Il Maestro Pollini è unodei più grandi pianisti contemporanei, a livello mondiale. Sono stata a due dei suoi ultimi concerti alla Scala e saranno per me indimenticabili. Lunga vita a queste grandi persone
I've listened to the ballade live, and what impressed me is what to other ears appears as rushing through the piece, and I lived as the titanic effort to "condense" the structure, going directly and full of tense to the topical keys of it. This effort left aside many oasis of beauty we are used to listen to during the flowing of the piece, but let your mind concentrate on a sharper "vision" of the sense of it.
La ballata in sol minore e in fa minore sono i brani per pianoforte più belli che siano mai stati composti, e qui Pollini suona la prima magistralmente. Grande.
Secondo me tu stavi con l'mp3 nelle orecchie e probabilmente ascoltavi la tua registrazione della prima ballata quando hai commentato questo video! Non sbaglia una nota, le dinamiche sono rispettate tutte e dietro c'è tanto sentimento...e ricordiamo che ci sono 5000 spettatori...Pollini è Pollini! Insieme alla Argerich (e secondo me anche la Lisitsa) uno dei pianisti più grandi al mondo dei giorni nostri
Thanks so much for saying this, and so well. Many comments on great piano performances on this site are pure pabulum, but you really GET it. Pollini is a 'pure' pianist, perhaps the most oriented towards objectivity that ever recorded. And Richter, who is a very different animal, produced more 'definitive' interpretations than any other pianist. It seems ridiculous to dislike either of them, let alone both.
He became really furious while his hands and arms are still extremely relaxed... how could he do that? Pollini is the pianist that play live performances much better than his CDs recordings
МЫ были на этом концерте ! Поллини играл как всегда прекрасно.. может слегка волновался. Второе отделение были прелюдии Дебюсси[первая тетрадь]-изумительно хорошо!
Pollini è uno tra i più grandi pianisti di sempre ,ma il finale suonato così non rientra nel modo in cui i grandi come lui sanno fare, sembra che chi arriva prima vince
fantastique interprétation puissance et fougue, quelle sonorité du Pollini quelle âme !!! mauvais plein de bruits , des toux, des craquements !!! il arrive quand mème à jouer dans ce lieu !!! au théatre des champs Elysées ( 1983 ) c'était plus agréable ! dans ce lieu de choix !!! quelle éclat et quelle vigueur , implacable dans les grands traits quelle virtuosité !! le piano est pourri ! la fin est belle , la coda parfaite et revient vers cette fin éclaboussante
It is sooooo easy for all these people to post all kinds of negative comments while sitting comfortably behind their screens... For sure the best people to judge a pianist and his performance.
Marianne North Anyone can make a musical judgment on a performance. One MUST look at the comment ITSELF and NOT who made it. If it were someone of great success and importance like Barenboim, Bernstein(I know hes dead) or even Rubenstein, no one would probably question their comments or thoughts. But don't you think there are others in the world who can see the same things in someone's playing???? Dont be absurd, of course there are. You merely dislike the fact that ordinary well-trained musicians can actually tell the difference as well because they are not FAMOUS. If a comment has merit independent of it's author, then it will be apparent and should not be dismissed based on it's authorship.
Hmm... a couple things: the audio quality here is horrendous, making it hard to hear any type of tone--which can make or brake a performance for Pollini. Phrasing from what I can hear of it is mixed for me... sometimes good, sometimes not. Albeit old (but masterly!), my favorite performance is the one by Hofmann. There are plenty of other excellent ones on RUclips though. BTW, thanks for pointing the Francois recording. I'm subscribed to its poster and I didn't even know he posted it!
Maurio Pollini è un grandissimo pianista, certamente uno dei pianisti pià importanti degli ultimi 50 anni, ma il suo stile è spesso controverso e lui personalmente non il massimo della simpatia ... penso che i "non mi piace" vadano letti così, almenoi in parte ...
@marcelmombeekpiano recall your opinion about Richter, you just gotta be kidding, thats nonsense...Richter was a musical genius and he didnt just mess around with his technique like Cziffra or Hamelin.
@ritarelli Infattiiiiiii,basta con queste esecuzioni piene di inutile ostentazione di mezzi pianistici vetusti e di una visione musicale sentita e risentita!!!
@musicist001 Zimerman ha tenacemente rifiutato, da moltissimi anni, di far parte delle giurie dei concorsi ritenendoli inutili nella selezione e promozione dell'autentico talento. La Argerich invece è spesso membro delle stesse giurie di grandi concorsi internazionali come il Chopin di Varsavia...
Cosa avresti contro Valentina Lisitsa? Pollini è un Dio del pianoforte, le sue interpretazione di chopin sono inconfondibili e uniche, ma la Lisitsa mi fa rabbrividire! é virtuosismo allo stato puro! e credo k probabilmente tecnicamente sia superiore a Pollini, anche se il resto delle sue doti lo rende insuperabile! X me Lisitsa è sullo stesso piano delle Argerich!
Vero, Anuli 90, ma il problema e' che non si puo' proprio metterla alla stregua dei veri giganti (Horowitz,Richter, Gilels,Lipatti, Michelangeli, Gould etc etc) i quali sono pianisti molto piu' completi, sia tecnicamente sia musicalmente.Lisitsa non saprebbe suonare un pianissimo come Horowitz,avere l'uguaglianza e controllo di un Michelangeli, dare senso ad una Hammerklavier come Gilels, ne' ha la musicalita' di nessuno di loro.Ammetto pero'che vado in visibilio quando suona il 39 n.6 di Rach!
I need someone explains me what is remarkable in this interpretation. I hear ridiculous explosions of sound, the logics of the rythmic beat withering the poetry, the perfection of the pianistic technique making the picture black & white, whereas pianists such as Richter, Horowitz, Rubinstein etc have millions colors under their fingers. But Pollini is a great pianist and the problem is not him, but my stupid ears! Please explain me what is great in this execution (ancor meglio se in italiano).
È inutile spiegartelo. Ma non perché tu sia stupido, musicalmente ignorante o sordo, ma perché semplicemente hai gusti diversi da coloro (incluso me) che considerano questa interpretazione straordinaria, quindi sarebbe una perdita di tempo per entrambi cercare di cambiare i tuoi gusti.
@marcelmombeekpiano With messing around I more meant that Cziffra and Hamelin were extreme show offs in technique. Richter only used his amazing technique if the music led him to do so, listen to his ballades for example. I agree with you, I also love Cziffra....mainly in D flat major Hungarian Rhapsody Otherwise, I agree with you on your opinion on Pollini....Spiritless
Pollini follows the goddamn score to closely. He has been noted for that for many years. This performance is perfect which is why it's not a very good one. Music should be flexible.
no poum poum !!! mais des basses extraordinaires qu'il faut faire sonner sur ce piano pourri dans une salle mauvaise à l'accoustique , avec un écho , et des bruits du public !!!
Zo hoort ge 't in de conservatoria, he: noten en noten, niks expressie. Waar is de verfijnde poëzie in deze sublieme muzikale schepping ??! Een groot, wereldberoemd Italiaans pianist zei me ooit: "Pollini is cold and has always been cold." Gegroet, G. Dehoux.
The audio on this recording is terrible, which makes me laugh at all the dissenting comments from the Peanut Gallery, below, about Pollini's place as one of the true greats of the piano literature over the span of his lifetime. They are judging Pollini's playing based on an *extremely* poor and flawed audio representation of the performance. Seriously, judging ANYONE from an audio recording this poorly done is to define the critic as a dunce, at the very least. Not of of these so-called "critics" could hold a candle to Polllni, so who are they to judge?
dozzinale! le mani vanno ma..dietro c'è la testa?o c'è solo consuetudine,"abitudine da palcoscenico" ? bruttissimo(quello che dovrebbe essere)il crescendo che porta a 3:49,idem 6:36 non c'è ansia,non ci sono le note intermedie che crescono,non ci sono le pause che creano attesa.. e da 3:46 non c'è l'esplosione di grandiosa gioia,dove sono le ottave che crescono,le suona tutte uguali.dov'è il 4:33 "scherzando"? un pezzo estremamente complesso e raffinato suonato senza raffinatezza.
i agree your opinion ! ok the piano is horrible !!! la salle a une détestable accoustique !!! le public est bruyant !!! cocours reine elizabeth LISZT SONATE by Boris Giltburg piano ! amazing interprétation
I'm 200% sure that Chopin wouldn't have played it like Pollini did. Pollini played it in a more Russian way than Chopin's Polish/French way of playing (delicat and poetic). This is not to discuss.
Da Chopin die Musik sehr dramatisch komponiert hat, ist es doch nur logisch, davon auszugehen, dass er sie auch selbst dramatisch gespielt hätte. Der Satz: "This is not to discuss" ist bestenfalls mit kindlicher Ahnungslosigkeit zu entschuldigen, andernfalls mit Überheblichkeit zu erklären.
+Kasper Larsen I am 200% sure that no one can say how chopin was playing, especially people who think his playing was only delicate and poetic. For example, today, chopin is played far slower : you can try the tempi he indicates on his studies, you will be surprise how fast they are. Moreover chopin was admiring liszt playing, and one can suppose that it was a more Russian than french style. So Polini is perfectly right, and his interpretation is just perfect !
Kasper Larsen No nuances at all. Like a bull in a China shop. And it doesnt matter whether or not anyone KNOWS how Chopin actually sounded. There are aspects of the music which, my their very nature inform us as performers as to how it should sound in a general way. This performance, while technically very good if pretty far outside the the box musically
Il Maestro Pollini è unodei più grandi pianisti contemporanei, a livello mondiale. Sono stata a due dei suoi ultimi concerti alla Scala e saranno per me indimenticabili. Lunga vita a queste grandi persone
I've listened to the ballade live, and what impressed me is what to other ears appears as rushing through the piece, and I lived as the titanic effort to "condense" the structure, going directly and full of tense to the topical keys of it. This effort left aside many oasis of beauty we are used to listen to during the flowing of the piece, but let your mind concentrate on a sharper "vision" of the sense of it.
Bravo
La ballata in sol minore e in fa minore sono i brani per pianoforte più belli che siano mai stati composti, e qui Pollini suona la prima magistralmente. Grande.
His approach has brought out beautifully the revolutionary and firey side of chopin
I heard him play Chopin when I was in college.It is only recently that I discovered him on you tube.It's a dream come true.Heavenly music
Secondo me tu stavi con l'mp3 nelle orecchie e probabilmente ascoltavi la tua registrazione della prima ballata quando hai commentato questo video! Non sbaglia una nota, le dinamiche sono rispettate tutte e dietro c'è tanto sentimento...e ricordiamo che ci sono 5000 spettatori...Pollini è Pollini! Insieme alla Argerich (e secondo me anche la Lisitsa) uno dei pianisti più grandi al mondo dei giorni nostri
Thanks so much for saying this, and so well. Many comments on great piano performances on this site are pure pabulum, but you really GET it. Pollini is a 'pure' pianist, perhaps the most oriented towards objectivity that ever recorded. And Richter, who is a very different animal, produced more 'definitive' interpretations than any other pianist. It seems ridiculous to dislike either of them, let alone both.
mi chiedo chi siano le 26 persone che non hanno gradito la grandezza del Maestro Pollini...
WOW!!! Amazing energy on an old war-horse piece.
He became really furious while his hands and arms are still extremely relaxed... how could he do that?
Pollini is the pianist that play live performances much better than his CDs recordings
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МЫ были на этом концерте ! Поллини играл как всегда прекрасно.. может слегка волновался. Второе отделение были прелюдии Дебюсси[первая тетрадь]-изумительно хорошо!
absolutely loved that performance! Near flawless...heck, probably was flawless lol
Pollini è uno tra i più grandi pianisti di sempre ,ma il finale suonato così non rientra nel modo in cui i grandi come lui sanno fare, sembra che chi arriva prima vince
Simply magical xx
fantastique interprétation
puissance et fougue, quelle sonorité
du Pollini quelle âme !!!
mauvais plein de bruits , des toux, des craquements !!!
il arrive quand mème à jouer dans ce lieu !!!
au théatre des champs Elysées ( 1983 ) c'était plus agréable ! dans ce lieu de choix !!!
quelle éclat et quelle vigueur , implacable dans les grands traits
quelle virtuosité !! le piano est pourri !
la fin est belle , la coda parfaite et revient vers cette fin éclaboussante
un grande pianista interpreta benissimo e ha Cuore.
Composición e intérprete MAGNIFICOS !! Gracias.❤
Powerful rendering
semplicemente fantastico, nonostante la pessima registrazione
It is sooooo easy for all these people to post all kinds of negative comments while sitting comfortably behind their screens... For sure the best people to judge a pianist and his performance.
Marianne North Anyone can make a musical judgment on a performance. One MUST look at the comment ITSELF and NOT who made it. If it were someone of great success and importance like Barenboim, Bernstein(I know hes dead) or even Rubenstein, no one would probably question their comments or thoughts. But don't you think there are others in the world who can see the same things in someone's playing???? Dont be absurd, of course there are. You merely dislike the fact that ordinary well-trained musicians can actually tell the difference as well because they are not FAMOUS. If a comment has merit independent of it's author, then it will be apparent and should not be dismissed based on it's authorship.
Wow he's a geniuis
He certainly holds his own as a great living pianist.
Grande rispetto per un grandissimo pianista come Pollini anche se questa interpretazione non è tra le sue migliori...
Faboulously intense
Thank you
Lisitsa...virtuosismo incredibile! alcuni studi di Rachmaninov interpretati da lei lasciano a bocca aperta...
greatest pianist
...eccezionale Maestro!
tears
He is playing for the Russians - bold and brilliant to their taste.
In fact, I can compare this version only with other 20-25 ones.....and, as you tell, I've no ear. But thank you.
Grandissimo
camera quality, bad.....performance? amazing
Epic
La Lisitsa e' una macchinetta lasciate perdere,la argerich e' su un altro pianeta come espressione.
Ah, ok....different tastes=no ear.
Now I know this, thank you.
Hofmann.....ever wonderful. You have good taste. Hear at Hofmannand Francois version of
Chopin nocturne 48-1: nobody else (IMHO) at their level. Bye.
Hmm... a couple things: the audio quality here is horrendous, making it hard to hear any type of tone--which can make or brake a performance for Pollini. Phrasing from what I can hear of it is mixed for me... sometimes good, sometimes not.
Albeit old (but masterly!), my favorite performance is the one by Hofmann. There are plenty of other excellent ones on RUclips though.
BTW, thanks for pointing the Francois recording. I'm subscribed to its poster and I didn't even know he posted it!
Maurio Pollini è un grandissimo pianista, certamente uno dei pianisti pià importanti degli ultimi 50 anni, ma il suo stile è spesso controverso e lui personalmente non il massimo della simpatia ... penso che i "non mi piace" vadano letti così, almenoi in parte ...
I think he is the performer of this piece, no?
Who stole the Introduction?
ne convengo alla grande
@marcelmombeekpiano recall your opinion about Richter, you just gotta be kidding, thats nonsense...Richter was a musical genius and he didnt just mess around with his technique like Cziffra or Hamelin.
@ritarelli Infattiiiiiii,basta con queste esecuzioni piene di inutile ostentazione di mezzi pianistici vetusti e di una visione musicale sentita e risentita!!!
@musicist001 Zimerman ha tenacemente rifiutato, da moltissimi anni, di far parte delle giurie dei concorsi ritenendoli inutili nella selezione e promozione dell'autentico talento. La Argerich invece è spesso membro delle stesse giurie di grandi concorsi internazionali come il Chopin di Varsavia...
exactly the same what I mean, jjp009 !!!!
needs just a touch more perfume, otherwise wonderful.
@musicist001 Bravo, benissimo, ma non capisco cosa c'entri Pollini. In che senso è in ballo Pollini?
Cosa avresti contro Valentina Lisitsa? Pollini è un Dio del pianoforte, le sue interpretazione di chopin sono inconfondibili e uniche, ma la Lisitsa mi fa rabbrividire! é virtuosismo allo stato puro! e credo k probabilmente tecnicamente sia superiore a Pollini, anche se il resto delle sue doti lo rende insuperabile! X me Lisitsa è sullo stesso piano delle Argerich!
I wasn't being insulting, I just meant that perhaps you aren't too well-versed in this kind of music.
Why Pollini plays always in a rush?? I admire him for years but from one time to now,getting older,he has become an unknow Pollini. What happened?
ALEX GUMÀ agree with you.
Meglio FouTs'ong di Pollini.. per quanto riguarda questa esecuzione.
suono dà cannoni
non si capisce niente con sta acustica da chiesa,e' tutto un nuvolone sonoro,terribile
Vero, Anuli 90, ma il problema e' che non si puo' proprio metterla alla stregua dei veri giganti (Horowitz,Richter, Gilels,Lipatti, Michelangeli, Gould etc etc) i quali sono pianisti molto piu' completi, sia tecnicamente sia musicalmente.Lisitsa non saprebbe suonare un pianissimo come Horowitz,avere l'uguaglianza e controllo di un Michelangeli, dare senso ad una Hammerklavier come Gilels, ne' ha la musicalita' di nessuno di loro.Ammetto pero'che vado in visibilio quando suona il 39 n.6 di Rach!
I need someone explains me what is remarkable in this interpretation. I hear ridiculous explosions of sound, the logics of the rythmic beat withering the poetry, the perfection of the pianistic technique making the picture black & white, whereas pianists such as Richter, Horowitz, Rubinstein etc have millions colors under their fingers. But Pollini is a great pianist and the problem is not him, but my stupid ears! Please explain me what is great in this execution (ancor meglio se in italiano).
È inutile spiegartelo. Ma non perché tu sia stupido, musicalmente ignorante o sordo, ma perché semplicemente hai gusti diversi da coloro (incluso me) che considerano questa interpretazione straordinaria, quindi sarebbe una perdita di tempo per entrambi cercare di cambiare i tuoi gusti.
E avere gusti diversi non significa avere un cattivo orecchio, come ho letto in qualche commento di 14 anni fa
@marcelmombeekpiano With messing around I more meant that Cziffra and Hamelin were extreme show offs in technique. Richter only used his amazing technique if the music led him to do so, listen to his ballades for example.
I agree with you, I also love Cziffra....mainly in D flat major Hungarian Rhapsody
Otherwise, I agree with you on your opinion on Pollini....Spiritless
Problem is not Pollini, is Steinway.
Pollini follows the goddamn score to closely. He has been noted for that for many years. This performance is perfect which is why it's not a very good one. Music should be flexible.
no poum poum !!!
mais des basses extraordinaires qu'il faut faire sonner sur ce piano pourri dans une salle mauvaise à l'accoustique , avec un écho , et des bruits du public !!!
Were there mistakes in this piece?
His
meglio quella di michelangeli XD
Zo hoort ge 't in de conservatoria, he: noten en noten, niks expressie.
Waar is de verfijnde poëzie in deze sublieme muzikale schepping ??!
Een groot, wereldberoemd Italiaans pianist zei me ooit: "Pollini is cold and has always been cold."
Gegroet,
G. Dehoux.
Www
The audio on this recording is terrible, which makes me laugh at all the dissenting comments from the Peanut Gallery, below, about Pollini's place as one of the true greats of the piano literature over the span of his lifetime. They are judging Pollini's playing based on an *extremely* poor and flawed audio representation of the performance. Seriously, judging ANYONE from an audio recording this poorly done is to define the critic as a dunce, at the very least. Not of of these so-called "critics" could hold a candle to Polllni, so who are they to judge?
You are soooo right... its pollini but thont say nothing
That's obvious, my friend. But please do explain me why this execution is good. Let us check your arguments in favor of Pollini.
samson francois and sviatoslav richter !!!!
per chopin l'unico e' rubinstein ,ascolta i notturni e le ballate ...sublimi perfette
POUM POUM! Where's softness?!?!?
lol ok. I was only kiddin about the ear thing.
dozzinale!
le mani vanno ma..dietro c'è la testa?o c'è solo consuetudine,"abitudine da palcoscenico" ?
bruttissimo(quello che dovrebbe essere)il crescendo che porta a 3:49,idem 6:36 non c'è ansia,non ci sono le note intermedie che crescono,non ci sono le pause che creano attesa..
e da 3:46 non c'è l'esplosione di grandiosa gioia,dove sono le ottave che crescono,le suona tutte uguali.dov'è il 4:33 "scherzando"?
un pezzo estremamente complesso e raffinato suonato senza raffinatezza.
As you said, you really need to work on your ears.
nulla di paragonabile con la versione di MICHELANGELI
you obvioulsy have no ear
Troppo virtuosistica! Poi in alcuni passaggi sbaglia le note!
i agree your opinion !
ok the piano is horrible !!!
la salle a une détestable accoustique !!!
le public est bruyant !!!
cocours reine elizabeth
LISZT SONATE by Boris Giltburg piano ! amazing interprétation
I'm 200% sure that Chopin wouldn't have played it like Pollini did. Pollini played it in a more Russian way than Chopin's Polish/French way of playing (delicat and poetic). This is not to discuss.
Da Chopin die Musik sehr dramatisch komponiert hat, ist es doch nur logisch, davon auszugehen, dass er sie auch selbst dramatisch gespielt hätte.
Der Satz: "This is not to discuss" ist bestenfalls mit kindlicher Ahnungslosigkeit zu entschuldigen, andernfalls mit Überheblichkeit zu erklären.
Clarissa Six English? My German is quite bad.
Clarissa Six He played it with no dynamics at all.
+Kasper Larsen I am 200% sure that no one can say how chopin was playing, especially people who think his playing was only delicate and poetic. For example, today, chopin is played far slower : you can try the tempi he indicates on his studies, you will be surprise how fast they are. Moreover chopin was admiring liszt playing, and one can suppose that it was a more Russian than french style. So Polini is perfectly right, and his interpretation is just perfect !
Kasper Larsen No nuances at all. Like a bull in a China shop. And it doesnt matter whether or not anyone KNOWS how Chopin actually sounded. There are aspects of the music which, my their very nature inform us as performers as to how it should sound in a general way. This performance, while technically very good if pretty far outside the the box musically
So cold and far from the romantic style and approach to music. One star. And let's go to hear Samson Francois, for example.
SarrasaniPianoCircus or Rubinstein
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Musically, his playing has declined so much over the last 20 years or so. And over the last 5 years, even his recordings have become worse...