I love the Palomar knot, used it for years. Good cuz you can learn to tie it real easy without having any light (night fishings)...or right loaded drunk still easy to tie LOL
I have used the Palomar knot since about 1980, I don't recall ever having a knot failure, I re tie periodically but with braided mono I never find it weak. As I get older and shake more I find it easier to do it in my living room rather than the boat. Thanks for the great video.
I have a question. Usually when I tie the Palomar knot, it is extremely strong. And sometimes, it must cinch down incorrectly, because maybe 25% of the time it ends up breaking easily. I am cinching down both the tag and the main line equally until I finish by pulling strongly on the main line. I take care to make sure the knot cinches up evenly and I make sure the end loop doesn't get caught around the hook eye or anything. What is the most common mistake in finishing this knot? Should I be cinching down the tag side first? I think I saw Roland Martin once get the main line halfway tight, then cinch the tag line well, and then finish on the main line. Thanks if you have time to answer. I quit using the knot on monofilament because there's always a chance I tied it wrong. On braid it always turns out insanely strong.
@TheAce when I was taught back in the early 80s I was told to pull it tight only using the tag end. At a sports show I tested it on on machine and the line broke before the knot. That was using mono, probably trilene xt. Now I only use braided mono on all my rods, I rarely re tie mainly because as I age I'm shakier and can't see as good so I re tie periodically in my living room. Still I don't recall line or knot failure since I started using braided mono. I hope that helps, I'm by no means a expert but works for me ( I'm no Roland Martin) I'd love to fish with him once though.
@@tombjugstad8554 thanks. I was actually going to try that next in an experiment, as I figure cinching down the tag end first will allow the main line (the first half of the knot) to not be in as much of a bind at first, which hopefully means that it sees more gradual friction in the first half of the knot and isn't really cutting against itself until the 2nd half of the knot. Thanks again
@TheAce sounds good , I think pulling the tag end helps keep the main line stay nice and straight near the knot, not sure if the fish care but it may help the lure run true especially with a light bait like a Texas rig, im usually fishing a crank bait or frog or a chatterbait so maybe not as important, I always blacken the last 6 to 8 feet of my line with a black marker, seems to work on the bass in northern Wisconsin water anyway.
@@tombjugstad8554 have you seen the new and improved Palomar? Salt Strong did a video on it. For braid, it beat all other Palomar variations. Double up the line as usual Go through the eye of the hook TWICE Tie a DOUBLE overhand (extra tuck) Cinch up same way Sounds like a winner to me
Interesting and informative test series, although limited in scope and application. Data shows that different knots are their strongest in different line applications (nylon, fluoro, braid). In this test the Trilene is on the right and the Palomar on the left (per the experimenter). As pointed out by a poster two months ago, the Trilene is clearly in tact at the 23lb line break point, but the Palomar is not. This appears to be with the nylon mono line since the line is red in color; unfortunately the results for each of the other two line types are not given. Many posters questioned the validity of this ‘t-test and the series, and they do have a point in two key areas: 1) The Research Question(s) is/are Very non-definitive and poorly started- ie. *Are you testing knot integrity failure via breakage in the knot, or slippage that causes the knot to come undone, or both? *Another RQ is; are you testing maximum strength or strength to line failure (the video shows only testing to line strength failure)? 2) The Test Instrument lacks specificity on its controls. Are the tests repeated (they may have been through Berkley’s labs and the video may show the average of those tests, but we don’t know that because it’s not addressed)? Also, how is the overall scoring weighted (in the video we see that at 23lbs the Palomar knot has actually failed, but it was awarded the overall win because the tester said that it was “equal” to the Trilene knot in that test and the fluoro test, but not as good in braid)? We are not shown the braid test to determine how the Palomar wound up being superior, but by it being dubbed “equal” in the other two tests then the “win” in the braid category allowed it to move on in the competition. This appears to be bias, because we clearly see the Palomar knot failure at 23lbs, but since it was being rated by the line’s strength was it given a 100% line strength rating even though it failed at the lines maximum strength? It appears so. Therefore if the test had gone to maximum strength it looks like it would have been a win for each line. Leaving the test up to what happened on the fluorocarbon line, but we don’t know what the result would have been since we weren’t shown that test either. By extrapolation of the nylon line test would the Trilene knot have also proven to have a higher maximum strength in the fluorocarbon line test and been declared the winner? We don’t know because we weren’t shown what the knot looked like to get any possible indication like we received with the nylon line test. NOTE: Berkeley’s literature states that in their testing the Trilene knot was the ONLY knot that reached 100% strength. We get an indication of that in the video, but we really don’t know the parameters of even Berkeley’s testing. It’s possible that It is to whatever the lines rated strength is, but no maximum line rating is offered in their literature. So we don’t know this tests weighting and what would have happened on the fluoridation line because the test instrument controls aren’t specified, nor seemingly in place because the test doesn’t show them being used. What the tester should have done is to continue beyond the rated test line strength until knot failure for both knots has been achieved, either by knot slippage (probably what happened with the Trilene knot on the braid), or knot breakage (as can be clearly seen in this video with the Palomar on the left). With that all said, the tests are valid in measuring what they intend to measure based upon the very limited parameters of the tests; which seem to be based upon “typical test line strengths for each line type. The measurement appears to be a pass/fail up to the lines capability (but we really aren’t sure what liberties are or would be taken there since the Palomar knot failure at 23lbs was ignored). So it is a valid test, but not a good test for answering the two questions of maximum knot strength, and maximum knot non-slippage (holding). So if your knot keeps integrity compared to another knot failure for the line tour you use (fluoro for me), then you can get some applicable data from this series. Anything beyond that is outside of the score of what this testing series can answer.
@@keyboardbeats Because most of it is wrong. Palomar is the best for mono, Double Palomar is best for braid. If you cant use the double, a Trilene will be fine.
I love the palomar knot. I love to surf fish with it with power pro casting bait with a 8oz sinker off the beach catching 30lbs striped bass This knot has never broken on me once. I love the way it preforms.
I give the Triline knot the advantage it because of the tag end facing down, meaning lesser chance of weeds snagging on tag end. Both will snag weeds but to me the Triline has a greater chance of snagging weeds. Either one will attract weeds because of the knot itself being the thickest spot on the line.
can you do a video of like which knots works best for Carolina rigs you know you have three knots cause you use a swivel so your line don't twist up thanks look forward in seeing the strength of so many knots on a rig
ive been using the trilene knot since I was 16 ( im 43 now ) and it has become second nature for me to tie but I think the palomar knot might be easier for new fishermen to tie
I have used the palomar for years and it is strong and easy to tie. The only thing negative I have found is it's large size. I bottom fish with heavy #80 flouro. It puts a rather large hole in the bait which makes it easy for the fish to remove the bait. I have been trying the snell knot lately with good results. The only thing I don't like is the tendency for the snell to loosen up. Wonder about the possibility of putting a dab of superglue on the knot?
eye crosser is not really a separate knot from uni. its often called modified uni. Do what they call the "eye crosser" but do 4-6 wraps instead of 2. Thats awesome knot good for braid too
You could easily just tie your hooklength first or just chop the swivel from the mainline and tie two palomar knots instead of just the one, I doubt you'll miss the 30 seconds you'll lose having to tie an extra knot.
For the trilene knot there is a difference in strength when you do the single loop vs. the double loop around the hook. When I fish for pan fish I use the single loop. For bass I use double loop. I've tried polamar. but those only work best for small lines from 6-8 lbs. mono/flouro. and best for braided. Trilene seems to work much better for thicker line.
+madara uchiha The trilene knot is defined by the double loop, if you're using a single loop, it's not a trilene knot. Moreover, a single loop makes little sense since it can't cinch itself to stay closed when not under load.
Think the trilene was tied incorrectly..maybe it doesn’t make a difference but it might...Berkeley’s video specifically states that when you make 6 loops around the Standing line you go away from the hook. The first loop should be going underneath not overtop the standing line when beginning the wrapping.
Does hook diameter make a difference in knot strength . Fir instance if hook diameter is smaller than line diameter could the knot strength of smaller diameter line equal a that of a larger diameter ?
Does anyone know of or have any suggestions where to buy or how to make a smaller,affordable press similar to the one used on knot wars to test line,leaders,and possibly one person, rod power ,and reel drag testing/ setup?
There is no best knot for mono. There are knots that have certain characteristics in certain mono sizes that some may find best. That said, if we’re talking about a great knot for tying lures onto mono up to about 20#, I would recommend the Eugene bend knot. It’s very strong, uses little line, has a pop when it’s seated correctly, and can be tied extremely quickly with forceps or if you swing your kite around the line.
not sure about fluorocarbon,don't use it.fireline mostly but both knots will work for whatever line you are using.palomar is easiest to learn,but trilene is just as easy after doing it for awhile
theres alot of mystery around how many times youre supposed to wrap the line for the trilene and clinch knot.... some say 6 to 12 times, others say exaclty 5 times I think you should do atleast 5
I prefer the trilene. The palomar sometimes gets caught up on the hook/lure during the pass through and I have to start over. That's annoying. I also like how the tag goes backward on the palomar.
no it isn't by any means. tie a palomer knot to hook and secure it to a base then apply pressure to the line. The line will break before the knot will every time. Try it before you post an uneducated opinion.
should be but isn't here. The fact that the fluoro and mono tests all broke mid-line shows that those knots did not create a weak spot in the setup and shouldn't in yours either if tied correctly. There are many situations where a connection is stronger than the materials it's joining.
I love the Palomar knot, used it for years. Good cuz you can learn to tie it real easy without having any light (night fishings)...or right loaded drunk still easy to tie LOL
Thank you, this is very educational, enlightening and entertaining as well.
I have used the Palomar knot since about 1980, I don't recall ever having a knot failure, I re tie periodically but with braided mono I never find it weak. As I get older and shake more I find it easier to do it in my living room rather than the boat. Thanks for the great video.
I have a question. Usually when I tie the Palomar knot, it is extremely strong. And sometimes, it must cinch down incorrectly, because maybe 25% of the time it ends up breaking easily. I am cinching down both the tag and the main line equally until I finish by pulling strongly on the main line. I take care to make sure the knot cinches up evenly and I make sure the end loop doesn't get caught around the hook eye or anything.
What is the most common mistake in finishing this knot? Should I be cinching down the tag side first? I think I saw Roland Martin once get the main line halfway tight, then cinch the tag line well, and then finish on the main line. Thanks if you have time to answer. I quit using the knot on monofilament because there's always a chance I tied it wrong. On braid it always turns out insanely strong.
@TheAce when I was taught back in the early 80s I was told to pull it tight only using the tag end. At a sports show I tested it on on machine and the line broke before the knot. That was using mono, probably trilene xt. Now I only use braided mono on all my rods, I rarely re tie mainly because as I age I'm shakier and can't see as good so I re tie periodically in my living room. Still I don't recall line or knot failure since I started using braided mono. I hope that helps, I'm by no means a expert but works for me ( I'm no Roland Martin) I'd love to fish with him once though.
@@tombjugstad8554 thanks. I was actually going to try that next in an experiment, as I figure cinching down the tag end first will allow the main line (the first half of the knot) to not be in as much of a bind at first, which hopefully means that it sees more gradual friction in the first half of the knot and isn't really cutting against itself until the 2nd half of the knot. Thanks again
@TheAce sounds good , I think pulling the tag end helps keep the main line stay nice and straight near the knot, not sure if the fish care but it may help the lure run true especially with a light bait like a Texas rig, im usually fishing a crank bait or frog or a chatterbait so maybe not as important, I always blacken the last 6 to 8 feet of my line with a black marker, seems to work on the bass in northern Wisconsin water anyway.
@@tombjugstad8554 have you seen the new and improved Palomar? Salt Strong did a video on it. For braid, it beat all other Palomar variations.
Double up the line as usual
Go through the eye of the hook TWICE
Tie a DOUBLE overhand (extra tuck)
Cinch up same way
Sounds like a winner to me
Interesting and informative test series, although limited in scope and application.
Data shows that different knots are their strongest in different line applications (nylon, fluoro, braid). In this test the Trilene is on the right and the Palomar on the left (per the experimenter). As pointed out by a poster two months ago, the Trilene is clearly in tact at the 23lb line break point, but the Palomar is not. This appears to be with the nylon mono line since the line is red in color; unfortunately the results for each of the other two line types are not given.
Many posters questioned the validity of this ‘t-test and the series, and they do have a point in two key areas:
1) The Research Question(s) is/are Very non-definitive and poorly started- ie.
*Are you testing knot integrity failure via breakage in the knot, or slippage that causes the knot to come undone, or both? *Another RQ is; are you testing maximum strength or strength to line failure (the video shows only testing to line strength failure)?
2) The Test Instrument lacks specificity on its controls. Are the tests repeated (they may have been through Berkley’s labs and the video may show the average of those tests, but we don’t know that because it’s not addressed)?
Also, how is the overall scoring weighted (in the video we see that at 23lbs the Palomar knot has actually failed, but it was awarded the overall win because the tester said that it was “equal” to the Trilene knot in that test and the fluoro test, but not as good in braid)?
We are not shown the braid test to determine how the Palomar wound up being superior, but by it being dubbed “equal” in the other two tests then the “win” in the braid category allowed it to move on in the competition. This appears to be bias, because we clearly see the Palomar knot failure at 23lbs, but since it was being rated by the line’s strength was it given a 100% line strength rating even though it failed at the lines maximum strength? It appears so.
Therefore if the test had gone to maximum strength it looks like it would have been a win for each line. Leaving the test up to what happened on the fluorocarbon line, but we don’t know what the result would have been since we weren’t shown that test either. By extrapolation of the nylon line test would the Trilene knot have also proven to have a higher maximum strength in the fluorocarbon line test and been declared the winner? We don’t know because we weren’t shown what the knot looked like to get any possible indication like we received with the nylon line test.
NOTE: Berkeley’s literature states that in their testing the Trilene knot was the ONLY knot that reached 100% strength.
We get an indication of that in the video, but we really don’t know the parameters of even Berkeley’s testing. It’s possible that It is to whatever the lines rated strength is, but no maximum line rating is offered in their literature.
So we don’t know this tests weighting and what would have happened on the fluoridation line because the test instrument controls aren’t specified, nor seemingly in place because the test doesn’t show them being used.
What the tester should have done is to continue beyond the rated test line strength until knot failure for both knots has been achieved, either by knot slippage (probably what happened with the Trilene knot on the braid), or knot breakage (as can be clearly seen in this video with the Palomar on the left).
With that all said, the tests are valid in measuring what they intend to measure based upon the very limited parameters of the tests; which seem to be based upon “typical test line strengths for each line type. The measurement appears to be a pass/fail up to the lines capability (but we really aren’t sure what liberties are or would be taken there since the Palomar knot failure at 23lbs was ignored).
So it is a valid test, but not a good test for answering the two questions of maximum knot strength, and maximum knot non-slippage (holding).
So if your knot keeps integrity compared to another knot failure for the line tour you use (fluoro for me), then you can get some applicable data from this series. Anything beyond that is outside of the score of what this testing series can answer.
Holy crap buddy all of that and you still couldn’t get a thumbs up well here ya go! 👍
@@keyboardbeats Because most of it is wrong. Palomar is the best for mono, Double Palomar is best for braid. If you cant use the double, a Trilene will be fine.
I have just started to test Trilene knot for the Avoidasnag's, seems to work well
I use the Trilene Knot for Mono exclusively.
I love the palomar knot. I love to surf fish with it with power pro casting bait with a 8oz sinker off the beach catching 30lbs striped bass This knot has never broken on me once. I love the way it preforms.
I like the trilene because the tag end faces down towards the bait and doesn't pick up vegetation as bad.
You should definitely do the jansik vs palomar knot. I'm very curious to see what knot is stronger
I give the Triline knot the advantage it because of the tag end facing down, meaning lesser chance of weeds snagging on tag end. Both will snag weeds but to me the Triline has a greater chance of snagging weeds. Either one will attract weeds because of the knot itself being the thickest spot on the line.
can you do a video of like which knots works best for Carolina rigs you know you have three knots cause you use a swivel so your line don't twist up thanks look forward in seeing the strength of so many knots on a rig
ive been using the trilene knot since I was 16 ( im 43 now ) and it has become second nature for me to tie but I think the palomar knot might be easier for new fishermen to tie
Maddawwg45
I learned the Trilene really fast. Took me about 15 minutes to tie a Palomar one day.
I have used the palomar for years and it is strong and easy to tie. The only thing negative I have found is it's large size. I bottom fish with heavy #80 flouro. It puts a rather large hole in the bait which makes it easy for the fish to remove the bait. I have been trying the snell knot lately with good results. The only thing I don't like is the tendency for the snell to loosen up. Wonder about the possibility of putting a dab of superglue on the knot?
eye crosser is not really a separate knot from uni. its often called modified uni. Do what they call the "eye crosser" but do 4-6 wraps instead of 2. Thats awesome knot good for braid too
Actually it proves the knots are strong enough to hold till past the breaking point of the line. I'd say that's quite a bit of good information.
Good to know both knots; but especially the Trilene because a Palomar cannot be tied without a free end. eg. connecting to an already fastened swivel.
You could easily just tie your hooklength first or just chop the swivel from the mainline and tie two palomar knots instead of just the one, I doubt you'll miss the 30 seconds you'll lose having to tie an extra knot.
@@balist0 This is wrong.
For the trilene knot there is a difference in strength when you do the single loop vs. the double loop around the hook. When I fish for pan fish I use the single loop. For bass I use double loop. I've tried polamar. but those only work best for small lines from 6-8 lbs. mono/flouro. and best for braided. Trilene seems to work much better for thicker line.
+madara uchiha The trilene knot is defined by the double loop, if you're using a single loop, it's not a trilene knot. Moreover, a single loop makes little sense since it can't cinch itself to stay closed when not under load.
***** it still clinch being single but yes not as snugged as double looped.
Miss the knot wars app.
Love palomar
The trilene works really well with braid. Make 5 turns and it won't slip one iota.
Think the trilene was tied incorrectly..maybe it doesn’t make a difference but it might...Berkeley’s video specifically states that when you make 6 loops around the Standing line you go away from the hook. The first loop should be going underneath not overtop the standing line when beginning the wrapping.
Does hook diameter make a difference in knot strength . Fir instance if hook diameter is smaller than line diameter could the knot strength of smaller diameter line equal a that of a larger diameter ?
Trilene knot needs more wraps than just 3…most say it requires 6, especially with lighter line.
Agreed!!
Does anyone know of or have any suggestions where to buy or how to make a smaller,affordable press similar to the one used on knot wars to test line,leaders,and possibly one person, rod power ,and reel drag testing/ setup?
so what would the knots do if you used 80# test mono
I’ve used both now for forty years and I don’t think there is any difference between them. They are both very good knots .
Anything beats the Palomar
Trilene knot is just a double clinch knot which is the one I’ve used since I can remember.
No, a double clinch knot aka double schindo knot is completely different from a trilene knot
Which knot is best for mono?
There is no best knot for mono. There are knots that have certain characteristics in certain mono sizes that some may find best.
That said, if we’re talking about a great knot for tying lures onto mono up to about 20#, I would recommend the Eugene bend knot. It’s very strong, uses little line, has a pop when it’s seated correctly, and can be tied extremely quickly with forceps or if you swing your kite around the line.
i have used both and found the trilene is slightly stronger,of course i wrap it a minimum of 6 times as it's supposed to be not three.
Thomas Horner the triline knot works on all kinds of mono and florcarbon ?
not sure about fluorocarbon,don't use it.fireline mostly but both knots will work for whatever line you are using.palomar is easiest to learn,but trilene is just as easy after doing it for awhile
theres alot of mystery around how many times youre supposed to wrap the line for the trilene and clinch knot.... some say 6 to 12 times, others say exaclty 5 times
I think you should do atleast 5
omgiTsmeJon I always did 7. I swear that’s how they taught it in a pamphlet I got in a box of line I bought back in the 80s
I prefer the trilene. The palomar sometimes gets caught up on the hook/lure during the pass through and I have to start over. That's annoying. I also like how the tag goes backward on the palomar.
no it isn't by any means. tie a palomer knot to hook and secure it to a base then apply pressure to the line. The line will break before the knot will every time. Try it before you post an uneducated opinion.
not necessarily
Sure it say allot about the line but nothing about the knot which is the point...
I LOVE KNOT WARS. Once I started using Palomar I never went back
Yeah, I guess the Palomar knot would work a lot better than a trilene knot with 3 wraps….Where did 3 wraps come from, that is way below standard
dude slow down the video of those line breaks a little bit for christ sakes !!!
Um.....the knot IS the weakest point. If you think about it, it is common sense really.
should be but isn't here. The fact that the fluoro and mono tests all broke mid-line shows that those knots did not create a weak spot in the setup and shouldn't in yours either if tied correctly. There are many situations where a connection is stronger than the materials it's joining.
Nope