2015 Harvard-MIT Math Tournament #25

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  • Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
  • This question required Vieta's formula, but before applying the formula, there was a lot of work done to find the relevant polynomial by factoring and using Limits and intermediate value theorem.

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  • @NadiehFan
    @NadiehFan Месяц назад +35

    Note that when you have
    x⁴ + 4x² + x + 1 = 0
    you can rewrite this as
    x⁴ = −(4x² + x + 1)
    x⁴ = −((2x + ¹⁄₄)² − ¹⁄₁₆ + 1)
    x⁴ = −((2x + ¹⁄₄)² + ¹⁵⁄₁₆)
    The left hand side is nonnegative for any real x, and the right hand side is negative for any real x, so there can be no real solutions for this quartic equation.

  • @nilsvandenbrande8071
    @nilsvandenbrande8071 Месяц назад +22

    Once you have established the quartic polynomial with 4 real roots, you can also use newton's sum to obtain the sum of the squares of the roots.

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  Месяц назад +5

      Thank you for sharing. I never knew it existed.

  • @fossilofmed5421
    @fossilofmed5421 Месяц назад +8

    Your voice and speed make things easier. The way you explained and those steps you arranged to digest the problem, that is what ideal teacher did. I am medical personnel yet I can easily follow what you are doing, well with some self research and basic calculus, which I got C, in university time.
    Anyway I think many teachers should learn how to explain just like you do.😊

  • @davidturner9827
    @davidturner9827 Месяц назад +3

    I would have glossed over the word “real”, written 14² - 2, and wondered why I had so much time left.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 Месяц назад

      The answer would be 0, not 14^2 - 2, even if glossing over the word 'real,' via Vieta's formulae.

  • @francaishaitam6708
    @francaishaitam6708 Месяц назад +12

    the vieta's formula is fire . do a proof of it pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.

    • @ihti20
      @ihti20 Месяц назад +2

      Any polynomial is divisible by x-r. Write p(x)=a(n)*x^n+a(n-1)*x^(n-1)+...+a2*x²+a1*x+a0=an(x-r1)(x-r2)...(x-rn). Distribute the parentheses on the right side and Bob's your mother's brother, it works for any power.

  • @moeberry8226
    @moeberry8226 Месяц назад +7

    Amazing video bro, in the beginning I was thinking about solving the real quartic head on but then realized those roots are going to be irrational since the rational root theorem failed and then said there must be a easier way and then remembered Vietas formula. If the roots were rational then squaring them and adding them up would have been too easy. Also I want to point out that the intermediate value theorem only applies to continuous functions for those who don’t know.

  • @BartBuzz
    @BartBuzz Месяц назад +3

    You made this problem look so easy! I would have to do many examples like this one to develop the skills needed.

  • @begula_chan
    @begula_chan Месяц назад +3

    Hello there, from Russian Olympiad Community! Love you videos very much❤

  • @rollno5091
    @rollno5091 Месяц назад +4

    All videos are outstanding

  • @dneary
    @dneary Месяц назад +2

    At 11:00 you can rewrite x^4+4x^2+x+1 as x^4 + (x+2)^2/4 + 15x^2/4 which is obviously always positive

  • @herbertsusmann986
    @herbertsusmann986 Месяц назад +2

    Very good! I would have never gotten past the first aha! moment where you broke up the 14 term as 16 and 2. Brilliant!

  • @kylerapperdeoverlorde
    @kylerapperdeoverlorde Месяц назад +6

    This is mind blowing

  • @nasrullahhusnan2289
    @nasrullahhusnan2289 Месяц назад

    Awesome problem explained in awesome way on how to solve it.

  • @blackovich
    @blackovich Месяц назад +1

    Amazing teacher

  • @emil8120
    @emil8120 Месяц назад +2

    great video!

  • @agus3111
    @agus3111 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you Sir

  • @iithomepatnamanojsir
    @iithomepatnamanojsir Месяц назад +1

    Very nice and intelligent question

  • @secret12392
    @secret12392 Месяц назад +1

    Love your videos! I was curious, as I couldn't really find anything particularly useful googling, is it at all possible to differentiate a tetrated function, where the base is the constant and the variable is the superexponent?

  • @keithdow8327
    @keithdow8327 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks!

  • @ilyashick3178
    @ilyashick3178 Месяц назад

    Just wonder for clear explanation how to find solution, trying follow the lessons in past and go for future. Thanks a lot for your time, Sir.

  • @gp-ht7ug
    @gp-ht7ug Месяц назад +1

    Nice video

  • @77Chester77
    @77Chester77 Месяц назад +1

    Bravo

  • @herbertsusmann986
    @herbertsusmann986 Месяц назад

    Is there any info to be gotten if you take the derivative of the quartic that provides the real roots and set it to zero to find the max and min points?

    • @NadiehFan
      @NadiehFan Месяц назад +2

      Sure, but the derivative P'(x) = 4x³ − 8x − 1 is a cubic which has three real roots and which can therefore only be solved trigonometrically (or numerically). Not really worth it.
      But, I agree that the explanation in the video about the number of real zeros of the polynomial
      P(x) = x⁴ − 4x² − x + 1
      may not have been entirely clear if you haven't seen something like this before. The purpose of rewriting the polynomial as
      P(x) = x⁴(1 − 4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴)
      is to note that | −4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ | < 1 for any sufficiently large |x| so
      −1 < −4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ < 1
      and therefore
      0 < 1 − 4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ < 2
      for any sufficiently large |x| so P(x) will be _positive_ for any sufficiently large |x|. And since P(−1) = −1, P(0) = 1, P(1) = −3 this means there will be at least one zero on each of the four intervals
      (−∞, −1), (−1, 0), (0, 1), (1, ∞)
      And since there can be no more than four zeros, the conclusion follows that P(x) has _exactly one zero_ on each of these four intervals.

  • @rollno5091
    @rollno5091 Месяц назад +1

    Sir kindly upload videos on advance analysis

  • @user-ud6ui7zt3r
    @user-ud6ui7zt3r Месяц назад

    *New question…*
    Suppose that we are given a cubic (degree 3) polynomial, and, when graphed, the polynomial exhibits the shape of a capital letter N. Now suppose that the bottom-left of the N crosses the x-axis a little to the right of the origin, and the very bottom of the bottom-right of the N BARELY TOUCHES the x-axis. How many roots would this type of cubic polynomial actually possess?

  • @user-jq7hb9dh7m
    @user-jq7hb9dh7m Месяц назад

    Great 😊

  • @icetruckthrilla
    @icetruckthrilla Месяц назад +1

    0? Oh right that was the sum of roots to 1st power. Then you showed sum of products of roots to derive the answer.

  • @SHIV_SP.....
    @SHIV_SP..... Месяц назад +1

    😮😮

  • @kragiharp
    @kragiharp Месяц назад

    A root of an equation is the root of a sulotion to the equation, hm?
    I'm a little puzzled, cause I might not have had this in math.
    What is the point of taking a root of an equation?
    Do you also take log or tan of an equation?

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 Месяц назад +2

      A root of an equation is a number that makes the expression equal 0.

    • @kragiharp
      @kragiharp Месяц назад +1

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978
      Thank you very much! ❤️🙏
      I need to take more time with this one to comprehend what the professor is doing.

    • @kragiharp
      @kragiharp Месяц назад

      Now I get it.
      We call it "Nullstellen" (the spots, where the function is 0).
      I still don't understand, why it is called "roots" in English. 🤔

    • @lcex1649
      @lcex1649 Месяц назад

      @@kragiharproots of tree are seen at the ground, ground is x-axis?

    • @kragiharp
      @kragiharp Месяц назад

      @@lcex1649
      Ahhhh.
      Now I get it.
      ❤️🙏

  • @robertjohansson4644
    @robertjohansson4644 Месяц назад

    Wow!

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Месяц назад +1

    In fact this polynomial can be factored so it is octic solvable by radicals
    (x^4 + 4x^2 + x + 1)(x^4 - 4x^2 - x + 1)
    (x^2 - ax + b)(x^2 + ax + c) = x^4+4x^2+x+1
    x^4 +ax^3+cx^2 - ax^3 - a^2x^2 - acx + bx^2+abx+bc = x^4+4x^2+x+1
    x^4 + (b+c-a^2)x^2 + a(b-c)x + bc = x^4+4x^2+x+1
    b+c-a^2 = 4
    a(b-c) = 1
    bc = 1
    b+c = 4+a^2
    b - c = 1/a
    4bc = 4
    2b = 4+a^2+1/a
    2c = 4+a^2 - 1/a
    4bc = 4
    (4+a^2+1/a)(4+a^2 - 1/a) = 4
    (4+a^2)^2-1/a^2 - 4 = 0
    a^4+8a^2+16-4-1/a^2 = 0
    a^4+8a^2+12-1/a^2=0
    a^6+8a^4+12a^2-1=0
    Here to find coefficients we must use cubic formula or derive it

    • @holyshit922
      @holyshit922 Месяц назад +1

      For power sums there are also Newton - Girard formulas
      so we can apply Newton - Girard formula and then Vieta formula

    • @epikherolol8189
      @epikherolol8189 Месяц назад

      Too much work...
      ESPECIALLY in a tournament where u only have such limited time

  • @brandonschaeffer1199
    @brandonschaeffer1199 Месяц назад

    This is extremely complex, about 6 or 7 layers to this problem.

  • @radzelimohdramli4360
    @radzelimohdramli4360 Месяц назад

    let say f(x)=x^2-5x+6 , x= 0, f(x)>0, is that mean f(x) doesnt cross x-axis? even q(x)>0 if x=0 in teh equation

    • @NadiehFan
      @NadiehFan Месяц назад

      No. The function you give can be written as
      f(x) = (x − 2)(x − 3)
      so we have f(2) = 0 and f(3) = 0. The graph of your function crosses the x-axis at x = 2 and at x = 3. The value of your function is negative for any real x between 2 and 3. You can graph your function online at the desmos website.

  • @nirmalmishra6404
    @nirmalmishra6404 Месяц назад

    Can't we plugin directly?

  • @himadrikhanra7463
    @himadrikhanra7463 Месяц назад

    0?

  • @RealQuInnMallory
    @RealQuInnMallory 25 дней назад

    (x ➖ 3x+1)

  • @Arkapravo
    @Arkapravo Месяц назад +1

    The graphical arguments [and positive infinity and negative infinity] was awesome, but it involved a mature discussion, maybe not suited to younger members of your channel.

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 Месяц назад +2

      Genuinely, what are you talking about? Some strange patronisation to the уоungеr students is all you're providing.

    • @Arkapravo
      @Arkapravo Месяц назад +1

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 It is not usual to relate solutions of a polynomial to concepts of calculus - it may not connect with the younger audience.

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 Месяц назад +9

      @@Arkapravo sure, if you're 6 it's not normal to do that, but if you're watching videos of Harvard-MIT tournaments you should be expecting *something* clever to occur.

    • @slowedking
      @slowedking Месяц назад

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 Well put.

    • @Arkapravo
      @Arkapravo Месяц назад

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 yeah, I am a fool

  • @comdo777
    @comdo777 Месяц назад

    asnwer=1 isit

  • @pnachtwey
    @pnachtwey Месяц назад

    Sturm’s method finds real roots.