Tying a button knot soft shackle WITH break tests - for slacklining and highlining
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Matt Stolling shows you how to tie a button knot soft shackle with the camera over the shoulder, and then we break test it at the end (with slow motion) at 72.9KN. We also demonstrate the different ways to tighten the knot.
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As an offshore fisherman who has seen every type of mistake & sadly the consequences of not just knowing how to properly tie a knot but using the wrong knot, or not able to tie one backwards, upside, etc., while under pressure* or having someone screaming at you, this is a fantastic video.
Just remember that learning to tie a knot is just the first step. The easiest step in fact. I've seen people who could tie all the necessary knots but when they need to do so in real life situations they're lost. Even stuff as simple as tying a simple knot/hitch in different manner than the equivalent of laying it out in front of you like in the video, they're lost. Few things I've learned over the years come in handy so consistently as having had to use knots in high pressure + awkward situations. Thx for a great video.
yeah, working wit grandfather fishing he always insisted on keeping lines in perfect order, second thing was, you only KNOW a knot if you are able to make it in total darkness while dead tired and struggling not to fall overboard in a gale driven rain.
Now 45 years later k can only say, WOW, was he right, it is often in those conditions that you NEED to make the knot/s, say; when a lasing down a piece of equipment that got loose and is now threatening to punch a hole in the hull (happened to me twice, winch on fishing vessel and mast of a sailboat)
That's so true. But for such stressful time constrained situations you only need to know a handful of knots not the ideal knot for this exact use case but given complexity might be perfect for such time constrained situation. And those you need to know how to do really well like you've said. Be it reversed side to side or away from you and towards you and how to dress it and how to know if it's done right.
This is not the type of knot you'll likely need under pressure.
Also I find while learning how to tie knots tying it reversed is a good check if I understand how the knot is built not just if I can repeat the motions to tie it.
Yesterday I taught a lesson for the Hoofer Sailing Club on soft shackles using your video. We used two pieces of colored paracord for practice before attempting to tie in the Dyneema. All four students successfully completed a soft shackle with the knot. (Hardening to follow.) Thank you.
This is, by far, the best presentation I've seen for forming a button knot. Clear, concise explanation and excellent visual aids using over the shoulder perspective and different colored ropes to enhance clarity. This is a commendable depiction for tying a very confusing knot. Thank you!
^ this
Got here by googling after the "button knot" from the stronger shackle on animated knots, as their demonstration was a bit confusing. This IS the explanation for tying this knot. Would love to see this knot used to secure padeyes on the deck of a boat.
I do a lot of off road 4x4 trails (technically OHV trails) and UHMWPE rope is all the rage these days when you need to recover a vehicle from things as simple as a tire-stuck-in-the-ditch to the more complex and difficult OMG recoveries. Synthetic rope is so much safer and easier to handle than steel winch line. There's a plethora of soft shackles on the market to go along with the synthetic winch line but I wanted to make my own. I watched several videos on how to tie a button knot, but this one was by far the best. Thanks for taking the time to make it!
You guys are AWESOME!! Tree climber/woodman-tradesman here. Although I am not a slack line walker I have been interested in soft shackles for my woodworking enterprise. Thanks to you and this channel I learn SO much. The cross-over between slack lining and rigging for tree work and/or tree climbing is tightly woven and well dressed! Oh wait, that’s knot lingo-of which we share common ground. 🙌
I'm a sailor and learning to splice and make my soft shackles for boat applications. You climbing guys really know your shit when it goes to ropes. Thanks for the vid!
Tying Knots can be confusing. Teaching others can be really difficult. This was done very well, thank you. Repeatedly showing how the knot should look at different steps and common ways to tie it incorrectly helps people learn. So, well done and again, thank you.
I have been making soft shackles for my boat using the diamond knot..this is the best video on YT for showing the button knot which takes time and lots of practice...My thanks to you for making it look easy.This video is Brilliant!!!
Thanks!
This is the best how to tie a button knot video I have found. Its slow enough and very clearly explained and demonstrated, that I was able to tie it while watching with out having to rewind or pause. Furthermore after learning this technique I have come to conclusion that many of the tutorials out there are not tying the button knot correctly.
Re: not correctly: there’s multiple versions of button knots.
@@JasperJanssen Wrong! Correct knot tying practices are not subject to your feelings. There is always a correct way to tie a knot. When knot are tied incorrectly they will not share the same form function and beauty that's the correctly tied knot.
TheShoelaceBandit .... duh. There are still different variations. I didn’t say that it’s not possible to do it incorrectly.
Watching this video saved me $$$!! Please accept this token of my gratitude 🙏 🙌, now your wisdom has been implemented in Alaska!!
Thank you. Very well done video. Love the shaggy rug, takes me back to the '70's.
Thank you, looking forward to making some shackles. When I burry tails I pull them through the core with my fid first, then taper the ends and milk them back into the core. Just another method.
Great (maybe the best) video on how to make a soft shackle with button knot!!! Thanks!
Ditto to all the other positive comments. My only issue is that I didn't see this video 4 years ago. Really excellent work.
That is really helpful. The over the shoulder view was helpful
For tensioning the knot, I used what I had, which was a come-along, a telephone pole, and a tow hitch on my van. Seemed ok! Comealongs are supposed go to a few 1000 lbs.
Thank you for the good good vid.
Finally a description I can follow. I’m trying to make miniature soft shackles with paracord that look exactly like the same but fit around my wrist
YEARS. I have been trying to get these right for years. For some reason, this time, it finally clicked. Now I have to resist the urge to tie every scrap of Dyneema I have into soft shackles.
Regarding the ends. Fit them in (now they are the core), come out (of whats now the cover), taper (the core), milk them back in (to the cover) is easier and safer.
@17:13 is where I learned. Excellent vid from start to finish.
I made two soft shackles using the older tutorial a few months ago. They took quite some weight off of my setup. One of them I tightened using the pulley system I use for longlineing and one of them I didn't tension beyond as tight as I could get it with my hands and tools at home. The way the knot on the 'untensioned' one settled looks much more even, seems to have a larger lip, and does sound rock hard when you bang it on a wall or something. In this tiny sample size it seems better to me. Of course, I haven't tested their breaking strength though. 😉
Untensioned performed better for us too, but we keep rotating it when we use it.
best one i've seen! the over-the-shoulder perspective is very helpful!!
Cool video. Didn't talk about the size of dyneema Amsteel in the description. But I found he eventually says 6mm / 1/4" for this particular soft shackle
i just made my first soft shackle!! thank you guys. brilliantly explained. especially the 2 colour ropes. got it first try.
love your double-checks. well done!
You did a great job explaining everything. Thanks.
Anyone else get that satisfying feeling when you milk the tails back in the soft shackle!!! Feels oh so good!!!! Lol
Muchas gracias por este video! Excelente explicación! Saludos desde Costa Rica!
This video makes making soft shackles easy! Never buying one again!
By setting up the loop with only one or two strands instead of four, you get a smaller eye, less likely to go over the button when the shackle is not under tension and without losing any strenght.
I'm concerned about getting too much tension on 1 leg if the eye is too small, but a smaller noose is ideal.
I'll need to see a load test on that rectal anchoring system in the background. I have one similar to this and might consider clipping it in for extra protection.
we use these in parasailing everyday. holds the parachute to the tow line!
Well done video fellas.
As a boy-scout drop-out turned computer scientist, this stuff is fascinating.
Awesome you guys. That was the best knot tying video I have seen anywhere .... period! And of course with a pile of other great info. Thanks!!!
Can you make a video, or direct me to a video going over your tensioning device/setup? I'd like to build/buy one but I don't know much about them, or even what they are called. Obviously it's a winch and some tackle blocks, but that's the extent of my knowledge. Thanks for making all these super informative videos!
by far best explanation for this knot...ty
@about 35:50 the fid used is a Selma fid in case anyone is wondering.
Thanks
excellent work and expansion thank you.
Awesome video!
You can use a truck and an anchor point to tighten the button knot also.
The button knot makes me feel like the most stupid person on the planet right now X_X
I always end up with four strands that should form the stem being divided by an X of strands... They don't leave the knot in parallel.
Maybe I shouldn't be doing this at 3:30 AM with 40 cm of 2 mm accessory cord 🙈🙈 I feel like a surgeon... A very unqualified surgeon.
I need to come back to this with a thicker more generous part of a rope... Ideally also with two colors for the start...
Thanks a lot for the amazing explanation though!
I would be curious to see the knot tightened with tails and then the tails cut, curious if it changes its strength
This is awesome. I'm curious though. If you made your tails extra long, so they would run almost the entire distance from the button knot, following through the cinch, and back up to the button knot, how much strength would you gain, if any at all?
11:45 The Symbol in "The NeverEnding Story"!!!
Did you bin in Urban Highline Festival Lublin ? I just noticed the t-shirt. NIce
Perfect presentations
WoW!!!
regards from Lublin :D
I'm here for the knot, but noticed your jacket. Is that the Patagonia synthetic? I'm debating whether to get that or the REI 650 down jacket. I kind of like the idea of a synthetic mid-layer jacket more than a cheap down jacket. How are you liking that jacket?
I'm getting some 1.75mm Lash-It and plan on making a couple dozen soft shackles this weekend! I'm finally upgrading to space-age line for my camp gear! This is exactly the type of shackle I want to make. Eventually I'll step up the size of my line and make some carabiner replacement shackles, but I figured I'd practice on tarp shackles first.
Thanks for posting the video!! 👍
"tension with your standard pulley system" (while pointing on the 100:1 slacksnap pulley)
doesn't everyone have a industrial crane pulley system inside of a rectangle box in their garage? ;)
Not me, damn, whats wrong with me?
Thank you very much for video! I like second shackle (blue rope).
I’m sorry mate, my English language very bad.)
Can you write special for me diameter and how long the rope.
Thank you and hello from Russia!
we use 6mm amsteel and about 4.5feet to make our soft shackles
HowNOTtoHIGHLINE thank you. I don’t what is amsteel... and GoogleTranslate can’t help me )))
@@fotostudio68
www.samsonrope.com/mooring/amsteel--blue
Excellent! Bury the tails first, then taper them, then milk them in... your welcome
I am curious about the necessity of using this knot for a sailing soft shackle. Are there easier knots that work well and are easier to tie?
The diamond knot is easier to tie, but you sacrifice strength. See ruclips.net/video/ydUBGinQIUU/видео.html and l-36.com/soft_shackles.php?menu=4
really really intresting
Did you actually test the value of tapering?
Did you ever compare this knot against the previous 'improved' knot? re ruclips.net/video/K0eZz36PRYI/видео.html
Just when I think I've got the knot complete....it reduces to something else....... frustrating!
Can anyone explain how people guarantee or safety’s check so the noose doesn’t slip off the knot?
How KNOT to Highline %)
Very true!
So what would you recommend for 4wd soft shackles?
In regard to knots? Brands of soft shackle? Type of cordage? What are you interested in?
i bought my amsteel from spider slacklines. it's gray. for some reason there is no blackness coming out of the shackle. is that something i should be worrying about?
How do you know if you tied the knot wrong?
Can a soft shackle be used with a soft release? There would be some friction when the line is bouncing. Would that be enough to heat up the dyneema and damage it? edit: I see soft shackles used against spanset just fine, so I'm expecing that with a soft release it's also fine, but I'd rather ask.
I use soft shackles on soft releases.... on highlines. Highlines generally have less tension and you transfer weight to tag line early. In the park for long lining it isnt bad if you go slow and keep the heat to a minimum
@@HowNOT2 thanks :)
@@naturarum you could always put padding on softie if you use it on soft release a lot but keep in mind tubular webbing gets damaged easily too if damage will be done
Equilibrium makes an ultralight dural "sleeve" called 'Soft ring' just for this purpose. That reduces wear durig releasing.
I’m curious if you’ve looked at this guys soft shackle knot? ruclips.net/video/K0eZz36PRYI/видео.html It seems simpler than the button and better than the diamond, but that leaves the question, is the button better.
I was thinking the same thing. I have made some soft shackles like this that I use for hammocking. I like that the design prevents the knot from "walking". They feel very safe.
The whole knot seems to be with doubled rope and it comes out just the same for the loop to grab on to perhaps it's not as flat in the bottom but should be good enough. The only thing that would potentially worry me is the likelihood of unevenness after tensioning as ends can't really travel so If you don't do it just right one part might be in higher tension. Whereas in this one the ends might move a bit when tensioning to even out the loops. But I'm generally talking out of my ass here and I'd love to see that tested.
Beginner here. I am fascinated by your channel and also how soft shackles are able to replace metal shackles - for some applications - at a fraction of the weight and price. But there still is a basic question bugging me.
Making a soft shackle is tedious work, and you might mess up if you aren't careful. So why use soft shackles at all? Instead use a non-jamming bend like the Carrick bend to make a loop. Sure, the knot reduces strength, but just use a rope that's twice as strong as the soft shackle you want to make. Sure, it will take a bit more time to tie and untie, but making - and learning how to make - soft shackles is also time consuming.
The only thing I can think of is, that once pulled, the Carrick bend will have to set, causing some slippage, and this might lead to rope-on-webbing friction while under tension. But with so many knots out there, there has to be a non-jamming bend knot that keeps its standing part at a fixed position.
Given soft shackles are commonly used, I know this must be a stupid question. But I still couldn't find an answer. You love soft shackles enough to put them up a certain orifice, and gently diss those who claim metal shackles are safer. So I thought you would have an answer.
You cannot tie knots in in amsteel so the Carrick bend wouldn't work. The tails literally slip in all knots once the load is on them. The button knot defys this rule because it just gets smaller on itself since the tails are buried, the tails can't come out. You can make "improved soft shackles" which are just buried tails in an overhand and they are funny looking but are plenty strong. Most people who use these like the art and craft of making them. Gives you an emotional attachment to them haha. Our video is a bit more tedious than animated knots version but you can learn enough here to know if you did it correctly or not.
@@HowNOT2 I think you misunderstood me. I'm not suggesting tying knots in amsteel. I'm suggesting getting rid of amsteel altogether. Use a rope that would not slip. Then you could tie a Carrick bend in it.
Do you have a store? Info please.
wow, to me it looks as if the guy is saying one thing then doing another when showing how it's tied 🤯
17:04 heard dat!
Im an ex commercial fisherman and my wife and are buying a sailboat. We've descided to rig our boat using Dynema/Amsteal.
What I would like to know is who do you buy your Dynema/Amsteal from?
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Jerk a Smurf! haha
So would a monkey fist accomplish the same? Sure seems easier to make.
36:38 the money shot for knot porn.
pulling it tight with the tails out is the wrong way, its only pulling half the strands and worse than just hand tightening with all four strands. If you simply hand tighten it uniformly it will form the knot tight from use
Many tutorials showed that way and I've done it that way for a while, we did discover hand tightening, burying the tails, and then tightening did pull on all 4 strands evenly and gave us better buttons which we bring up at the end of this video.
Could you test a vs. with this type of soft shackle? ruclips.net/video/qWz_DIXx-Wc/видео.html
Not trying to be contrary, but your statement that this button knot was "first" done by Brion Toss is not correct. The wall and crown is one of the oldest knots in human history. It has been around for thousands of years.....
Anyone use a car to tighten up the button?
Great demo, just not for me. There is no part of the video that i can rewatch while tying the knot, too much starting, stopping and checking. Great for one run through.
Ashley’s #?
ABOK #880, p 162 for wall and crown (modified)
Bury, then taper, and milk
Was good but TOO many examples of what can go wrong...in sted of the right way
Excellent, but I was disappointed by the last bit about "thinking that tapering makes no difference" when engineers have known for years that a quick reduction in cross section of load bearing structures is a stress raiser.
Taper your buries!
"all moves will be clockwise. step two, go counter-clockwise"
Boating, Rock climbing and Slacklining and highlining.. all use same knots and same techniques. So.. if you want a different knot.. look at other arenas who use rope.. you would be surprised at some knots and configs the rope community has.
This is also called a hipster shackle
Fuck that shit! ...Just like I have no desire to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Nor do I have a desire to bungy jump ( which is just suicide without the commitment )
There is no fucking way you'll ever get me on a slack line! ..... that said
Dyneema or Amsteal is fantastic shit to use on a boat and Im diggin the button knot shackle. .... ⛵💕🌠🤘❤🤘
Shag carpeting... LMAO... I remember that from the '60s... Hard to believe that some company still makes that crap... Needles and pins would get lost in that crap, but you would definitely find them once you walked barefoot across it...
Dude can you please stop over-emphasizing the "t" in tighTEN, butTON, imporTENT. It's insanely distracTING. Jussayin. Also, super dope videos.
Half my audience doesnt speak English natively, i try to speak clearly. Watch it in double speed... its way better :)
@@HowNOT2 fair! I wasn't trying to be rude but it is super distracting hahah
@@theunaphotobomber you are very prone to distractions
42k views and one viewer got insanely distracted, whose problem is it?
@@uk1simon1 your's now too, apparently.
Monkey fist used to throw a smaller line a shore ,to haul a bigger line ,not decktive wrong if you don't know don't make it up ,that's a lie
I tried to follow, There is too much talking and not enough tying . Please just tie knot SLOWLY!
just tie the knot...damn
There is this neat red dot at the bottom of every youtube video that you can move to the section you want. Nifty eh?
I actually like the way he demonstrated this, slow, clear easy to follow. I was tying the knot while he was explaining. This is the best button knot video
no i dont want to untie what i just did. no i dont want to redo what i just did. just show what youre doing in one smooth motion zzz. i can freeze the video whenever i like but i cant magically jump to the next step because i have to wait for you to untie and redo what you just did......
Next time show it once through without stopping to talk about mistakes at every step, then do it slow with details, this is unbearable to watch because of all the cutting back and forth between steps and changing hand positions to explain mistakes we haven't even made because we're following along, obviously.
Common mistakes are good disclaimers after, not during an explanation.
You talk too much! No need repeat the explanation, people can just rewind in slow motion!
I feel it’s much better not, explaining what not to do. Or where others commonly make a mistake. I feel I had it going great. Then at the 515 mark I ate a big turd sandwich. But I definitely appreciate you taking the time to do this video.