what a crock to say that "oh that's private medical info". The safety of the people in the back depend upon the people in the front being competent to fly.
Lubitz had been treated for psychotic depression while taking pilot training in the US. This is a severe form of depression which can include hallucinations. Anyone suffering from such a condition should never be granted a commercial pilots license.
36:46 the look on the actor's face is so real. You almost forget for a minute that he isn't REALLY the captain who has just realized it's too late to save the plane and everyone in it.
Although cowardly, if he wanted to take himself out that's on him, however, taking all those innocent people and I'm sure some children is as low as a man can go no empathy....
Agreed, here I am thinking how if I do decide to end things, I'm gonna wait for my parents to pass away first so it doesn't hurt them. Then you have people like this, or school shooters, who are so pathetic that they feel the need to take as many people with them as possible.
How ridiculous that some of these airlines reversed their decision about having two pilots in the cockpit at all times. They’re just setting the stage for something like this to happen again!
Two *crew member,* usually with the head steward when a pilot need to step out. But yeah, it's appalling how that policy was reverted. Not just on the airline, but on the regulating agency as well, just two years after the incident. (The agency first issued a mandate, then retracted and say "up to you", and some airline decided that means reversion). Honestly I would have advocated for three. Because presuming a party have ill intent, they will likely have the element of surprise and more likely to win in any ensuing struggle. I mean just look at FedEx 705, it was a 3v1 and they barely made it due to the element of surprise. For passenger flight, 2v1 might be enough, as opening the door for reinforcement is a valid option(instead of having to continuously fight and struggle "alone"). But 1v1, I don't like the chances.
Set the cabin door to use an electronic lock and pin code. It can only be changed if both pilots enter their secret private pin (given to them) at the same time. Keypads would be too far apart for one person to reach at the same time. Once it is set it would then be impossible to lock that crewmember out. The lock mechanism would also use a battery backup to prevent it failing if power is lost. Entering your private pin would display the lock code if you were to forget it.
As someone who is diagnosed bipolar and struggles with suicidal thoughts: NO ONE wants to die with you! Suicide is already selfish (argue with your mama), but to take other people with you is unconscionably self-centered.
I definitely agree but I also feel as though, he was clearly unable to realize this with how many DOCTORS he saw… so I blame the medical industry as much as I blame loose screws here. Because he clearly could not make the decision to not fly for himself so the decision needed to be made for him. 41 doctors and to still be able to fly is insane.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Such an action to take one's own life is never easy and something we can't judge them for. we aren't them and we aren't dealing with the trials they face. However... Taking one's life solo, and taking other people with them are completely different stories. The moment they take the life of even one other person with them leaves them fully open for judgement. The people on that plane didn't want to die that day. They had their own lives to live. That co-pilot was a coward and deserves no mercy or sympathy.
@@hubertagamasu6283 That's what I said. Judge them only if they take the lives of others with them, if not then we can't judge them. We don't know what they're going through. Also not everyone believes in god or the same god.
@@kirara2516exactly, we all have different beliefs, I live in Niagara Falls, literally less than a mile above the falls, if I wanted to take my life all I have to do is go for a swim, it's pretty much a one way ride, but to take a bunch of even one person with you is BS.
There is a world of difference between someone taking their own life and someone murdering hundreds of innocent people. Unfortunately psychiatry seems unable to be able to distinguish between the two. The doctor worries about the patient harming himself but does not grasp he is dealing with a potential mass murderer.
What kind of coward knows there are children on the plane and still proceeds with this evil act ! Also what kind of company allows a person like that be responsible for hundreds of lifes!!!
The issue is airlines ironically are overly strict with mental health procedures. Pilots feel free to chime in here, but I've heard people with mental health issues, especially if they're severe, are often told they can't fly. Apparently, if the issues persist long enough, you can even be fired over it, and have your career seriously damaged. So the issue is a lot of people aren't gonna be transparent about the issues they're facing, because they don't want to lose their jobs.
@@themidnighttavern6784 Yes, it can't be left up the person with the mental issue. It has to be mental health professionals warning the airlines that this person should not be allowed to fly.
Transit and school busses have a camrea systems that monitor everyone even the bus drivers. You would think airline airplanes would have a camera system as well.
This is the stuff of nightmares. I'd say we should have the ability to remotely control an airplane in case of an emergency, but there would also be a hacking possibility to worry about. Idk how we could go about solving something like this
@@j.t.8685not sure that both pilots being able to open cockpit door with separate codes is any more of a hijacking risk than having only one. Many US based airlines have found a low tech solution. If one pilot has to leave the cockpit for any reason a flight attendant must be inside prior to them departing. My sister works for United and this is their policy.
@kamakaziozzie3038 Whether one pilot has a code or both pilots have codes is irrelevant. The hijacking risk arises from anyone outside the cockpit having the ability to enter without the permission of the pilot/co-pilot already inside. That's why the co-pilot was able to override the pilot's emergency entry code. The one inside the cockpit is the one who ultimately gets to decide who enters. Requiring two people inside the cockpit at all times does help, but someone determined enough could physically remove that 2nd person
@@jocopowell Set the cabin door to use an electronic lock and pin code. It can only be changed if both pilots enter their secret private pin (given to them) at the same time. Keypads would be too far apart for one person to reach at the same time. Once it is set it would then be impossible to lock that crewmember out. The lock mechanism would also use a battery backup to prevent it failing if power is lost. Entering your private pin would display the lock code if you were to forget it.
Pilots should be held to a strict standard, if for no reason other than the fact that they take hundreds of others' lives into their hands as their responsibility every day.
@@CrazyBear65Keep saying that. That mindset is exactly why this happened. Unrealistically strict standards for pilots who, at the end of the day, are just human. The silly notion that all pilots should be perfectly happy and with never even a hint of being mentally unwell is something no sensible person should expect out of a person. People experience events in their lives that can truly wreck them and the fact that the current standards for pilots basically says to "put up or shut up" is only going to continue to ensure these events continue. No pilot will risk their entire career by seeking mental health measures if they're expected to not have any in the first place.
@@Kai-vo5zqexactly people get so brainwashed thinking the human body and brain is a machine being at the top of your game doesn't last more than 20 or 40 years for most
This is one of the most disturbing episodes of the airline disasters. Especially as it appears they all knew they were doomed. They should NEVER rescind the 2 pilot rule!!
@@cchris874 my partner took her own life 12 years ago this March. I’m sympathetic to the suicidal ideations of this ill man. What I can’t justify on any level is him taking others with him. Do we condone or rationalize serial killers because they’re psychotic? No.
@@bennettprice3968 I think it really depends on the case. This sounded to me like a man who had a transient break from reality, and was constantly seeking help, seeing doctor after doctor.. So that might be contrasted to a garden variety serial killer, if there is such a thing. Of course it's perverse to justify what he did, and I'm certainly not saying that. But I'd also say that "common sense morality" may be quite overdue for an update. It's also perverse to blame someone for actions they truly have no control over. Maybe that's the real question. I am very sorry for your loss.
@@bennettprice3968 Unfortunately a psychotic person can't control their actions any more than a suicidal person. They both have a mental disorder that they did not ask for. They are a victim of it, and it is frightening to think about, but any us would do the exact same things if we had their issues. And yes, I'm afraid the same goes for serial killers.....and everyone else. I am sorry to hear about your partner.
How could there not be a special code known only to the captain to unlock the door from the outside? What if both pilots for some reason get locked out of the cockpit? No way to get in so let the plane crash? I know there is likely a protocol that says never leave the cockpit empty. But what if the captain passed out or something and the first officer leaves the cockpit to render aid and the door closes behind him locking them both out? I know they made those doors very strong after 9/11 to prevent hijackers from getting in so it's not surprising that the captain couldn't break the door open with the axe. But Jesus.....I am blown away by the inability for the captain to be able to access the cockpit. There needs to be some kind of emergency protocol. Maybe a special code nobody on the plane knows so a call to the airline HQ with an emergency request for some master code to open the door? Seems a 2 minute call from the flight attendants station to HQ to request a special emergency code would have saved the plane.
A simple deadbolt type lock when in the locked position prevents an open door from being closed. The door has to be closed and only after it is closed can it be locked.
I saw a different take on this accident that said there is a code, but it can be denied by those in the cockpit in case of things like a terrorist situation/civilian trying to gain access to cockpit. If I'm recalling correctly in this situation, the pilot tried and was denied access, which is even more horrific.
The doctor not reporting his illness is not a failure of the medical system. It was the failure of the doctor to be a decent human being. The system did not allow that copilot to fly the doctor did. People should take responsibility for their decisions in life and not blame inanimate things like the system.
So for the first time he did this, why wasn't the altitude adjustment not picked up by the airlines? No questions to the pilot as to why he had down that?
I will say this again committing suicide is one thing but bringing innocent people with you to the grave is just despicable. There is no empathy for the FO but for the Captain, crew, and passengers they didn’t deserve it. After that tragedy and mourning pilots in Germany would start by saying something along the lines of we will get to our destination safe and sound, we want to see our families and loved ones. I heard from the FO’s father is that he still doesn’t accept that his son was suicidal, even with all the evidence. This case had me in tears for everyone except FO. He is a monster for ending the lives of the innocent and they were children on board which makes it even sadder. RIP for the innocent and to their families.🕊️🕊️
@@echo5delta I've watched on flights where a FA will go into the cockpit when one of the pilots steps out. So I guess many airlines still observe this protocol.
I agree with you. Pilots should be able to have access back into the cockpit if this pilot had this choice he may have been able to save the life's of everyone. And I understand privacy with patients, but they know that there job can cause loss of lives they need to informed their employer. HR. And not just tell them not to do it. Like this last dr did. This guy had some real medical issues and should been in a hospital not flying a plane. This is so sad that all these individuals loss their lives because of him. I can't imagine what these poor people felt except fear in the last few minutes. May they RIP.
Ah, yes...a prime example of a safety feature endangering innocents. A thing which, sadly, doesn't merely affect aviation, but all areas of life. I dunno if I should be disgusted or disappointed that we keep getting these events and don't learn from them.
If you listen closely the co-pilot suggested to the pilot that he should take a bathroom break. He said that to get the pilot out of the cabin so he can do his diabolical plan. It is very subtle and it worked.
He was a mass murderer but I wouldn’t call him a terrorist as there was no political or ideological element to his horrible crime. He didn’t do this to promote any sort of cause. God alone knows why he did it.
@PerfectInterview Yeah, only GOD knows why he did it. God is not going to judge him based on his color, religion, nationality, and political ideology, either. He committed a terrorist act period. Is it because he doesn't have a Middle Eastern name or background that you labeled him a mass murderer?. Check Timothy McVeigh, and i bet he was also a "mass murderer".
Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the last time this type of tragedy occurred. Just two years later, the pilot of Silk Air Flight 185 deliberately crashed the Boeing 737-400 he was flying into a jungle river in central Indonesia killing himself and 102 others.
It wasn't the first, either. Egypt Air 990 in 1999 killed 217 people on board when the FO crashed it into the ocean. Similar to the Silk Air crash, the Egyptians deny it but the NTSB made it very clear that both crashes were deliberate.
Mandatory air-marshalls If a pilot needs to leave the cockpit An air-marshall MUST take his place in the cockpit Stand (not sit) in the vacated chair And wait until the pilot returns Then allow pilot to enter Then air-marshall exits That, would have stopped this This, could happen again There should NEVER be a solo pilot, in the cockpit. Period Lives are at stake
We had a high school German exchange student scheduled to come to us. After this tragedy, with the group of exchange students dying, she decided not to come.
I know there's a stigma about folks in aviation seeking help, so very many (sadly)don't pursue it. But seems like this guy DID. How did that not raise ANY red flags? There's some very important questions raised here. I have some depression and anxiety issues, but I'd never, EVER risk another individuals safety. I can't even fathom what would bring somebody to decide to end the lives of even one life. Hundreds?? How was his state of mind not reported to ANY authority? Makes no sense.
This might never have been prevented. However, if he wasn't prescribed some psychiatric drug he might have considered himself to sick to fly until he got well.
And the number 180 was written on his chest if you take out the three in the number on his chest when he’s running 180 again that is a pre-concern notion and warning number of death
This crash is mainly the responsibility of Lufthansa and the German LBA/ EASA allowing a cockpit to be occupied by one person. This is what killed all the innocent people. Stop blaming the mental health of the F/O. As a frequent traveler at that time I witnessed this behavior endless times, where one pilot was hanging out in the galley leaving the cockpit only occupied by a single pilot. Unacceptable !!! US airlines always have a flight attendant stepping into the cockpit before a pilot steps out for a restroom visit.
I've watched this one before but I'll watch it one more time this one is probably the most disturbing even more so than terrorism at least you know what is going on in that case here you just have......... When you become an airline pilot you lose your right to privacy. I have no more respect for these so-called physicians than I do for the family of this individual.
@@JASONCIRONE-kp4xr Our brains are just so fragile. Take care of yourself. Everyone needs kindness and TLC, and we are not very good at giving those things to ourselves.
When we don't put God 1st in ones life a shooting, plane crash terrorist or whatever will continue to occur. Apart from God we can do nothing. Confidentiality is fine to s point but when it covers up a crime it needs to be taken away. We try so hard to put blame on someone or deal with problems our way, man's way without looking to God in how to deal with the world's problems. We think we can deal with the problems our way and not having God tell us how to live. Again, apart from God man can do nothing right. He Jesus is real and only by His standards can we combat depression, kids killing each other, killing parents. Teacher's having sex with students and so on. Apart from God we will continue to see a deterioration of families, society and evil will reign in many areas. Hopefully not but there's a chance another disturbed pilot will crash another plane. Put God 1st one's life. Believe in Him. Trust in him and turn away from the evil we allow in society. God 1st.
@@mikeh.7499 We seem to think we can make things better for whatever situation if we come up with this idea or that program for the problems of the world. I agree the medical field, world need to hold people accountable and let others know when a person is having thoughts of harming others and themselves. But they also need to look to God in how to deal with the problems. In the bible Steven I believe was having stomach issues and Paul said drink some wine meaning don't just pray but take some medicine. But whatever the situation, problem we need to look to God, believe in Him, trust Him and have faith He can help us man deal with the problems of the world. But man wants to ignore God and try to do things his way and world will continue to have these and other problems. Until Christ comes back we will never have real true peace but if man looks to God we can have less problems or pockets of peace so to say and we will see God's hand at work. Hold people accountable where need to be and be consistent.
Why is this reposted? Its years old and we have better regulations and tech now no reasons for this Mayday to be reposted again if it was famous the first time
The yf-23 had a faster supercruise. Had a longer range. It met all the requirements and exceeded many of them. Reducing the heat signature just as in the B2 Aunt the b21 raider. If anybody looks at the 6th Gen. Aircrafts they will see that instilled in them. Employed emulated. The Sam is looking for that and if you can create an aircraft with the space shuttle tiles, yes it will take maintenance. All they had to do was add canards to the end or the tips of their wings. Not the front as in Euro style. It was nothing more than backdoor lobbying and inside trading that made the raptor and the billions of dollars in which it cost per unit. That made it extinct before it flew as the F-22 raptor. A total Fleet is good. Then you have parts to replace. When you have to scavenge off another aircraft to fix another then you have to rebuild the part that you stole from Peter to pay. Paul. Totally ridiculous. Japan was supposed to get the yf-23 also, it's run up in as many as they were going to order. The gray ghost and the Black widow would have been 30% cheaper than paying the billion dollars of stopping a 50 acre inside building the raptors. Civil contractors have a clause that when they invest millions close to a billion dollars to set up a Ford concept and proven build as the aircraft moves along in building each aircraft in its specific stages. They cut the order by more than 75%, so that gives the civil contractor to collect on the clause of well over $2 billion. I really believe civil Congress should not have total authority and they flexed their might and powers to be to keep the dod in check. But when Congress does that all they're doing is flushing down the toilet. The billions of dollars just because things get a little hard. The Ford class between the power plant, cats and traps. They were ready to scrap that. Building our carriers and ships and modular form is a expedited way of building and in fact it makes it even stronger. Congress has flushed so many billions of dollars that they are the cause of the trillion dollar debt. Not excluding the zumwalt class where it's just cruising around. There's supposed to be a total of 3. Still there's only one thus far. Every state should think their congressman for that. I don't believe That congressman should have total control over DOD assets and ordinance. When it comes, time to fight and for war. We the people will pay the hard way. Concepts are proven beyond any reasonable doubt. It's just a little difficult at times. When you don't meet a timeline for a congressman then he gathers with his buddies and say let's do this. Let's shove it to the dod. Make the Lost the dod's problem and make it their fault. It took years for the Ford to get online for the concept and it can also handle 4 of the new railguns with its new power plant. I do believe the yf-23 had it all and I believe one of the biggest problems it had was the military magazine had already named it the Black widow because of a aerial shot where maintenance had painted a head hazard and it looks similar to a widow. Just like the F-16 fighting falcon commonly known as the viper. The military hates it, especially the USAF. I believe that was the total turning point of the yf23. Just that simple. The usaf did not want the public naming their aircrafts. They can't stand the F-16 being called the viper. Grown ass children and back door deals is all that it came down to. Wish everybody a wonderful weekend and please take care of yourself 🕊️🕊️🕊️
First start with your laws in Germany your liberal laws. The doctors can be prosecuted in any normal Nation they would be prosecuted but more than that you guys wanted to make the cockpit safe so you have that door but you never called you that both pilots should have had a clicker in their pocket that would automatically open the door did you not think of this I mean a 5-year-old could think of this
As soon as he told him this is your chance to go to the bathroom because he was going to have his lunch afterwards as soon as he said that we all knew what he was going to do we all knew he was going to crash the plane
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what a crock to say that "oh that's private medical info". The safety of the people in the back depend upon the people in the front being competent to fly.
Lubitz had been treated for psychotic depression while taking pilot training in the US. This is a severe form of depression which can include hallucinations. Anyone suffering from such a condition should never be granted a commercial pilots license.
Yes, in his case should never have been permitted to even fly solo.
Yes, but you would probably be assailed by idiots who would claim that you are 'stigmatizing the mentally ill.'
USA even trained, im sorry to say for those who have lost loved ones, 911 pilots...so I read😢
36:46 the look on the actor's face is so real. You almost forget for a minute that he isn't REALLY the captain who has just realized it's too late to save the plane and everyone in it.
All because he went to the bathroom and got locked out with his insane murderous Co pilot at the helm. Extremely sad.
Yes, it truly was a dramatization. Very believable. Such a selfish monster, that copilot.
They made it seem so real, it’s because they want you to feel and see how they felt when they realized, nothing is left to do.
Although cowardly, if he wanted to take himself out that's on him, however, taking all those innocent people and I'm sure some children is as low as a man can go no empathy....
Agree
Agreed, here I am thinking how if I do decide to end things, I'm gonna wait for my parents to pass away first so it doesn't hurt them. Then you have people like this, or school shooters, who are so pathetic that they feel the need to take as many people with them as possible.
How ridiculous that some of these airlines reversed their decision about having two pilots in the cockpit at all times. They’re just setting the stage for something like this to happen again!
The airlines also need to look at their pilots records. This pilot’s doctor’s records were not a secret!
@@shawnaweesner3759 They were a secret if the doctors did not disclose the information to anyone.
Two *crew member,* usually with the head steward when a pilot need to step out.
But yeah, it's appalling how that policy was reverted. Not just on the airline, but on the regulating agency as well, just two years after the incident. (The agency first issued a mandate, then retracted and say "up to you", and some airline decided that means reversion).
Honestly I would have advocated for three. Because presuming a party have ill intent, they will likely have the element of surprise and more likely to win in any ensuing struggle. I mean just look at FedEx 705, it was a 3v1 and they barely made it due to the element of surprise. For passenger flight, 2v1 might be enough, as opening the door for reinforcement is a valid option(instead of having to continuously fight and struggle "alone"). But 1v1, I don't like the chances.
Set the cabin door to use an electronic lock and pin code. It can only be changed if both pilots enter their secret private pin (given to them) at the same time. Keypads would be too far apart for one person to reach at the same time. Once it is set it would then be impossible to lock that crewmember out. The lock mechanism would also use a battery backup to prevent it failing if power is lost. Entering your private pin would display the lock code if you were to forget it.
There *is* a pin code access. But it can be disabled from the cockpit (presumably in case the other pilot is held hostage and is forced to divulge).
As someone who is diagnosed bipolar and struggles with suicidal thoughts: NO ONE wants to die with you! Suicide is already selfish (argue with your mama), but to take other people with you is unconscionably self-centered.
I definitely agree but I also feel as though, he was clearly unable to realize this with how many DOCTORS he saw… so I blame the medical industry as much as I blame loose screws here. Because he clearly could not make the decision to not fly for himself so the decision needed to be made for him. 41 doctors and to still be able to fly is insane.
@@tjhouston1280 Agreed. The doctors should’ve had automatic permission to overstep his privacy boundaries when it came to the safety of others.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Such an action to take one's own life is never easy and something we can't judge them for. we aren't them and we aren't dealing with the trials they face.
However...
Taking one's life solo, and taking other people with them are completely different stories. The moment they take the life of even one other person with them leaves them fully open for judgement. The people on that plane didn't want to die that day. They had their own lives to live. That co-pilot was a coward and deserves no mercy or sympathy.
Totally agree!!! He’s a murderer
It's nonsense! If you want to take your life, do it without involving others. We can certainly judge them, and they will be judged by God!
@@hubertagamasu6283 That's what I said. Judge them only if they take the lives of others with them, if not then we can't judge them. We don't know what they're going through.
Also not everyone believes in god or the same god.
@@kirara2516exactly, we all have different beliefs, I live in Niagara Falls, literally less than a mile above the falls, if I wanted to take my life all I have to do is go for a swim, it's pretty much a one way ride, but to take a bunch of even one person with you is BS.
I understand all of your sentiments, but unfortunately any of us would have done the same thing if we had his mental condition.
There is a world of difference between someone taking their own life and someone murdering hundreds of innocent people. Unfortunately psychiatry seems unable to be able to distinguish between the two. The doctor worries about the patient harming himself but does not grasp he is dealing with a potential mass murderer.
What kind of coward knows there are children on the plane and still proceeds with this evil act ! Also what kind of company allows a person like that be responsible for hundreds of lifes!!!
Sad to say but if you had his mental condition, you would have done the same thing.
The issue is airlines ironically are overly strict with mental health procedures. Pilots feel free to chime in here, but I've heard people with mental health issues, especially if they're severe, are often told they can't fly. Apparently, if the issues persist long enough, you can even be fired over it, and have your career seriously damaged.
So the issue is a lot of people aren't gonna be transparent about the issues they're facing, because they don't want to lose their jobs.
@@themidnighttavern6784 Yes, it can't be left up the person with the mental issue. It has to be mental health professionals warning the airlines that this person should not be allowed to fly.
Transit and school busses have a camrea systems that monitor everyone even the bus drivers. You would think airline airplanes would have a camera system as well.
Unbelievable that you can't get into the cockpit as a pilot. Maybe should be set with a scanner, not a key lock.
This is the stuff of nightmares.
I'd say we should have the ability to remotely control an airplane in case of an emergency, but there would also be a hacking possibility to worry about. Idk how we could go about solving something like this
The pilot and co-pilot should not able to be locked out of the cockpit. They should each have a code, key, etc.
@@jocopowell That's a hijacking risk, apparently. The co-pilot disabled the pilot's ability to enter the cockpit from the outside
@@j.t.8685not sure that both pilots being able to open cockpit door with separate codes is any more of a hijacking risk than having only one.
Many US based airlines have found a low tech solution. If one pilot has to leave the cockpit for any reason a flight attendant must be inside prior to them departing. My sister works for United and this is their policy.
@kamakaziozzie3038 Whether one pilot has a code or both pilots have codes is irrelevant. The hijacking risk arises from anyone outside the cockpit having the ability to enter without the permission of the pilot/co-pilot already inside. That's why the co-pilot was able to override the pilot's emergency entry code. The one inside the cockpit is the one who ultimately gets to decide who enters.
Requiring two people inside the cockpit at all times does help, but someone determined enough could physically remove that 2nd person
@@jocopowell Set the cabin door to use an electronic lock and pin code. It can only be changed if both pilots enter their secret private pin (given to them) at the same time. Keypads would be too far apart for one person to reach at the same time. Once it is set it would then be impossible to lock that crewmember out. The lock mechanism would also use a battery backup to prevent it failing if power is lost. Entering your private pin would display the lock code if you were to forget it.
Every pilot should be transparent with their medical records!
Lmao they never will with the way it's setup and I don't blame them.
Pilots should be held to a strict standard, if for no reason other than the fact that they take hundreds of others' lives into their hands as their responsibility every day.
@@CrazyBear65Keep saying that. That mindset is exactly why this happened. Unrealistically strict standards for pilots who, at the end of the day, are just human. The silly notion that all pilots should be perfectly happy and with never even a hint of being mentally unwell is something no sensible person should expect out of a person. People experience events in their lives that can truly wreck them and the fact that the current standards for pilots basically says to "put up or shut up" is only going to continue to ensure these events continue. No pilot will risk their entire career by seeking mental health measures if they're expected to not have any in the first place.
@@CrazyBear65 good luck with that. at the end of the day, they're just human
@@Kai-vo5zqexactly people get so brainwashed thinking the human body and brain is a machine being at the top of your game doesn't last more than 20 or 40 years for most
If you want out, take yourself and not innocent people. How horrible.
Mechanical failure: Screw loose in brain of co-pilot.
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Biological hardware/software failure.
This is one of the most disturbing episodes of the airline disasters. Especially as it appears they all knew they were doomed. They should NEVER rescind the 2 pilot rule!!
He seen 41 doctors!?😢
and how was he still flying???
This pilots name should never be spoken. What a horrible human.
Not if it was a psychotic break beyond his control.
@@cchris874 my partner took her own life 12 years ago this March. I’m sympathetic to the suicidal ideations of this ill man. What I can’t justify on any level is him taking others with him. Do we condone or rationalize serial killers because they’re psychotic? No.
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I think it really depends on the case. This sounded to me like a man who had a transient break from reality, and was constantly seeking help, seeing doctor after doctor.. So that might be contrasted to a garden variety serial killer, if there is such a thing. Of course it's perverse to justify what he did, and I'm certainly not saying that. But I'd also say that "common sense morality" may be quite overdue for an update. It's also perverse to blame someone for actions they truly have no control over. Maybe that's the real question. I am very sorry for your loss.
@@bennettprice3968 Unfortunately a psychotic person can't control their actions any more than a suicidal person. They both have a mental disorder that they did not ask for. They are a victim of it, and it is frightening to think about, but any us would do the exact same things if we had their issues. And yes, I'm afraid the same goes for serial killers.....and everyone else. I am sorry to hear about your partner.
I don't buy psychosis. He was just pure evil.
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How could there not be a special code known only to the captain to unlock the door from the outside? What if both pilots for some reason get locked out of the cockpit? No way to get in so let the plane crash? I know there is likely a protocol that says never leave the cockpit empty. But what if the captain passed out or something and the first officer leaves the cockpit to render aid and the door closes behind him locking them both out? I know they made those doors very strong after 9/11 to prevent hijackers from getting in so it's not surprising that the captain couldn't break the door open with the axe. But Jesus.....I am blown away by the inability for the captain to be able to access the cockpit. There needs to be some kind of emergency protocol. Maybe a special code nobody on the plane knows so a call to the airline HQ with an emergency request for some master code to open the door? Seems a 2 minute call from the flight attendants station to HQ to request a special emergency code would have saved the plane.
A simple deadbolt type lock when in the locked position prevents an open door from being closed. The door has to be closed and only after it is closed can it be locked.
I saw a different take on this accident that said there is a code, but it can be denied by those in the cockpit in case of things like a terrorist situation/civilian trying to gain access to cockpit. If I'm recalling correctly in this situation, the pilot tried and was denied access, which is even more horrific.
The doctor not reporting his illness is not a failure of the medical system. It was the failure of the doctor to be a decent human being. The system did not allow that copilot to fly the doctor did. People should take responsibility for their decisions in life and not blame inanimate things like the system.
It's called patient confidentiality. They cannot report without ramifications. Unfortunately, at least in USA anyway.
So for the first time he did this, why wasn't the altitude adjustment not picked up by the airlines? No questions to the pilot as to why he had down that?
@@edzebrowski4445 It was picked up by ATC, and they called the plane several times to ask about a departure from approved altitude.
@@edzebrowski4445 If someones life is in danger they not only can report it they are obligated to report it.
Finally! I’ve been looking for this one!
I will say this again committing suicide is one thing but bringing innocent people with you to the grave is just despicable. There is no empathy for the FO but for the Captain, crew, and passengers they didn’t deserve it.
After that tragedy and mourning pilots in Germany would start by saying something along the lines of we will get to our destination safe and sound, we want to see our families and loved ones.
I heard from the FO’s father is that he still doesn’t accept that his son was suicidal, even with all the evidence. This case had me in tears for everyone except FO. He is a monster for ending the lives of the innocent and they were children on board which makes it even sadder. RIP for the innocent and to their families.🕊️🕊️
Hopefully all airlines have a code for aircrew access, in case this happens again or the pilot flying is incapacitated!
There must be two people at all times in the cockpit
@@echo5delta If they need to go to the bathroom, they can go.
@@echo5delta I've watched on flights where a FA will go into the cockpit when one of the pilots steps out. So I guess many airlines still observe this protocol.
Isn't that what he's doing at 23:05 ?
I agree with you. Pilots should be able to have access back into the cockpit if this pilot had this choice he may have been able to save the life's of everyone. And I understand privacy with patients, but they know that there job can cause loss of lives they need to informed their employer. HR. And not just tell them not to do it. Like this last dr did. This guy had some real medical issues and should been in a hospital not flying a plane. This is so sad that all these individuals loss their lives because of him. I can't imagine what these poor people felt except fear in the last few minutes. May they RIP.
Any person treated for mental health should never be even considered to get jobs that compromise the safety of others period.
It depends on what kind and the severity of the mental health issue, but yeah.
Exactly. "Mental health" is over- broad. This guy suffered from psychosis - obviously should never have a pilot license.
The issue with that argument is it's overly vague and can lead to unjust discrimination against people who've suffered from mental health issues.
That would leave many people jobless and a labor shortage, many people are not right in the head ! lol
I remember this crash and those terrorist attacks. We had visited Paris and the alps area ìn 2007. 8 years later this happened.
Ah, yes...a prime example of a safety feature endangering innocents. A thing which, sadly, doesn't merely affect aviation, but all areas of life. I dunno if I should be disgusted or disappointed that we keep getting these events and don't learn from them.
The pilot couldn’t go 2.5 hours without taking a leak?
If you listen closely the co-pilot suggested to the pilot that he should take a bathroom break. He said that to get the pilot out of the cabin so he can do his diabolical plan. It is very subtle and it worked.
@@thraintarironshield4968 diversity is strength
If this didn't work on that flight. He would have done it on the next flight.
Co-pilot probably put on one of those "soothing" water running audios.
Don’t try putting this on the captain. That’s insane.
He was a terrorist. He committed a terrorist act. Call him for who he is because he was fully aware of his actions.
He was a mass murderer but I wouldn’t call him a terrorist as there was no political or ideological element to his horrible crime. He didn’t do this to promote any sort of cause. God alone knows why he did it.
@PerfectInterview Yeah, only GOD knows why he did it. God is not going to judge him based on his color, religion, nationality, and political ideology, either. He committed a terrorist act period. Is it because he doesn't have a Middle Eastern name or background that you labeled him a mass murderer?. Check Timothy McVeigh, and i bet he was also a "mass murderer".
To be considered a terrorist, there needs to be a political or ideological motivation, that’s the classification.
@@Shortypants403 Yeah.. the Western government classifications
Pure evil.
Why cant a satellite send a signal created by the authorities which unlocks the door? That way there is a fail-safe.
Well done documentary
Why would you think that cabin pressure had anything to do with this since the aircraft was on a steady decent into the ground???
Getting down to breathable air.
Just part of the investigation. They have to weigh all options
Auto- pilot.
This is why you can't prescribe a drug for everyone on the planet you have to do real psychiatric work to help people.
Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the last time this type of tragedy occurred. Just two years later, the pilot of Silk Air Flight 185 deliberately crashed the Boeing 737-400 he was flying into a jungle river in central Indonesia killing himself and 102 others.
It wasn't the first, either. Egypt Air 990 in 1999 killed 217 people on board when the FO crashed it into the ocean. Similar to the Silk Air crash, the Egyptians deny it but the NTSB made it very clear that both crashes were deliberate.
So sad for the families. 💔🙏🌷
That is so sad...im.sorry😢❤
disturbing.
YIKES. Ignore cries for help at everyone's risk.
Chilling that he did a dry run only hours before. Cowardly act to take all these people with you.
Mandatory air-marshalls
If a pilot needs to leave the cockpit
An air-marshall MUST take his place in the cockpit
Stand (not sit) in the vacated chair
And wait until the pilot returns
Then allow pilot to enter
Then air-marshall exits
That, would have stopped this
This, could happen again
There should NEVER be a solo pilot, in the cockpit.
Period
Lives are at stake
It's only a matter of time before an air marshal goes postal.
He just crashed the plane because he was struggling with mental issues.
He had the number 180 on his chest
i never been on an plane before but seeing this i will never go one i dont want this to happend to me when i am on a plane
Do you ride in cars?
@@cchris874 yeah i have no fear of that i dont like heights another reason why i dont like planes
Scary for sure!
People today have a hard time accepting the reality of evil.
We had a high school German exchange student scheduled to come to us. After this tragedy, with the group of exchange students dying, she decided not to come.
chrisopherjb is german
Didn’t the captain smash is way into the cockpit at the very last minute too? How terrible :(
He tried to break down the door with a crash axe, but it was useless. The door was too sturdy.
I know there's a stigma about folks in aviation seeking help, so very many (sadly)don't pursue it. But seems like this guy DID. How did that not raise ANY red flags? There's some very important questions raised here.
I have some depression and anxiety issues, but I'd never, EVER risk another individuals safety. I can't even fathom what would bring somebody to decide to end the lives of even one life. Hundreds?? How was his state of mind not reported to ANY authority? Makes no sense.
very sad
The brain is the most horrible weapon.
This might never have been prevented. However, if he wasn't prescribed some psychiatric drug he might have considered himself to sick to fly until he got well.
Good thing that in the US investigators and courts order the right to fully investigate everyone involved when it comes to these matters
Terrible to do this to others n fam
It’s bad enough you want to off your self, but why take innocent people with you?
Treatment for mental health is still primitive. Many illnesses peak
around age 25. Drugs do affect vision in unstable ways.
Antidepressants don't really help sometimes I know firsthand what they do they can make depression worse.
And the number 180 was written on his chest if you take out the three in the number on his chest when he’s running 180 again that is a pre-concern notion and warning number of death
Wait what?
Reupload. Saw. this one over a year ago...
They are all re-uploads
Yeah it’s too bad that there aren’t crashes every day so there’s constantly new episodes
@@distemic Blancolirio channel has entered the chat
This crash is mainly the responsibility of Lufthansa and the German LBA/ EASA allowing a cockpit to be occupied by one person. This is what killed all the innocent people. Stop blaming the mental health of the F/O. As a frequent traveler at that time I witnessed this behavior endless times, where one pilot was hanging out in the galley leaving the cockpit only occupied by a single pilot. Unacceptable !!! US airlines always have a flight attendant stepping into the cockpit before a pilot steps out for a restroom visit.
The guy had been treated for psychosis!
Co-pilot: thank you, made my dream come true
Pilot: flying a plane?
Co-pilot: not dying alone 😅
oof, savage af
I blame his Doctor's .
Still this Case is needed all Fact n everything else to explain why?
The copilot picture of him running has the number 1380 take out the 3 that’s the death number 180
Yeah. As long as you can just add or subtract a digit here and there, you can make anything mean anything. Sometimes a number is just a number.
I've watched this one before but I'll watch it one more time this one is probably the most disturbing even more so than terrorism at least you know what is going on in that case here you just have.........
When you become an airline pilot you lose your right to privacy. I have no more respect for these so-called physicians than I do for the family of this individual.
Didn’t the aircraft have a transponder????
That is how they tracked the altitude.
as if doctors don't make mistakes.
Why did he fly if he had mental health issues
Because he had mental health issues.
@@jocopowell bro just broke the laws of the universe
@@jocopowell 🤯
@@Androm3daShortz i knew right away i have mental illinses myself not to that point
@@JASONCIRONE-kp4xr Our brains are just so fragile. Take care of yourself. Everyone needs kindness and TLC, and we are not very good at giving those things to ourselves.
What is 350 knots in mph
402
sucide misson the co piliot was on he did on purpose
Still the devil's Guy Yes explain the rest of the Fact on all the reasons please? Thank you
The gemtalmane who has the "Teddt Bear"" knows ::(
All airplanes must now have three pilots.
They use to have that, computers changed it.
The FAA wants ONE pilot. Smh
An enemy from within!
That's pretty much what severe mental illness is.
The A320 as aseruios Flaw
IM NOT TELING
Okay you can't be making this thumbnail but when it's me? Dírame
germany is at fualt for allowing him to pilot
I hate how they re title the same video and pass it off as a new episode 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡
When we don't put God 1st in ones life a shooting, plane crash terrorist or whatever will continue to occur. Apart from God we can do nothing. Confidentiality is fine to s point but when it covers up a crime it needs to be taken away. We try so hard to put blame on someone or deal with problems our way, man's way without looking to God in how to deal with the world's problems. We think we can deal with the problems our way and not having God tell us how to live. Again, apart from God man can do nothing right. He Jesus is real and only by His standards can we combat depression, kids killing each other, killing parents. Teacher's having sex with students and so on. Apart from God we will continue to see a deterioration of families, society and evil will reign in many areas. Hopefully not but there's a chance another disturbed pilot will crash another plane. Put God 1st one's life. Believe in Him. Trust in him and turn away from the evil we allow in society. God 1st.
well said there Sean,before reading your comment I prayed for the father at the beginning who lost daughter/family.Take care everyone.
@@mikeh.7499 We seem to think we can make things better for whatever situation if we come up with this idea or that program for the problems of the world. I agree the medical field, world need to hold people accountable and let others know when a person is having thoughts of harming others and themselves. But they also need to look to God in how to deal with the problems. In the bible Steven I believe was having stomach issues and Paul said drink some wine meaning don't just pray but take some medicine. But whatever the situation, problem we need to look to God, believe in Him, trust Him and have faith He can help us man deal with the problems of the world. But man wants to ignore God and try to do things his way and world will continue to have these and other problems. Until Christ comes back we will never have real true peace but if man looks to God we can have less problems or pockets of peace so to say and we will see God's hand at work. Hold people accountable where need to be and be consistent.
Why is this reposted? Its years old and we have better regulations and tech now no reasons for this Mayday to be reposted again if it was famous the first time
They repost accidents from decades ago. All of the accidents have been addressed. It is part of flight and flight safety history.
@@SuperLordHawHaw Thanks man
There's *SO MANY REASONS* not to fly these days!
I'll *_NEVER_* fly again.
The yf-23 had a faster supercruise. Had a longer range. It met all the requirements and exceeded many of them. Reducing the heat signature just as in the B2 Aunt the b21 raider. If anybody looks at the 6th Gen. Aircrafts they will see that instilled in them. Employed emulated. The Sam is looking for that and if you can create an aircraft with the space shuttle tiles, yes it will take maintenance. All they had to do was add canards to the end or the tips of their wings. Not the front as in Euro style. It was nothing more than backdoor lobbying and inside trading that made the raptor and the billions of dollars in which it cost per unit. That made it extinct before it flew as the F-22 raptor. A total Fleet is good. Then you have parts to replace. When you have to scavenge off another aircraft to fix another then you have to rebuild the part that you stole from Peter to pay. Paul. Totally ridiculous. Japan was supposed to get the yf-23 also, it's run up in as many as they were going to order. The gray ghost and the Black widow would have been 30% cheaper than paying the billion dollars of stopping a 50 acre inside building the raptors. Civil contractors have a clause that when they invest millions close to a billion dollars to set up a Ford concept and proven build as the aircraft moves along in building each aircraft in its specific stages. They cut the order by more than 75%, so that gives the civil contractor to collect on the clause of well over $2 billion. I really believe civil Congress should not have total authority and they flexed their might and powers to be to keep the dod in check. But when Congress does that all they're doing is flushing down the toilet. The billions of dollars just because things get a little hard. The Ford class between the power plant, cats and traps. They were ready to scrap that. Building our carriers and ships and modular form is a expedited way of building and in fact it makes it even stronger. Congress has flushed so many billions of dollars that they are the cause of the trillion dollar debt. Not excluding the zumwalt class where it's just cruising around. There's supposed to be a total of 3. Still there's only one thus far. Every state should think their congressman for that. I don't believe That congressman should have total control over DOD assets and ordinance. When it comes, time to fight and for war. We the people will pay the hard way. Concepts are proven beyond any reasonable doubt. It's just a little difficult at times. When you don't meet a timeline for a congressman then he gathers with his buddies and say let's do this. Let's shove it to the dod. Make the Lost the dod's problem and make it their fault. It took years for the Ford to get online for the concept and it can also handle 4 of the new railguns with its new power plant. I do believe the yf-23 had it all and I believe one of the biggest problems it had was the military magazine had already named it the Black widow because of a aerial shot where maintenance had painted a head hazard and it looks similar to a widow. Just like the F-16 fighting falcon commonly known as the viper. The military hates it, especially the USAF. I believe that was the total turning point of the yf23. Just that simple. The usaf did not want the public naming their aircrafts. They can't stand the F-16 being called the viper.
Grown ass children and back door deals is all that it came down to.
Wish everybody a wonderful weekend and please take care of yourself 🕊️🕊️🕊️
First start with your laws in Germany your liberal laws. The doctors can be prosecuted in any normal Nation they would be prosecuted but more than that you guys wanted to make the cockpit safe so you have that door but you never called you that both pilots should have had a clicker in their pocket that would automatically open the door did you not think of this I mean a 5-year-old could think of this
I pray for all who perished and their families, Jesus bless them all. Your tears will be wiped away with Jesus!
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Why a New York Times reporter? I do not trust them.
in this case i dont blame him for crashing it he wasnt thinking straight he had very serious mental issuses
Perhaps he ddn’t zign ze paperz….!
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Ever since I flew back from PA I've been obsessed with this show 😂
I bet it was Jihadis. The pilots dad is right
A German mass murderer?! You don't say...
As soon as he told him this is your chance to go to the bathroom because he was going to have his lunch afterwards as soon as he said that we all knew what he was going to do we all knew he was going to crash the plane
Great pottrait. Story ..of a Demon on earth .and we try to give that excuses. And call it something other then what it realy is.