local groups and he mocked up all his mock ups on a proteus 2! I know that now it probably would be simpler to just get one of those small sample libraries and just do a quick mock up. But I guess it just shows that there are many ways to do this and the old gear still might be very very useful eh? Good luck with your composing!
If this library was recorded in the space shown on the product box, then that is the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas, TX. Home of the Dallas symphony orchestra!
Thank you, thank you. I’ve been watching your videos and love them, not only because they’re great, but because of your humanism. I’m learning orchestration and arranging and I’m 76 years young and have one iMac (2015😢) and One library: Hollywood EastWest Opus Edition. Going to follow your guidance or wisdom to learn to use what I have and save up and learn more. Christopher Sui has been helpful and I think he’s worked with you, but that doesn’t matter because I wanted, like everyone else doing composing to have the best gear, but knowledge is better than having gear and not knowing what to do. Thanks again🙏🏾
At the age of retirement, your speech was mesmorizing, along with a wake up call of "Hey stupid.....wake up and smell the coffee!" I've always played on keys with onboard sounds. Now at being over 70, I'm venturing into DAW's, VST's, midi controllers, and the whole virtual world.......maybe a day late, and a dollar short, but your words more or less slapped the shit out of me, telling me to take one step at a time, and use what you have, regardless whether it's old or not. Thanks Anne-Kathrin for a job well done!
I’m aware that talent trumps gear and really like your video! It’s refreshing and honest. Vendors need to keep selling us shit to stay alive. They’ve brainwashed us into believing we need the latest stuff to do the same things we’ve been doing for the last 20 years. I’m vulnerable to ‘free’ and ‘free trial’. I figure I spend about 30% of my time trying new hardware and software - it’s crazy! Another big distraction is iOS music production. Hours wasted playing with fun new apps on my iPad, ultimately pulling my ideas into Logic on my Mac, where I should have started in the first place 😂
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing. Funnily enough, i have very recently purchased this library at a huge discount and part of a bundle with a choir library! So, having seen your video now, i am going to have fun with getting to grips with this library!! Thanks again, Best Regards
I can't agree more. EW has been my go to library for a long time. I keep trying to make it sound better. When my mockups suck (most of the time!) I know it's on me, not on EW. The same way I use Cubase stock plugins since I am not an engineer and expensive plugin wont make my mixes sound better ... I prefer to invest in training...
Certainly best sound, but for me a lot of trouble that i only find there. Many times i just go to some simple alternatives that are good, like Alpine Woodwinds . I use Goliath a lot, even having all EW instruments, only God explains…. Yesterday Opus crashed again, while pressing „reveal in library“ , because the instrument was irresponsibe. What a hell when composing
@@audiowork6015 i know this hell. Considering that this is the “best” and expensive I find ridiculous how EW is not humble about it. Notice their updates, and how they communicate about crashes and bugs
Regarding samples the only problem i see is with inconsistence in timbre/velocity and also unwanted noise, that gives trouble later when compressed. Another thing that I don´t experience with some other libraries..But doubtless - as sound -it is a go to orchestra when it comes to professional work.
Great advice Anne!!!... can i call you Anne?... my father was a mechanical engineer for 45 years and the most used tool he owned was an old rusty steel bar he had found somewhere as an apprentice... many of his tools came and went, lost and broken, bought and sold... but the old steel bar remained!...I now have that old steel bar and use it often!... not for music production obviously! ... Although when my DAW crashes the old steel bar does come to mind!...😁
Had a real good laugh at the start of this. Great stuff. There's a lot of truth to what you are saying, especially with how many places keep cranking out new libraries.
Anne-Kathrin: You are so intelligent, talented and funny!!! Is always a pleasure to watch your videos , learn from you and hear your very particular opinion and interesting perspective of your observations. I loved your mock-up, but had not recognized that was such an old library :-) !! Agree 100% on your points. Keep the good work and congratulation for the growing channel!!!
Really nice video! You are absolutely right. There is a video of a guy pairing two mock ups and a real recording of Waltz of the Flowers. One mockup was Spitfire BBCSO pro and the other one Noteperformer 3, with a nice hall reverb, well done panning and eq. Well, you can guess the results...
~6:38 ". . . the vast majority of people, I would argue, cannot hear the difference" Good advice from someone who actually knows whereof she speaks. Thanks, A-KD (btw, to a certain extent, this also applies to hardware--decades ago, Chick Corea had a column about this very issue in Keyboard)
This definitely applies to hardware. There are blind tests where people that consider themselves experts couldn't tell the difference between analog hardware and software VST.
For the under 30 demographic, “Keyboard” is a reeeeeally reeeeally old magazine about keyboard instruments. A “magazine” is.a form of a reeeeally reeeally old thing called a book. A “book” is a reeeally reeeally old thing made of paper. “Paper” is a... Ahh F it...
Over the last year, I've listened to a lot of Anne's videos and got around to building a full on orchestral template with VEPro. As a test, I loaded up a MIDI version of Beethoven's Violin Concerto in D, and it was absolute proof that what she says about knowledge beating gear is spot on. The overall sound was so good, even just using sustain patches (for woodwinds) and not messing around too much with legatos, etc. So there it is, if you know what you're doing (Beethoven certainly did) you don't have to mess around so much with slow or fast legatos, older or newer libraries (I'm using older EastWest libraries for the most part myself), or all the latest and greatest this or that. I have spent a lot of time fiddling and tweaking, and have realized a good part of that time was spent fussing over things what it was really just lack of knowledge and experience. "Knowledge beats gear, every time."
Thanks for this video, very refreshing and so true. I'm not a professional composer but sometimes, it's so attractive to buy a better library even if I will use 20% of his feature (or less) and I will complicate my life to understand how it works instead of focusing on my creative work 🤣 It gives so much more inner strength and inner confidence to use what we already have and go beyond our own limits & beliefs. Thank you again, do not change anything 🙏
East West is truly excellent about helping out students and aspiring composers. I was in high school when they first introduced Composer Cloud, with a great education discount. That was truly a game changer for me, that I as a high school student working as a dishwasher could afford such a huge array of quality libraries. Sure, a lot of them show their age and don't have the same amount of features that modern libraries do, but they still sound great and are more than usable. Composer Cloud is pretty much responsible for me getting into Berklee, and for me now living in LA just starting to work as a composers assistant! You are so right too about focusing more on developing skills rather than blaming it on needing newer tools. It is something I try and tell those starting out too - sure you do need at the very least some sort of decent orchestral library to start with, but money would be better spent on orchestration/arranging/production/mixing books and courses than more tools you don't know how to use yet. Knowledge is power!
Never seen one of your videos before... just randomly had this one in my feed ND thought the title was interesting. Only 30 seconds in and already diggin the vibe 😁
I COMPLETELY agree 🙂 I have an album coming out in December and most of the plugins I'm using are from the early/mid 00s - mostly electric pianos and organs, and a good few of them are beta versions as I prefer the sounds to the final product.. For orchestra stuff I use the Miroslav plugin which is now well over a decade old and uses samples that started life as a hardware sample library, with all the restrictions that that brought. But I'm really happy with the sound of all of them, I know intimately how they work, how they respond, how to get the best out of them. I still use the freeware MDA plugins too, the epiano is STILL one of the loveliest tine pianos about, even 20 years and countless sample libraries later.. What a luvly video, thank you for speaking up!
A friend of mine put me onto this video. Thank you, very relevant comments and I think useful to a lot of people. I began in about 2008 with Garritan, and shortly afterwards acquired EW Gold. Like you, I feel that it gave me a start on my journey. I also have all four of the others you mentioned (Ra, Silk, VoP and Stormdrums). It's what everyone was buying at the time :) I would still use them if I thought the sound was right.
Hi Anne, I really enjoyed your video and probably I am oder than you that makes me understand many things that you had shared; unfortunatelly in my "music life" has not been like a had wished from early time but I had learn and clear my mind of what do I really need for the music that I wanna do and even that my saxophone coast arround hundred dollars on eBay (a vintage student horn) and after five years I could buy a better mouthpiece for less than hundred dollars (again) I had this frustration that getting good things my sound, my brain was gone not for quality of budget, to don´t learn rigthly, make a good routine, etc.; so thank you so much for your videos, to share for a high position on your music life that we don´t need so much rubish and so on. Regards from Germany!
OMG! I stopped at 1:30 and listened to this performance twice more before moving on. And then THE REVEAL! Well done, nice the way you panned nice and slow. I took away some ear training while watching the first 2:20 seconds! And now, to continue...
Couldn’t agree more with this! I use Spitfire but that’s because I’ve always used them because I was lucky to have started when LABS and BBC Discover was released. I got used to how to write with their libraries, their quarks and all that so I’ve just stayed with them. I have others now as they’ve offered stuff I liked and needed for various things. I’ll admit I LOVE to purchase new stuff 😂😂😂 but the ones I use the MOST are the ones I’ve had for a few years now. Use what’s inspiring to you, comfortable for you to use and write and go with it!! I’m so on board on not caring about the sample argument!!
So Anne... I thought I had you beat so I dragged out my extremely dusty box of East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold... but alas... it's from 2009.. I have since graduated to Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition... Please keep up your awesome work... I can't wait for your videos
hey Anne, i'm new to your channel, i find the tips and tricks you show a great addition to all the other channels i'm fan of, as a music hobbyist i have accuired a lot of sample libraries, also the one you showcased here (symphonic orchestra) my latest addition is musio altough i have most of the cinesamples libraries in kontakt format, just went nuts when updating to kontakt 7 when the GUI from certain libraries are completely unreadable on one of my two machines,i have contacted NI tough, they say they will get in touch, have a nice day Anne
Absolutely agree..!! congrats for you steemed Anne for enlightening that much to many of us constantly in what really matters about creation, music and the actual need to respect the real talent of some people, not the gear budget everyone could have. Thank you so much for sharing these so valuables videos. Grettings from Chile .
dear youtube algorithm, Please make this one go viral. This video will make the world a better place. Also Anne, I usually just lurk but I'd like to thank you for the high quality content. I appreciate you doing the hard work making it despite youtube probably not being a big (enough) avenue for business for you.
i thought it was albion one legacy cause i was listening your video like a podcast. but then i saw the video and saw the library in the right side. Good video 😀
Very good message about not needing great gear to work well, but when it comes to workflow and not having to worry about coding when you're creating music you do need to invest in gear and software. Not the main aim 100% but a bug chunk of the creativity. And I don't mean to be updated all the time about gear and software because that's an endless rabbit hole that no one intentionally want to enter, but at least decent amenities for creating. Thanks again for the great video dear, always appreciate your take on these matters!
Well Said. Well done. You just saved me from myself! I've always been suspicious regard libraries that market the hall sound. I also realized that I didn't need to worry too much about mixing different librarys. When recorded together I can't hear the difference mostly. I just concentrate on getting better at orchestration (practice) and that ususally takes care of lousy sound. You are the best! I am forever gratefull for your posts!
I really appreciated the flip phone story, because it brought some "Opa erzählt vom Krieg"-vibes into the video. That being said: I feel old now. I'm gonna go and buy a piece of cake.
THANK YOU!!! I am 60 and just trying to break into trailer music. My only orchestral libraries at the time are BBCSO Discover, Nucleus Lite and the Symphony Essentials in Komplete 13 Ultimate. I have actually been drooling over the CineSamples libraries for a while, but you have lit a new fire under me. THANK YOU!!!!
Hey Jay - I’m 60 too and passionate about music production. I have friends making music for TV and movies. It’s very competitive and key to have contacts. Good luck!
@@JeffyG fortunately I do this for the love of making music. I am retired, and no longer play on stage so I have been looking for a motivation (you know how we get). If I make it, great! If I don't, I have tried something new and learned something. All things considered, it is a win as far as I am concerned. I know there are a LOT more composers than large projects, but I know a few indie film producers that I might get some projects from. Who knows...
With this video you brought back some very fond memories for me... I purchased the EW Symphonic Orchestra for Kontakt back in 2005 for 1000$ and listening to it again in 2022 in a mockup done by a millenium is fantastic! I still have the paper manual but the recording hall and the orchestra used to produce this library is not mentioned and still remain a mystery even to this day, maybe you can connect to Nick Phoenix and Doug Rogers in LA to find out ;-) Regarding the microphone set up used, I am quoting directly from the manual: "Each instrument sample contains high-resolution components recorded in a good concert hall from microphone groups placed to achieve close, full and ambient sound. Setups are modeled after traditional DECCA setups having front omnidirectional microphones for full string sound, a directional center tree to focus woodwinds and brass and a number of stereo pair accents for solo and close up work. Instruments are placed on stage, as they would perform so that signals from these microphone groups can be mixed and have the general technical feel and acoustic properties of a live session. Soloists can be brought forward, other instruments can be accented yet remain back or in the orchestra, off stage effects can be produced all with correct acoustic perspective". Another aspect to note is this, I am quoting directly from the manual: "All of the recording equipment used in the project was either hand-built or extensively modified by Prof. Keith O. Johnson to optimize fidelity". In those days this library was a big deal and the major competitor to East West was VSL... Best regards and blessings, MaxT
great video! It´s funny, i got my first film job using the old cheap Steinberg orchestra library. When i started out scoring i was pretty much broke and i got a student discount on that library. There are pretty much no round robins at all in it, but I did my best to get the most out of it. And since i didn´t have much money to buy sample libaries i started to record my own samples and create my own instruments. Now i have over 20 gig of my own samples to play around with. And those are my sounds wich no one else have access to.
Great video - nothing but truth here! I have been saying the same basic thing on my channel and I am really glad to see several RUclips channels have kind of been saying HEY!! Stop wasting money!! 🙂 I really enjoy your videos and enjoy your presentation! Keep on doing what you’re doing!!
And there it is kids at 3:17 in the biggest golden words of advice “Skill beats gear every time !! “ Hi Anne.. I’m a uk based theatre sound designer and engineer and Love watching your informative content.. ✌🏼😎
Love the mockup and the Forest Gump soundtrack ! I still use EW libs a lot in my mockup too, it's all about the time spent programming... great video as always :)
I'm not even a film-composer, but i feel blessed to have realised that EWQL's old library is actually still very good, even kinda "un-mixed" (check out my metal mix Red Alert as the example, alltho i added my own lowend fake synths to thicken it up a bit. I just bounced it down to a wave and automated the volume a bit cause the project was crashing cpu spikes and stuff, ha ha. I think Dimmu Borgir used Ewqlso on an album aswell. You can tell that it's a "fake orchestra" but once the guitars and drums kick in it works really well. I also used it just as a subtle textures in my future love ballad classic 'Stick It In' and it totally adds a lot of athmosphere to the mix yet it's 20years old, crazy
Absolutely nailed the topic, thank you! 🙏 A lot of aspiring composers/orchestrators need to hear this. Even if it feels self-evident that it is the know-how and not the tool so much, the temptation to go on a continuous shopping spree is lucrative but distracting for the process.
So true! At first, when I read your title, I thought you would encourage us to seek a vintage U47 or something... LOL. I also believe that having too many options makes me less productive in the long run. Great video, thanks!
Great video, I love your channel ☺️ I think EWQLSO even has Wagner Tubas, when current and expensive libraries lack them. I still use this old but great library for orchestral sketches and notes without having to deal with dozens of articulations and complexity.
You need to give a try to the new opus player. Just for a review maybe. i know you are busy and you have all the libraries you need but for us your opinion matters. you dont offend anyone. You educate. And thank you for that!
So good! Thank you for this! I'm not classically trained, so it's refreshing to hear someone more advanced than me, so out loud what I've been thinking and feeling. Also, more sample libraries and VST instruments can sometimes translate into less work and output because you're constantly wasting time "searching" for the right library or instrument to use. I was far more prolific in writing music when all I had was one synthesizer with a built in sequencing workstation and just 16 midi channels...so I've been forcing myself to go back to those restraints. Also...between EW, Spitfire and Cinesamples...gotta say...LOVE Cinesamples the most, but that's just me. As you point out in your video...it matters more what you do with the samples then the samples themselves. Thank you again, and LOVE your content!!
I love your channel, discovered recently. And It's always realy delightfull, honnestly, to hear about the good and less good thing from the past, the 80s or the 90,s from someone who could have the age to be my daughter. I'm an old gear too, actulaly. 😃 And my old Atari, my old EPS, old Akais, with the external scsi CD rom players for the libraries on CDs. Well, to honnest I dont use the Akais or the Atari anymore but the EPS.... Well, sometimes I dig into it and my floppy case to find old sounds and resample them InTheBox
The fact that most people can't even recognize an older library by its sound speaks a lot. I guess it's also because most of them are probably younger so didn't have to work with the old libraries. As you say, knowing your gear and trying to get the most out of it before going to get the next shiny overexpansive shit because of... Reasons... Is the most important here. I started back in 2009 and worked my ass off with the Complete Composer Collection from East West, a big fat investment I made back then and I NEEDED to know how to make it sound good. Even today when I listen to some of my older mockups, I believe it's still decent and kinda relevant even if I can get WAYYYYYYY better mockups today with my current knowledge on how to create a proper mockup, orchestrating, programming and mixing skills(which are still not where I want to be. Especially when it comes to mixing). I think that all the subscription bullshit is practical for younger composers but also leads to more laziness. Investing a good amount of money always forces you to work more in depth on this investment. It goes that way with cheap courses(or torrents for example), cheap subscription models with way too many products etc... Very interesting video as usual!
Preach it sister 🙌 👏🏾 🙏🏾
This is literally the worst news many viewers could receive. They want to believe they can buy their way to success. It's a lot harder, and takes much longer, to actually learn the fundamentals of composition and orchestration. Thanks for showcasing this point; a lot of people need to hear it.
You haven’t offended anyone. This aspiring composer appreciates the points you’re making about practicing craft and learning to work with what you can afford. Taste is the single most important factor in any creative endeavor. As a musician/composer who came of age in the 70’s and 80’s I can say without hesitation that I would have sawed off a leg for the tools, sounds and instruments that come free in GarageBand when I was growing up (recording on my 4 track Tascam cassette recorder). There is no excuse that can support being prevented from creating great music when music making has never been easier, cheaper and with more free and cheap tools available. We (me included) must fight the urge to get the shiny things and get to work. Thank you for your insight and expertise.
coming of age in the 70ies and 70ies... raises hand. And yes to the rest of your comment as well. I'll never forget how psyched I was when discovering on my then 2008 MacBook Pro that Garageband had everything I needed for a recording I was supposed to send to a new musician friend I had made on MySpace and we later continued our collaboration on Facebook and had an online only thing going. Like you I was pining over access to a studio and its technology and today we can have much of that on a laptop and a few pieces of software, isn't it amazing? 😀❤️
9:26 Close, Stage and Surround...
from the manual:
"Each instrument sample contains high-resolution components recorded from microphone groups placed to achieve close, full, and ambient sound.
Setups are modeled after traditional Decca setups having front omnidirectional microphones for full string sound, a directional center tree to focus woodwinds and brass and a number of stereo pair accents for solo and close up work.
Instruments are placed on stage where they usually perform so that signals from these microphone groups can be mixed and have the general technical feel and acoustic properties of a live session. Soloists can be brought forward, other instruments can be accented yet remain back or in the orchestra, and off stage effects can be produced, all with correct acoustic perspective."
“As long as you weren’t brought home in a police car, you were fine!” 😂😂😂😂 so true!
Yours is very probably my favourite RUclips channel right now... Your calm and down-to-earth demeanor is inspiring and infectious. Fantastic.
Yes x 1000! When it comes down to real-world output, I think most tools/sound libraries/hardware these days are more than adequate to create something that connects with the intended audience, especially when skilfully used. And yes, working with limited gear really does shift the focus on developing your skills. Thanks for this video!
Is binge-watching a sin? If so, then you've made me a (worse) sinner. What a fascinating channel, and so beautifully presented. Humbling and inspiring at the same time. I guess I'm a fan!
THANK YOU!!! And for $29 a month you can have one of the top libraries in the world. Opus is a hell of a lot more stable. I don't know what I would have done without East-West!!!
Thank you so much for this - I've been feeling this for years and now I have someone else (with credibility) saying the same thing? And I still use EW!!
You speak like a real human, to us as if we're real humans. Most of us probably are. Point is, you do not come across as someone "putting on a personality." We get the right amount of levity and casual nature that makes your content very approachable, a major factor of a great educator.
Thank you, thank you and Thank you. 👍 👍 and 👍
...so you chose to upload this two hours after I pulled the trigger on JXL Brass.
Salt, meet wound.
Anyway, great video as always! Needless to say the mockup is great as well.
Yeah, but that Brass tho.
JXL Brass is phenomenal! You will definitley hear the difference. Have fun with it 🎺
@@Canqwertz1 That's great to hear - thanks! :)
JXL brass is an absolutely incredible library! Especially the low brass
Funny thing... someone on VI-Control started a thread about purchasing burnout... reading the OP's comment, I knew I was going to post a comment and it was going to start with, "Buying shit..." I scroll down, the very next comment is linking this vid and all I see is "Buying Shit." You are spot-on. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times: "EWQL Orchestra Gold is the greatest/most revolutionary sample library ever... just wish that they would go back and update it." I have never been more inspired as I was in 2005 when I purchased this library. Great video.
I just found this video and I am enjoying your reminiscing; “the good old days”!
It reminds me of how fascinated we were at the invention of “stereo” and LP albums with 12 songs on two sides.
Oh! And color TV! Ah, children of today will probably reminisce over their Dad’s first electric flying car and laugh at how bulky AR goggles were.
Thanks for bringing me back to the past. Your an amazing artist and composer and a real down to earth human being. ❤❤❤
I don’t know what brought me to this channel but it is a gem!
I am a sixty year old guitar player who is currently beefing up on harmonization theory.What you say about the gear fomo is actually 10 x the case for a large fraction of the guitar community. There is an endless sea of gear available, especially in the electric department, with new more shit popping up every minute. When I started with guitar by the age of 15 I started with a classical nylon string. I was happy! Of course I wanted an electric like my rock heroes and I got it a year later. I was in heaven. I got my first distortion/ reverb device at the age of 18, I almost cried for happiness. Everything after this was just cool, nice to have and in the end often a huge distraction from playing. I got so fed up with fiddling with my gear and chasing sounds that I stopped playing electric altogether for a couple of years and just played my Spanish guitar.
Thanks for another great take.!Shooting it straight, and it’s all credible with no sales pitch. Just good advice, because who has the time for BS? And man do I relate to growing up “free range” and unsupervised! 😂 Cheers!
Your take is spot on and important. As for location, EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra (usually and mercifully just abbreviated EWQLSO) was recorded in Benaroya Hall, home of the Seattle Symphony in Seattle, Washington. Doug Rogers of EastWest confirmed in a post on Gearspace back in 2009 that he had to sign a contract that prevented them from disclosing the hall at the time. I got the platinum edition back in 2006. It was pricey. I still use parts of it to this day and it has a place in my orchestral template. Good library, though I use the Opus player for it these days, which is a big improvement over Play.
As usual Ms. Dern, spot on! Your true fans are not offended, but encouraged. Thanks!!
I am so inspired by your videos. I'm a 63 year old professional keyboardist and I'm studying orchestral mock ups and film scoring at home through books and videos like yours. I agree even as a keyboardist, I dont chase the latest technology when it comes to gear. I look for stuff i can learn quickly and apply on gigs and I stick with what works.
I have BBCSO and Abbey Road and a few other libraries and i just have 16 gig of ram. And with that I can make a decent cue which of course still need to be fininshed and mastered.
I treat it all as my hobby when I'm not gigging in Vegas doing live shows.
I want to compose and do what you do from my home studio when or before I get into my 70' or 80's and just perform when i want to and licence my music.
That is my dream goal
Thank you for your videos and know that you give me hope amd inspiration on the regular. I am a happy subscriber to your channel.
Keep doing whacha doin' !!!!
Always,
😎 Mike Clark
Great discussion, awesome presentation!! It fully reminds me that there are those of us that know about the best strings from way back in the mid 90s are now still among the best or most useful for p to mp range and even forte in the upper octaves. Not from EW. Those that know, know. But 25 years later still using them in the template. Also similarly for me, I use a very old piece of hardware as physical faders. Completely "obsolete " and completely affordable an absolutely the best feel still. It's like CAMERAS and photography. Lots of new bells and whistles, yet SLRs and DSLRs and lenses from years ago still took those incredible photos we admired back then. What works, still works! Such a great point made Anne-Kathrin!
Miroslav?
Spot on. The prize is the imagination, not the gear. Of course gear and software are nice, but that's not what makes the music. It's the ears and what's between them that make the difference. At 77 I still try to learn something new every day. I've heard it said that creativity is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration. There's a lot of truth in that. You are a breath of fresh air!
You haven’t offended me : ) I loved these last few videos, and especially your courage in calling out some of the elitism in the academic world. I did tons of films and TV shows in the late 80s with a midi module called Proteus 2. You’re right, while I am grateful for all the new libraries that I have now, it is about how creative one is in the composing and your technical skills and mixing more than anything else. Keep being yourself it’s great!
Interesting you mention the Proteus 2...I still have my Proteus 3 (World) and was blown away the first time I watched the TV show "Northern Exposure". It sounded very familiar, then I realized the entire original opening theme was done with just a Proteus 3. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for your videos Anne-Kathrin. They're always helpful and inspiring! And entertaining. 🙂
@@anonagain Ha! The Proteus 3 was great, I still have a Korg M3r module (Korg M1 rack mount) that I still just love the fretless bass from! Take care, looking forward to whatever you create next.
I still have my Proteus 2. I recently started using it again, I really like it!
@@MrDarwinNE that’s great I know a modern classical and film composer up here in Canada who did film music with live musicians and did commission’s for local groups and he mocked up all his mock ups on a proteus 2! I know that now it probably would be simpler to just get one of those small sample libraries and just do a quick mock up. But I guess it just shows that there are many ways to do this and the old gear still might be very very useful eh? Good luck with your composing!
@@mikevirtualteacher Thank you! Indeed, the Proteus/2 is still an amazing instrument, I really like it.
If this library was recorded in the space shown on the product box, then that is the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas, TX. Home of the Dallas symphony orchestra!
Thank you, thank you. I’ve been watching your videos and love them, not only because they’re great, but because of your humanism. I’m learning orchestration and arranging and I’m 76 years young and have one iMac (2015😢) and One library: Hollywood EastWest Opus Edition. Going to follow your guidance or wisdom to learn to use what I have and save up and learn more. Christopher Sui has been helpful and I think he’s worked with you, but that doesn’t matter because I wanted, like everyone else doing composing to have the best gear, but knowledge is better than having gear and not knowing what to do. Thanks again🙏🏾
Oh those glorious times ❤
Thank you for these really valuable words!
At the age of retirement, your speech was mesmorizing, along with a wake up call of "Hey stupid.....wake up and smell the coffee!" I've always played on keys with onboard sounds. Now at being over 70, I'm venturing into DAW's, VST's, midi controllers, and the whole virtual world.......maybe a day late, and a dollar short, but your words more or less slapped the shit out of me, telling me to take one step at a time, and use what you have, regardless whether it's old or not. Thanks Anne-Kathrin for a job well done!
Your point is spot on. We'll said and done!
I’m aware that talent trumps gear and really like your video! It’s refreshing and honest. Vendors need to keep selling us shit to stay alive. They’ve brainwashed us into believing we need the latest stuff to do the same things we’ve been doing for the last 20 years. I’m vulnerable to ‘free’ and ‘free trial’. I figure I spend about 30% of my time trying new hardware and software - it’s crazy! Another big distraction is iOS music production. Hours wasted playing with fun new apps on my iPad, ultimately pulling my ideas into Logic on my Mac, where I should have started in the first place 😂
Dear girl. We Love you. Beauty, wisdom and resilience. Thanks for the honest input on this.
Thanks for being human and honest with us. Kudos
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing. Funnily enough, i have very recently purchased this library at a huge discount and part of a bundle with a choir library! So, having seen your video now, i am going to have fun with getting to grips with this library!! Thanks again, Best Regards
I can't agree more. EW has been my go to library for a long time. I keep trying to make it sound better. When my mockups suck (most of the time!) I know it's on me, not on EW. The same way I use Cubase stock plugins since I am not an engineer and expensive plugin wont make my mixes sound better ... I prefer to invest in training...
@@audiowork6015 You're right, those 3rd party plugins usually kill the CPU while stock plugins don't ... No latency and no crash :)
Certainly best sound, but for me a lot of trouble that i only find there. Many times i just go to some simple alternatives that are good, like
Alpine Woodwinds . I use Goliath a lot, even having all EW instruments, only God explains…. Yesterday Opus crashed again, while pressing „reveal in library“ , because the instrument was irresponsibe. What a hell when composing
@@audiowork6015 i know this hell. Considering that this is the “best” and expensive I find ridiculous how EW is not humble about it. Notice their updates, and how they communicate about crashes and bugs
Regarding samples the only problem i see is with inconsistence in timbre/velocity and also unwanted noise, that gives trouble later when compressed. Another thing that I don´t experience with some other libraries..But doubtless - as sound -it is a go to orchestra when it comes to professional work.
Great advice Anne!!!... can i call you Anne?... my father was a mechanical engineer for 45 years and the most used tool he owned was an old rusty steel bar he had found somewhere as an apprentice... many of his tools came and went, lost and broken, bought and sold... but the old steel bar remained!...I now have that old steel bar and use it often!... not for music production obviously! ... Although when my DAW crashes the old steel bar does come to mind!...😁
Had a real good laugh at the start of this. Great stuff. There's a lot of truth to what you are saying, especially with how many places keep cranking out new libraries.
its 2022 and YES! I still use East West Orchestra to this day also!
Brilliant content Anne! you ROCKS!
Anne-Kathrin: You are so intelligent, talented and funny!!! Is always a pleasure to watch your videos , learn from you and hear your very particular opinion and interesting perspective of your observations. I loved your mock-up, but had not recognized that was such an old library :-) !! Agree 100% on your points. Keep the good work and congratulation for the growing channel!!!
Really nice video! You are absolutely right. There is a video of a guy pairing two mock ups and a real recording of Waltz of the Flowers. One mockup was Spitfire BBCSO pro and the other one Noteperformer 3, with a nice hall reverb, well done panning and eq. Well, you can guess the results...
~6:38 ". . . the vast majority of people, I would argue, cannot hear the difference"
Good advice from someone who actually knows whereof she speaks. Thanks, A-KD
(btw, to a certain extent, this also applies to hardware--decades ago, Chick Corea had a column about this very issue in Keyboard)
This definitely applies to hardware. There are blind tests where people that consider themselves experts couldn't tell the difference between analog hardware and software VST.
For the under 30 demographic, “Keyboard” is a reeeeeally reeeeally old magazine about keyboard instruments.
A “magazine” is.a form of a reeeeally reeeally old thing called a book.
A “book” is a reeeally reeeally old thing made of paper.
“Paper” is a...
Ahh F it...
Your friend explained a lot to you about camera settings and Resolve. It's working for you. Good topic.
Beautiful. Lovely. Thank you.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...THANK YOU
"As long as you weren't brought home in a police car, you were fine - no questions asked." -- PERFECT!
Abgesehen von deiner Expertise die ich sehr schätze, bist du mir einfach grundlegend sympathisch 🙂
Over the last year, I've listened to a lot of Anne's videos and got around to building a full on orchestral template with VEPro. As a test, I loaded up a MIDI version of Beethoven's Violin Concerto in D, and it was absolute proof that what she says about knowledge beating gear is spot on. The overall sound was so good, even just using sustain patches (for woodwinds) and not messing around too much with legatos, etc. So there it is, if you know what you're doing (Beethoven certainly did) you don't have to mess around so much with slow or fast legatos, older or newer libraries (I'm using older EastWest libraries for the most part myself), or all the latest and greatest this or that. I have spent a lot of time fiddling and tweaking, and have realized a good part of that time was spent fussing over things what it was really just lack of knowledge and experience.
"Knowledge beats gear, every time."
such an incredible nice person you are,anne...thanks for all..really
Thanks for this video, very refreshing and so true. I'm not a professional composer but sometimes, it's so attractive to buy a better library even if I will use 20% of his feature (or less) and I will complicate my life to understand how it works instead of focusing on my creative work 🤣
It gives so much more inner strength and inner confidence to use what we already have and go beyond our own limits & beliefs.
Thank you again, do not change anything 🙏
East West is truly excellent about helping out students and aspiring composers. I was in high school when they first introduced Composer Cloud, with a great education discount. That was truly a game changer for me, that I as a high school student working as a dishwasher could afford such a huge array of quality libraries. Sure, a lot of them show their age and don't have the same amount of features that modern libraries do, but they still sound great and are more than usable. Composer Cloud is pretty much responsible for me getting into Berklee, and for me now living in LA just starting to work as a composers assistant!
You are so right too about focusing more on developing skills rather than blaming it on needing newer tools. It is something I try and tell those starting out too - sure you do need at the very least some sort of decent orchestral library to start with, but money would be better spent on orchestration/arranging/production/mixing books and courses than more tools you don't know how to use yet. Knowledge is power!
Never seen one of your videos before... just randomly had this one in my feed ND thought the title was interesting. Only 30 seconds in and already diggin the vibe 😁
Thank you for your words of wisdom, Anne-Kathrin.
Really precious content! Thank you so much!
I COMPLETELY agree 🙂
I have an album coming out in December and most of the plugins I'm using are from the early/mid 00s - mostly electric pianos and organs, and a good few of them are beta versions as I prefer the sounds to the final product.. For orchestra stuff I use the Miroslav plugin which is now well over a decade old and uses samples that started life as a hardware sample library, with all the restrictions that that brought.
But I'm really happy with the sound of all of them, I know intimately how they work, how they respond, how to get the best out of them. I still use the freeware MDA plugins too, the epiano is STILL one of the loveliest tine pianos about, even 20 years and countless sample libraries later..
What a luvly video, thank you for speaking up!
Great video as always
A friend of mine put me onto this video. Thank you, very relevant comments and I think useful to a lot of people. I began in about 2008 with Garritan, and shortly afterwards acquired EW Gold. Like you, I feel that it gave me a start on my journey. I also have all four of the others you mentioned (Ra, Silk, VoP and Stormdrums). It's what everyone was buying at the time :) I would still use them if I thought the sound was right.
Hi Anne, I really enjoyed your video and probably I am oder than you that makes me understand many things that you had shared; unfortunatelly in my "music life" has not been like a had wished from early time but I had learn and clear my mind of what do I really need for the music that I wanna do and even that my saxophone coast arround hundred dollars on eBay (a vintage student horn) and after five years I could buy a better mouthpiece for less than hundred dollars (again) I had this frustration that getting good things my sound, my brain was gone not for quality of budget, to don´t learn rigthly, make a good routine, etc.; so thank you so much for your videos, to share for a high position on your music life that we don´t need so much rubish and so on.
Regards from Germany!
OMG! I stopped at 1:30 and listened to this performance twice more before moving on. And then THE REVEAL! Well done, nice the way you panned nice and slow. I took away some ear training while watching the first 2:20 seconds! And now, to continue...
encouraging definitely, thanks.
Couldn’t agree more with this! I use Spitfire but that’s because I’ve always used them because I was lucky to have started when LABS and BBC Discover was released. I got used to how to write with their libraries, their quarks and all that so I’ve just stayed with them. I have others now as they’ve offered stuff I liked and needed for various things. I’ll admit I LOVE to purchase new stuff 😂😂😂 but the ones I use the MOST are the ones I’ve had for a few years now. Use what’s inspiring to you, comfortable for you to use and write and go with it!! I’m so on board on not caring about the sample argument!!
I love how note-to-self this video is :)
So Anne... I thought I had you beat so I dragged out my extremely dusty box of East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold... but alas... it's from 2009.. I have since graduated to Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition... Please keep up your awesome work... I can't wait for your videos
You have offended no one ! Great presentation ) refreshing and good on you !
Hey Ann, the EWQL Symphonic Orchestra was recorded actually in same hall as it is on the picture on he box which is Benaroya Hall in Seattle :)
hey Anne, i'm new to your channel, i find the tips and tricks you show a great addition to all the other channels i'm fan of, as a music hobbyist i have accuired a lot of sample libraries, also the one you showcased here (symphonic orchestra) my latest addition is musio altough i have most of the cinesamples libraries in kontakt format, just went nuts when updating to kontakt 7 when the GUI from certain libraries are completely unreadable on one of my two machines,i have contacted NI tough, they say they will get in touch, have a nice day Anne
Couldn't agree more Anne! Knowledge and skills ALWAYS beat gear. Great video and experiment
Absolutely agree..!! congrats for you steemed Anne for enlightening that much to many of us constantly in what really matters about creation, music and the actual need to respect the real talent of some people, not the gear budget everyone could have.
Thank you so much for sharing these so valuables videos. Grettings from Chile .
Anne, thanks for this video and many others. As beginner composer, I find your videos are very inspiring. Have a great day!
Thar was truly inspiring. As someone who is starting out, and with no prior experience or education, I do have same anxious...
Not offended at all, the best advices comes from you. Thanx.
Thanks so much, just saved me buying another library just because they're on sale! A bad workman etc...
dear youtube algorithm,
Please make this one go viral. This video will make the world a better place.
Also Anne, I usually just lurk but I'd like to thank you for the high quality content. I appreciate you doing the hard work making it despite youtube probably not being a big (enough) avenue for business for you.
i thought it was albion one legacy cause i was listening your video like a podcast. but then i saw the video and saw the library in the right side. Good video 😀
Thanks for being so transparent but also must say your mock up of that wonderful theme was great!
Very good message about not needing great gear to work well, but when it comes to workflow and not having to worry about coding when you're creating music you do need to invest in gear and software. Not the main aim 100% but a bug chunk of the creativity. And I don't mean to be updated all the time about gear and software because that's an endless rabbit hole that no one intentionally want to enter, but at least decent amenities for creating. Thanks again for the great video dear, always appreciate your take on these matters!
Well Said. Well done. You just saved me from myself! I've always been suspicious regard libraries that market the hall sound. I also realized that I didn't need to worry too much about mixing different librarys. When recorded together I can't hear the difference mostly. I just concentrate on getting better at orchestration (practice) and that ususally takes care of lousy sound. You are the best! I am forever gratefull for your posts!
i feel sanity returning as i watch your channel. you rule.
Great vid. Excellent advice! Thank you.
thank you for this video
My first love! Ewql ❤still use it
I really appreciated the flip phone story, because it brought some "Opa erzählt vom Krieg"-vibes into the video. That being said: I feel old now. I'm gonna go and buy a piece of cake.
THANK YOU!!! I am 60 and just trying to break into trailer music. My only orchestral libraries at the time are BBCSO Discover, Nucleus Lite and the Symphony Essentials in Komplete 13 Ultimate. I have actually been drooling over the CineSamples libraries for a while, but you have lit a new fire under me. THANK YOU!!!!
Hey Jay - I’m 60 too and passionate about music production. I have friends making music for TV and movies. It’s very competitive and key to have contacts. Good luck!
@@JeffyG fortunately I do this for the love of making music. I am retired, and no longer play on stage so I have been looking for a motivation (you know how we get). If I make it, great! If I don't, I have tried something new and learned something. All things considered, it is a win as far as I am concerned. I know there are a LOT more composers than large projects, but I know a few indie film producers that I might get some projects from. Who knows...
With this video you brought back some very fond memories for me... I purchased the EW Symphonic Orchestra for Kontakt back in 2005 for 1000$ and listening to it again in 2022 in a mockup done by a millenium is fantastic! I still have the paper manual but the recording hall and the orchestra used to produce this library is not mentioned and still remain a mystery even to this day, maybe you can connect to Nick Phoenix and Doug Rogers in LA to find out ;-)
Regarding the microphone set up used, I am quoting directly from the manual: "Each instrument sample contains high-resolution components recorded in a good concert hall from microphone groups placed to achieve close, full and ambient sound. Setups are modeled after traditional DECCA setups having front omnidirectional microphones for full string sound, a directional center tree to focus woodwinds and brass and a number of stereo pair accents for solo and close up work. Instruments are placed on stage, as they would perform so that signals from these microphone groups can be mixed and have the general technical feel and acoustic properties of a live session. Soloists can be brought forward, other instruments can be accented yet remain back or in the orchestra, off stage effects can be produced all with correct acoustic perspective".
Another aspect to note is this, I am quoting directly from the manual: "All of the recording equipment used in the project was either hand-built or extensively modified by Prof. Keith O. Johnson to optimize fidelity".
In those days this library was a big deal and the major competitor to East West was VSL... Best regards and blessings, MaxT
Damn, thanks for the nostalgic walk! Loving this rewind! ... remember buying NI Battery 1 in this big clunky box.
great video!
It´s funny, i got my first film job using the old cheap Steinberg orchestra library. When i started out scoring i was pretty much broke and i got a student discount on that library. There are pretty much no round robins at all in it, but I did my best to get the most out of it. And since i didn´t have much money to buy sample libaries i started to record my own samples and create my own instruments. Now i have over 20 gig of my own samples to play around with. And those are my sounds wich no one else have access to.
Great video - nothing but truth here! I have been saying the same basic thing on my channel and I am really glad to see several RUclips channels have kind of been saying HEY!! Stop wasting money!! 🙂 I really enjoy your videos and enjoy your presentation! Keep on doing what you’re doing!!
And there it is kids at 3:17 in the biggest golden words of advice
“Skill beats gear every time !! “
Hi Anne.. I’m a uk based theatre sound designer and engineer and Love watching your informative content.. ✌🏼😎
Love the mockup and the Forest Gump soundtrack !
I still use EW libs a lot in my mockup too, it's all about the time spent programming... great video as always :)
@@audiowork6015 Exact same ! I find myself constantly layering or just swapping a lot of modern libs by EW
Thank You! That's True!
I'm not even a film-composer, but i feel blessed to have realised that EWQL's old library is actually still very good, even kinda "un-mixed" (check out my metal mix Red Alert as the example, alltho i added my own lowend fake synths to thicken it up a bit.
I just bounced it down to a wave and automated the volume a bit cause the project was crashing cpu spikes and stuff, ha ha. I think Dimmu Borgir used Ewqlso on an album aswell. You can tell that it's a "fake orchestra" but once the guitars and drums kick in it works really well. I also used it just as a subtle textures in my future love ballad classic 'Stick It In' and it totally adds a lot of athmosphere to the mix yet it's 20years old, crazy
Absolutely nailed the topic, thank you! 🙏 A lot of aspiring composers/orchestrators need to hear this. Even if it feels self-evident that it is the know-how and not the tool so much, the temptation to go on a continuous shopping spree is lucrative but distracting for the process.
agree fully! - also as sound engineer - know your stuff! - thanks for your Video! - Did you record also in synchron stage?
So true! At first, when I read your title, I thought you would encourage us to seek a vintage U47 or something... LOL. I also believe that having too many options makes me less productive in the long run. Great video, thanks!
Great video, I love your channel ☺️ I think EWQLSO even has Wagner Tubas, when current and expensive libraries lack them. I still use this old but great library for orchestral sketches and notes without having to deal with dozens of articulations and complexity.
You need to give a try to the new opus player. Just for a review maybe. i know you are busy and you have all the libraries you need but for us your opinion matters. you dont offend anyone. You educate. And thank you for that!
Another great video with loads of valuable insights! I learn so much from you. Thanks a million!
Brilliant Anne!!!
Thank you, great points here.
So good! Thank you for this! I'm not classically trained, so it's refreshing to hear someone more advanced than me, so out loud what I've been thinking and feeling. Also, more sample libraries and VST instruments can sometimes translate into less work and output because you're constantly wasting time "searching" for the right library or instrument to use. I was far more prolific in writing music when all I had was one synthesizer with a built in sequencing workstation and just 16 midi channels...so I've been forcing myself to go back to those restraints. Also...between EW, Spitfire and Cinesamples...gotta say...LOVE Cinesamples the most, but that's just me. As you point out in your video...it matters more what you do with the samples then the samples themselves.
Thank you again, and LOVE your content!!
I love your channel, discovered recently.
And It's always realy delightfull, honnestly, to hear about the good and less good thing from the past, the 80s or the 90,s from someone who could have the age to be my daughter. I'm an old gear too, actulaly. 😃
And my old Atari, my old EPS, old Akais, with the external scsi CD rom players for the libraries on CDs. Well, to honnest I dont use the Akais or the Atari anymore but the EPS.... Well, sometimes I dig into it and my floppy case to find old sounds and resample them InTheBox
My first orchestral library was EWQL Orchestra Silver in the kompakt player. Yeah that old. But got my first TV placements with that library.
The fact that most people can't even recognize an older library by its sound speaks a lot. I guess it's also because most of them are probably younger so didn't have to work with the old libraries.
As you say, knowing your gear and trying to get the most out of it before going to get the next shiny overexpansive shit because of... Reasons... Is the most important here.
I started back in 2009 and worked my ass off with the Complete Composer Collection from East West, a big fat investment I made back then and I NEEDED to know how to make it sound good.
Even today when I listen to some of my older mockups, I believe it's still decent and kinda relevant even if I can get WAYYYYYYY better mockups today with my current knowledge on how to create a proper mockup, orchestrating, programming and mixing skills(which are still not where I want to be. Especially when it comes to mixing).
I think that all the subscription bullshit is practical for younger composers but also leads to more laziness.
Investing a good amount of money always forces you to work more in depth on this investment. It goes that way with cheap courses(or torrents for example), cheap subscription models with way too many products etc...
Very interesting video as usual!