The crack in the door is actually the protection for the door when u open it. The protection pops out so the end of the door is protected against walls and stuff :)
A stiffer rear motor mount is enough to reduce the torque steer of a tuned ST to less than untuned. My 2016 ST2 has about the same mileage, upgraded intercooler, airbox/filter, upgraded recirc valve, short shift arm and a remote tune by edge autosport (tuned for drivability and longevity, as it is my daily). With the winter package (heated front screen, heated steering wheel) it is the best car I've owned. One should also note that these are exceptionally reliable and robust (except for the paint) compared to everything Ford produces nowadays.
They always lie about power. Because they aren't able to compete with other manufacturers, they pretend that they are on par by exaggerating their power figures. I'm glad they are on the verge of bankruptcy now.
I have a Fiesta, but the rear motor mount really did help with the wheel hop. I still get wheelspin on a hard launch, but it's a lot smoother and doesn't hop.
Got mine ST3 Mk3 FL, full bolts-on with a stock turbo, tuned by Alan from Edge Autosport. 268 WHP and 480 nm, this car is such a blast and so much fun to drive! I believe I will switch it only for GR-hot hatches from Toyota 😁
Got stock 2014 pre lift in station wagon, did 259 km/h (GPS) on shell`s racing 100 octane . In my honest opinion there is absolutely no point to tune this engine without installing LSD. And I agree, those leather Recaros (ST-3 layout) are perfect compromise between sport and comfort.
Absolutely. I have the powerflex (fast road version) and it's one of the best mods, if not the best, for its money. Next is the intercooler, then a (custom!) tune, then maybe a short shift arm (but only because it doesn't cost much. If the shifter bushings are worn, shifting into first may get harder). THinking about a 200 cell downpipe but with TÜV/approval they are ~1500€... that's a lot of fuel and fun I could have
Torque steer is one of the most misunderstood issues with front wheel drive. True torque steer is the notion of the car always wanting to turn to one direct due to the torque of the engine as it spins... usually to the left in my experience. True torque is 100% always in the same direction leading you to steer in the opposite direction. You can recognise it as it slowly builds up leading to you feeding in more steering as the torque increases as the engine torque increases during acceleration. IN a Turbo car however, when the torques can come on very suddenly, it can be quite alarming how quick the car always ants to pull in that one direction. When you feel the front end scrambling from side to side that many people label as torques steer, you are actually experience traction steer from either the right or left front wheel... which ever is obtaining the best traction. Traction steer is the amount of traction differs from front left to the front right or vice versa... and hence the car can be pulled in both directions in quick succession. This is essentially the same as the back end of a car sliding out when one wheel loses traction in rear wheel drive car. All modern hot hatches no longer suffer from old fashioned torque steer. Mots have a good LSD up front but you can still get that feeling of the car wanting to dodge a bit left and right as traction under the front wheels changes. Of course, with modern computer systems and electronic LSD's... that feeling can also be dialled down a bit. In all old front wheel drive car, which has been modified with say a turbo... it is possibly to experience both genuine torques steer because of the old suspension, but also feel traction steer as well... they are a handful to deal with.
I have one, with stock tune but this is a light version without leather, speedlimiter, manual A/C, light rims, no options apart from sync2 and yellow paint. With less than 1400kg with fuel and me inboard, it suits the car better than 1500kg full gadgets and a tune.
@@cellandavies-harding4662 My previous car was a fiesta ST182. The focus ST is much faster in straight line, you really feel the extra torque, it is also more confortable, ofc more room, it feels more like a GT but still nimble enough for some countryroad fun. You need 25% more fuel than the fiesta (+2L/100km for me). Overall i don't regret my fiesta at all
@@lordofkiwi5144 I always liked the looks of the focus over the fiesta and I think they sound decent definitely louder than the fiestas 1.6. Only concern for me is that the 2.0 in the focus seems to have a lot of issues compared to the 1.6 in the fiesta
@@cellandavies-harding4662 Yeah i like it too but only the 2014-2017, the midlife redesign was very well done by Ford. The sound is OK with stock exhaust, louder than expected, a pleasant surprise. I did 100.000km no issues so far, i change the oil every 9000km + normal maintenance.
wheel hop is not torque steer and a limited slip diff will not solve wheel hop. In fact a lsd will make the front end even more alive and tricky if you ask me. This is from Fiesta ST mk8 M260 expierince. Quite a handfull but boy it gives you smiles per gallon
@@skylinedrag That's quite a lot less than what is stated, what seems to be the issue? Mk3 ST doesn't like octane95 fuel much and produce at least 10hp more with 98, maybe those 2.3 produce much less with 95,
I've never liked the way the MK3 looks and sounds. The MK2 Focus ST was better in most aspects with its glorious volvo unit and good looks. With mods its still slower than a Megane 275RS and Astra GTC VXR
It's because Americans can't build engines. Ford was never able to keep up with other manufacturers in terms of driving performance. I've never seen a Ford model that matched the factory claims. I talked to a guy who owns a dyno. The models he tested so far always had about 15-20% less of the claimed power output. The EcoBoost crap engines are the worst by far, followed by the naturally aspired 5.0 V8. Ford says it has 450hp, but in reality it's more like 380-390. It's slower than a BMW M240i on the Autobahn.
To be fair this one doesn't look much faster than mine and it's stock... Those engines really need a turbo upgrade to shine, the stock one is too small and power dies out after 5500rpm.
@@lordofkiwi5144probably because of the map probably be better going for a custom such as msd or laird performance as mountune ain’t the best map really
The measurement of 100-200 km/h is completely wrong. You drive onto the highway and briefly lift the accelerator (because of the SUV) and then step on the accelerator again. Accelerating fully looks different and would probably have improved the time somewhat. Nevertheless, it definitely doesn't work well for the alleged 280 HP.
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The crack in the door is actually the protection for the door when u open it. The protection pops out so the end of the door is protected against walls and stuff :)
I would say that is only for RS not ST. At least I did not have it on my ST
@@tommida1 i drive a ST mark 3.5 station and it has this option, dont think it is standard
@peter71001 I drive a station from 2013 and being the st3 it has it as standard
A stiffer rear motor mount is enough to reduce the torque steer of a tuned ST to less than untuned.
My 2016 ST2 has about the same mileage, upgraded intercooler, airbox/filter, upgraded recirc valve, short shift arm and a remote tune by edge autosport (tuned for drivability and longevity, as it is my daily).
With the winter package (heated front screen, heated steering wheel) it is the best car I've owned.
One should also note that these are exceptionally reliable and robust (except for the paint) compared to everything Ford produces nowadays.
Was my first car ten years or so ago, watching this to reminisce
Me too bro, I actually still have it
Those wheels dont suit the car.
Agree
It's ok to disagree on other people's taste, some people love it and some people hate it
@@Mamin28490wheels are gine just not right size
More suited to a Merc imo
At least they look good for owner, so i don't see a problem.
Thank you so much Max and AutoToNL for this review l have been waiting for a mk3 St.
Those sheep's in the background are the cherry on top
Oh my God wow l have been waiting for a St wow thank you thank you so much.
Now you need to drive a fiesta ST back to back after this. I absolutely love my stage 1 tuned Fiesta ST.
have it and love it!
When Ford don't lie about power;-)
They always lie about power. Because they aren't able to compete with other manufacturers, they pretend that they are on par by exaggerating their power figures. I'm glad they are on the verge of bankruptcy now.
I have a Fiesta, but the rear motor mount really did help with the wheel hop. I still get wheelspin on a hard launch, but it's a lot smoother and doesn't hop.
Very fun car to drive.
I had a stage one and mine used to boost way more than half way on the gauge. Used to stick to the top.
Got mine ST3 Mk3 FL, full bolts-on with a stock turbo, tuned by Alan from Edge Autosport. 268 WHP and 480 nm, this car is such a blast and so much fun to drive! I believe I will switch it only for GR-hot hatches from Toyota 😁
The supercharger kits are starting to emerge for those Toyotas 🤤
What is the 0-60
I like the fact you can get both previous gen and a new gen Focus ST as a wagon.
Got stock 2014 pre lift in station wagon, did 259 km/h (GPS) on shell`s racing 100 octane . In my honest opinion there is absolutely no point to tune this engine without installing LSD. And I agree, those leather Recaros (ST-3 layout) are perfect compromise between sport and comfort.
I had the estate version in the same colour ST3. Wish I kept it - can’t get that colour at all on Autotrader
The owner must get a rear-engine mount like the one Cobb makes. It will cure that wheel hopping
Absolutely. I have the powerflex (fast road version) and it's one of the best mods, if not the best, for its money. Next is the intercooler, then a (custom!) tune, then maybe a short shift arm (but only because it doesn't cost much. If the shifter bushings are worn, shifting into first may get harder).
THinking about a 200 cell downpipe but with TÜV/approval they are ~1500€... that's a lot of fuel and fun I could have
@@nitroventDefinitely the intercooler! its one of the biggest disadvantages of the ST Mk3, upgrading it absolutely unlocks its potential
@@tshegomashego3493 yeah. I have a stage 2 airtec intercooler. Maybe my phrasing was not optimal. Only thing missing is the downpipe.
True! Cobb is a nice soft feel while others (Like us) make a much stiffer race-feel version.
I had the TDCi version. It was great, apart from the heavy engine causing porpoising. It did sound like a tractor at autobahn speed, but still good.
Torque steer you get used to.
Wheel hop is a problem with all ford focus.
There are solutions for these too! Bracing helps this chassis a TON.
Beaut'!❤
Torque steer is fine. Everything fwd had it back in the day.
It's better with less though! Make it stiffer!
very nice car!
Such a sensual car
Torque steer is one of the most misunderstood issues with front wheel drive.
True torque steer is the notion of the car always wanting to turn to one direct due to the torque of the engine as it spins... usually to the left in my experience. True torque is 100% always in the same direction leading you to steer in the opposite direction. You can recognise it as it slowly builds up leading to you feeding in more steering as the torque increases as the engine torque increases during acceleration. IN a Turbo car however, when the torques can come on very suddenly, it can be quite alarming how quick the car always ants to pull in that one direction.
When you feel the front end scrambling from side to side that many people label as torques steer, you are actually experience traction steer from either the right or left front wheel... which ever is obtaining the best traction.
Traction steer is the amount of traction differs from front left to the front right or vice versa... and hence the car can be pulled in both directions in quick succession.
This is essentially the same as the back end of a car sliding out when one wheel loses traction in rear wheel drive car.
All modern hot hatches no longer suffer from old fashioned torque steer. Mots have a good LSD up front but you can still get that feeling of the car wanting to dodge a bit left and right as traction under the front wheels changes. Of course, with modern computer systems and electronic LSD's... that feeling can also be dialled down a bit.
In all old front wheel drive car, which has been modified with say a turbo... it is possibly to experience both genuine torques steer because of the old suspension, but also feel traction steer as well... they are a handful to deal with.
I love finding comment gems like this below a video. Very informative for someone who isn't intimately familiar with this, nor with FWD. Thank you!
We make some bolt-on products that help greatly reduce torque steer and wheel-hop. This chassis benefits tremendously from bracing!
I have one, with stock tune but this is a light version without leather, speedlimiter, manual A/C, light rims, no options apart from sync2 and yellow paint.
With less than 1400kg with fuel and me inboard, it suits the car better than 1500kg full gadgets and a tune.
How would you explain the car I got a fiesta st and looking at getting into something else
@@cellandavies-harding4662 My previous car was a fiesta ST182. The focus ST is much faster in straight line, you really feel the extra torque, it is also more confortable, ofc more room, it feels more like a GT but still nimble enough for some countryroad fun. You need 25% more fuel than the fiesta (+2L/100km for me). Overall i don't regret my fiesta at all
@@lordofkiwi5144 I always liked the looks of the focus over the fiesta and I think they sound decent definitely louder than the fiestas 1.6. Only concern for me is that the 2.0 in the focus seems to have a lot of issues compared to the 1.6 in the fiesta
@@cellandavies-harding4662 Yeah i like it too but only the 2014-2017, the midlife redesign was very well done by Ford. The sound is OK with stock exhaust, louder than expected, a pleasant surprise. I did 100.000km no issues so far, i change the oil every 9000km + normal maintenance.
Sometimes is 280hp, sometimes is 220hp or less
18 sec ago is crazy
Yeah
oh well indeed when i get a family ik what im buying hahah
1:11 put the stick on, its a fordson
what a car i love it, but the Mk2 is the best🙌
Gear leaver makes it look like a child’s toy….🤢
wheel hop is not torque steer and a limited slip diff will not solve wheel hop. In fact a lsd will make the front end even more alive and tricky if you ask me. This is from Fiesta ST mk8 M260 expierince. Quite a handfull but boy it gives you smiles per gallon
Big facts, although the Fiesta chassis amplifies these issues even more!
Hermoso
Generated sound?
Yes it’s pumped in. With these it depends on the year. Some have a physical symposer, later cars are through the stereo
Some of them have a tube thing that goes to the intake to bring sound into the cabin.
I don't know what years have that and which ones use the radio.
@@volvo09 yea a symposer.
Many parts manufacturers produce a symposer delete to remedy this odd decision Ford made. Us included!
Ben benieuwd, staat op mijn auto als mogelijke kandidaat voor nieuwe auto.
HI :)
Nice to see 280HP in a Focus - something that owners of the new 2024 model cannot get...although they pay for it
Why is that? Isnt it the same engine?
@@odin5188 new one has 2.3 liter engine.
@@vvevvevvvv Oh so basically a detuned spec of the Focus RS and Ecoboost Mustang engine?
@@odin5188 It is 2.3l, but owners submitt issues with lack of power. Cars usually have between 200-245HP
@@skylinedrag That's quite a lot less than what is stated, what seems to be the issue?
Mk3 ST doesn't like octane95 fuel much and produce at least 10hp more with 98, maybe those 2.3 produce much less with 95,
just me or does it only have 360p quality?
idk but sometimes it looks like a fiesta 🗿
looks so much slower than a golf 6 gti with a stahe 1 with 260 hp. Especially after 200, after 230 looks really slow. I loved the ST's but damn...
Probably heat soak considering they have shit intercoolers and mountune maps aren’t that great
Also these engines run pretty hot as well
I've never liked the way the MK3 looks and sounds. The MK2 Focus ST was better in most aspects with its glorious volvo unit and good looks. With mods its still slower than a Megane 275RS and Astra GTC VXR
👌
100-200 in 16+ seconds is a bit slow for 280hp. But Fords always underperform. I wonder why that is.
It's because Americans can't build engines. Ford was never able to keep up with other manufacturers in terms of driving performance. I've never seen a Ford model that matched the factory claims. I talked to a guy who owns a dyno. The models he tested so far always had about 15-20% less of the claimed power output. The EcoBoost crap engines are the worst by far, followed by the naturally aspired 5.0 V8. Ford says it has 450hp, but in reality it's more like 380-390. It's slower than a BMW M240i on the Autobahn.
The 5.0 coyote is a great engine❤
To be fair this one doesn't look much faster than mine and it's stock... Those engines really need a turbo upgrade to shine, the stock one is too small and power dies out after 5500rpm.
@@lordofkiwi5144probably because of the map probably be better going for a custom such as msd or laird performance as mountune ain’t the best map really
The measurement of 100-200 km/h is completely wrong. You drive onto the highway and briefly lift the accelerator (because of the SUV) and then step on the accelerator again. Accelerating fully looks different and would probably have improved the time somewhat. Nevertheless, it definitely doesn't work well for the alleged 280 HP.
Turn the AC off for godsake
First like
3:52 driving at 87km/h next to cyclist?
He was on the other lane dude, just enough safe space for him
Fastess haha xd
Just an ordinary car, nothing special. Ford cars 👎( sorry for the owners )
One of the Most successful brand in racing 😜