I was going south on the M6 a week ago and stopped at a services for a leak. As I walked past the EV charging points I saw a guy just unplugging his. I asked him ' if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to charge that?' He said £59.60. I asked how far will it go before you have to charge it again? He said 220 miles, if it doesn't rain. My journey was 450 miles and I did it on £40 worth of diesel. And I didn't have to spend two hours drinking Starbucks waiting for it to charge. It seems that EVs are good for ladies to go to the supermarket shopping, provided they can be recharged overnight at home but for any serious motoring they are totally inadequate.
Your car engine has had over 100 years of development, only in the last 30 years ( fuel injection in particular) has the efficiency and reliability has improved. Ev's are still in the nappy stage. sure the charging is a bit crap but do you think ICE engines had servos everywhere when they were in the early stages?
They're really good for what they were used for in the 1920s. Short trips around town. A few miles for groceries or picking the kids up from school. On long runs like I do to work here in Australia, 1000kms per week (you read right), even hybrids aren't any more economical than a traditional engine. I personally have a factory built LPG ONLY car with an engine redesigned to suit (I get a green valve cover because it's so green!). It's worth it because cost per mile on LPG is about half that of petrol. They're almost entirely former company vehicles as mine was, but it is hard to get a sedan while the utes are damn near everywhere because companies buy them new.
Back in 2010 before I retired, the company I worked for were trying to be at the forefront of the "Green" bollocks. We normally were equipped with standard long wheel base, high roofed, diesel Transit vans fitted out as mobile engineering workshops. They were carrying just under their maximum payload of nearly 2.25 tons. As I only had a year or so to go before retirement, I was "volunteered" to trial a fully electric transit that was meant to replace my standard van. Bollock dropped No. 1, it could only carry at most 750Kg due to the weight of its battery, so most of the tools and kit normally carried had to be taken out, and when eventually a job was arrived at, the tools needed were usually back at the depot. Bollock dropped No.2. The developers of the EV system had convinced those responsible for taking the thing onboard that it had a range of at least 80 miles under full load......absolute crap.! The best I ever got out of it was about 38 miles, and that was moving it like a scene out of "Driving Miss Daisy". Bollock dropped No 3. The system developers then came up with the idea of carrying a 6.5Kva generator in the back so as to plug the van in to charge from whilst we were on site. The idea being to extend the range we could cover, but at the cost of having to leave even more tools and kit behind due to its weight. Nor could I carry my normal 2nd safety person with me, so he had to follow in a small fiesta type car. Bollock dropped No.4. The load put onto the mains charging system was 7.5Kva, so the generator couldn't manage to charge the van without the breaker tripping out from overload after 30 minutes. A generator sufficient for the load required was even heavier, and could not be lifted by 2 men. So the range was extended by at least 6 miles. Given that a lot of our jobs were around 35 miles away from our depot, there was no way I could get to a job, and get back again. Bollock dropped No.5 The firm now had to hire a flatbed recovery lorry and driver, to give me any chance of being back at our depot before a midnight embargo on overtime came into force. E.V vehicles,? as far as I'm concerned you can stick them where the sun don't shine. Totally useless.!
I wouldn't advise that.😮 Not unless you want to have a subtext of This car driver has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and has very obviously fallen hook line and sinker for someone's propaganda! 😂😂😂
You get lithium from sea water which they use. You're thinking of cadmium. Bet you didn't care about "the children" when you used AA etc batteries at home. Only now do you care because EVs used to use it before 2010.
Also as Im sure you know, an ev cant jumpstart another car as far as I can make out. There could be enough power to do it but the EVs dont have the connections according to my friend.
@Ln-cq8zu An EV could potentially start another car, as most of them have a lead acid 12v battery. On the other hand, it could also charge the battery of an ice car. The latest EV's have what is termed V2L, which stands for Vehicle to Load. Even Kia / Hyundai have a 240v AC socket inside the car.
You could always carry a petrol driven generator and a library book. Read the book whilst waiting for the EV to charge. If you parked on a petrol station forecourt whilst all this is going on you could count how many ICE cars have filled up in the time it takes to charge your EV.
And then there are those that think oil and gas are infinite resources and climate change is made up by lizard people in a plot to take over this fine flat earth, and they vote for Trump or Reform UK.
@@Rexbilly9819Well actually Labour/Tory/liberals/ Green all the same Uniparty. The original legislation was brought in by the Tories and backed by the other 3 parties.
I had an ex AA MK3 1.6 diesel escort van. The wife and I used to go " puddle hopping" flat out through massive road lakes generated by heavy rain, shocking other drivers timidly wading through. Loadsa fun !
The people that I have spoken to here in Canada that own EVs say that they are very happy with them, they find them cheap to run, quick to charge and don't have problems in -30 degree temperatures during winter. They are obviously embarrassed to tell the truth just like they say they don't vote for Trudeau's Liberals.
Might be cheap to charge in Canada where you have much lower energy bills as you have a lot of hydro, but not in the UK where our electricity costs are the highest in Europe!
So why oh why are people and companies buying EV's ? The post office, mitre cleaning, etc etc and all you see is their staff doing is standing around in groups getting paid whilst the van's are charging !!! How much is it costing companies for loss of productivity and the depreciation?
Swiss Post has been using BEVs for decades on their inner city routes. It's typically a open cab trike with an additional trailer. they charge overnight at the depot where they are loaded with post, and the batteries last for the route (not very long, but plenty of houses). Domino's here also uses BEVs. 45kph scooters with a top case. Quicker through rush hour traffic than a car. And if it's too far for the battery to reach, the pizza would be cold anyway.
@@tims9434 An electric pushbike that did 25-30mph would have been ideal for my commute, but that would make it a motorbike so I bought a petrol scooter instead. Electric scooters are illegal unless the city are hiring them out, how does that work?
My step dad has a Skoda EV, he wanted an EV for awhile now and got it as a company car. It doesn't leave the driveway much, says he doesn't need to use it as much cause he's mostly work at home but he does need to travel to areas around the UK which could also mean staying in hotels. When I asked my mum she said he waited 4 hours to charge it while out doing a survey, he wasn't happy. So when he got home it was 11 at night and he doesn't like to be up past 8pm so he went straight to bed to be up at 4am and had no dinner.
Hybrid, with the i.c.e. engine powering 2 of the 4 wheels, electric motors helping/powering the other wheels, no unnecessary bells and whistles, and ADORABLE. Is that to much to ask? Most if not all car companies, "Yes". My brain either screams in a pillow or, exits body and goes of screaming into the middle of the day. Side bar. Me, "sorry if this is a bit much, but I didn't realize I felt this way till after I finished. Have a nice day in your gas/petrol powered car."
@user-ug4lt3yr5w I have no problem with Hibrids. They are the working alternative to a net zero. They are functional and economically efficient. My issue is with EV's. As a Fully Qualified Electrical Engineer I know the impracaticabilities of EV's. I have 2 cars, my worked HSV, 655bhp V8, and my Fiat 500 0.9lt Daly. I am not stupid to what will eventually happen. But I do like driving a performance vehicle!
@user-ug4lt3yr5w As to your second reply... I bought my HSV 4 years ago for $30K. Over the last 4 years I have invested another $30K. I could sell my Commadore for over $100K+, I have had an offer for $130K for it. Find me an EV that that works for. P.S. I have no intention of selling my pride and joy!
What's puzzling is why these idiotic managers in these car manufacturing companies think that, apart from a few idiots, the general public is going to embrace this garbage... Who the hell wants to go hunting and begging to allow their EV to be connected to charge for hours?.....
Keep making these exception videos Geoff. I have shared them in the past to Facebook, only to be told by people, 'oh this bloke is making it all up, to get more views!', hhhhmmmmm I bet their reconsidering their opinion of you now, as you were bang on the money! - Jess.
Actually your third off is about as much as the largest battery variant costs in Germany. So either he or the article seem to je full of shit. I honestly couldn’t tell who
@@MaticTheProto The problem is that car and van manufacturers have regional pricing. What we get in the UK is probably 30% to 50% cheaper if made in the USA for instance. The same could well be the same for the van maker.
Just watched this video. After viewing, for fun I went onto ebay and selected a random Fisker Ocean, found one BRAND NEW, for sale there @ £26000, REPEAT. BRAND NEW. Copied the details into the biggest crooks in town, “ we buy any car”……. Price offered …£150. Surely the wheels are worth more then you could put them on a PROPER car!!!!! Unbelievable.
7:36 “that would be fun, a REAL virus”. I laughed out loud at that one. Surprised that didn’t get cut out by the propagandists. They probably missed it.
Jesus, £10 per mile depreciation! Add in the cost of charging the EV and all other motoring costs, insurance, etc….. how can anyone afford the price per mile of using EV vehicles. Great post Geoff - I concur on the corporate car schemes - I no longer have a corporate car because I can’t subscribe to the ignorance of how polluting these cars are to make and their impact on the environment in 10-15 years time (if not sooner because no-one is buying them).
My boss leased a Renault Megane electric vehicle. That was 8 months ago, so far he has only driven it for 2 days of that period. Someone pulled out in front of him at a junction, he collided with the car at a very low speed, but it cracked his bumper and damaged a body support strut. Renault UK dont carry these parts 'yet' so it cant be repaired without sending it to France which the dealer/insurance company refuse to do, so in the meantime he drives his courtesy car BMW 1 series M sport. On another note I once made a journey from Somerset to Lancashire with my brother in his Tesla - it cost him £179 in charge costs and the journey took 6 hours. I recently drove my Merc A Class 200d on the same journey and return for less than £70 and it took me just over 4 hours, each way ! Its still a long way off for me to take the plunge.
Why I make the same run in 4 hours and I don't have to stop to charge with my Tesla? Is your bro stupid? Why it costs me only £40 to charge for 30 minutes at the destination, while I do my work and it's enough to return? Did he ask you to give him money? To share the expenses? LOL!!!!!
That charge cost can't be right. Even at full commercial power prices you're spending only 70% of the fuel costs. Charge costs tend to be € 0,50 - 0,76 per Khw. For your numbers to be right, power prices in the UK would need to be somewhere 5 pounds per kwh.
@@SVEVelsen LIE-berals and their Woke pals DO ENJOY PUTTING OUT FAKE NEWS about electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In related news- HYPOCRITE LIE-berals NEVER COUNT THE COST OF OUR TIME while we wait for the electric TOY car to finally charge up!!!!!!!!!!
And paint protection, upholstery protection, cargo barrier, extended warranty (in fine print.. 'on the fuel tank, dpf, filter housings, fuel injectors, pump, clutch and sunroof) another six grand...
Stealership, I laugh at people who call car dealers thieves, the only reason they take advantage of you is because you let them, Just walk away from a dealer that's taking advantage of you, its simple, if more people did that these thieves would change their tune or go out of business.
@@affieuk It won't be compatible. The floor is raised to accommodate the battery, the drive system and brakes are unique to EV, the vehicles electronics will not be compatible including dash, steering system, HVAC and immobiliser etc. Then there are all the other things, like BCM, lighting, fuel tank, plumbing, cooling, exhaust... the list goes on. Then try to register and insure it.
Neighbour bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5 new in 2022 for £50k. Done 6,000 miles since then. No dealers now want it as a trade-in, WBAC have offered £12k for it. £6.33 per mile excluding charging and servicing costs.
I'm thinking of investing in a proper old milk float. No heater, almost no suspension, flat load space, single seat, three wheels, no doors top speed 20MPH sounds fantastic to me. Big improvement over most EV's.
That poor bloke who had too rescue his grandchild from the burning Volvo had my ptsd from my burns going nuts last night two nightmares in one night that's about my monthly amount now in one night it was savage!
To be fair, Vauxhall Zafiras used to be the poster child for car fires, almost killing someone in a similar way. Then IIRC it was land rovers. Now its various EVs. Fact is, all vehicles have hot bits that can Ignite. EVs just have a lot more exploding battery on board.
Cloud makers being the Anti EV activists? Genuinely I don’t understand what we are all so upset about? I have researched most of what the professionals are saying about the improvements to human health and environmental improvements are for going EV. Anti EV Car enthusiasts you can enjoy your new petrol or diesel 2035 model car for as long as you keep them alive. Usually 150,000 before being scrapped. Most older evs with older technology are lasting well over 300,000 miles and even then the battery gets removed and becomes static battery storage for homes, businesses, factories and public grid storage. Then after another 20+ years after being used for battery storage they can be recycled. All modern cars have so much technology and parts in them due to safety regulations that why not take away as many moving parts it takes to make a car by going EV which removes a huge amount of moving parts that could fail compared to ICE.
@@HunkumSpunkum > The truth is uncomfortable isn't it. The truth that they are just condensation trails is certainly uncomfortable for the swivel-eyed conspiracy fantasy fckwits who think they are something else, but then they only have themselves to blame - they choose to believe a pile of lies for which there is zero evidence - nobody forces them to let go of reality.
I believe ALL new vehicles will be available only to Lease whether commercial or private in the not too distant future. Remember, you will OWN nothing and be happy (not). Even your home, its furnishings, your clothes and your vehicle (if you are allowed one) will be rented from the big corporations. You will never actually own anything.
@@christopherfitzgerald774never had a car payment in entire life. I'm 53. Just keep old ones running great until tires fall off. I invest the saving of no car payment and lower Insurance since I never need full coverage.
Can I interject? How exactly does leasing a EV every 12 months save the planet? An old gas car thats 25+ years old and still functioning has done far more to save the planet than buying a new EV every 12 months. And WHY are corporations getting a vehicle tax break paid for by taxpayers??? that should only be for private buyers.
Surely the individuals controlling the EV policy dont want us to have cars, so, they want them to be as expensive as possible. And to take all our money off us through depreciation. All normal in this day and age.
A friend was on the highway up North when a snow/ice storm stopped all traffic for miles. People would run their gasoline engines to stay warm, and my friend would use the car's electric heater. By the next evening the Highway Dept. sent out a fuel truck to fill up the tanks of cars that were running low, but no power for the EV's. He ran out of power that night and nearly froze. In the morning he hitched a ride with the Highway Dept. truck and went home. When they finally cleared the snow, his car was blocking the road so they pushed it off into the ditch with one of their plows. He sold it shortly thereafter.
Also when the battery is colder then +0c (below freezing) the EV`s battery can not take a charge, at all... It has to be heated up to more then freezing.
£10 per mile depreciation.....good grief Charlie Brown.....my '75 BMW E3 has got 98,000 miles on it and goes UP in value every year and became I've owned it for 43 years , I'm saving the planet too 😊
£88,000 for an electric Mercedes Sprinter van that will get you about a hundred miles range when fully loaded and be a rusty heap within two years. Definitely the bargain of the century!! 😵💫😂
Very good point. What is the range of these vans (unloaded/loaded) in the real world? Would be good to hear from electric van drivers on their experiences on a daily basis. In fact Geoff could do a whole video on electric vans because you never hear about them?!!?!
@@TheKARMMARK Artisan Electric on here bought a brand new EV VW Transporter, first winter he could not even demist the screen or turn the heating on as his range showed sixty miles and that was not close to being fully loaded.
@@TheKARMMARK Not sure on the loaded weight but a mate said going from Oxford to Tamworth used 80% of the vans battery. He had to charge for a short while before getting to the first drop off. And a longer charge to get back to Oxford after he had finished. Less drops and 3 hours longer than the previous diesel van.
Look at the used car market. At least here in Germany you can clearly see which cars/vans the people want. You can get more money for a clapped out 2009 Euro5 Sprinter van with 400,000 km than for a 2015 Sprinter with the AdBlue nightmare and 250,000km. That says it all.
The reason these chargers only work at 20% (or less) capacity in places like service stations is that the sites don't have enough electrical capacity on the site itself so they can have installed multiple chargers but the available power has to be shared equally between them. No matter who installs the chargers. But it does mean they meet any obligations to have x number of chargers on site.
I've calculated the running costs on my 11 year old Golf diesel at 10p per mile. About £900 annually on my mileage. At this age, it doesn't really depreciate anymore. Road tax 20 quid/year. Insurance 280 quid.
@@SteveT3D Depends on the year, I think they increase again from 2016/2017? Our towcar is 9 years old and we would normally have swapped it by now but it's a keeper I think.
@richardwareing8298 > I can see a beautiful little cloud in between the chemtrails today,so happy If you think you can see chemtrails you should seek medical attention, or at the very least go to SpecSavers, as you are seeing things - they don't exist.
Coffee sales (and prices) will go up. No way will there be enough charge facilities if everyone had an EV. It seems the working class is being forced off the roads, how the hell could you afford to buy, hire even, an EV??
Economy of scale. If there are a lot of cars being produced, the unit price decreases. If everyone has an EV they will be as cheap as chips, just not the chips used to control them. Of course, there will not be enough electric in the country to charge them all. Especially if the idiots in the Labour government get their way and we all have to rely on wind generated electric. Might as well put a sail on a Lada.
Actually in Sydney the car hire company I use was hiring out a Kia EV6 (about $70,000 to buy) for less than an MG3 (About $20,000 to buy). And yet I decided against the EV because I had a couple of 500km trips to do.
If depreciation is high then that is good for opening up the second hand market. The first computers were very expensive as were the first videos. Prices for new technology falls over time.
@@sistersledge9873 There is a reason that depreciation is high on EV's, a second hand EV will be worth far less when the second owner disposes of it, its not a computer with a large memory its a car with a used battery, you are comparing potatoes with Ice cream.
@@sistersledge9873 I do agree that prices for technology falls over time, but its going to take decades not months, my first VCR was $1000 and my first single disc CD player was $500, today they are worth nothing.
Hey Geoff...... Im not a car man....not bothered about them and never have been.....always bikes. BUT....... Im addicted to your channel as you often talk sense andyou are entertaining........so thanks for the content.....who buys these EV's?
Companies that is forced to due to government policy and idiots that have no idea of all the disadvantages of EV`s (like the battery have to be warmer then freezing temperature to take a charge),.
The head of Fiat states, "Fiat will reintroduce a petrol-engined 500 city car in the next two years due to a lack of demand for electric vehicles" Also Audi have some interesting news coming out about the stopping of manufacturing of one of their electric range cars ....
Yes, the Audi Q8 etron is discontinued. It was their first EV and is quite long in the tooth by now. Lots of quality issues, terrible software and 400V while the other top Audi EVs have 800V.
@@VolkerHett Yeah I know, and for some bizzare reason they took action there but doubled down and name/model changed the A5 to be an A4 successor in ICE form and A4 to be EV and anything that is even numbered (which is a mistake) I wonder when they will come to their senses to pull the pin on that crazy plan. (and I don't mean go closing factories we need those for ICE cars lol)
Geoff, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned tax payers money ( ie.from most of us ) subsidises the purchase of these things at massively inflated prices. Its the classic way of transferring OUR money straight into the pockets of shareholders and that I'm afraid just about sums up this whole disastrous scenario..
Love your content Geoff , I drive a a VW Golf GTI ❤ and a Golf Alltrack and they can take their EV's and stick them where the sun don't shine baby ... I live in Canada where the winters are cold so EVs don't cut it . Long live ICE automobiles ...😊
Nice to hear a voice of reason and sanity about EVs. They have there place in transport strategies but they are not and will not be in the foreseeable future the future of motoring or road transport. Keep it up Geof 👍🏻
Talking about spiders, I was working on my eldest blokes car (Skoda) and was laying on my creeper in the garage when I felt a sting on my foot. It took a week or so but the area became infected and swollen. I went to the old Doc's he had a look and it turned out to be a White Tail Spider bite. He prescribed some tablets that you have to take in reducing dosage over a couple of weeks. They say that the site of the bite can fester again over years. Welcome to the friendly spiders of Australia.
If you ever visit the electric avenue stand they have is actually powered by diesel. Behind the stand there is a huge diesel genset generator out the back helping charge the eco hypocrisy cars.
@@bentullett6068 But that's hidden from sight if not noise and smell so it doesn't count. Your supposed to have your gaze fixed at the tiny fake solar panel they claim will run your house for a year even at night. :)
Can anyone remember licking the ends of batteries when they were nearly flat to get the last out of them 🤔 people with EV’s should try this method to get their EV going again 😂
1:24 I'm a kitchen fitter. I once (only the once, mind) had a customer - who despite numerous and severe 'don't run this until tomorrow' warnings from me - ran a cycle on her new integrated washing machine without removing the transit bolts. It wrecked both units beside the machine, and flooded the kitchen because I still hadn't plumbed the waste.
I remember the first calculators red screens would only do 4 functions cost around £50 in 1976 now you could buy calculator from pound land. moral it costs dearly to be a guinea pig.
A close friend bought one of the earliest Fisker Ocean's for his Mrs. Multiple software failures later the car's for sale at £20,000 and absolutely nobody is bidding for it. Lost a fortune.
What is really silly about EV’s. The powers want us not to have diesel vehs, nearby where I live there are about 20 charging points for EV’s and nearby there is a a large fence hiding a large diesel generator providing the power to the charging points.
If I was told by an employer that a company car HAD to be an EV, I would decline and carry on using my own car and claiming mileage as and when. Wonder if any employee given such an ultimatum has successfully challenged it....?
I drove my KIA ev6 from Derbyshire to southern Italy. No range anxiety no charging problems, very smooth journey. Love my ev but you probably won't mention this.
Exactly the same here near Brecon. Clear blue sky until just after 8am then the trails, now the cloud...sun blocked. PS Where TF have all the bees and butterflies gone¿
Even though I don't always agree with everything you say, I think your a great chap, and I love listening to your channel. It heart warming to know we're all going down the toilet together. All the best 😊
😂🤣😂 Great job on the video Geoff. Thanks so much for sharing. Got to give it to the Tesla Cyber Urinal it seems to go from strength to strength or recall to recall which ever the case maybe. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I like your attitude. It's fresh to me. Open, Honest, I like it. Nothing but good vibes for you and your love ones. Keep it up, don't stop. you rock bro.
Just sold my lovely Jaguar XJS for £5500; bought it for £8500 11 years ago and have done approx 50K miles in it. It averaged about 25mpg so I used 2000 gallons of fuel. At an average cost of about £13000 in total (scary). Plus depreciation £16000 so approx 32p/mile. It was also despite common misconceptions utterly reliable
Lily from Austria said she liked her E bike very much but charged from solar panels from her shed roof. She also said her shed was detached from her house making it difficult for fire to spread. Ebike owners keep their spare battery in a amo box for safety.
Yes the Report most definitely pointed out there was a risk of fire. I think her point was she was mobile for free. She is a preper and so Explains how to survive with out what we expect to happen.
I ride a big heavy Dutch bicycle, the only batteries are in the automatic rear light If I feel tired, I stop and charge myself up in a nearby cafe or shop Simples
All is fine as long as you have sunny days. What happens when you're out of juice, in middle of nowhere and you get rain all next day? EVs aren't quite light to pedal without assist either... And yes, I own one (diy, front rear hub with 1kw constant each), but on prolonged situation, od ditch my ebike for 3/9 stock one.
Actually you are. I know a guy who drives a lot up here in Scotland and has been told that tat is all that is available next time he changes it. He drives for a living so, there's that.
The staff are complaining about the choice of have an EV or have an EV. I want a diesel thanks, we don't offer that... No but company x will and they are offering me more money as well here is my 2 weeks notice.
@@hamstirrer6882 - many have missed that. 😂. I did an ‘In Memoriam’ on FB to my mate Chris Peabody, who died in an EV fire. Got a fair few messages of condolence! 😳😀
My BEV (a VMAX R25) is now almost 2 years old. Main battery was already replaced as well as most of the electronics. Even though BEVangelists assured me that modern batteries would "last a decade" (which of course every Lithium battery user knows to be a false claim). Of course, there is no local dealer, so I either need to send it in or drive 150km to their headquarters. Roughly for every 10km I ride with my BEV, I have to drive 3km with my ICE car to pick it up when it has broken down or bring it to/from service.
Auto Trader have a RUclips video out. They ran battery checks on a 340,000 mile Tesla with its original battery. The battery would still hold 80% of its new capacity.
@@davecooper3238 so they found ONE Tesla where the battery lasted long. I'm sure I can find an old Nokia phone with a working lithium battery somewhere. On the other hand, I had a DOA power pack on my new Vive. It just isn't representative. Lithium batteries typically last several months to a few years. There's a reason they are often excluded from the warranty.
The son of one of my customers has a company EV. Visiting friends or family miles away, he woke in the middle of the night to a glow behind the curtains. His car was on fire and did £30,000 damage to the house.
Oh, Facebook are hiding the group in search. it's here facebook.com/groups/2333275880189834
Are they blocking posts from appearing on our feeds as well? I haven't seen any posts from Burnt EVs UK in my feed for ages!
Found that out when I tried to find it Geoff
@@BaronSloan yes the group has multiple behaviours strikes 😂
Maybe they promote objective sites first?
Top work matey - watching from Australia.
I was going south on the M6 a week ago and stopped at a services for a leak. As I walked past the EV charging points I saw a guy just unplugging his. I asked him ' if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to charge that?' He said £59.60. I asked how far will it go before you have to charge it again? He said 220 miles, if it doesn't rain. My journey was 450 miles and I did it on £40 worth of diesel. And I didn't have to spend two hours drinking Starbucks waiting for it to charge. It seems that EVs are good for ladies to go to the supermarket shopping, provided they can be recharged overnight at home but for any serious motoring they are totally inadequate.
So you did more than 70mpg?
Your car engine has had over 100 years of development, only in the last 30 years ( fuel injection in particular) has the efficiency and reliability has improved.
Ev's are still in the nappy stage. sure the charging is a bit crap but do you think ICE engines had servos everywhere when they were in the early stages?
Not for Long !
Filling up at a motorway services is always expensive
They're really good for what they were used for in the 1920s. Short trips around town. A few miles for groceries or picking the kids up from school. On long runs like I do to work here in Australia, 1000kms per week (you read right), even hybrids aren't any more economical than a traditional engine. I personally have a factory built LPG ONLY car with an engine redesigned to suit (I get a green valve cover because it's so green!). It's worth it because cost per mile on LPG is about half that of petrol. They're almost entirely former company vehicles as mine was, but it is hard to get a sedan while the utes are damn near everywhere because companies buy them new.
Back in 2010 before I retired, the company I worked for were trying to be at the forefront of the "Green" bollocks.
We normally were equipped with standard long wheel base, high roofed, diesel Transit vans fitted out as mobile engineering workshops. They were carrying just under their maximum payload of nearly 2.25 tons.
As I only had a year or so to go before retirement, I was "volunteered" to trial a fully electric transit that was meant to replace my standard van.
Bollock dropped No. 1,
it could only carry at most 750Kg due to the weight of its battery, so most of the tools and kit normally carried had to be taken out, and when eventually a job was arrived at, the tools needed were usually back at the depot.
Bollock dropped No.2.
The developers of the EV system had convinced those responsible for taking the thing onboard that it had a range of at least 80 miles under full load......absolute crap.! The best I ever got out of it was about 38 miles, and that was moving it like a scene out of "Driving Miss Daisy".
Bollock dropped No 3.
The system developers then came up with the idea of carrying a 6.5Kva generator in the back so as to plug the van in to charge from whilst we were on site. The idea being to extend the range we could cover, but at the cost of having to leave even more tools and kit behind due to its weight. Nor could I carry my normal 2nd safety person with me, so he had to follow in a small fiesta type car.
Bollock dropped No.4.
The load put onto the mains charging system was 7.5Kva, so the generator couldn't manage to charge the van without the breaker tripping out from overload after 30 minutes. A generator sufficient for the load required was even heavier, and could not be lifted by 2 men. So the range was extended by at least 6 miles. Given that a lot of our jobs were around 35 miles away from our depot, there was no way I could get to a job, and get back again.
Bollock dropped No.5
The firm now had to hire a flatbed recovery lorry and driver, to give me any chance of being back at our depot before a midnight embargo on overtime came into force.
E.V vehicles,? as far as I'm concerned you can stick them where the sun don't shine. Totally useless.!
Please tell me why this wasn’t foreseen by the makers ?
@@davidnash8586 they want your money and to look kind and sweet to the green nonces. It's that simple.
So you're not a fan of EV's? Welcome to the club. 😆👍
@@davidnash8586It wasn't the makers it was the stupid politicians going on the agenda the maker's had no alternative
Most interesting story and information. Thanks.
I recon that there will be another outbreak of obesity, but in EV drivers eating food whilst waiting for the car to charge.
🤣
I suspect the services on motorways will be making deals with the charging companies to make charging slower so the captives spend more money.😂
James may was right, for electric car owners there needs to be a pen at gas stations where they have a ballpit and really challenging sudoku.
I've got that but I haven't got the electric car!
Am I missing out?
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
😂😂😂👍
Bumper sticker idea " no 6 year old lithium miners were harmed during the construction of this vehicle "
I wouldn't advise that.😮
Not unless you want to have a subtext of
This car driver has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and has very obviously fallen hook line and sinker for someone's propaganda!
😂😂😂
You get lithium from sea water which they use. You're thinking of cadmium. Bet you didn't care about "the children" when you used AA etc batteries at home. Only now do you care because EVs used to use it before 2010.
Given China's minimum work age and its rigid enforcement, that Fox News hoax has always been pretty pathetic.
EV Cars saving the planet one Congolese child at a time.
@@jjaus But alkaline batteries were not promoted as "saving the planet"!
‘Always remember to carry a big bag of spare electrons in the boot of your EV in case the battery goes flat.’
Good idea, where can I buy them 😂
Also as Im sure you know, an ev cant jumpstart another car as far as I can make out. There could be enough power to do it but the EVs dont have the connections according to my friend.
@Ln-cq8zu An EV could potentially start another car, as most of them have a lead acid 12v battery. On the other hand, it could also charge the battery of an ice car. The latest EV's have what is termed V2L, which stands for Vehicle to Load. Even Kia / Hyundai have a 240v AC socket inside the car.
@@Ln-cq8zuAmazon sell electron storage by Anker.
You could always carry a petrol driven generator and a library book. Read the book whilst waiting for the EV to charge. If you parked on a petrol station forecourt whilst all this is going on you could count how many ICE cars have filled up in the time it takes to charge your EV.
Raccoon mistaking a cybertruck for a dumperster? Understandable.
Not sure about that. The dumpster is considerably better looking. Maybe they mistake it for the rubbish bins inside the dunpster
@@paultasker7788 Now that i think about you, I agree.
It's not a mistake, the Cybertruck is just a little harder to get into, apart from that there's little difference (maybe just cost).
At least a dumpster is useful.
@@de6584 agreed
People who have carried out zero research end up doing 2 things voting for Herr Starmer and or buying an EV.
And then there are those that think oil and gas are infinite resources and climate change is made up by lizard people in a plot to take over this fine flat earth, and they vote for Trump or Reform UK.
I bet those two groups have almost 100% intersection...
We're not taught to do research... Makes you wonder about the education system. Or indoctrination factories.
EV and Green party actually.
@@Rexbilly9819Well actually Labour/Tory/liberals/ Green all the same Uniparty. The original legislation was brought in by the Tories and backed by the other 3 parties.
Geoff, informative video. I think I'll just keep my BMW 645CI. She's 20 years old and puts a smile on my face every time I start her. Can't beat a V8.
Delicious......BUT wait for the new VED rates next year.........
Just don't top trumps a V8 on best fuel consumption. 😂
@@jamesbowskill362 Stuff that is earlier than a 56 plate tends not to get hammered as badly but maybe this time things will be different.
we love our old diesel van.
I had an ex AA MK3 1.6 diesel escort van. The wife and I used to go " puddle hopping" flat out through massive road lakes generated by heavy rain, shocking other drivers timidly wading through. Loadsa fun !
I've always liked diesels too. Unfortunately, the road tax on them is becoming more extortionate, so I've reluctantly gone back to petrol.
@@BilldeSarse yes, the road tax is extortion so most journeys are petrol powered... still love the smell of two stroke as well though :D
The people that I have spoken to here in Canada that own EVs say that they are very happy with them, they find them cheap to run, quick to charge and don't have problems in -30 degree temperatures during winter. They are obviously embarrassed to tell the truth just like they say they don't vote for Trudeau's Liberals.
Might be cheap to charge in Canada where you have much lower energy bills as you have a lot of hydro, but not in the UK where our electricity costs are the highest in Europe!
In -30 how does the heater keep it nice and warm inside and still beable to drive somewhere 😵😱😱
Embarrassed or frightened of telling the truth ? Do the thought police knick on doors in Canada llike they are in the UK ?
@@stevebaker9709
There's a choice to make, either you drive to work or sit in you're driveway with the heater on. 😆
I see that some people just don't get sarcasm..😂
Cybertruck. "Anyone can make a mistake" Said the Dalek climbing off the rubbish bin
So why oh why are people and companies buying EV's ?
The post office, mitre cleaning, etc etc and all you see is their staff doing is standing around in groups getting paid whilst the van's are charging !!! How much is it costing companies for loss of productivity and the depreciation?
Swiss Post has been using BEVs for decades on their inner city routes. It's typically a open cab trike with an additional trailer.
they charge overnight at the depot where they are loaded with post, and the batteries last for the route (not very long, but plenty of houses).
Domino's here also uses BEVs. 45kph scooters with a top case. Quicker through rush hour traffic than a car. And if it's too far for the battery to reach, the pizza would be cold anyway.
Can't fix stupid or the government bribes.
@@svr5423 electric scooters make more sense but how much do petrol ones actually use
@@tims9434 An electric pushbike that did 25-30mph would have been ideal for my commute, but that would make it a motorbike so I bought a petrol scooter instead.
Electric scooters are illegal unless the city are hiring them out, how does that work?
It's costing them nothing; it's costing you everything.
I'm happy to have just purchased a second hand petrol car.
Well done. You are not a dummy.
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@@user-zz9gn2dc3l I would have kept my diesel, but ulez was killing me.
@@user-zz9gn2dc3l my reply to your reply was also deleted.
I'm happy with my electric car.
7 years 70k miles still going strong .
Horses for courses
Love these videos. I wasn't around for the first collapse of the EV market back in the early 20th Century, but I sure am enjoying this one.
My step dad has a Skoda EV, he wanted an EV for awhile now and got it as a company car. It doesn't leave the driveway much, says he doesn't need to use it as much cause he's mostly work at home but he does need to travel to areas around the UK which could also mean staying in hotels. When I asked my mum she said he waited 4 hours to charge it while out doing a survey, he wasn't happy. So when he got home it was 11 at night and he doesn't like to be up past 8pm so he went straight to bed to be up at 4am and had no dinner.
A deeply frightening comment
Did he remember to plug it in, first, or was the battery flat in the morning?
She gave him a rather harsh punishment!
Got sent to bed with no dinner, for being late, not even the excuse of it taking 4 hours to charge worked, ah well live and learn.😁😁
@lesliewelch6551 the usual one is " your dinner's in the dog"
The serious advice is simplicity in itself. DON'T BUY AN EV!
Hybrid, with the i.c.e. engine powering 2 of the 4 wheels, electric motors helping/powering the other wheels, no unnecessary bells and whistles, and ADORABLE. Is that to much to ask? Most if not all car companies, "Yes". My brain either screams in a pillow or, exits body and goes of screaming into the middle of the day.
Side bar.
Me, "sorry if this is a bit much, but I didn't realize I felt this way till after I finished. Have a nice day in your gas/petrol powered car."
*adorable was supposed to be affordable, however...and or
@user-ug4lt3yr5w I have no problem with Hibrids. They are the working alternative to a net zero. They are functional and economically efficient. My issue is with EV's. As a Fully Qualified Electrical Engineer I know the impracaticabilities of EV's. I have 2 cars, my worked HSV, 655bhp V8, and my Fiat 500 0.9lt Daly. I am not stupid to what will eventually happen. But I do like driving a performance vehicle!
@user-ug4lt3yr5w As to your second reply...
I bought my HSV 4 years ago for $30K. Over the last 4 years I have invested another $30K. I could sell my Commadore for over $100K+, I have had an offer for $130K for it. Find me an EV that that works for.
P.S. I have no intention of selling my pride and joy!
What's puzzling is why these idiotic managers in these car manufacturing companies think that, apart from a few idiots, the general public is going to embrace this garbage... Who the hell wants to go hunting and begging to allow their EV to be connected to charge for hours?.....
Keep making these exception videos Geoff. I have shared them in the past to Facebook, only to be told by people, 'oh this bloke is making it all up, to get more views!', hhhhmmmmm I bet their reconsidering their opinion of you now, as you were bang on the money! - Jess.
£87,912 for a panel van, what planet are they on or what drugs are they on? Even with a 3rd off, it's still £58,021.
And still only good for local deliveries. Madness.
Whatever they're on, I want some.
Actually your third off is about as much as the largest battery variant costs in Germany. So either he or the article seem to je full of shit. I honestly couldn’t tell who
@@ghunt9146400km real world range when almost empty is short distance to you?
@@MaticTheProto The problem is that car and van manufacturers have regional pricing. What we get in the UK is probably 30% to 50% cheaper if made in the USA for instance. The same could well be the same for the van maker.
I`m a member at Burnt EVs and a daily contributor!
Can’t find it in a search. I tried Geoff’s link above, but it didn’t work 🤷♂️
Just watched this video. After viewing, for fun I went onto ebay and selected a random Fisker Ocean, found one BRAND NEW, for sale there @ £26000, REPEAT. BRAND NEW. Copied the details into the biggest crooks in town, “ we buy any car”……. Price offered …£150. Surely the wheels are worth more then you could put them on a PROPER car!!!!! Unbelievable.
wow 😆🤣😆🤣 £150
Agreed
I put my mk.4 golf r32 with 100k on we buy any car and it came back with £350. There’s no way that’s anywhere near real value.
@@davideyres955it's a trade value, meaning what someone will buy to make a profit on. Your car is worth about £1500 to a private buyer.
@@davideyres955 It came up with the same for my 1990 Audi Coupe 20v, which was useful for the purpose of divorce!
7:36 “that would be fun, a REAL virus”. I laughed out loud at that one. Surprised that didn’t get cut out by the propagandists. They probably missed it.
Jesus, £10 per mile depreciation! Add in the cost of charging the EV and all other motoring costs, insurance, etc….. how can anyone afford the price per mile of using EV vehicles. Great post Geoff - I concur on the corporate car schemes - I no longer have a corporate car because I can’t subscribe to the ignorance of how polluting these cars are to make and their impact on the environment in 10-15 years time (if not sooner because no-one is buying them).
My boss leased a Renault Megane electric vehicle. That was 8 months ago, so far he has only driven it for 2 days of that period. Someone pulled out in front of him at a junction, he collided with the car at a very low speed, but it cracked his bumper and damaged a body support strut. Renault UK dont carry these parts 'yet' so it cant be repaired without sending it to France which the dealer/insurance company refuse to do, so in the meantime he drives his courtesy car BMW 1 series M sport. On another note I once made a journey from Somerset to Lancashire with my brother in his Tesla - it cost him £179 in charge costs and the journey took 6 hours. I recently drove my Merc A Class 200d on the same journey and return for less than £70 and it took me just over 4 hours, each way ! Its still a long way off for me to take the plunge.
Why I make the same run in 4 hours and I don't have to stop to charge with my Tesla? Is your bro stupid? Why it costs me only £40 to charge for 30 minutes at the destination, while I do my work and it's enough to return? Did he ask you to give him money? To share the expenses? LOL!!!!!
That charge cost can't be right. Even at full commercial power prices you're spending only 70% of the fuel costs. Charge costs tend to be € 0,50 - 0,76 per Khw.
For your numbers to be right, power prices in the UK would need to be somewhere 5 pounds per kwh.
@@SVEVelsen try charging at a Tesla station.
@@SVEVelsen LIE-berals and their Woke pals DO ENJOY PUTTING OUT FAKE NEWS about electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In related news- HYPOCRITE LIE-berals NEVER COUNT THE COST OF OUR TIME while we wait for the electric TOY car to finally charge up!!!!!!!!!!
£88k for a van and then the stealership will ad "admin" fees on top of that...
How much for equivalent diesel version? I bet there’s a huge gap there. 😊
And paint protection, upholstery protection, cargo barrier, extended warranty (in fine print.. 'on the fuel tank, dpf, filter housings, fuel injectors, pump, clutch and sunroof) another six grand...
Stealership, I laugh at people who call car dealers thieves, the only reason they take advantage of you is because you let them, Just walk away from a dealer that's taking advantage of you, its simple, if more people did that these thieves would change their tune or go out of business.
Could you buy want after it's lost all its value and swap it out for a diesel engine, I assume the vehicle platform is the same?
@@affieuk It won't be compatible. The floor is raised to accommodate the battery, the drive system and brakes are unique to EV, the vehicles electronics will not be compatible including dash, steering system, HVAC and immobiliser etc. Then there are all the other things, like BCM, lighting, fuel tank, plumbing, cooling, exhaust... the list goes on. Then try to register and insure it.
Neighbour bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5 new in 2022 for £50k. Done 6,000 miles since then. No dealers now want it as a trade-in, WBAC have offered £12k for it. £6.33 per mile excluding charging and servicing costs.
Lol !
Have you considered that the Aliens have already invaded and this is why everything tipsy turvey?
But that's ok if its a prestige car. With prestige cars at least you had the feeling that everyone thought you were cool right ?
For £6.33 per mile he could have got a chauffeur.
@@richy69ifynot really, even worse if you have that little green stripe on your number plate. Plonkers.
I love reading the Google 'warning' on these types of videos. They must think we are all morons....
I'm thinking of investing in a proper old milk float. No heater, almost no suspension, flat load space, single seat, three wheels, no doors top speed 20MPH sounds fantastic to me. Big improvement over most EV's.
There used to be a very large following of those old milk floats, for what they were life in a city perfectly suited them
That poor bloke who had too rescue his grandchild from the burning Volvo had my ptsd from my burns going nuts last night two nightmares in one night that's about my monthly amount now in one night it was savage!
To be fair, Vauxhall Zafiras used to be the poster child for car fires, almost killing someone in a similar way. Then IIRC it was land rovers. Now its various EVs. Fact is, all vehicles have hot bits that can Ignite. EVs just have a lot more exploding battery on board.
Was a mild hybrid and looks more likely to be a fuel fire
If my 940 had deprecated £10 per mile it would have cost over 3.7 million quid when new 😂
PAAHAA... As you say. My piece-of-shit Street KA would've cost £1,040,000 (roughly).
My Mondeo must have been next to the bargain buckets of chicken wings at only... £1,840,000
Or is that what an EV driver spends on coffee each year?
Probably cost you £3.7 million in fuel costs to drive a 940 370000 miles. 😂😂😂
I simply cannot believe how many people are falling for the net zero nonsense, was this a plan to flush out the idiots?????
Well the sun is out and so are the cloud makers 🤦♂️
Cloud makers being the Anti EV activists? Genuinely I don’t understand what we are all so upset about? I have researched most of what the professionals are saying about the improvements to human health and environmental improvements are for going EV.
Anti EV Car enthusiasts you can enjoy your new petrol or diesel 2035 model car for as long as you keep them alive. Usually 150,000 before being scrapped. Most older evs with older technology are lasting well over 300,000 miles and even then the battery gets removed and becomes static battery storage for homes, businesses, factories and public grid storage. Then after another 20+ years after being used for battery storage they can be recycled.
All modern cars have so much technology and parts in them due to safety regulations that why not take away as many moving parts it takes to make a car by going EV which removes a huge amount of moving parts that could fail compared to ICE.
Today here low level clouds skate by. High above, the blue now has a series of manmade lines passing above, spreading out.
Yep. Disgusting isn't it!?!
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@@HunkumSpunkum
> The truth is uncomfortable isn't it.
The truth that they are just condensation trails is certainly uncomfortable for the swivel-eyed conspiracy fantasy fckwits who think they are something else, but then they only have themselves to blame - they choose to believe a pile of lies for which there is zero evidence - nobody forces them to let go of reality.
The lesson to learn is if you go EV commercial or private,Lease it pay for the term then give it back,I suspect lease deals on EV’s will vanish soon😂
I believe ALL new vehicles will be available only to Lease whether commercial or private in the not too distant future. Remember, you will OWN nothing and be happy (not). Even your home, its furnishings, your clothes and your vehicle (if you are allowed one) will be rented from the big corporations. You will never actually own anything.
@@christopherfitzgerald774never had a car payment in entire life. I'm 53. Just keep old ones running great until tires fall off. I invest the saving of no car payment and lower Insurance since I never need full coverage.
Hertz.
Can I interject? How exactly does leasing a EV every 12 months save the planet? An old gas car thats 25+ years old and still functioning has done far more to save the planet than buying a new EV every 12 months. And WHY are corporations getting a vehicle tax break paid for by taxpayers??? that should only be for private buyers.
Surely the individuals controlling the EV policy dont want us to have cars, so, they want them to be as expensive as possible. And to take all our money off us through depreciation. All normal in this day and age.
I went to a shop to complain that my new battery was flat, and the man told me that if it was any other shape it would not fit in my phone. 😂
A friend was on the highway up North when a snow/ice storm stopped all traffic for miles. People would run their gasoline engines to stay warm, and my friend would use the car's electric heater. By the next evening the Highway Dept. sent out a fuel truck to fill up the tanks of cars that were running low, but no power for the EV's. He ran out of power that night and nearly froze. In the morning he hitched a ride with the Highway Dept. truck and went home. When they finally cleared the snow, his car was blocking the road so they pushed it off into the ditch with one of their plows. He sold it shortly thereafter.
Also when the battery is colder then +0c (below freezing) the EV`s battery can not take a charge, at all... It has to be heated up to more then freezing.
£10 per mile depreciation.....good grief Charlie Brown.....my '75 BMW E3 has got 98,000 miles on it and goes UP in value every year and became I've owned it for 43 years , I'm saving the planet too 😊
£88,000 for an electric Mercedes Sprinter van that will get you about a hundred miles range when fully loaded and be a rusty heap within two years. Definitely the bargain of the century!! 😵💫😂
Delivered rusty with no paint. Buyer complains and they just say we could paint them but the weight of the paint will reduce your range...
Very good point. What is the range of these vans (unloaded/loaded) in the real world? Would be good to hear from electric van drivers on their experiences on a daily basis. In fact Geoff could do a whole video on electric vans because you never hear about them?!!?!
@@TheKARMMARK Artisan Electric on here bought a brand new EV VW Transporter, first winter he could not even demist the screen or turn the heating on as his range showed sixty miles and that was not close to being fully loaded.
@@Calvi36 I wonder how many of these electric vans are being stockpiled because dealers can't sell them?
@@TheKARMMARK Not sure on the loaded weight but a mate said going from Oxford to Tamworth used 80% of the vans battery. He had to charge for a short while before getting to the first drop off. And a longer charge to get back to Oxford after he had finished. Less drops and 3 hours longer than the previous diesel van.
Something nice? I have a 19yo Sprinter and at 330xkm old, it purrs like a happy kitten. That makes me happy at least!
How many injectors u gone through
Mines an 03 2.7 m.w.b. 75k on the clock.
Owned for 5yrs, and owned another one for 6yrs previously. Old mercs never die.
@@MrTangolizardblack death?
All Merc vans that I see of that age are full of rust.
How at that age has it not rusted into oblivion being a Sprinter????
Bring back “ Dirty Diesel’s “.
Look at the used car market. At least here in Germany you can clearly see which cars/vans the people want. You can get more money for a clapped out 2009 Euro5 Sprinter van with 400,000 km than for a 2015 Sprinter with the AdBlue nightmare and 250,000km. That says it all.
God no, bloody horrible things!
Some mad people have diesel convertibles 🤮
@@lloyd.8272 I would have said the same but given the choice of a diesel convertible and an EV convertible... it's diesel all day long..
Which haven't been dirty for 30 years.
@@lloyd.8272You've clearly never driven one. Performance and economy in one package plus a cool convertible. Diesel is KING.
The reason these chargers only work at 20% (or less) capacity in places like service stations is that the sites don't have enough electrical capacity on the site itself so they can have installed multiple chargers but the available power has to be shared equally between them. No matter who installs the chargers. But it does mean they meet any obligations to have x number of chargers on site.
I've calculated the running costs on my 11 year old Golf diesel at 10p per mile. About £900 annually on my mileage. At this age, it doesn't really depreciate anymore. Road tax 20 quid/year. Insurance 280 quid.
your road tax is £20 annually? just spent 210 taxing a modest petrol car.
10p a mile, as cost is directly related to environmental pollution, that's an extremely green car.
@@SteveT3D Mondeo Diesel 2L £35 or you could have a small 1.2L petrol for the same tax?
@@WhiteDieselShed I'm shocked diesels are so cheap to tax, I thought all ICE had gone right up?
@@SteveT3D Depends on the year, I think they increase again from 2016/2017?
Our towcar is 9 years old and we would normally have swapped it by now but it's a keeper I think.
I can see a beautiful little cloud in between the chemtrails today,so happy😊
@richardwareing8298
> I can see a beautiful little cloud in between the chemtrails today,so happy
If you think you can see chemtrails you should seek medical attention, or at the very least go to SpecSavers, as you are seeing things - they don't exist.
Coffee sales (and prices) will go up. No way will there be enough charge facilities if everyone had an EV. It seems the working class is being forced off the roads, how the hell could you afford to buy, hire even, an EV??
Correct the goal is a 90% reduction by 2030 in private car ownership
Economy of scale. If there are a lot of cars being produced, the unit price decreases. If everyone has an EV they will be as cheap as chips, just not the chips used to control them.
Of course, there will not be enough electric in the country to charge them all. Especially if the idiots in the Labour government get their way and we all have to rely on wind generated electric. Might as well put a sail on a Lada.
What date is the revolution planned for!
Summer or winter?
Autumn or Spring?
I'm going for Autumn!
Actually in Sydney the car hire company I use was hiring out a Kia EV6 (about $70,000 to buy) for less than an MG3 (About $20,000 to buy).
And yet I decided against the EV because I had a couple of 500km trips to do.
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle😂😂😂
We oppose corporate greedy deception!
If you can charge at home it really doesn’t help because any savings will be wiped out by the epic depreciation.
That's a great point pal.
If depreciation is high then that is good for opening up the second hand market. The first computers were very expensive as were the first videos. Prices for new technology falls over time.
@@sistersledge9873 There is a reason that depreciation is high on EV's, a second hand EV will be worth far less when the second owner disposes of it, its not a computer with a large memory its a car with a used battery, you are comparing potatoes with Ice cream.
@@sistersledge9873 I do agree that prices for technology falls over time, but its going to take decades not months, my first VCR was $1000 and my first single disc CD player was $500, today they are worth nothing.
Hey Geoff...... Im not a car man....not bothered about them and never have been.....always bikes. BUT....... Im addicted to your channel as you often talk sense andyou are entertaining........so thanks for the content.....who buys these EV's?
Companies that is forced to due to government policy and idiots that have no idea of all the disadvantages of EV`s (like the battery have to be warmer then freezing temperature to take a charge),.
Nothing is more funny than your mate's depreciation of his Taycan😂😂🇦🇺🦘🪃🇦🇺🦘🪃
The head of Fiat states, "Fiat will reintroduce a petrol-engined 500 city car in the next two years due to a lack of demand for electric vehicles" Also Audi have some interesting news coming out about the stopping of manufacturing of one of their electric range cars ....
Yes, the Audi Q8 etron is discontinued. It was their first EV and is quite long in the tooth by now. Lots of quality issues, terrible software and 400V while the other top Audi EVs have 800V.
@@VolkerHett Yeah I know, and for some bizzare reason they took action there but doubled down and name/model changed the A5 to be an A4 successor in ICE form and A4 to be EV and anything that is even numbered (which is a mistake) I wonder when they will come to their senses to pull the pin on that crazy plan. (and I don't mean go closing factories we need those for ICE cars lol)
Surely Jaguar must follow suit....
Well they better had! Or we're all dead..
The people are sheep they will all go over the cliff with their EV 'S
No they won't coz they'll be flat before they can get to the cliff.
Geoff, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned tax payers money ( ie.from most of us ) subsidises the purchase of these things at massively inflated prices. Its the classic way of transferring OUR money straight into the pockets of shareholders and that I'm afraid just about sums up this whole disastrous scenario..
Scam you mean
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If course it was.
There is no government subsidy. That was withdrawn some time ago.
Government bodies are buying them too.
@@TheLongonot62 tax benefits for companies still applies, free / ultra cheap VED still applies.
Thanks for the laughs, Geoff! They are much needed right now ...
If the spider is radioactive then you'll turn into Spiderman
SpiderGeoff
Love your content Geoff , I drive a a VW Golf GTI ❤ and a Golf Alltrack and they can take their EV's and stick them where the sun don't shine baby ... I live in Canada where the winters are cold so EVs don't cut it . Long live ICE automobiles ...😊
Nice to hear a voice of reason and sanity about EVs. They have there place in transport strategies but they are not and will not be in the foreseeable future the future of motoring or road transport. Keep it up Geof 👍🏻
Not only has Fisker gone bankrupt but they have recalled all of their Ocean models in the US.
Only a drop in the Ocean😂 They are all gonna go bust.
Im waiting for the EV prices to get down to single fiqures then it might be worth buying one for the wife to pop to tesco,s lol.
Talking about spiders, I was working on my eldest blokes car (Skoda) and was laying on my creeper in the garage when I felt a sting on my foot. It took a week or so but the area became infected and swollen. I went to the old Doc's he had a look and it turned out to be a White Tail Spider bite. He prescribed some tablets that you have to take in reducing dosage over a couple of weeks. They say that the site of the bite can fester again over years. Welcome to the friendly spiders of Australia.
Mate at work got bitten by a false widow in the Lake District, he was in a real mess for months....
If anyone watched the Festival Of Speed will quickly realise they ain't stopping pushing EV's, especially the ones from Chyna!
Shankies ponies, anybody?
If you ever visit the electric avenue stand they have is actually powered by diesel. Behind the stand there is a huge diesel genset generator out the back helping charge the eco hypocrisy cars.
@@bentullett6068 But that's hidden from sight if not noise and smell so it doesn't count. Your supposed to have your gaze fixed at the tiny fake solar panel they claim will run your house for a year even at night. :)
You and me won't be able to buy ANY FoS EVs for some time or never
When I am working, I get paid to be nice.
I don't understand why my friends and family expect me to do it for free during my time off.
That was literally my outlook on life when I was 17 and worked in retail 😂😂😂😂
@@andyredvolvo9434same, but I've never grown up 😂
Can anyone remember licking the ends of batteries when they were nearly flat to get the last out of them 🤔 people with EV’s should try this method to get their EV going again 😂
Oh yeah... That'll "Shock" them back in to reality.
1:24 I'm a kitchen fitter. I once (only the once, mind) had a customer - who despite numerous and severe 'don't run this until tomorrow' warnings from me - ran a cycle on her new integrated washing machine without removing the transit bolts. It wrecked both units beside the machine, and flooded the kitchen because I still hadn't plumbed the waste.
I remember the first calculators red screens would only do 4 functions cost around £50 in 1976 now you could buy calculator from pound land. moral it costs dearly to be a guinea pig.
A fool and his money are easily parted
Easy come easy go for some.
A close friend bought one of the earliest Fisker Ocean's for his Mrs. Multiple software failures later the car's for sale at £20,000 and absolutely nobody is bidding for it. Lost a fortune.
What is really silly about EV’s. The powers want us not to have diesel vehs, nearby where I live there are about 20 charging points for EV’s and nearby there is a a large fence hiding a large diesel generator providing the power to the charging points.
Noticed that the numbers of ev industry 'influencers' has doubled on your channel recently Geoff. They're so obvious it's painful.
Who's paying the sad tossers? That Welsh gnome in his cellar is making a real prick of himself.
Nigerian trolls mostly
The last story is just ridiculous who in there right mind would even think of buying one absolute madness,good video 👍
Geoff you are funny 😆 🤣 man that's why I am here because you have come sense thanks for everything 👍 👍
Thanks Geoff, enlightening as ever.
If I was told by an employer that a company car HAD to be an EV, I would decline and carry on using my own car and claiming mileage as and when. Wonder if any employee given such an ultimatum has successfully challenged it....?
Challenged what? You are such an entitled little 💩
I drove my KIA ev6 from Derbyshire to southern Italy. No range anxiety no charging problems, very smooth journey. Love my ev but you probably won't mention this.
No, but you did. Thanks for saving the rainforests!
No not facetiously, sarcastically.
We had blue skies here this morning, the planes started about an hour ago, bye bye blue skies 🤬
Exactly the same here near Brecon. Clear blue sky until just after 8am then the trails, now the cloud...sun blocked.
PS Where TF have all the bees and butterflies gone¿
Same here, started at about nine. We had a few hours of clear sky
Same in scotland
Why do all my comments keep being deleted
Theve not started here today, but same as you yesterday and almost every day this year!😢
I'm all for electric vehicles...
When they're finished.
Brilliant thankyou Geoff 😂❤
Even though I don't always agree with everything you say, I think your a great chap, and I love listening to your channel. It heart warming to know we're all going down the toilet together. All the best 😊
Literally just bought a 1999 sprinter 312d, only 78k for £2,600, runs like a Swiss watch, tons of power. We're going backwards.
That a boss price! Where did you get that?
😂🤣😂 Great job on the video Geoff. Thanks so much for sharing. Got to give it to the Tesla Cyber Urinal it seems to go from strength to strength or recall to recall which ever the case maybe. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Something nice: the roof on my new (used) Defender is made of fabric and sitting in there in the rain is like camping. I love it.
I like your attitude. It's fresh to me. Open, Honest, I like it. Nothing but good vibes for you and your love ones. Keep it up, don't stop. you rock bro.
Pay per mile £10😱
Just sold my lovely Jaguar XJS for £5500; bought it for £8500 11 years ago and have done approx 50K miles in it. It averaged about 25mpg so I used 2000 gallons of fuel. At an average cost of about £13000 in total (scary). Plus depreciation £16000 so approx 32p/mile. It was also despite common misconceptions utterly reliable
If the spider bites you you may become SpiderGeoff!! Saving Worcestershishire from Evil EVs!! 🤣🤣
I liked the E.V.ills bit ,we have to have a bit of comedy , laugh or cry , chuckle
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😂
Only if it's radioactive.
To anyone who reads this send him spidergeoff fan fiction please
The spider will only be poisonous if you eat it :-)
An Van £88k?
I can hear MacMaster's response would be "'ow much?, A van?, £88k?, R U 'avin' a laff?"
Like a Porsche EV for 120k you mean 😂
@@andrewwaller5913 like he needs to be reminded EVery day!🤣
E xpensive
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Lily from Austria said she liked her E bike very much but charged from solar panels from her shed roof.
She also said her shed was detached from her house making it difficult for fire to spread.
Ebike owners keep their spare battery in a amo box for safety.
There has been lots of issues from E bikes and scooters. A lot down to aftermarket batteries and chargers
Yes the Report most definitely pointed out there was a risk of fire.
I think her point was she was mobile for free.
She is a preper and so Explains how to survive with out what we expect to happen.
I ride a big heavy Dutch bicycle, the only batteries are in the automatic rear light
If I feel tired, I stop and charge myself up in a nearby cafe or shop
Simples
At least with a ebike you only loose a week and a halfs pay if you can't sell it.
All is fine as long as you have sunny days. What happens when you're out of juice, in middle of nowhere and you get rain all next day? EVs aren't quite light to pedal without assist either... And yes, I own one (diy, front rear hub with 1kw constant each), but on prolonged situation, od ditch my ebike for 3/9 stock one.
Fantastic Geoff ❤
Overtaking electric cars is one of the pleasures of life for people who aren't sheep now
Nobody is forced to get an EV as a company car. They just wanted to pay less tax and are now complaining about their choice
Actually you are. I know a guy who drives a lot up here in Scotland and has been told that tat is all that is available next time he changes it. He drives for a living so, there's that.
What's your point? You choose to pay less tax by getting a shytbox, then discover it's a shytbox and complain about it. Seems fair to me.
@@DavidMartin-ym2te I Doubt that highly. I bet there are hybrid vehicles available to him. No company does this
The staff are complaining about the choice of have an EV or have an EV. I want a diesel thanks, we don't offer that... No but company x will and they are offering me more money as well here is my 2 weeks notice.
Yes. Stupid is as stupid does.
The sun is out but its freezing. Should have worn a coat today. Luckily its the warmest spring on record, even though its Summer.
It is morally unacceptable to allow a fool to keep their money. If you do, you have switched roles.
Is this a logic problem?
First view of your channel , absolutely brilliant !! we need honest evaluation of the EV market thank you .Funny too !
We need more videos like this. I’ll get my EV self -combustion-reporting expert, Chris Peabody, on the case.
Read that name twice before I realised but I laughed, good one
@@hamstirrer6882 - many have missed that. 😂. I did an ‘In Memoriam’ on FB to my mate Chris Peabody, who died in an EV fire. Got a fair few messages of condolence! 😳😀
The sky's awake, so I'm awake, so we have to play... imagine that 7 hour drive with children reciting lines from Frozen!
My BEV (a VMAX R25) is now almost 2 years old.
Main battery was already replaced as well as most of the electronics.
Even though BEVangelists assured me that modern batteries would "last a decade" (which of course every Lithium battery user knows to be a false claim).
Of course, there is no local dealer, so I either need to send it in or drive 150km to their headquarters.
Roughly for every 10km I ride with my BEV, I have to drive 3km with my ICE car to pick it up when it has broken down or bring it to/from service.
Auto Trader have a RUclips video out. They ran battery checks on a 340,000 mile Tesla with its original battery. The battery would still hold 80% of its new capacity.
@@davecooper3238 so they found ONE Tesla where the battery lasted long.
I'm sure I can find an old Nokia phone with a working lithium battery somewhere. On the other hand, I had a DOA power pack on my new Vive.
It just isn't representative. Lithium batteries typically last several months to a few years. There's a reason they are often excluded from the warranty.
@@davecooper3238so, you have to do lots of miles, slow charge it and with PPM coming how much would that cost???
@@davecooper3238I hear Tesla's are the pick of the bunch regarding the closest feasibility to an ice car in longevity , range and reliability
@@svr5423 😶🌫️I believe you will find Tesla gives a five year warranty.
A year ago there was always 1 to 3 sprinter waiting for a new battery in the workshop, now those are disappeared.. probably we fixed them all 😂.
The depreciation on EVs just keeps getting worse. We’ve not got to the bottom yet! 😂😂😂
True statement
But which ev Teslas and MG4s are hardly depreciating any worse than petrol cars
The sales of tanked. World wide.
petrol and diesel sales are also down in he UK.
Just love la la land stories, perfect to make me smile in spite of shifty skies, thank you ❤
The son of one of my customers has a company EV. Visiting friends or family miles away, he woke in the middle of the night to a glow behind the curtains. His car was on fire and did £30,000 damage to the house.
My son's friend's cleaning lady's daughter told the same story.
@@entropy5431 Jaguar ipace. Works for JLR. Check it if you like. Idiot.
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You speak with forked tongue...
PS, who deleted my first reply?
He is damn lucky he got out! Also, if you instal a charging point you have to tell your house insurance - otherwise the policy is invalid.
I had a friend who’s ice car burst into flames. Much more likely to happen with ice vehicle apparently.