+Charlieignatious During the test the observers were 9140 meters away from ground zero, the sound would have to travel for more than 25 seconds to reach them
+TheBloblom And those were observers "close" to the explosion, many observers were in shelters 32 kilometers away, which takes over a minute (94 seconds) for sound to travel.
TheBloblom yeah, but 25 seconds is a bit too long for most movies to be doing nothing. I think they had to shorten it to keep the scene tense and interesting.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound. The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
Yeah, if they were close enough to hear the shockwave that soon they'd have been burning and dying. They probably wouldn't have even heard any sound since the overpressure would instantly blow out their eardrums a femtosecond before vaporizing them. =/
My Grandfather, was an MP on that base... My grandmother has pictures of the trinity test and a few more things... He also talked about a certain time when they had to take all train carts and railway tracks from the base and bury them in a strategic location.....he still never understood why. If only they knew....
That is amazing indeed! What was really amazing was that they cooked up this focused blast wave around the core to prevent "jets" from ripping the core apart. It was an unknown thing to do, and after experimenting with "pinch pipe" tests, which pretty much didn't go well, they engineered the different speeds of explosives to turn the "blast front" inside out on it's way to the core. Got it right the first time!! The whole thing hinged on that. They didn't have a lot of material to make mistakes
Interestingly, the exact quote is "Now I *am* become death, the destroyer of worlds." Dr. Oppenheimer deliberately chose some sort of archaic English for his immortal quote.
Sorry but if you are referring to the technique known as sarcasm, that is prohibited here in Germany. That's why we make money while the rest of the eurozone does not. We are serious and will take all comments at face value.
Good scene. No wonder why Oppie felt like "Death, the destroyer of worlds" But the music that accommodated the test wasn't Tchaikovsky's Dance with Reed flutes, but his serenade with strings waltz. A more appropriate score in my opinion, but less juxtaposed.
How interesting! I thought the music thing was pure Hollywood artistic license. The writers may have chosen the Nutcracker Suite because it was more recognizable to most audiences
(page 2) The explosives were arranged to take advantage of the speed of 2 types of explosives to "march" the blast wave around to a semicircle facing the pit. Like a line of people in a semicircle with the center guys leading. If the center started walking and the outer ones ran, at proportionate speed, to recreate the semicircle in reverse as they all advanced, ending with the center guys farthest back, is how they did this. A marvel of engineering, a stroke of genius! The key to it all!!
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound. The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
@ThatHistoryGuy What are you talking about? The light hit his eyes approx 1-2 sec before he got blasted by the surrounding air, NOT a shockwave. You don't get "hit" by a shockwave. Also a shockwave means that the debris from the explosion is traveling FASTER than the speed of sound, which we know it is for an atom bomb. So it is possible it could have very little delay depending on the amount of energy released. The scene in the movie is VERY accurate actually.
At :99, "charging!" yep, the way the core was imploded took an ingenious idea of using fast and slower explosives in a strange configuration to turn the blast wave "inside out" to eliminate interference patterns or "jets" which would tear the plutonium core apart. There were numerous blasting "caps" around the round explosive ball. They had to detonate at PRECISELY the same moment t work, and they charged capacitors to send a lightning fast impulse to each one with no margin of error. (cont)
One other thing if someone could confirm this for me. I once read that they stopped the shot planned just before the actual shot, like maybe a day or 2 over some malfunction at the tower, and when they drove out to it, a rabbit took off near the tower, and one guy said "There goes the luckiest rabbit on earth!".
i normally refer to the blast wave as air blast, because thats what it is basically is air blast. and when the air blast hits, itll strike with more power than any tornado or hurricane on the planet
The atmosphere ignition would'a been akin to fusion, but as all explosion products expand and cool, it never could've self-sustained without a containment system with compression. The funny fact is fission was a somewhat accidental discovery about 1936, but fusion was understood around 1908 or so. When they succeeded with an atomic blast, in '45, the next thing out of their mouths was "Now we have the heat to create a fusion reaction" since they already knew the basics of light element fusion!
"After an especially fervent night of tinkering, he kneeled behind a bunker in the desert; he held a piece of welder's glass up to his eyes and waited." "On that moment hung eternity. Time stood still. Space contracted to a pinpoint. It was as though the earth had opened and the skies split. One felt as though he had been privileged to witness the Birth of the World...¹" "Someone near him said: 'It worked.'" "Someone else said: 'Now we are all sons of bitches.'" -Braid-
@QDanceAnthem Not quit right. The explanation is simple: the bomb wasn't done in time. It was built to explode in/over Nazi-Germany, possible targets were Berlin or Frankfurt/M. But the war in Europe end in May 1945. The first detonation of an A-Bomb was in July 1945, as you can see in this movie.
+Tiernen I think it was more like they knew the theoretical maximum yield but didn't know how efficient The Gadget would be. In the event it was 15 - 17% efficient.
I love it at 2:41, at least they didn't do something historically inaccurate like a "high five"! They had no such thing back then. The punching fists into another one's hand is indeed a typical move people did in the '40s. That was their "high five" I guess. I showed my dad this video, and he said that was what he did as a teen-ager. It's great when they take a dated scene in a movie and at least try to get stuff like this right. Not like "Titanic" with a '90s move like on the bow scene!
The book The Making of the Atomic bomb by Richard Rhodes will tell you everything you wanted to know about the bomb. Just an amazing book. So much detail.
i know for a fact that with just sound alone generated by the shockwave can be enough to destroy stuff, i should know after the time i put a can of soda in my buddys car and then turned the stereo all the way up, and the bass from the subs was enough to cause the can burst
650 mph is pretty darn good considering at that speed its the fastest wind blast ever recorded and it sure puts an F-5 tornado to shame. as for the heat blast where you see everything go up in smoke and flames, how long does that last? and i know that all depends on the size of the weapon and distance within the heat blast radius. and seeing everything start to smolder and burst into flames is what i find really cool about nuclear weapons
It looks like the shockwave and sound arrived immediately. I'd expect it to be bright for a few seconds and then dark and eerily silent for almost a minute before the sound arrived.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound. The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
I remember this from back at 2011. I was like "This is what they did before bringing an end to the war in the Pacific and to WW2." I wonder where I could find this movie when I go to the store.
Apparently the producers of this movie never bothered to read any of the many accounts of what the observers experienced. No overwhelmingly bright flash of light, no long wait for the tremendous clap of doom to reach them, just some cheesy glow and a gentle breeze that goes on and on. How completely stupid. What a waste of film.
in a way i do agree with ya, comparisons to weather wasnt exactly the best way to go. but i was just comparing maximum wind velocities. Winds generated by an F5 tornado: 325mph, a nuclear bomb blast: 650mph or even faster. to be honest i cant think of anything thatll generate winds stronger than 325mph whether by geological or weather occurance
@darthroden A lot of the scientists placed bets as to what would happen. Some genuinely had anxieties that New Mexico or even the whole world could have been destroyed. Some didn't even think it would go off.
If you want to get technical, the blast wave(shock wave) starts out moving at about 20 times the speed of sound(while it is still one with the fireball). Within 0.5 sec it has slowed to about mach 5-7 and by the time the fireball begins to darken(4-15 seconds depending on yeild) it is moving AT the speed of sound. The shockwave is not linear so your statement is incorrect.
@AnimeFanatic5602 The film came out in '89, with a rather small budget. They didn't have access to CG effects then (this was several years before it became popular with T2 and Jurassic Park); it's conventional animation dissolving into slow-motion flames. Even then though, the footage of the original test would've been jarring in it's poor quality for the story.
It's so horrible that any of this was necessary. And it was. Less people died from two nuclear strikes than the Japanese military killed in the rest of Asia. Less than the number of civilians killed in Germany by conventional weapons. But it was impressive, and terrifying.
The shock wave from an atomic bomb explosion can travel over 100 times the speed of sound. But you're right. This scene is accurate. The shock wave would have reached him in maybe a second, maybe less.
Does this movie have anything that is...mm...inappropriate or just too weird to watch? Because I'd like to see it, but am ve~ry picky about what I take my time to see.
at 0:35 to 0:43 I sure as hell hoped that they'd been kidding...if not then they were about to light off a weapon with the power of the sun itself with absolutely no idea if it would just destroy a small part of the earth, or set the damn atmosphere on fire. Either way, to do so without a reasonable guess of the consequences would be totally irresponsible.
Technical problem here. The bomb goes off and immediately Oppenheimer is hit by the shock wave. Light travels faster than sound; there would have been a delay.
Not immediately. There's about a one second delay, which is accurate. An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound. The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
Compare this to OPPENHEIMER's complete silence. How two directors essentially shoot the same scene.
Also 2 different eras of filmmaking.
The sound and shockwave would definitely not reach them that fast. Kind of made the scene look a bit silly.
+Charlieignatious
During the test the observers were 9140 meters away from ground zero, the sound would have to travel for more than 25 seconds to reach them
+TheBloblom And those were observers "close" to the explosion, many observers were in shelters 32 kilometers away, which takes over a minute (94 seconds) for sound to travel.
TheBloblom yeah, but 25 seconds is a bit too long for most movies to be doing nothing. I think they had to shorten it to keep the scene tense and interesting.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound.
The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
Yeah, if they were close enough to hear the shockwave that soon they'd have been burning and dying. They probably wouldn't have even heard any sound since the overpressure would instantly blow out their eardrums a femtosecond before vaporizing them. =/
My Grandfather, was an MP on that base...
My grandmother has pictures of the trinity test and a few more things...
He also talked about a certain time when they had to take all train carts and railway tracks from the base and bury them in a strategic location.....he still never understood why. If only they knew....
... what's this about burying railway tracks?
Maybe unethical tests @@mazack00
There are plenty of good shots of the actual Trinity test, I'm amazed that they couldn't be bothered to use one here.
Anyone here after watching Oppenheimer?
Vilmos Zsigmond's photography is great here. He was one in the best cinematographers. RIP
somehow the peaceful, harmonious nutcracker suite playing provides an ironic backdrop to what is about to unfold..
The classic "soundtrack dissonance" moment.
And ironically, a Russian ballet, at that.
The Manhattan Project was riddled with Russian spies
That is amazing indeed! What was really amazing was that they cooked up this focused blast wave around the core to prevent "jets" from ripping the core apart. It was an unknown thing to do, and after experimenting with "pinch pipe" tests, which pretty much didn't go well, they engineered the different speeds of explosives to turn the "blast front" inside out on it's way to the core. Got it right the first time!! The whole thing hinged on that. They didn't have a lot of material to make mistakes
Oppenheimer at home:
still a pretty decent movie imo
@@Idroppedaburrito i couldn't see it. It is good?
@@JR7noir it's kinda boring and has a lot of politics but the acting and dialogue is good, btw you can see a lot of clips in yt from this movie
@@Idroppedaburrito thanks
The music makes the scene all the more memorable. Like the calm before the storm.
"I have become death. The destroyer of worlds"
Oppenheimer
Interestingly, the exact quote is "Now I *am* become death, the destroyer of worlds." Dr. Oppenheimer deliberately chose some sort of archaic English for his immortal quote.
What the hell get some knowledge... this is from Bhagavad Gita. It was said by Vishnu...
I just realized: The nuclear bomb wind sound came to Garry's Mod's GBombs 5 from this movie!
Sorry but if you are referring to the technique known as sarcasm, that is prohibited here in Germany. That's why we make money while the rest of the eurozone does not. We are serious and will take all comments at face value.
Good scene. No wonder why Oppie felt like "Death, the destroyer of worlds" But the music that accommodated the test wasn't Tchaikovsky's Dance with Reed flutes, but his serenade with strings waltz. A more appropriate score in my opinion, but less juxtaposed.
How interesting! I thought the music thing was pure Hollywood artistic license.
The writers may have chosen the Nutcracker Suite because it was more recognizable to most audiences
(page 2) The explosives were arranged to take advantage of the speed of 2 types of explosives to "march" the blast wave around to a semicircle facing the pit. Like a line of people in a semicircle with the center guys leading. If the center started walking and the outer ones ran, at proportionate speed, to recreate the semicircle in reverse as they all advanced, ending with the center guys farthest back, is how they did this. A marvel of engineering, a stroke of genius! The key to it all!!
Oppenheimer was 10,000 yards away. It should have taken the sound of explosion 27 seconds* to reach him.
*Give or take a couple seconds.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound.
The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
@@brunobliviousShock waves travel at the speed of sound. Oppenheimer was not in the fireball after it detonated. 😂
The movie is dated now.
Gotta say, i enjoyed this version a lot more than Oppenheimer. Which is disappointing because i usually enjoy Christopher Nolan movies...
@ThatHistoryGuy
What are you talking about? The light hit his eyes approx 1-2 sec before he got blasted by the surrounding air, NOT a shockwave. You don't get "hit" by a shockwave. Also a shockwave means that the debris from the explosion is traveling FASTER than the speed of sound, which we know it is for an atom bomb. So it is possible it could have very little delay depending on the amount of energy released. The scene in the movie is VERY accurate actually.
And I think the light prior to detention would been even more intensively bright.
At :99, "charging!" yep, the way the core was imploded took an ingenious idea of using fast and slower explosives in a strange configuration to turn the blast wave "inside out" to eliminate interference patterns or "jets" which would tear the plutonium core apart.
There were numerous blasting "caps" around the round explosive ball. They had to detonate at PRECISELY the same moment t work, and they charged capacitors to send a lightning fast impulse to each one with no margin of error. (cont)
Humans and nuclear weapons... like a little kid that found his dad's car keys, got behind the wheel and started the car.
the perfect music to play when testing anything
Now I know why Oppenheimer looked familiar... it's Reginald Barclay from Star Trek.
Yeah, awful choice to play Oppenheimer, the actor looks nothing like him.
the look on that dudes face when it exploded while he was trying to light his cigarette was funny
You could tell he was thinking “I don’t even need my lighter!”
One other thing if someone could confirm this for me.
I once read that they stopped the shot planned just before the actual shot, like maybe a day or 2 over some malfunction at the tower, and when they drove out to it, a rabbit took off near the tower, and one guy said "There goes the luckiest rabbit on earth!".
i normally refer to the blast wave as air blast, because thats what it is basically is air blast. and when the air blast hits, itll strike with more power than any tornado or hurricane on the planet
Wonder this would be compared to Christopher Nolan's upcoming movie on Oppenheimer?
The dichotomy -- The Nutcracker music, and the tension of the impending Doomsday
The atmosphere ignition would'a been akin to fusion, but as all explosion products expand and cool, it never could've self-sustained without a containment system with compression.
The funny fact is fission was a somewhat accidental discovery about 1936, but fusion was understood around 1908 or so. When they succeeded with an atomic blast, in '45, the next thing out of their mouths was "Now we have the heat to create a fusion reaction" since they already knew the basics of light element fusion!
"After an especially fervent night of tinkering, he kneeled behind a bunker in the desert; he held a piece of welder's glass up to his eyes and waited."
"On that moment hung eternity. Time stood still. Space contracted to a pinpoint. It was as though the earth had opened and the skies split. One felt as though he had been privileged to witness the Birth of the World...¹"
"Someone near him said: 'It worked.'"
"Someone else said: 'Now we are all sons of bitches.'" -Braid-
@QDanceAnthem
Not quit right. The explanation is simple: the bomb wasn't done in time. It was built to explode in/over Nazi-Germany, possible targets were Berlin or Frankfurt/M.
But the war in Europe end in May 1945.
The first detonation of an A-Bomb was in July 1945, as you can see in this movie.
Children of the sun ....Trinity was firts signal for our parrents up there ....
Arnold wouldn't have needed goggles.
yeah but it was the 1930s they didn't know if the bomb was gonna be like a stick of dynamite or blow up the world
+Tiernen I think it was more like they knew the theoretical maximum yield but didn't know how efficient The Gadget would be. In the event it was 15 - 17% efficient.
+Tiernen It was the 1940s.
I love it at 2:41, at least they didn't do something historically inaccurate like a "high five"! They had no such thing back then. The punching fists into another one's hand is indeed a typical move people did in the '40s. That was their "high five" I guess. I showed my dad this video, and he said that was what he did as a teen-ager.
It's great when they take a dated scene in a movie and at least try to get stuff like this right. Not like "Titanic" with a '90s move like on the bow scene!
Notice how the Nutcracker music stops the very moment the bomb goes off. It almost symbolizes the end of America's innocence.
End of america’s innocence? Dude?! Slavery?!
No country is innocent
Well, it was coming through an audio channel for the countdown and they would have closed the channel after serving its purpose
The book The Making of the Atomic bomb by Richard Rhodes will tell you everything you wanted to know about the bomb. Just an amazing book. So much detail.
Impressive being able to walk at night with those goggles on
i know for a fact that with just sound alone generated by the shockwave can be enough to destroy stuff, i should know after the time i put a can of soda in my buddys car and then turned the stereo all the way up, and the bass from the subs was enough to cause the can burst
Man, I wish I could use the scene at 2:29 as a screen saver or something! Kudos to whoever thought of that method of filming that scene!!
"I´m Became the Death..."
@Slushyyy639 It's called The Fatman and the Little Boy.
That great music for that scene.
I love this film! Thank you :)
2:21
"Well, this is the big moment! Let's see if this thing ca--WHAT THU!!!
Man...
and didn't that make the world happy.
650 mph is pretty darn good considering at that speed its the fastest wind blast ever recorded and it sure puts an F-5 tornado to shame. as for the heat blast where you see everything go up in smoke and flames, how long does that last? and i know that all depends on the size of the weapon and distance within the heat blast radius. and seeing everything start to smolder and burst into flames is what i find really cool about nuclear weapons
It looks like the shockwave and sound arrived immediately. I'd expect it to be bright for a few seconds and then dark and eerily silent for almost a minute before the sound arrived.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound.
The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
I remember this from back at 2011. I was like "This is what they did before bringing an end to the war in the Pacific and to WW2." I wonder where I could find this movie when I go to the store.
@richd506 because of electical cables failure, they decided to use radio waves to activate the detonation...
Apparently the producers of this movie never bothered to read any of the many accounts of what the observers experienced. No overwhelmingly bright flash of light, no long wait for the tremendous clap of doom to reach them, just some cheesy glow and a gentle breeze that goes on and on. How completely stupid. What a waste of film.
Not my Oppenheimer
in a way i do agree with ya, comparisons to weather wasnt exactly the best way to go. but i was just comparing maximum wind velocities. Winds generated by an F5 tornado: 325mph, a nuclear bomb blast: 650mph or even faster. to be honest i cant think of anything thatll generate winds stronger than 325mph whether by geological or weather occurance
@darthroden A lot of the scientists placed bets as to what would happen. Some genuinely had anxieties that New Mexico or even the whole world could have been destroyed. Some didn't even think it would go off.
@2:23 - the light/sound/wind timing is completely out of whack for a nuclear bomb at least a few miles away. Bye basic science, hi Hollywood!
Got to go visit trinity site ground zero last Saturday at the White Sands Missile Range. It is only open twice a year to the public.
Mad men working for Mad men...
Most amazing film footage off all time for me!
i think i saw indiana jones flying in that fridge
Humanity should not possess such destructive power.
ohhh edgy
Darth Kieduss oh but what if a meteor came.
Samuel Colunga didnt you see armaggedon? You need to drill a hole and plant the nuke, or it will only scratch the meteor
Ricardo Rodrigues isn't that from danny phantom
Why is Capt. Murdock Blowing stuff up =( LoL Dwight Rules!!!
I think that was the name of the movie itself. I was an excellent movie!
If I don't get mine real soon, I'm leavin' NEGATIVE FEEDBACK!
Mr. Barclay: ENGAGE!!!
The Last Tango and 'Gimme the CASH!' in Paris.
Embarrassing
If you want to get technical, the blast wave(shock wave) starts out moving at about 20 times the speed of sound(while it is still one with the fireball). Within 0.5 sec it has slowed to about mach 5-7 and by the time the fireball begins to darken(4-15 seconds depending on yeild) it is moving AT the speed of sound. The shockwave is not linear so your statement is incorrect.
The first bomb couldn't belive it actually worked first try tho
Fat man and little boy the movie. W wersji polskiej: Projekt Manhattan.
Lieutenant Barkley sets off a nuke....cool!
Now I have become death,the destroyer of worlds.
Now, I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.
From the 1989 film "Fat Man and Little Boy"
@JISINSANE Managed to stop into a roach motel on a road trip, at just the right time to catch this film. Otherwise, never would have seen it.
that was funny how that rush of air pushed his mouth open, and it was even funnier seeing the look on his face when he saw the size of the fireball
The didn't test the uranium bomb because it was a simpler design supposedly
2:48 I've just GOT to get some goggles that glow like that!
I have become death. The destroyer of worlds.
@AnimeFanatic5602 The film came out in '89, with a rather small budget. They didn't have access to CG effects then (this was several years before it became popular with T2 and Jurassic Park); it's conventional animation dissolving into slow-motion flames. Even then though, the footage of the original test would've been jarring in it's poor quality for the story.
It's so horrible that any of this was necessary. And it was. Less people died from two nuclear strikes than the Japanese military killed in the rest of Asia. Less than the number of civilians killed in Germany by conventional weapons. But it was impressive, and terrifying.
My mom’s High school teacher knew Oppenheimer
@richd506
Yes. And traffic lights were used before the invention of motor car.
@jacklibbb lol you realize that the "blast wave" moves almost twice as fast then the speed of sound, literally take a second or 2 for it to reach them
The shock wave from an atomic bomb explosion can travel over 100 times the speed of sound.
But you're right. This scene is accurate. The shock wave would have reached him in maybe a second, maybe less.
@StoneColdKrishna What kind of world do you think we'd be living in had Germany developed the bomb first? (As opposed to the United States)
Sunblocker---to avoid burns from the UV radiation of the blast.
2:48 THE ENGINEER BUILT NUKE (tf2 joke xD)
Oh, come on! Don't you want a pair too?
And this is why Lt. Barkley will never be promoted to Chief Engineer. Wakka wakka!
Does this movie have anything that is...mm...inappropriate or just too weird to watch? Because I'd like to see it, but am ve~ry picky about what I take my time to see.
at 0:35 to 0:43 I sure as hell hoped that they'd been kidding...if not then they were about to light off a weapon with the power of the sun itself with absolutely no idea if it would just destroy a small part of the earth, or set the damn atmosphere on fire. Either way, to do so without a reasonable guess of the consequences would be totally irresponsible.
10:28 NOPE
It was seen to last forever
2:27 "Nuclear WaHRGARBL!"
Did a little research. Apparently the Nutcracker actually was picked up during the countdown... Interesting.
@enemyofbohemia it's actually a really good/historically accurate movie.
It's in flight, AWS.
It sounded cool, that's why.
Actually it would take about 28 seconds.Oppenheimer was 5.7 miles away from the detonation.
A trinity
Technical problem here. The bomb goes off and immediately Oppenheimer is hit by the shock wave. Light travels faster than sound; there would have been a delay.
Not immediately. There's about a one second delay, which is accurate.
An atomic bomb's shock wave can travel over 100 times the speed of sound for several seconds before quickly slowing to the normal speed of sound.
The shock wave would have reached Oppenheimer in under a second.
Does anyone know the name of the track after the bomb goes off:2:22?