You CAN'T do that with a Coleman Lantern
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2018
- I hate how people love to tell you all the things you can't do. In this video I explore the idea that you can't put a Coleman #21 mantle on a 237 lantern. The results here are also valid for Peerless 2C HG or any other mantle in this size class.
Probably the best way to deal with people who tell you silly things is to just ignore them but I'm not good at that. 
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Excellent video Curt. You produce and present very well, please keep it up. I've missed your good and entertaining topics lately.
Thanks for the tip... I have been looking for a way to have "less light"... now I know how...
Great info! Glad to see you make another informative video Curt.
Hey Lew fancy finding you here.
Glad I stumbled across your channel I am sure I can learn allot hanging around here.
Thanks for all the tips, great information appreciate it :-)
excellent - glad to see you back - thumbedUp!
Very impressive. Liked the details and very cool video. I liked the video. Subbed.
I'm convinced! If Curt says it's so, then it's so!
You're a "What If"? Guy!!👍
I've questioned the limits all my life..
Very educational. Thanks.
Thank you for that mantle overburn. Clarification '
Good stuff! People love to say you "can't".
Granddad said "Can't died in the Poor House..."
My 237 is my favorite in my collection !!!
Thank you
so i’m new to fuel lanterns, and purchased 3 recently second hand. the coleman dual fuel is brand new and i have no issues with it. the mantles it has in it are decently bright. however the 220K, and 228F195 i have ive had a couple issues. granted they’re older, still haven’t figured it out. the 220K works but has a flicker to it. there’s no visible flame outside of the mantles. the 228 has a ton of over burn, especially on one mantle. i did use #21 mantles because that’s what’s available and i’m new to it. any suggestions? the 220 is the one i definitely want to use with the dual fuel. i have already seen holes after just putting the mantles in so like you said i guess they’re not the greatest
Overburn is almost always "stuff" in the air tubes. You could swap the generator between the 220K and the 228, they use the same one. If the problem stays with the 228 you need to clean the air tube.
Flickering or pulsing on a 220/228 is pretty common, sometimes a new generator cures it, sometimes a bunch of use cures it, sometimes nothing cures it...
I’ve noticed that 21s are awful mantels. I don’t think I’ve had one that didn’t have a hole in it.
That was great! Thanks so much. I have a question, for best results, (assuming I can not get old Coleman mantels) what is the best mantel for a 200A and what is best for a 220F? Thanks!
200A will work fine with a #21 or a #99 (or equivalent). I like the smaller mantle better, I think the big one looks goofy. 220 lanterns want a #21 or equivalent.
Where can I obtain some of the other mantles? Have loads of 21's but would like to find something brighter than the 21's. ever since they stopped using thorium to dope the mantles the are just lacking in brightness.
Is there also a chart that lists size or part numbers of mantels and their equivalent lumens or watts?
I thought that #99 and #11 were still available new OldColemanParts doesn't seem to have any #99 but they do have #11. eBay is a good source for mantles and OldColemanParts does have #24 Peerless which are roughly equivalent to #99 and #111 Peerless which is equivalent to #11 Coleman.
Watts is a lousy reference, its not even good for electric lights, lumens is great but AFAIK there aren't any references for lanterns. Lanterns are usually rated in candlepower which is really rough and just indicates more or less light.
So what is a test mantle? I need to see that :-)
You are correct, many Coleman mantles have holes in them, not really a good quality mantle. the Peerless are much better.
Out of curiosity, what would happen if you ran an oversized mantle for a particular lantern? For example 11s or Peerless 111s on a 295 Powerhouse?
If its too big it won't be driven all the way so it'll be bright at the top and dimmer at the bottom.
Sounds like this is a good idea for a video, thanks ;)
I'm looking forward to it, thanks!
My dad threw a lantern in the lake because it when crazy into over burn after it went out he went in and got it and dryed it off changed the mantels and the globe and I still have it to this day 40 years later
Great story, thanks for sharing!
Hi, I have got an Aladdin mantle lantern. It runs on kero. it consistently ruins the mantle. It will immediately turn black and be almost unusable. Aladdin sends me replacement stuff on request, which I think is good, but it does not fix my problem. Any insight on the
Aladdin Mantle Lanterns? Thanks
I do have a few Aladdin lamps. If you're getting carbon on the mantle the wick is too high. I think they overstate how bright the lamp will ever be, I've never gotten one above about 40% brightness. Sometimes you have to turn them down after they warm up all the way, the fire gets higher and gets sooty like that.
Nope, little table lamp.
Lantern Lab I concur with Curt’s assessment. I have several Aladdin’s and they all burn differently, and the difference is exacerbated by the shade I have installed on them. The different shades direct heat down on the fount in varying degrees. As the fuel in the fount heats up it atomizes more efficiently and will cause a rich burn/carboned mantle.
Solution: Light the lamp to 1/3 to no more than 1/2 brightens and let burn for 30 minutes. In 30 minutes you will most likely find that the lamp is burning at peak brightness, or just needs a touch of adjustment to get there.
Appreciate the info guys.
Hi I have a Hillary 72789 and can't find a mantle for it, it's vintage what can I use in stead Thanks...
Hold it closer to your computer I can't see good. ;)
The pics I find online suggest it wants a double tie mantle. Coleman #51s might work but might be too small. #95 might work but might be too big. If you don't mind the lighting thing not working you could just hang a #21 in there...
So last year I replaced the generator on my lantern and I left it on for our nieces, it was their first camping trip, but anyway the next night it just wouldn't burn correctly. Should I try and rebuild it or???
What does "wouldn't burn correctly" mean? It wouldn't light at all, it wouldn't go fully bright, lights and goes out? What lantern? Did you turn the cleaning rod a few times?
It was surging like if you were cutting off the fuel intermittently
Hi!, would you please tell me which mantle make and size should I use in my Colemans 220-H and 228-F ? Thanks a lot! Hi from Cancun.
220 and 228 use the same burner, they want #21 Coleman.
@@LanternLabs Thank you very much!!
Would a #21 mantle work in a 335 lantern
i have 220F andc220K. use #21 mantles in both?
Where do you get those fuel safe schrader valves? Im having trouble with an '86 Powerhouse pulsing and not being able to shut down.
I got mine from Old Coleman parts. I'm told theres a fuel injection test port part you can get too but I don't know what it is.
@Tabourba wrong idiot.
@@jacobpoucher troll much fool
@@tommythompson3358 ha that guys dead wrong dumdum no trolling here just setting the facts straight.
Very informative... Can I ask you though based on this video though, your opinion on using a #111 mantle on a coleman 200 lantern, simply because the mantle is bigger and will therefore give off more light, than the #21 mantle I have been using? The coleman 200 lantern as you know has only 1 mantle while most others have 2. I want more light on my Coleman 200 lantern. ANYBODY!
The larger mantle for a model 200 (or 201/202/242 etc) would be a #99 which is bigger than a #21 but smaller than a #11 or #111. It gives more light but not twice as much. Really if you want more light the answer is more lanterns. In fact the answer is always more lanterns... ;)
@@LanternLabs THANK YOU !!....I really only use one lantern but have used 2 or more lanterns. The 200 lantern though is my favorite and over the 220s and 228s. Thank you again though for this valuable piece of info that is not in the books and ONLY comes thru experience like yours. RESPECT!!!
You did GOOD! A-PLUS!
Just drill the air inlet holes one size larger.
For overburn, just turn DOWN the fuel knob a bit till it stops.
Can you use too big of a mantle?
Turning the knob down doesn't work, the limitation is the size of the gas jet which is so small that you can emulate it with the knob.
I have another video with big mantles, short answer: kinda.
@@LanternLabs Link please?
I have a 228E lantern.
Which mantle for kerosene, alcohol, and white gas please.
Had the same issue and there was something in the stem messing with air flow.
I've had several that had dead bugs in the air tube.
@@LanternLabs I bought my lantern off ebay. Pretty sure they dropped it and a piece of the mantle got sucked up in it. Then they probably put new mantles and the flow wasn't right due to the piece if mantle blocking flow. Yay me.
My 237 is the most used lantern followed by my 200s.
What is a test mantle made of were can I get one
Coleman #21, available at most good mantle sellers. ;)
So you always have to burn the mantle before starting the lantern???
Only when first installing the mantle.
Awesome video, you ever run 111 on a 220 or 228?
Go watch "Big Mantles, small lantern" for your answer ;)
how long can i use a pair of mantles before they need to be replaced?
Usually mantles get replaced because they get physically damaged. They will dim over time as the luminous stuff falls off. This is probably worse in high humidity climates. I've got some mantles that have been in place for nearly a decade.
@@LanternLabs oh ok so they dont need to be changed often, thanks slot for your help
Can you burn a peerless 111 on a propane northstar?
It's your lantern, I won't stop you ;).
Should be able to, it just won't be stabilized at the bottom like a Northstar mantle would be. Maybe I should make a video...
Isn't it just incomplete combustion? I don't know why it's called overburn.
I think you're right, the carbon that gets deposited would normally burn. It's called overburn because of the way it burns outside of the mantle...
Where can I get "test" mantles?
Anywhere that cheap mantles are sold.
can you make your own mantles?
In theory. The hardest part would be figuring out a coating that would actually produce light... Neither thorium nor yttrium are particularly nice substances to have around the house...
Would be nice to use a ceramic one on? For 6 on Amazon are $69.00 dollars
i have a 200a that mantle then 21 are shit
If you don't like people telling you you can't do that,then don't tell us through your title you can't do this!
Yeah insta clip 2 #21 are garbage even if one could fit them. They have to be a silk fabric with oxides impregnated in them. The insta clip 2 are for propane and have a rayon based mesh. You can destroy the insta- clip mantle long term use on a kerosene or white gas lamp.
The 285 I've got shipped with insta-clips. They lasted several years before I pulled them for an upcoming video. I've used them some, I don't think whitegas hurts them.
Thank you