Wow, it took this season for you to see Jon's importance. You're pretty intuitive, but you totally missed that Jon was important, showing even from the beginning in Season 1 episode 1. I didn't read the books and I saw that he was the central point of this entire show. The fact that Dani was always the one to get all the brownie points was to mislead the viewers to like her more than Jon. Saw that right off. I have loved Jon from the moment Catelyn was a bitch to him. In fact I'm glad Lady Stoneheart (when I finally read about her in the books)was never in the show. That's how much I can't stand Catelyn. Didn't morn her death, but I was saddened for her kids. But yeah, as intuitive as you seem to be, you totally missed Jon's importance in the show. You are human afterall, I was starting to wonder. lol Love your reactions. I know late comment. I just recently discovered you channel. You're very entertaining. Love it.
Noooo. What I *SAID* was that I didnt like him and didnt care about him until this season. I never said Jon wasnt important. I said no matter who was on the throne, Jon had to win or everyone was screwed. me not liking him doesnt interpret to him not being important. I dont like Baelish. Doesnt mean he hasnt been influential to the plot.
No part of this show was done to "mislead the viewer to like (Dany) more than Jon." That doesn't even make sense. Everyone doesn't have to like Jon, you know? I never liked him either, but it was obvious he was important as Hunter said.
Storm Bey I don’t know. I loved Dany for the same reason I loved Jon. I love tragic characters. I didn’t like Sansa in the first and first half of second season because she was just a whinny, entitled little girl. I loved Jon and Arya the first very scene they were shown in. And no I didn’t read the books until after season 6. Ppl generally gravitate more towards Dany because she’s “more exciting” and Jon and the Night’s Watch story was “boring.” I actually found both stories exciting, and even more so in Jon’s case at certain points. Dany season 2 storyline was a little boring, and I have never felt that way about Jon’s storyline in any season.
That was Nymeria, the "That's not you" line refers to Nymeria not being "Nymeria" anymore, she's no longer her pet. The writers also said this references Season 1 when Ned told Arya she'll be a princess one day and marry and have children, and she responded: "No. That's not me".
The wolf actually was Nymeria. When Arya said "That's not you.", it was a call back to season 1 when she told Ned, "No, that's not me.", when he said that she would become a lady and wear dresses and stuff. Nymeria has her own life in the wild, so being a domesticated wolf for Arya in Winterfell isn't her. Nymeria mirrors Arya's own life. (:
**READ. THIS. COMMENT** *Be Kind. It's a TV Show* - I realize during editing that Baelish isnt from the South, but oh well. - Awww. I get the "It's not you" reference now. Thanks y'all!
Hunter Boyle Baelish is from the south, from the perspective of the North. He was born in the Fingers, on the coast of the Vale. As far as Northerners are concerned all of Westeros south of them is the south.
Yes, the North has a different culture. The fingers geographically are on the line between south and north, but they are still Southerners, the believe in the same religion, act and dress the same way. Soo yeah I don't see a problem with calling him a Southerner.
I think the Arya and Nymeria encounter echoes the scenes with Dani and Drogon where she reaches out to touch him but he does not let her at first. "They are wild animals" I bet Nymeria will be there when Arya gets in trouble.
"Youre not dying today Sir Jorah" Samwell Tarly "Tarly I forbid you to die" Joer Mormont Nice callback to S3 when the defeated and depleted Nights Watch are trudging back to Crastor's after the battle at the Fist of the First Men.
At first I hated what Theon did but in hindsight loved that scene. From Alfie Allen's acting to the classic GoT tactic of subverting our expectations of a character's arc in a moment we least expect it. Like you said Hunter, the audience understands why, but it's still so sad, real and infuriating at the same time. Which also makes it a great scene imo.
That was me, totally! :) I hated it, I screamed at the screen in fury... and then I rewatched it many many times and I totally fell in love with his acting, the depiction of PTSD kicking in, the entire cinematography of it - all those parallels between Ramsay and Euron in that moment for instance - and the subversion of my expectations. Because of course I wanted a heroic death scene at that moment, I was sure that was it for Theon's arc... but they are doing something more realistic and we'll just have to wait and see where they are taking us next! Theon is not my most beloved, but certainly one of the more interesting characters at this time for me.
Jay S I can see why he did it, but looking at the storyline it was a bit disappointing, it seems like 6 years of wasted story arc and we're back to square one
this is why i like the Theon character so much. Hes' not a hero. He's weak and damaged like most of all of us are. We might want to be John or Dany or Arya but most of us are far more like Theon than we would care to admit. Besdies Dany i a bit of an Egomaniac and Arya is totally close to madness herself.
Lady Olenna has become embittered by life. Her son, grandson, and beloved granddaughter were taken from her. Margaery died because she was following Olenna and the prototypical Tyrell example: be cautious, careful, calculated, and grow strong. Cersei's impulsive and destructive desires provided a counterexample to, and thus shattered, her narrative. She's in chaos, and is no longer certain of the "wisdom" she once believed she had. Her future and hope were taken because the wisdom she provided proved insufficient. She's resentful of life and the future. Basically, you have her motives wrong. She's not looking for a better future. She's looking to cause as much destruction and misery as possible to the people she believes robbed her of that future.
Adding onto this: even in this moment in her life she seems to never be all that wrong. Tyrion's plan fell to pieces, and now Dany will have to be the dragon she told her to be in order to hold the shards of their alliance together. That power will be the only thing to save Dany from losing to Cersei now, along with Jon Snow's help should she get it. Even in chaos she's somehow ahead of the rest of the game. Unfortunately I don't believe she's going to live this through - not that she cares either way. She sewed the seed of her vengeance in Dany during their conversation, and Cersei is as good as dead.
I mean, if we think about it, Tyrion's plan with the Masters fell apart too. Missandei told her a long time ago that she would weigh the options and do what no one else could see. She should go back to that now.
Exactly. Tyrion's an amazing hand for Dany and his advice is the most valuable for her out of everyone, but he can be wrong with his plans. At first I was totally the same as everyone else in judging Olenna based on her losses and the fact that she didn't care about the future nor her own life any longer. But after reviewing it, I realized even in her bitter state she's still capable of being such a remarkably intelligent woman. It's gonna be tough to see her go.
Not really. Olenna's advice was completely sound. All Dany needs to do to win is take KL and kill Cersei. She could do it within a day. Tyrion's plan is absolutely dreadful and I'm surp anyone supports it. He is splitting their armies in two for little apparent reason and refusing to utilise their dragons on the ground that it would kill people. Just as many people would die of starvation during a siege, and the unsullied are trained not to rape, loot or burn. Apart from that, Tyrion gives no acknowledgement to what his brother and sister could be planning and doesn't factor in Euron's at all. It's a pretty poor plan overall. Olenna has already been proved right by Euron's ambush. I just hope more catastrophic defeats aren't necessary for Dany to realise her mistake.
I loooove the dynamic between Sansa and Jon tho. Sansa, a wolf raised by lions. Jon, a dragon raised by wolves. Sansa knows the South, knows Cersei, knows how the "game" is played; she recognized the threat in the South and, most importantly, is thinking about the long term(how to solidify their rule in the North for the future, making sure everyone around them is loyal). Just like the maestar said in the last episode, everything will have an end, including the war with the White Walkers. This is why i believe Sansa will prevail and will survive. I just hope that the writers won't make Sansa be manipulated by Littlefinger.... she's too smart for that at this point. Jon on the other hand is only focused on the White Walkers. He's thinking of the short term. He's seen the Night Kind and his army, he knows the threat is real and he's 100% determined on only that. His role pretty much ends once they defeat the White Walkers; what can you see him doing after that? He doesn't want to rule. It reminds me of what Varys said about Robert in this episode. That being said he *is* good at ruling. He doesn't have a small council, he talks about his plans to everyone and everyone gets a chance to counter his decisions(Sansa especially). This is a huge change compared to every other ruler. It feels more like a democracy, thought that may not be a good thing imo. And I understand that you understand that Theon has some severe PTSD, but he can't just "man up". He's like 50% Theon, 50% Reek(that was obvious when he was totally okay with getting Ellyra a drink, like a servant). Ramsey destroyed him and even before Ramsey he was kind of a coward. Theon's gonna feel immense guilt at abandoning Yara, and rightfully so. Anyway sorry of the essay, I love your reactions and insight :)
+Nevi1097 Nice "essay", but I don't agree that Jon is thinking of the short term. He knows that if the White Walkers aren't defeated, everything else becomes a non-issue. None of the other Lords and Ladies have seen the WW, including Sansa. While I don't doubt she believes Jon, the idea of the WWs is purely abstract to her and the others. She and the other lords view Cersei (and possibly Dany), as their biggest threats while Jon knows better -- he knows that Cersei and Dany will have to become their allies against the WW, or else they're all doomed. What did he say to the other lords? "None of you have seen them. You don't know what's coming" . Jon knows that without having seen them, the lords can't be convinced that it's ridiculous to worry about who is ruling what kingdom when a huge, self-replenishing army of the dead will soon be on their doorstep. Bottom line, Jon is the only leader who sees the whole picture, and consequently, the only one thinking long term.
I agree! No one else has seen the threat and therefore, although Jon's supporters believe him, they don't take it as seriously. Jon felt the fear and doom that the WW bring. That being said, there *will* be an after, and Jon is not thinking of an after because he believes the WW have a very good chance of "winning" and therefore nothing else matters(it does); that's what I meant when I said he's thinking of the short term.
Great reaction Hunter, B. :) Dany showed her true colors: Lier, promise breaker: Promised to make Yara queen of the iron islands. Now she wants Jon to bow down to her and to rule everything. Talked of "I'm going to break the wheel" (Ending feudalism), and now she says "I WAS BORN TO RULE!!!!!!!!!" Sadist: Burned Innocent alive, fed them to her dragons, citified hundreds without trial. And now she threatens her allies with incineration. Hypocrite: "I want be queen of the ashes".. But you'll starve the people to death in a long siege? Why even trying to take the seven kingdom? It's useless! You have a kingdom in Essos, rule it! Oh, I forgot... You left that kingdom in the hands of a narcissistic sell sword who explained to you that he couldn't care less about the city "Fuck Meereen, fuck the people". Best course of action for her would be to follow Yara's advice and just end this war in a day. But Dany wants countless deaths, starvation and misery. Euron's character was save to me:) Finally, we see more of Euron in him :) Yara and Dany fail, big... Dany should've had her dragons to scout ahead of her fleet and offer aerial support (Meaning, game over, she has dragons, she wins). And Yara should've acted like she's at war, instead of drinking ale and letting Dornish ladies to fondle her. Well, you pay for you mistakes and Euron made sure to annihilate them. Besides, I find it disgusting that she constantly wave sex in front of Theon, like it means nothing to him. I feel like every time she does that, he's dying even more inside. That is just horrible. It's waving the one thing his old self liked the most, the one thing that he will never have again because someone destroyed his life. Horrible sister's behavior. I can't blame Theon... A man like him, who suffers from extreme trauma, should never see combat. But besides, there was nothing he could do. Yara's faith was sealed. He could die trying to save her or he could die after killing Euron. Now he can live to fight another day and hopefully think of a way to save her. Unlikely, but still, better than nothing. Sand snakes: THANKS GOD! Although, Miss "horrible d&d line" should've poisoned her mum and herself. I mean, it should have been obvious to them that if they are captured, they are not going to be killed... They are far too important and far too pretty. The battle is lost, you have no escape, kill yourselves.
Hunter - you're the only reactor that I've seen that brings up how Jon keeps blindsiding Sansa. They did talk about Dany but he said he wasn't going... then announces in the open meeting that he's going. He needs to have a small council and stuff where they can argue about this stuff in private before he makes his announcements to everyone. She still shouldn't be challenging him in front of everyone though. Also, Arya meant that Nymeria isn't the 'pet' that she used to be... what she should have said is "that's not you anymore".
I talked about how they operate in my vid, it's a lot like Vikings did, where a Jarl would address all the highborn lords and ladies openly, there's no king's guard either.
Teresa MLA I think Sansa is in the right questioning him openly. Like you said, Jon keeps blind sighting her. Jon keeps making the same mistakes Robb and Ned would make. Sansa has seen this song and dance before, she knows what needs to be done and if Jon keeps cutting her out of everything and making these honor-based decisions, he is going to be killed same as Ned and Robb
Exactly, it just seem like the most rational thing to do. I'll always be team Jon but he def deserves some blame here for not talking to Sansa before each of these meetings. Especially considering he basically considers her to be second in command so to speak.
Remember Hunter the history of Dorne goes back way before the Marcella poisoning. It goes back to the time before King Robert's rebellion when the Martell women were raped and killed by the Mountain and Lannister soldiers. The Viper told that story a couple times. Plus, Cersei knew of the prophecy of her children and those things coming to pass. So, what we are really looking at is a retaliation from a revenge killing, which neither are good outcomes in this case.
Oh, man. Dany's alliance has to be taken out early in order for Cersei to stand a chance, I guess. Olenna and Highgarden are the next target, and I don't think it'll end well for her either. :( I love the Queen of Thorns.
I just hope the Dornish army and a portion of the Greyjoy fleet are at Dragonstone cause I don’t know if it was the writers or if Tyrion maybe made a mistake but that plan was so ill-conceived.
It was incredibly ill-conceived. They didn't even factor in the moves that Cersei and Jaime would make, let alone the fact that Euron allied himself with them. The Iron Fleet is now minuscule, Yara/Ellaria are captured, and Olenna will be the next to be removed from Dany's alliance. These losses were so avoidable.
"He's such a good actor!" I don't know if this is true, but I remember hearing that when the producers cast Alfie Allen, they cast him for Theon based on his ability to play Reek. ^_^
Before I even watch the reaction, yayy!!!! I've been anticipating your reaction the most because I know it's gonna be thoughtful and insightful and just overall awesome!
Theon cannot "man up" he's mentally broken, Even putting him in that situation is ludicrous as he was always going to do what he did, the fact he latest as long as he did was a miracle. Furthermore, given the situation, his move was tactically correct, his death would serve no purpose, by surviving he at least has a chance to report back what happened and try and rescue Yara later hopefully.
Hi, Hunter! I enjoyed the group live stream - a lot of fun! -I really liked this episode. I thought the writing felt "back on track" - so many great scenes that were mostly just dialogue. -I thought "the big crossbow" was definitely calling back to Joffrey's crossbow, but I don't think Joffrey designed it (although I don't know who did then). -Greyworm and Missandei definitely "lay down together" after Greyworm was injured but we don't know if it went further than that. -Last thing, does your husband watch the show with you or do you watch separately? (edit: I guess it is obvious you watch by yourself, but didn't your husband recommend GoT to you in the first place?)
Regarding Lady Olenna: I must first declare that I LUV this character and Diana Rigg is wonderful! Having said that: 1) Remember her conversation with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes (S6 E10); her motivation has changed since season 4, she's not out for the survival and prosperity of her house, she's out for revenge against Cersei. She knows she won't be around long enough to have to live with the consequences and doesn't care! 2) Margaery was beloved, but she's not ashes because of the common folk. She was MURDERED by Cersei. 3) Olenna had an opportunity to prevent the sept explosion in S6 when Cersei came to her for help, but QoT turned her down ('worst person I've ever met' scene).
I disagree, cersei didnt truly want olenna's help she wanted her in that church to burn as well.Cersei is a selfish so and so and you could hear the pretence in her voice while talking about how horrible she felt,she carry it with her everyday! As for Olenna she is right and im sure before the season is out will be proven. The problem is not lady Olenna's advice but tyrion's plan
I think they improved the design of ballista to increase the velocity of the spears being fired. It is based on the same concept as a crossbow but they should have to crank it to reload. The resistance would be enormous on a weapon that size. If you remember "Watchers on the Wall," they killed a giant with a ballista from the top of the wall but they were firing down. To fire into the air they'd need a lot more tension. That's probably the biggest improvement on that weapon.
Pay attention to what Olenna said. *"Be a dragon."* People can argue that Olenna gave her bad advice and that it wasn't rightful given their current circumstance, but at the end of the episode she was proven justified. As of right now Dany has lost both connection to Yara's Iron Fleet and Ellaria's Dornish army. That's 2/3 of Dany's Westeros allegiance, and Cersei is already planning to take the final piece from Olenna. Tyrion's plan was forged without thought of his siblings' own plans nor did it factor Euron and his impeccable armada - that's a huge fault considering they were using ships. Once her alliance cracks, Dany will be that dragon Olenna wanted. Olenna's probably going to die like her granddaughter did: from the foolish mistakes of others. I fully believe her outlook on the situation was the proper one.
YES!!! Tyrion was wrong in Meereen too. Sure he bought her time to arrive with Drogon and the dothraki, but Grey worm was right. Tyrion wanted to go to the beach and fight, GW told him to protect the pyramid
I never saw Olenna do thing for the greater good, why she will change, she has an agenda. She has nothing left, except killing Cercei. Tyrion plan was good as any other plan. The mistake was, Euron attacked faster than anticipating. And Tyrion was right thinking about the end of the war. He want Dany to rule with peace and not with ashes. Why war were so long in the past, because each side do good strategy and bad strategy. We are still with the same war started in season 1. Alliance are made and unmade. Everyone wants to shine. No Olenna did not change, still ploting as before. She is seizing Dany, because noone knows Dany yet in Westeros. but Olenna doesn't care about Dany.
I MISSED THAT the first time. Ned said "there should always be a stark in winterfell. In that little speech with Sansa... Jon says "you are the ONLY Stark in Winterfell" (present tense) Which could mean "Snow" or "Targaryen" but they do love to drop us these little hints with double meanings.
That WAS Nymeria. The "That's not you" is a callback to Season 1 when Ned is telling Arya what he envisions her life being and she says "That's not me".
Would anyone just constantly interrupt and question their boss openly in a big meeting? And then afterwards you tell your boss it is his/ her own fault because they didn't discuss the matter with you? My guess is your ass would be fired, or you would be on a very short leash. This is the same type of relationship, the boss is under no obligation run every detail through you first.
The boss would still have a meeting with higher ups and advisers to ensure everything was settled before going into a group meeting with staff members. Things like this cannot be done without the foundation of an inner circle.
@Bhlack Bishop But Jon is like her boss in this situation, he is an authority figure above her. It is not a parliament or a democracy. He is actually above her.
**Zenobia** you gotta admit they were important details though. Not like 'I'm going to stay there for 2 weeks rather than 1' but the fact that he just decided to go and didn't discuss with them who'd be running the North in his absence. I don't think it's exactly the boss situation you mentioned because Sansa is the rightful Stark heir so she isn't JUST a subordinate.
She is just like a subordinate, that is how absolute monarchy works. Look at Cersei and Joffrey, she was his mother but she still had to obey. Sansa does have a say, she had her chance to speak out, she made a good point about Aerys burning their grandfather, and Jon listened to her, but he stuck to his choice. She should have accepted his choice, because she had her turn to speak. But instead she interrupted him and questioned his devotion to the people. Of course it would have been good to discuss everything ahead of time, I am not saying it wouldn't have been. They did have a bit of a discussion beforehand, Sansa has already heard why Jon might have made this decision, and Jon knew exactly wat she thought the subject. Jon could have had another discussion with her. But Jon is is under no obligation to tell Sansa anything, he is not married her, she is not Queen. And disrespecting or disobeying a ruler when he is issuing an order or giving a judgement is a very serious offence, which is something that people don't seem to understand. Look at what happened to Jonos Slynt he disrespected and disobeyed Jon openly, his head was chopped off. No batted an eyelid over that, because it is one the most obvious rules. This is how serious this offence can become, it is something that can be punished by death. It seems like Sansa is abusing her status as Jon's sister. If Sansa really loved him or had any respect for him then she would stop placing him in this potion.
This time I think Sansa was just afraid of losing Jon, she didn't want him to go because of what The Mad King did to her Grandfather and Uncle. But I did notice her protest end abruptly after he left her the North lol.
What Arya meant by saying "That's not you" was reflecting on when she was talking to Ned, her father and he told her she would be married to a great lord and her sons will be great warriors and she said, "No, that's not me." She understood that Limeria no longer was her pet and was a leader with a pack. Arya would need to go to Winterfell alone.
To be fair the only reactor ive seen thus far who got it was aabbieReacts and shes a pretty hardcore fan as ive seen her commenting in multiple Thrones reactions vids in the past.
They damaged the perfectly preserved Balerion's skull... Even Robert who hated the Targs more than anyone was not so low. Oh well, I guess one is a woman who burned thousands just to kill a few and another is a man who cut open living humans for study. Not the kinds to show any respect toward priceless historical artifacts.
Hunter Boyle. Olenna has changed. It has been 4 seasons since then and circumstances have changed. Back then the wars were petty with so many kings in Westeros. Now, this war means something. It has depth. Olenna has seen her legacy go to waste at the hands of Cersei. She is old and has nothing to live for other than revenge and blood. War is what she wants and Dany is trying to be very good in conquering what is hers. Olenna told her that that isn't possible. She has to be a dragon and she has to lay down her cards and show the realm who and what she really is.
Baelish is from the Vale (The Fingers, small land) I just notice, what he is trying to do. Saying Ned loved Cat, him loved Cat and now Sansa as she look like her mom. He knew Cat hated Jon. So he is trying to make Jon wary of Sansa, she will be the same as Cat regarding him. So he playing Jon who is now a more easy target than Sansa.
Not only had Grey Worm and Missandei already kissed, Grey Worm had already given a very similar speech about how Missandei was his one fear. Some parts of that scene definitely felt like too much of a rehash. Love how Arya eats like the Hound. Laughed my ass off at them both chowing down like total pigs in the farmer's house, while him and his daughter just looked on in shock. Would've been funny to see a scene with Sansa and Arya eating together in Winterfell, and Sansa staring in horror/amusement at her sister's eating habits.
Jon did not speak enough, that killed him once, he did not learn his lesson. He thinks people will follow because he said the White Walker are there, but for The night watch in season 5 and the North in season 7. they have no clue what is a Withe Walker. They cannot understand his fears, he did not explain what they are exactly. Glad to know Bran is coming to Winterfell soon, so, him will explain what they are.
I get you point but he was killed by a bunch of radicals. The NW is a democracy, they actually vote there's a reason they had a civil war, Jon wasn't unanimously hated. You can disagree with what someone believes in without murdering them.
You name a guy first ranger, and you do not ask him to follow you to the wildling, and you know that first ranger hates your guts. Think about it. If Allisher went to Hardbone with Jon, he will have change his mind about the White Walker, and he will have not decide to kill Jon.
Pleeease let Theon save Yara! What a great ending to that story it would be. Of course I wouldn't be shocked if she's dead in the next episode, but I really hope not.
Hey Hunter!! Happy to see your reaction 😀😀😀Don't you think Qyburn's weapon to kill dragons is a bit ...meh? I have so many questions, like, how do you aim on flying dragons fast enough while in battle? Can it resist to dragon Fire? Will it actually kill a dragon? Since they've only tested it on a petrified Balerion skull . 😒😒😒😒 Also , Drogon (obvioulsy) is WAYY bigger than he was in 5x9. I feel that the writers are trying to give a bit of hope to Cersei, because let's be honest here, If Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal are coming in your direction they'll turn you and your weapon into ashes in seconds 😂😂😂 Excited for ep 3😃😃😃g
Brunna Eyer, if the dragons keep moving like Drogon did in Astapor, they don't stand a chance of hitting them unless they've got dozens of them. If they hover in one spot spitting fire like they did over the ship, I think they'll at least injure one. Hopefully Dany keeps them moving.
Jon did have a meeting with Sansa and Davos, and he asked their opinions, but the final decision lies with him. He is the King he does not have to ask for Sansa's approval or tell her exactly what he is doing. It is a simple concept that you don't interrupt a leader in such a manner, Sansa isn't 3, she didn't interrupt Tywin, Joffrey, Cersei or Roose or whoever, why is she constantly doing it now?
Well as you can see, the people who she didn’t interrupt all turned out to be horrible leaders. It's about respecting people calling you out and having the decency to respect the opinions of others. As for it being public well that's Jon's fault.
People have short memories, Jon did speak to her and he asked her opinion, he knew her thoughts on the matter. Tywin was one of best, did he ever tell all of his plans to everyone? Or ask anyone's permission before announcing anything? Sansa can say what she wants to say, but she has to accept Jon's answers, but instead she keeps on questioning him when his mind is made up. She had a chance to speak when she talked about their grandfather being burned, after that she should have remained quiet. Jon heard what she said he just didn't follow her advice. Jon has the final say, in this situation they are not brother and sister. There is an army of White Walkers and undead soldiers approaching they have more than a hundred thousand dead wights, the North doesn't even have half those numbers. But of course Jon is a terrible ruler because he wants to find alliances and weapons to fight this army.
**Zenobia** I do not agree at all! Yes, Jon is the King BUT you basically want him to be like all other kings, like Ned stark, which as Sansa said made some stupid choices! I agree that she shouldn't go at him like that in front of all those people, but if he doesn't tell her what he's going to do then that what's going to happen. I'm sorry but this is all on Jon. If he had told her that he was going to dragonstone and that he was going to leave winterfell in her hands, then she wouldn't have spoke up like that AGAIN! I can clearly tell that you love the whole "I am king, everyone else is my servant and that's that" scenario, but that won't work here. They need to work together because what one of them has, the other one lacks!
They're both at fault. Jon needs to discuss his decisions before springing them up last minute and Sansa needs to shut the the hell up in front of the Lords and argue with Jon in private. She is undermining him and making him look weak which provides the incentive for other Lords to question Jon, as they did here. It's a Stark thing, being shit at communicating.
Hey Hunter. I love you as a reactor and my advice to you is to put your face in the thumbnail for your reactions. I never found last week's GOT reaction and only found this week because I looked your channel up. I feel like your videos would have many more views if people see your face in your thumbnail. PS You're so smart you, predicted Euron's ambush on Yara's fleet way before any other reactor I've watched.
It's much more than that. Yes, Olenna wants revenge - but she's not hellbent on it. Tyrion's approach was basically planned as if they were the white chess pieces with the first move.. and that was a *stupid* thing to do. They completely disregarded Cersei's own possible plans and had zero word on Euron after he joined her. It was prematurely planned. Olenna had every reason to be wary of his plot, which is why she gave a hesitant nod after everyone else agreed. Then when Dany had a private word with her, she reminded her that *Dany is still the power behind their alliance* and she needed to use that power should Tyrion's plan fell apart - which it did. Olenna, as usual in her lifetime, was not wrong.
Righto, because I was finding it hard to get a good read on Ollena. Was thinking 'is she trying to play Dani against Tyrion?'. Guessing her loss has changed her priorities. Good point Ex Oh, didnt think about that.
Olenna had an important point about fear. Everyone loved Margaery, but her social skills and her cunning were no match for Cersei's ruthlessness. Sometimes you have to summon the dragon.
Cersei is insane and will do ANYTHING to keep her power. Dany can't just be "smart" at this point. Margaery was "smart" and she was fucked at the end. "Smart" doesn't get you the throne when you're up against Cersei. She NEEDS to be a dragon.
She needs to be a dragon, but a calculating one like Aegon, or like she was in Astapor. That kind of Dragon. Why should she attack KL that has wildfire underneath, or attack villages with paesants who have nothing to offer her, when she can just wait till Jaime and his army are away from the safety of KL, right there on the open field??? IMO Tyrion is a fucking liar. He only wants Dany to go easy on her enemies, cuz if she goes full dragon on them, his precious Jaime will burn first. Hes protecting Jaimes ass, more than her reputation.
I get your Olenna comment, but i think there are other characters that are more worthy of that sort of inspection of contradiction. I think Olenna is just out for revenge, she wants to see Cersei burn. Dany is out for the long game. Which could work, but wont because of other pressing matters that will interrupt the long game.
Dam right Tyrion.The Lannister's conspired to murder Jons bro, his sis-by-law as Frey called it his mother and Grey Wind. Sam's dad said the same thing to ''The Kingslayer'' S7.2 i hope he sides with Jon?
+Hunter Boyle 7:06 I'm pretty iffy if Lord Tarly decides to stand on Cerseis side...he was a loyalist to House Targaryen in Robert's Rebellion. And as he pointed out Dany has 3 full grown dragons. I tend to say that he will go with Dany, because his landlords are the Tyrells and he swore an oath to them, but Cersei on the other hand is neither legitimate nor a good ruler, although he showed up at King's Landing and basically said he doesn't play backstabbing games and Dothraki may be another word for Wildings for him and we know what he thinks about them....I don't knooooow. 7:41 I don't think the Ballista/big bow thingy is any good....I really hope I'm right about that....pleeeease, we need the dragons, seriously. But when Qyburn said "the finest artillerists and *blacksmiths in King's Landing* have been laboring day and night" I immediately thought of Gendry. 10:30 and 23:57 Lady Olenna basically suggested (among other things) to ignore Tyrion. She mentioned him for a reason I think. She is the one who framed Tyrion for the murder of Joffrey alongside with Littlefinger, if he finds out... That and that she obviously is out for revenge (she is still wearing black) makes sense to me that she would suggest Dany "to be a dragon". Olenna just wants fire and blood, that's how I see it.
The Wall will stand but the dead are going to walk around it because the shivering sea has frozen over, watch the intro of this episode and you will see the ocean has finally frozen for the dead to cross through.
I'm not entirely sure the reasoning behind your complaints about the writing. The show is not perfectly written and i wouldn't argue that but what exactly was poorly done this episode? Idk it might just be me but it does sound like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. I think this episode was actually one of the better written episodes with a lot of call backs and consequences of past actions, one that even went over your head. Neither the books or show are written perfectly after a certain book/season but it doesn't affect it as much as you're acting like it does in my opinion. Hope I don't sound angry or anything in this comment since I do see some comments getting mad at you saying stuff like this but i'd just like to get your point of view.
victorsixtythree Yeah at the end before she cut but it was a shame because she could have talked about why specifically she feels that way but didn't and she just ended the video.
"complaining for the sake of complaining" is never a valid point, all it does is try to cheapen the other party's claim/opinion. As to your point asking what might've been poorly done in this episode, Hunter herself mentioned Olenna's advice clashed with the mentality she held before. There's also the point of Jon seeking counsel from Sansa/Davos before the meeting but still making his decision and Sansa, all the same, speaking against it publicly. It's not logically consistent with what the characters had just established in the previous episode. She's brought up the lack of communication among these characters but you can also see it in Dany, that conversation she had with Varys would've been perfectly okay to have behind closed doors but she felt nothing of airing it out in public, which fine she's allowed to. But remember how quickly she banished Jorah when she first learned of his years-old betrayal? Varys gets a slap on the wrist and a stern warning and he doesn't even have seniority yet haha. More to that, she then doubles down on her hardheadedness and threatens him with death by fire? Also the whole demanding Jon travel south and bend the knee? Do those two things remind you of any other Targaryens? She's overplaying her hand because she's unaware of the situation up north, granted there's no way she could know but I feel she's rocking the boat too much without yet putting a solid foothold on Westeros. The characters, I feel, are moving too far ahead of the world's events around them. Oh and drawn out eunuch sex scene and more gross out bait and switches, pretty lazy imo. But these are my words, you didn't ask me you asked Hunter, treat my words as just another perspective to consider.
Siegmeyer Yeah I realised after the fact that i was wrong to say the "complaining for the sake of complaining" bit but didn't want to edit it out and act like i didn't say it. I only consider the Olenna bit at all "poor writing" the other two you mentioned are not inconsistent with their characters i don't think. Jon has and always will have poor communication skills. He had it in both the book and show regarding the wildling situation and it got himself killed. Is it also that hard to believe that Jon wouldn't tell Sansa something? I mean i get that saying it to her beforehand would help but Jon randomly deciding "Oh from now on i'm going to act out of character and actually communicate" would be way more inconsistent than what he did. Do you blame poor writing for a character flaw? Regarding your point about Varys, Jorah was way closer to Dany than Varys ever has or will be. For Dany (once again in book and show) it was not the fact that Jorah betrayed her but the fact that he never once mentioned that he had with all the opportunities he had and in both times he's exiled that is mentioned. I won't make the same point again about Jon and having a character flaw but i believe that to be the case with Dany too and it not just be because the writers don't know the character. I've no idea if any of that made sense but i hope it did.
+lokjojiojo jji I don't even consider the Olenna bit to be poor writing honestly. She's not who she was four seasons ago. Her entire family has just been wiped out. She's done playing the long game, there's no point anymore. The future of House Tyrell is null. The family line can't be furthered. She's living solely to see her family avenged, even if it takes dragonfire and Dothraki to ensure that.
Theon took so much sh*t from fans for that move, but honestly it was the ONE option he had that could save Yara's life. I think it was a more calculated move than ppl give him credit for. Yes, there was PTSD kicking in, but had he done anything other than what he did, it would've been worse. If he'd curled into a ball, he and Yara would've both been held captive or killed. If he'd charged, they both would've been killed. At least this way, they both remain alive and he will eventually have the opportunity to rescue her.
Notice Randyll Tarly called out Cersei and Jaime's bullshit. Cersei was stating facts about Dany, though. Whether those decisions were morally in the right is kinda irrelevant to her goals. But I mention Randyll because it seems Jaime was trying to win him over by appealing to his racism. That age-old trick. We know how he feels about wildlings so if people are referring to Jon's army as a wildling army they just might win him over.
You're on point about Olenna. It felt out of character for her to tell Dany to basically go at Cersei. She was always cunning like Margaery and would've supported Tyrion's plans. I'd like to believe she's just acting out of emotions and not from bad writing.
It is not bad writing, it is about revenge. Lady Olenna wants Cercei dead. So she is trying to manipulate Dany, but Dany did not beleive her, we saw it on her face. Lady Olenna will die soon
It's actually right on point with her character. Lady Olenna has always been someone who was ten steps ahead of those around her, and her advice to Dany matched what happened by the end of the episode. There's no way they can get through this without Dany being *a dragon.* But it's far too late for Olenna at this point since Jaime and Cersei got Lord Tarly. She'll be gone soon. I just hope it's quick and she delivers one final hookline.
ok I've read a bunch of the explanations of the "that's not you" line and I still don't get it. If you go back to that season 1 scene Arya first asks if she could be a lord of a holdfast and then Ned responds that she will be a wife and mother and her sons will do cool shit and THEN she responds "that's not me" so it wasn't about being wild and free it was about not giving up her agency and power and I can't get how that relates to this Nymeria interaction.
I wil be kind, good evening Hunter... What do you want Theon to do, to try kill Euron ? He is alone, all his men are dead, he advance on him, Euron kills Yara. The primal instinct is to survive, so he jumps in the water hoping to survive there. I agree with You Alfie Allen is great actor. But in same position i will jump too.
My life is more important than my sister. Begging with Euron, the guy is nut as Ramsay, we saw it, and Theon knows it. They are big difference between sister and your own child. And do not forget Theon did not grow up with her. Fact of life, when I told my sister i do not dislike my father because he did incest with you, this is between you and him. I dislike my father for what he did to me. And I pardon my father for what he did to me, what he did to my sisters, I cannot do anything about that. Call me cold if you want, but we love and hate for so many reasons.
I think Olena was in a "fuck it" kinda mood, knowing that her house will die with her regardless of who wins the war. So she was hoping to convince Dany to just kill that bitch Cersi :D :D
Great callback to Lady Olenna. But she had a different POV then, her prodigy hadn't been torched. All that consumes my favorite Lady Of Thorns now is revenge..Daenerys can go Mad Queen at times, and listening to advice from someone consumed with grief may not be the best option. We can only hope Tyrion hangs around to keep Dany from absorbing Lady Olenna's grief into her own revenge, and this thing doesn't go pear shaped.
The problem is the show doesn't express the same background as the books. Varys's loyalties are a lot less unclear than one can get from his actions and his words. I wonder how the writers of the show will reconcile that or if they've turned Varys into a "we the people" character. Dany is screwing up IMHO by expecting everyone's submission, especially when she says she's going to break the wheel. Democracy is the only way you can do that and becoming the Queen expecting total fealty is counterproductive to that goal. Instead she should have had Tyrion send ravens to all major and minor keep holders requesting their presence to discuss what they'd want to do with the Mad Queen of King's Landing who just used wildfire on a bunch of innocent people in her own city.
And Sansa point about Cerse killing all her opponents is way of basem. Yeah she managed to kill some of them. But a good number of her enemies that are dead died through no action of hers., and their are several people she has openly sought d ad who are breathing quite easily now.. People like Sansa, a Tyrion and the Sand Snakes whobkilled her daughter. Though that last one is certain I o change quickly. Then she has open enemies like Little Finger and Olena from previous times, both safe for now.
I have a feeling Theon will wind up giving his life to save Yara, I think he'll make it back to Dragonstone and tell Dany what happened and hopefully they can save her somehow, if the writers let Theon survive years of torture, only to be Reek again, I will be incredibly disappointed and I will lose some respect for them because Theon's character is so complex and interesting, it would be a waste to not give him a purpose.
Alfie Allen makes it so hard for me to dislike Theon. Like, i just want to give him a hug. Not throw him into the middle of a fucking war with dragons and crazy mysterious Uncles, and a Queen that is blowing up Septs and shit.
Jon did talk to Sansa, that he changed his mind is his own choice. He is King not Sansa, he isn’t obligated to discuss anything, let alone everything with her. Period. Do we hold every other ruler to to that standard of discussing every choice they are going to make with all their advisers or let them know every time they change their mind? The answer is no, thus Jon isn’t in the wrong..
Seeing how Varys was standing behind Dany on the boat at the end of season six, I figured the confrontation already took place and the matter was settled. To see it in this episode made no logical sense and was emotionally jarring. I did not like it.
Who's yelling at you!!! SHAME SHAME SHAME on them. I think there are many who are explaining the Nymeria thing, so I don't need to go there. Totally agree about Jon and Sansa, they need to start singin' off the same sheet of music!! And get Littlefinger the hell away....then again, where would he go? He might be better kept within earshot. The Jorah scene...and I thought last week with the poop soup was bad...holy cats. Great review. Watcha gotta review next???
+Hunter Boyle I don't buy the PTSD thing, like Jon said "you touch my sis you die" let's be honest we all thought Yara's head was coming off and we know Theon has a good aim when he sniped the guy who held Bran @ knife point. Yeah PTSD could affect your tactical abilities but not when it comes to the protection of a loved one, or does it?
Dude the axe was at her throat, Euron's crew was still alive, why charge in like an emotional wreck just to save a loved one when you escaping might save them both. The PTSD did come in play, but consciously he also made a very informed decision.
Remember the last dude who charged in to save their family member? His name was Jon Snow and he almost ridden down by Bolton cavalry because of it. Jon had an Army at his back and Rickon wasn't right next to Ramsay. Theon had no back up, Nowhere to go after he saved Yara, Outclassed as a warrior By his sister who just got taken 1 on 1 by his uncle.That was a no win scenario. He went into reek mode and ran. He made the right choice for the wrong reason. Living to fight another day with the chance of saving her at a later time was the closest thing to a victory that could have come from that.
Toast Knight I'm just saying 🙄, Theon was a lot braver when rescuing Sansa even as reek also Jamie and bron have both saved someone from knife point, just saying 😇
The Nymeria scene was a bit off. I have been wondering why. I think it probably to do with Maisie Williams acting. She's not very good imo. A cute competent child actor cannot alway progress to a good adult actor.
I have no qualms with her acting. Arya used to be a child full of independence & now she's an adult full of life lessons & experience that most characters won't go through. IMO, Maisie has provided a great portrayal of Arya growing older and wiser. #TooEachHisOwn
We are used to see Arya thinner, now she has more fat. Her face is more round as before. It is not the acting for me, more with Arya is eating better now. She has coins, before she has not. and the scene was sadness and happyness at the same time. Sad because Nymeria will not follow her and happy bacause Nymeria find her own path. Happy for Nymeria and sad for herself. So it is why the emotion were difficult to see.
Wow, it took this season for you to see Jon's importance. You're pretty intuitive, but you totally missed that Jon was important, showing even from the beginning in Season 1 episode 1. I didn't read the books and I saw that he was the central point of this entire show. The fact that Dani was always the one to get all the brownie points was to mislead the viewers to like her more than Jon. Saw that right off. I have loved Jon from the moment Catelyn was a bitch to him. In fact I'm glad Lady Stoneheart (when I finally read about her in the books)was never in the show. That's how much I can't stand Catelyn. Didn't morn her death, but I was saddened for her kids. But yeah, as intuitive as you seem to be, you totally missed Jon's importance in the show. You are human afterall, I was starting to wonder. lol Love your reactions. I know late comment. I just recently discovered you channel. You're very entertaining. Love it.
Noooo. What I *SAID* was that I didnt like him and didnt care about him until this season. I never said Jon wasnt important. I said no matter who was on the throne, Jon had to win or everyone was screwed. me not liking him doesnt interpret to him not being important. I dont like Baelish. Doesnt mean he hasnt been influential to the plot.
No part of this show was done to "mislead the viewer to like (Dany) more than Jon." That doesn't even make sense. Everyone doesn't have to like Jon, you know? I never liked him either, but it was obvious he was important as Hunter said.
Storm Bey I don’t know. I loved Dany for the same reason I loved Jon. I love tragic characters.
I didn’t like Sansa in the first and first half of second season because she was just a whinny, entitled little girl.
I loved Jon and Arya the first very scene they were shown in. And no I didn’t read the books until after season 6.
Ppl generally gravitate more towards Dany because she’s “more exciting” and Jon and the Night’s Watch story was “boring.” I actually found both stories exciting, and even more so in Jon’s case at certain points. Dany season 2 storyline was a little boring, and I have never felt that way about Jon’s storyline in any season.
That was Nymeria, the "That's not you" line refers to Nymeria not being "Nymeria" anymore, she's no longer her pet. The writers also said this references Season 1 when Ned told Arya she'll be a princess one day and marry and have children, and she responded: "No. That's not me".
This.
"A direwolf is no pet" Robert Baratheon
nooooo she didnt get this either?? I usually read comments first to get a feel.. crazy only a couple have understood
The wolf actually was Nymeria. When Arya said "That's not you.", it was a call back to season 1 when she told Ned, "No, that's not me.", when he said that she would become a lady and wear dresses and stuff. Nymeria has her own life in the wild, so being a domesticated wolf for Arya in Winterfell isn't her. Nymeria mirrors Arya's own life. (:
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- I realize during editing that Baelish isnt from the South, but oh well.
- Awww. I get the "It's not you" reference now. Thanks y'all!
Hunter Boyle Baelish is from the south, from the perspective of the North. He was born in the Fingers, on the coast of the Vale. As far as Northerners are concerned all of Westeros south of them is the south.
Yes, the North has a different culture. The fingers geographically are on the line between south and north, but they are still Southerners, the believe in the same religion, act and dress the same way. Soo yeah I don't see a problem with calling him a Southerner.
Hunter Boyle Everyone was telling me about the Nymeria "It's not you"... 😜 Ok! I get it!!! 🤣 Love ur breakdown; looking fwd to Sunday! 🤗👍🏼🍷
I think the Arya and Nymeria encounter echoes the scenes with Dani and Drogon where she reaches out to touch him but he does not let her at first. "They are wild animals" I bet Nymeria will be there when Arya gets in trouble.
Lol I know!! :)
"Youre not dying today Sir Jorah" Samwell Tarly
"Tarly I forbid you to die" Joer Mormont
Nice callback to S3 when the defeated and depleted Nights Watch are trudging back to Crastor's after the battle at the Fist of the First Men.
YES!!! Im glad I aint the only one who remembered that. I teared up when Sam said that
Pat Logic nice catch, I didn't even realize that
At first I hated what Theon did but in hindsight loved that scene. From Alfie Allen's acting to the classic GoT tactic of subverting our expectations of a character's arc in a moment we least expect it. Like you said Hunter, the audience understands why, but it's still so sad, real and infuriating at the same time. Which also makes it a great scene imo.
That was me, totally! :) I hated it, I screamed at the screen in fury... and then I rewatched it many many times and I totally fell in love with his acting, the depiction of PTSD kicking in, the entire cinematography of it - all those parallels between Ramsay and Euron in that moment for instance - and the subversion of my expectations. Because of course I wanted a heroic death scene at that moment, I was sure that was it for Theon's arc... but they are doing something more realistic and we'll just have to wait and see where they are taking us next! Theon is not my most beloved, but certainly one of the more interesting characters at this time for me.
1/10 for diving tho
Jay S I can see why he did it, but looking at the storyline it was a bit disappointing, it seems like 6 years of wasted story arc and we're back to square one
It wasn't "simple" PTSD but a fallback to his Reek mindset.
this is why i like the Theon character so much. Hes' not a hero. He's weak and damaged like most of all of us are. We might want to be John or Dany or Arya but most of us are far more like Theon than we would care to admit. Besdies Dany i a bit of an Egomaniac and Arya is totally close to madness herself.
Lady Olenna has become embittered by life. Her son, grandson, and beloved granddaughter were taken from her. Margaery died because she was following Olenna and the prototypical Tyrell example: be cautious, careful, calculated, and grow strong. Cersei's impulsive and destructive desires provided a counterexample to, and thus shattered, her narrative. She's in chaos, and is no longer certain of the "wisdom" she once believed she had. Her future and hope were taken because the wisdom she provided proved insufficient. She's resentful of life and the future.
Basically, you have her motives wrong. She's not looking for a better future. She's looking to cause as much destruction and misery as possible to the people she believes robbed her of that future.
Very true. She's just out for revenge.
Adding onto this: even in this moment in her life she seems to never be all that wrong. Tyrion's plan fell to pieces, and now Dany will have to be the dragon she told her to be in order to hold the shards of their alliance together. That power will be the only thing to save Dany from losing to Cersei now, along with Jon Snow's help should she get it. Even in chaos she's somehow ahead of the rest of the game. Unfortunately I don't believe she's going to live this through - not that she cares either way. She sewed the seed of her vengeance in Dany during their conversation, and Cersei is as good as dead.
I mean, if we think about it, Tyrion's plan with the Masters fell apart too. Missandei told her a long time ago that she would weigh the options and do what no one else could see. She should go back to that now.
Exactly. Tyrion's an amazing hand for Dany and his advice is the most valuable for her out of everyone, but he can be wrong with his plans. At first I was totally the same as everyone else in judging Olenna based on her losses and the fact that she didn't care about the future nor her own life any longer. But after reviewing it, I realized even in her bitter state she's still capable of being such a remarkably intelligent woman. It's gonna be tough to see her go.
Not really. Olenna's advice was completely sound. All Dany needs to do to win is take KL and kill Cersei. She could do it within a day. Tyrion's plan is absolutely dreadful and I'm surp anyone supports it. He is splitting their armies in two for little apparent reason and refusing to utilise their dragons on the ground that it would kill people. Just as many people would die of starvation during a siege, and the unsullied are trained not to rape, loot or burn. Apart from that, Tyrion gives no acknowledgement to what his brother and sister could be planning and doesn't factor in Euron's at all. It's a pretty poor plan overall. Olenna has already been proved right by Euron's ambush. I just hope more catastrophic defeats aren't necessary for Dany to realise her mistake.
I loooove the dynamic between Sansa and Jon tho. Sansa, a wolf raised by lions. Jon, a dragon raised by wolves. Sansa knows the South, knows Cersei, knows how the "game" is played; she recognized the threat in the South and, most importantly, is thinking about the long term(how to solidify their rule in the North for the future, making sure everyone around them is loyal). Just like the maestar said in the last episode, everything will have an end, including the war with the White Walkers. This is why i believe Sansa will prevail and will survive. I just hope that the writers won't make Sansa be manipulated by Littlefinger.... she's too smart for that at this point.
Jon on the other hand is only focused on the White Walkers. He's thinking of the short term. He's seen the Night Kind and his army, he knows the threat is real and he's 100% determined on only that. His role pretty much ends once they defeat the White Walkers; what can you see him doing after that? He doesn't want to rule. It reminds me of what Varys said about Robert in this episode. That being said he *is* good at ruling. He doesn't have a small council, he talks about his plans to everyone and everyone gets a chance to counter his decisions(Sansa especially). This is a huge change compared to every other ruler. It feels more like a democracy, thought that may not be a good thing imo.
And I understand that you understand that Theon has some severe PTSD, but he can't just "man up". He's like 50% Theon, 50% Reek(that was obvious when he was totally okay with getting Ellyra a drink, like a servant). Ramsey destroyed him and even before Ramsey he was kind of a coward. Theon's gonna feel immense guilt at abandoning Yara, and rightfully so.
Anyway sorry of the essay, I love your reactions and insight :)
+Nevi1097 Nice "essay", but I don't agree that Jon is thinking of the short term. He knows that if the White Walkers aren't defeated, everything else becomes a non-issue. None of the other Lords and Ladies have seen the WW, including Sansa. While I don't doubt she believes Jon, the idea of the WWs is purely abstract to her and the others. She and the other lords view Cersei (and possibly Dany), as their biggest threats while Jon knows better -- he knows that Cersei and Dany will have to become their allies against the WW, or else they're all doomed. What did he say to the other lords? "None of you have seen them. You don't know what's coming" . Jon knows that without having seen them, the lords can't be convinced that it's ridiculous to worry about who is ruling what kingdom when a huge, self-replenishing army of the dead will soon be on their doorstep. Bottom line, Jon is the only leader who sees the whole picture, and consequently, the only one thinking long term.
I agree! No one else has seen the threat and therefore, although Jon's supporters believe him, they don't take it as seriously. Jon felt the fear and doom that the WW bring. That being said, there *will* be an after, and Jon is not thinking of an after because he believes the WW have a very good chance of "winning" and therefore nothing else matters(it does); that's what I meant when I said he's thinking of the short term.
"She eats like the Hound"
I am so happy you noticed that about Arya....I love that about her.
Great reaction Hunter, B. :)
Dany showed her true colors:
Lier, promise breaker: Promised to make Yara queen of the iron islands. Now she wants Jon to bow down to her and to rule everything. Talked of "I'm going to break the wheel" (Ending feudalism), and now she says "I WAS BORN TO RULE!!!!!!!!!"
Sadist: Burned Innocent alive, fed them to her dragons, citified hundreds without trial. And now she threatens her allies with incineration.
Hypocrite: "I want be queen of the ashes".. But you'll starve the people to death in a long siege? Why even trying to take the seven kingdom? It's useless! You have a kingdom in Essos, rule it! Oh, I forgot... You left that kingdom in the hands of a narcissistic sell sword who explained to you that he couldn't care less about the city "Fuck Meereen, fuck the people".
Best course of action for her would be to follow Yara's advice and just end this war in a day. But Dany wants countless deaths, starvation and misery.
Euron's character was save to me:) Finally, we see more of Euron in him :)
Yara and Dany fail, big... Dany should've had her dragons to scout ahead of her fleet and offer aerial support (Meaning, game over, she has dragons, she wins). And Yara should've acted like she's at war, instead of drinking ale and letting Dornish ladies to fondle her. Well, you pay for you mistakes and Euron made sure to annihilate them. Besides, I find it disgusting that she constantly wave sex in front of Theon, like it means nothing to him. I feel like every time she does that, he's dying even more inside. That is just horrible. It's waving the one thing his old self liked the most, the one thing that he will never have again because someone destroyed his life. Horrible sister's behavior.
I can't blame Theon... A man like him, who suffers from extreme trauma, should never see combat. But besides, there was nothing he could do. Yara's faith was sealed. He could die trying to save her or he could die after killing Euron. Now he can live to fight another day and hopefully think of a way to save her. Unlikely, but still, better than nothing.
Sand snakes: THANKS GOD! Although, Miss "horrible d&d line" should've poisoned her mum and herself. I mean, it should have been obvious to them that if they are captured, they are not going to be killed... They are far too important and far too pretty. The battle is lost, you have no escape, kill yourselves.
Hunter - you're the only reactor that I've seen that brings up how Jon keeps blindsiding Sansa. They did talk about Dany but he said he wasn't going... then announces in the open meeting that he's going. He needs to have a small council and stuff where they can argue about this stuff in private before he makes his announcements to everyone. She still shouldn't be challenging him in front of everyone though.
Also, Arya meant that Nymeria isn't the 'pet' that she used to be... what she should have said is "that's not you anymore".
It wouldnt even take that long!
I talked about how they operate in my vid, it's a lot like Vikings did, where a Jarl would address all the highborn lords and ladies openly, there's no king's guard either.
I'll check your channel. :)
Teresa MLA I think Sansa is in the right questioning him openly. Like you said, Jon keeps blind sighting her. Jon keeps making the same mistakes Robb and Ned would make. Sansa has seen this song and dance before, she knows what needs to be done and if Jon keeps cutting her out of everything and making these honor-based decisions, he is going to be killed same as Ned and Robb
Exactly, it just seem like the most rational thing to do. I'll always be team Jon but he def deserves some blame here for not talking to Sansa before each of these meetings. Especially considering he basically considers her to be second in command so to speak.
Remember Hunter the history of Dorne goes back way before the Marcella poisoning. It goes back to the time before King Robert's rebellion when the Martell women were raped and killed by the Mountain and Lannister soldiers. The Viper told that story a couple times. Plus, Cersei knew of the prophecy of her children and those things coming to pass. So, what we are really looking at is a retaliation from a revenge killing, which neither are good outcomes in this case.
Oh, man. Dany's alliance has to be taken out early in order for Cersei to stand a chance, I guess. Olenna and Highgarden are the next target, and I don't think it'll end well for her either. :( I love the Queen of Thorns.
I just hope the Dornish army and a portion of the Greyjoy fleet are at Dragonstone cause I don’t know if it was the writers or if Tyrion maybe made a mistake but that plan was so ill-conceived.
It was incredibly ill-conceived. They didn't even factor in the moves that Cersei and Jaime would make, let alone the fact that Euron allied himself with them. The Iron Fleet is now minuscule, Yara/Ellaria are captured, and Olenna will be the next to be removed from Dany's alliance. These losses were so avoidable.
Awesome to see the Hangouts getting bigger! I'll definitely watch each upcoming ones now that I know it's a thing~
"He's such a good actor!" I don't know if this is true, but I remember hearing that when the producers cast Alfie Allen, they cast him for Theon based on his ability to play Reek. ^_^
Also, I don't think Yara is going to die soon. However... I very much worry about her if Euron is as sadistic as he seems.
Before I even watch the reaction, yayy!!!! I've been anticipating your reaction the most because I know it's gonna be thoughtful and insightful and just overall awesome!
Theon cannot "man up" he's mentally broken, Even putting him in that situation is ludicrous as he was always going to do what he did, the fact he latest as long as he did was a miracle.
Furthermore, given the situation, his move was tactically correct, his death would serve no purpose, by surviving he at least has a chance to report back what happened and try and rescue Yara later hopefully.
Great reaction like usual Hunter, btw I was totally confused too at the Nymeria scene glad you learned the situation.
As a confirmed coward myself I am not going to condemn Theon for what he did.
Hi, Hunter! I enjoyed the group live stream - a lot of fun!
-I really liked this episode. I thought the writing felt "back on track" - so many great scenes that were mostly just dialogue.
-I thought "the big crossbow" was definitely calling back to Joffrey's crossbow, but I don't think Joffrey designed it (although I don't know who did then).
-Greyworm and Missandei definitely "lay down together" after Greyworm was injured but we don't know if it went further than that.
-Last thing, does your husband watch the show with you or do you watch separately? (edit: I guess it is obvious you watch by yourself, but didn't your husband recommend GoT to you in the first place?)
Regarding Lady Olenna: I must first declare that I LUV this character and Diana Rigg is wonderful! Having said that:
1) Remember her conversation with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes (S6 E10); her motivation has changed since season 4, she's not out for the survival and prosperity of her house, she's out for revenge against Cersei. She knows she won't be around long enough to have to live with the consequences and doesn't care!
2) Margaery was beloved, but she's not ashes because of the common folk. She was MURDERED by Cersei.
3) Olenna had an opportunity to prevent the sept explosion in S6 when Cersei came to her for help, but QoT turned her down ('worst person I've ever met' scene).
I disagree, cersei didnt truly want olenna's help she wanted her in that church to burn as well.Cersei is a selfish so and so and you could hear the pretence in her voice while talking about how horrible she felt,she carry it with her everyday! As for Olenna she is right and im sure before the season is out will be proven. The problem is not lady Olenna's advice but tyrion's plan
I think they improved the design of ballista to increase the velocity of the spears being fired. It is based on the same concept as a crossbow but they should have to crank it to reload. The resistance would be enormous on a weapon that size.
If you remember "Watchers on the Wall," they killed a giant with a ballista from the top of the wall but they were firing down. To fire into the air they'd need a lot more tension. That's probably the biggest improvement on that weapon.
Pay attention to what Olenna said. *"Be a dragon."*
People can argue that Olenna gave her bad advice and that it wasn't rightful given their current circumstance, but at the end of the episode she was proven justified. As of right now Dany has lost both connection to Yara's Iron Fleet and Ellaria's Dornish army. That's 2/3 of Dany's Westeros allegiance, and Cersei is already planning to take the final piece from Olenna. Tyrion's plan was forged without thought of his siblings' own plans nor did it factor Euron and his impeccable armada - that's a huge fault considering they were using ships. Once her alliance cracks, Dany will be that dragon Olenna wanted.
Olenna's probably going to die like her granddaughter did: from the foolish mistakes of others. I fully believe her outlook on the situation was the proper one.
*THIS. YOU GET IT. PEOPLE JUMP THE GUN FOR TYRION ALL THE TIME. OLENNA WASN'T WRONG, Y'ALL.*
YES!!! Tyrion was wrong in Meereen too. Sure he bought her time to arrive with Drogon and the dothraki, but Grey worm was right. Tyrion wanted to go to the beach and fight, GW told him to protect the pyramid
I never saw Olenna do thing for the greater good, why she will change, she has an agenda. She has nothing left, except killing Cercei. Tyrion plan was good as any other plan. The mistake was, Euron attacked faster than anticipating. And Tyrion was right thinking about the end of the war. He want Dany to rule with peace and not with ashes. Why war were so long in the past, because each side do good strategy and bad strategy. We are still with the same war started in season 1. Alliance are made and unmade. Everyone wants to shine. No Olenna did not change, still ploting as before. She is seizing Dany, because noone knows Dany yet in Westeros. but Olenna doesn't care about Dany.
I MISSED THAT the first time. Ned said "there should always be a stark in winterfell. In that little speech with Sansa... Jon says "you are the ONLY Stark in Winterfell" (present tense) Which could mean "Snow" or "Targaryen" but they do love to drop us these little hints with double meanings.
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That WAS Nymeria. The "That's not you" is a callback to Season 1 when Ned is telling Arya what he envisions her life being and she says "That's not me".
Would anyone just constantly interrupt and question their boss openly in a big meeting? And then afterwards you tell your boss it is his/ her own fault because they didn't discuss the matter with you? My guess is your ass would be fired, or you would be on a very short leash. This is the same type of relationship, the boss is under no obligation run every detail through you first.
The boss would still have a meeting with higher ups and advisers to ensure everything was settled before going into a group meeting with staff members. Things like this cannot be done without the foundation of an inner circle.
Lol Yeah but Jon's not her boss, she's a member of the board. They can't discuss shit in private and then do another thing in public :D
@Bhlack Bishop But Jon is like her boss in this situation, he is an authority figure above her. It is not a parliament or a democracy. He is actually above her.
**Zenobia** you gotta admit they were important details though. Not like 'I'm going to stay there for 2 weeks rather than 1' but the fact that he just decided to go and didn't discuss with them who'd be running the North in his absence. I don't think it's exactly the boss situation you mentioned because Sansa is the rightful Stark heir so she isn't JUST a subordinate.
She is just like a subordinate, that is how absolute monarchy works. Look at Cersei and Joffrey, she was his mother but she still had to obey. Sansa does have a say, she had her chance to speak out, she made a good point about Aerys burning their grandfather, and Jon listened to her, but he stuck to his choice. She should have accepted his choice, because she had her turn to speak. But instead she interrupted him and questioned his devotion to the people.
Of course it would have been good to discuss everything ahead of time, I am not saying it wouldn't have been. They did have a bit of a discussion beforehand, Sansa has already heard why Jon might have made this decision, and Jon knew exactly wat she thought the subject. Jon could have had another discussion with her.
But Jon is is under no obligation to tell Sansa anything, he is not married her, she is not Queen. And disrespecting or disobeying a ruler when he is issuing an order or giving a judgement is a very serious offence, which is something that people don't seem to understand. Look at what happened to Jonos Slynt he disrespected and disobeyed Jon openly, his head was chopped off. No batted an eyelid over that, because it is one the most obvious rules. This is how serious this offence can become, it is something that can be punished by death.
It seems like Sansa is abusing her status as Jon's sister. If Sansa really loved him or had any respect for him then she would stop placing him in this potion.
This time I think Sansa was just afraid of losing Jon, she didn't want him to go because of what The Mad King did to her Grandfather and Uncle. But I did notice her protest end abruptly after he left her the North lol.
I love how everyone (including me) was all like, "Oh god Dany, no." When she said she wanted Jon to bend the knee.
What Arya meant by saying "That's not you" was reflecting on when she was talking to Ned, her father and he told her she would be married to a great lord and her sons will be great warriors and she said, "No, that's not me." She understood that Limeria no longer was her pet and was a leader with a pack. Arya would need to go to Winterfell alone.
The pie that was promised. Amazing in her travels she hadn't heard.
even hunter didn't get the "that's not you" line THANK GOD !!!!
Everyone's mad we didnt get it. lol
To be fair the only reactor ive seen thus far who got it was aabbieReacts and shes a pretty hardcore fan as ive seen her commenting in multiple Thrones reactions vids in the past.
They damaged the perfectly preserved Balerion's skull... Even Robert who hated the Targs more than anyone was not so low. Oh well, I guess one is a woman who burned thousands just to kill a few and another is a man who cut open living humans for study. Not the kinds to show any respect toward priceless historical artifacts.
Hunter Boyle. Olenna has changed. It has been 4 seasons since then and circumstances have changed. Back then the wars were petty with so many kings in Westeros. Now, this war means something. It has depth. Olenna has seen her legacy go to waste at the hands of Cersei. She is old and has nothing to live for other than revenge and blood. War is what she wants and Dany is trying to be very good in conquering what is hers. Olenna told her that that isn't possible. She has to be a dragon and she has to lay down her cards and show the realm who and what she really is.
Baelish is from the Vale (The Fingers, small land) I just notice, what he is trying to do. Saying Ned loved Cat, him loved Cat and now Sansa as she look like her mom. He knew Cat hated Jon. So he is trying to make Jon wary of Sansa, she will be the same as Cat regarding him. So he playing Jon who is now a more easy target than Sansa.
Littlefinger knows he is losing Sansa, he is trying with Jon. I did not say Jon will go to the trap. but in Littlefinger mind Jon is more easy now.
Not only had Grey Worm and Missandei already kissed, Grey Worm had already given a very similar speech about how Missandei was his one fear. Some parts of that scene definitely felt like too much of a rehash.
Love how Arya eats like the Hound. Laughed my ass off at them both chowing down like total pigs in the farmer's house, while him and his daughter just looked on in shock. Would've been funny to see a scene with Sansa and Arya eating together in Winterfell, and Sansa staring in horror/amusement at her sister's eating habits.
Jon did not speak enough, that killed him once, he did not learn his lesson. He thinks people will follow because he said the White Walker are there, but for The night watch in season 5 and the North in season 7. they have no clue what is a Withe Walker. They cannot understand his fears, he did not explain what they are exactly. Glad to know Bran is coming to Winterfell soon, so, him will explain what they are.
I get you point but he was killed by a bunch of radicals. The NW is a democracy, they actually vote there's a reason they had a civil war, Jon wasn't unanimously hated. You can disagree with what someone believes in without murdering them.
You name a guy first ranger, and you do not ask him to follow you to the wildling, and you know that first ranger hates your guts. Think about it. If Allisher went to Hardbone with Jon, he will have change his mind about the White Walker, and he will have not decide to kill Jon.
new series better be The Leftovers. It is wonderfully creepy and intellectual.
That old ass fossil of Balerion the black Dread lol, I can't believe they are hopeful over that lol
Best question of the episode: Jon Snow (channelling Hunter Boyle) "You talking shit about my family in front of me, in front of their graves?"
Pleeease let Theon save Yara! What a great ending to that story it would be. Of course I wouldn't be shocked if she's dead in the next episode, but I really hope not.
I loved the Livestream! You guys really dissected a lot of shit! 😆😆
It was so much fun!
Hunter Boyle best time ever !
Agreed the livestream was awesome fun I got up at 4am to watch it :/
Hey Hunter!! Happy to see your reaction 😀😀😀Don't you think Qyburn's weapon to kill dragons is a bit ...meh? I have so many questions, like, how do you aim on flying dragons fast enough while in battle? Can it resist to dragon Fire? Will it actually kill a dragon? Since they've only tested it on a petrified Balerion skull . 😒😒😒😒 Also , Drogon (obvioulsy) is WAYY bigger than he was in 5x9. I feel that the writers are trying to give a bit of hope to Cersei, because let's be honest here, If Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal are coming in your direction they'll turn you and your weapon into ashes in seconds 😂😂😂 Excited for ep 3😃😃😃g
The dragons will probably burn all the people operating it first anyway. If they want it to make sense.
Hunter Boyle Exatcly
Brunna Eyer, if the dragons keep moving like Drogon did in Astapor, they don't stand a chance of hitting them unless they've got dozens of them. If they hover in one spot spitting fire like they did over the ship, I think they'll at least injure one. Hopefully Dany keeps them moving.
Jon did have a meeting with Sansa and Davos, and he asked their opinions, but the final decision lies with him. He is the King he does not have to ask for Sansa's approval or tell her exactly what he is doing. It is a simple concept that you don't interrupt a leader in such a manner, Sansa isn't 3, she didn't interrupt Tywin, Joffrey, Cersei or Roose or whoever, why is she constantly doing it now?
Well as you can see, the people who she didn’t interrupt all turned out to be horrible leaders. It's about respecting people calling you out and having the decency to respect the opinions of others. As for it being public well that's Jon's fault.
**Zenobia** shes still stupid
People have short memories, Jon did speak to her and he asked her opinion, he knew her thoughts on the matter. Tywin was one of best, did he ever tell all of his plans to everyone? Or ask anyone's permission before announcing anything? Sansa can say what she wants to say, but she has to accept Jon's answers, but instead she keeps on questioning him when his mind is made up. She had a chance to speak when she talked about their grandfather being burned, after that she should have remained quiet. Jon heard what she said he just didn't follow her advice. Jon has the final say, in this situation they are not brother and sister.
There is an army of White Walkers and undead soldiers approaching they have more than a hundred thousand dead wights, the North doesn't even have half those numbers. But of course Jon is a terrible ruler because he wants to find alliances and weapons to fight this army.
**Zenobia** I do not agree at all! Yes, Jon is the King BUT you basically want him to be like all other kings, like Ned stark, which as Sansa said made some stupid choices!
I agree that she shouldn't go at him like that in front of all those people, but if he doesn't tell her what he's going to do then that what's going to happen. I'm sorry but this is all on Jon. If he had told her that he was going to dragonstone and that he was going to leave winterfell in her hands, then she wouldn't have spoke up like that AGAIN!
I can clearly tell that you love the whole "I am king, everyone else is my servant and that's that" scenario, but that won't work here. They need to work together because what one of them has, the other one lacks!
They're both at fault. Jon needs to discuss his decisions before springing them up last minute and Sansa needs to shut the the hell up in front of the Lords and argue with Jon in private. She is undermining him and making him look weak which provides the incentive for other Lords to question Jon, as they did here. It's a Stark thing, being shit at communicating.
Hey Hunter. I love you as a reactor and my advice to you is to put your face in the thumbnail for your reactions. I never found last week's GOT reaction and only found this week because I looked your channel up. I feel like your videos would have many more views if people see your face in your thumbnail.
PS You're so smart you, predicted Euron's ambush on Yara's fleet way before any other reactor I've watched.
Lady Ollena is playing the game, trying to put Tyrion down. She wants to manipulate Dany to burn Cercei.
It's much more than that. Yes, Olenna wants revenge - but she's not hellbent on it. Tyrion's approach was basically planned as if they were the white chess pieces with the first move.. and that was a *stupid* thing to do. They completely disregarded Cersei's own possible plans and had zero word on Euron after he joined her. It was prematurely planned.
Olenna had every reason to be wary of his plot, which is why she gave a hesitant nod after everyone else agreed. Then when Dany had a private word with her, she reminded her that *Dany is still the power behind their alliance* and she needed to use that power should Tyrion's plan fell apart - which it did. Olenna, as usual in her lifetime, was not wrong.
Righto, because I was finding it hard to get a good read on Ollena. Was thinking 'is she trying to play Dani against Tyrion?'. Guessing her loss has changed her priorities.
Good point Ex Oh, didnt think about that.
Olenna had an important point about fear. Everyone loved Margaery, but her social skills and her cunning were no match for Cersei's ruthlessness. Sometimes you have to summon the dragon.
Cersei is insane and will do ANYTHING to keep her power. Dany can't just be "smart" at this point. Margaery was "smart" and she was fucked at the end. "Smart" doesn't get you the throne when you're up against Cersei. She NEEDS to be a dragon.
She needs to be a dragon, but a calculating one like Aegon, or like she was in Astapor. That kind of Dragon. Why should she attack KL that has wildfire underneath, or attack villages with paesants who have nothing to offer her, when she can just wait till Jaime and his army are away from the safety of KL, right there on the open field??? IMO Tyrion is a fucking liar. He only wants Dany to go easy on her enemies, cuz if she goes full dragon on them, his precious Jaime will burn first. Hes protecting Jaimes ass, more than her reputation.
I've been waiting for more House of Cards for soo loong!:)
I get your Olenna comment, but i think there are other characters that are more worthy of that sort of inspection of contradiction. I think Olenna is just out for revenge, she wants to see Cersei burn. Dany is out for the long game. Which could work, but wont because of other pressing matters that will interrupt the long game.
Alfie Allen was casted for "Reek", not for "Theon" in first place.
Ditto on Theon fu@#ing manning up!
Woo Hoo. I'm so glad this is up!
Just before Midnight!!!! :)
I dont get why it took both heirs to the iron islands and all the heirs to dorne to go get more men, they couldn't send a raven.
Dam right Tyrion.The Lannister's conspired to murder Jons bro, his sis-by-law as Frey called it his mother and Grey Wind. Sam's dad said the same thing to ''The Kingslayer'' S7.2 i hope he sides with Jon?
Any chance of Rome season 2?
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I'm pretty iffy if Lord Tarly decides to stand on Cerseis side...he was a loyalist to House Targaryen in Robert's Rebellion. And as he pointed out Dany has 3 full grown dragons. I tend to say that he will go with Dany, because his landlords are the Tyrells and he swore an oath to them, but Cersei on the other hand is neither legitimate nor a good ruler, although he showed up at King's Landing and basically said he doesn't play backstabbing games and Dothraki may be another word for Wildings for him and we know what he thinks about them....I don't knooooow.
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I don't think the Ballista/big bow thingy is any good....I really hope I'm right about that....pleeeease, we need the dragons, seriously. But when Qyburn said "the finest artillerists and *blacksmiths in King's Landing* have been laboring day and night" I immediately thought of Gendry.
10:30 and 23:57
Lady Olenna basically suggested (among other things) to ignore Tyrion. She mentioned him for a reason I think. She is the one who framed Tyrion for the murder of Joffrey alongside with Littlefinger, if he finds out... That and that she obviously is out for revenge (she is still wearing black) makes sense to me that she would suggest Dany "to be a dragon". Olenna just wants fire and blood, that's how I see it.
The Wall will stand but the dead are going to walk around it because the shivering sea has frozen over, watch the intro of this episode and you will see the ocean has finally frozen for the dead to cross through.
The Hounds vision also confirms this!
I'm not entirely sure the reasoning behind your complaints about the writing. The show is not perfectly written and i wouldn't argue that but what exactly was poorly done this episode? Idk it might just be me but it does sound like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. I think this episode was actually one of the better written episodes with a lot of call backs and consequences of past actions, one that even went over your head. Neither the books or show are written perfectly after a certain book/season but it doesn't affect it as much as you're acting like it does in my opinion. Hope I don't sound angry or anything in this comment since I do see some comments getting mad at you saying stuff like this but i'd just like to get your point of view.
I thought Hunter was a little critical of the writing for episode 1 (and I mostly agreed with her), but did she complain about episode 2's writing?
victorsixtythree Yeah at the end before she cut but it was a shame because she could have talked about why specifically she feels that way but didn't and she just ended the video.
"complaining for the sake of complaining" is never a valid point, all it does is try to cheapen the other party's claim/opinion.
As to your point asking what might've been poorly done in this episode, Hunter herself mentioned Olenna's advice clashed with the mentality she held before. There's also the point of Jon seeking counsel from Sansa/Davos before the meeting but still making his decision and Sansa, all the same, speaking against it publicly. It's not logically consistent with what the characters had just established in the previous episode. She's brought up the lack of communication among these characters but you can also see it in Dany, that conversation she had with Varys would've been perfectly okay to have behind closed doors but she felt nothing of airing it out in public, which fine she's allowed to. But remember how quickly she banished Jorah when she first learned of his years-old betrayal? Varys gets a slap on the wrist and a stern warning and he doesn't even have seniority yet haha. More to that, she then doubles down on her hardheadedness and threatens him with death by fire? Also the whole demanding Jon travel south and bend the knee? Do those two things remind you of any other Targaryens? She's overplaying her hand because she's unaware of the situation up north, granted there's no way she could know but I feel she's rocking the boat too much without yet putting a solid foothold on Westeros. The characters, I feel, are moving too far ahead of the world's events around them.
Oh and drawn out eunuch sex scene and more gross out bait and switches, pretty lazy imo. But these are my words, you didn't ask me you asked Hunter, treat my words as just another perspective to consider.
Siegmeyer Yeah I realised after the fact that i was wrong to say the "complaining for the sake of complaining" bit but didn't want to edit it out and act like i didn't say it. I only consider the Olenna bit at all "poor writing" the other two you mentioned are not inconsistent with their characters i don't think. Jon has and always will have poor communication skills. He had it in both the book and show regarding the wildling situation and it got himself killed. Is it also that hard to believe that Jon wouldn't tell Sansa something? I mean i get that saying it to her beforehand would help but Jon randomly deciding "Oh from now on i'm going to act out of character and actually communicate" would be way more inconsistent than what he did. Do you blame poor writing for a character flaw?
Regarding your point about Varys, Jorah was way closer to Dany than Varys ever has or will be. For Dany (once again in book and show) it was not the fact that Jorah betrayed her but the fact that he never once mentioned that he had with all the opportunities he had and in both times he's exiled that is mentioned. I won't make the same point again about Jon and having a character flaw but i believe that to be the case with Dany too and it not just be because the writers don't know the character.
I've no idea if any of that made sense but i hope it did.
+lokjojiojo jji I don't even consider the Olenna bit to be poor writing honestly. She's not who she was four seasons ago. Her entire family has just been wiped out. She's done playing the long game, there's no point anymore. The future of House Tyrell is null. The family line can't be furthered. She's living solely to see her family avenged, even if it takes dragonfire and Dothraki to ensure that.
Theon took so much sh*t from fans for that move, but honestly it was the ONE option he had that could save Yara's life. I think it was a more calculated move than ppl give him credit for. Yes, there was PTSD kicking in, but had he done anything other than what he did, it would've been worse. If he'd curled into a ball, he and Yara would've both been held captive or killed. If he'd charged, they both would've been killed. At least this way, they both remain alive and he will eventually have the opportunity to rescue her.
Olenna wasn't necessarily saying to fight, just to take charge and think for herself, to not be afraid to do something controversial or daring
To be honest if Dany had listened to her advisers, she would still be a Beggar Queen
Notice Randyll Tarly called out Cersei and Jaime's bullshit. Cersei was stating facts about Dany, though. Whether those decisions were morally in the right is kinda irrelevant to her goals.
But I mention Randyll because it seems Jaime was trying to win him over by appealing to his racism. That age-old trick. We know how he feels about wildlings so if people are referring to Jon's army as a wildling army they just might win him over.
Lol he was wasn't he, even using those vulgar terms xD
You're on point about Olenna. It felt out of character for her to tell Dany to basically go at Cersei. She was always cunning like Margaery and would've supported Tyrion's plans. I'd like to believe she's just acting out of emotions and not from bad writing.
It is not bad writing, it is about revenge. Lady Olenna wants Cercei dead. So she is trying to manipulate Dany, but Dany did not beleive her, we saw it on her face. Lady Olenna will die soon
It's actually right on point with her character. Lady Olenna has always been someone who was ten steps ahead of those around her, and her advice to Dany matched what happened by the end of the episode. There's no way they can get through this without Dany being *a dragon.* But it's far too late for Olenna at this point since Jaime and Cersei got Lord Tarly. She'll be gone soon. I just hope it's quick and she delivers one final hookline.
I feel like some slippery serpents completely slipped your mind this time around, not one scene or a single mention of them haha
ok I've read a bunch of the explanations of the "that's not you" line and I still don't get it. If you go back to that season 1 scene Arya first asks if she could be a lord of a holdfast and then Ned responds that she will be a wife and mother and her sons will do cool shit and THEN she responds "that's not me" so it wasn't about being wild and free it was about not giving up her agency and power and I can't get how that relates to this Nymeria interaction.
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What do you want Theon to do, to try kill Euron ? He is alone, all his men are dead, he advance on him, Euron kills Yara. The primal instinct is to survive, so he jumps in the water hoping to survive there. I agree with You Alfie Allen is great actor. But in same position i will jump too.
My life is more important than my sister. Begging with Euron, the guy is nut as Ramsay, we saw it, and Theon knows it. They are big difference between sister and your own child. And do not forget Theon did not grow up with her.
Fact of life, when I told my sister i do not dislike my father because he did incest with you, this is between you and him. I dislike my father for what he did to me. And I pardon my father for what he did to me, what he did to my sisters, I cannot do anything about that. Call me cold if you want, but we love and hate for so many reasons.
As wimpy & frustrating as it seemed, Theon had no choice. If he makes a move, Euron cuts her throat. He's also getting flashbacks of torture.
Jon and Sansa are not having communication issues, the script writters have them having those issues.
I think Olena was in a "fuck it" kinda mood, knowing that her house will die with her regardless of who wins the war. So she was hoping to convince Dany to just kill that bitch Cersi :D :D
All of this unnecessary in-fighting will subside, if only they've seen what Jon, Ed, Sam, (Night's Watch) & Wildlings have witnessed.
If it does, I;m no longer interested in the show: dont want an allegory: how we must pull together to defeat the giant Pandas or whatever
Great callback to Lady Olenna. But she had a different POV then, her prodigy hadn't been torched. All that consumes my favorite Lady Of Thorns now is revenge..Daenerys can go Mad Queen at times, and listening to advice from someone consumed with grief may not be the best option. We can only hope Tyrion hangs around to keep Dany from absorbing Lady Olenna's grief into her own revenge, and this thing doesn't go pear shaped.
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The problem is the show doesn't express the same background as the books. Varys's loyalties are a lot less unclear than one can get from his actions and his words. I wonder how the writers of the show will reconcile that or if they've turned Varys into a "we the people" character.
Dany is screwing up IMHO by expecting everyone's submission, especially when she says she's going to break the wheel. Democracy is the only way you can do that and becoming the Queen expecting total fealty is counterproductive to that goal. Instead she should have had Tyrion send ravens to all major and minor keep holders requesting their presence to discuss what they'd want to do with the Mad Queen of King's Landing who just used wildfire on a bunch of innocent people in her own city.
And Sansa point about Cerse killing all her opponents is way of basem. Yeah she managed to kill some of them. But a good number of her enemies that are dead died through no action of hers., and their are several people she has openly sought d ad who are breathing quite easily now.. People like Sansa, a Tyrion and the Sand Snakes whobkilled her daughter. Though that last one is certain I o change quickly. Then she has open enemies like Little Finger and Olena from previous times, both safe for now.
Cmon girl, thats Nymeria lol
I have a feeling Theon will wind up giving his life to save Yara, I think he'll make it back to Dragonstone and tell Dany what happened and hopefully they can save her somehow, if the writers let Theon survive years of torture, only to be Reek again, I will be incredibly disappointed and I will lose some respect for them because Theon's character is so complex and interesting, it would be a waste to not give him a purpose.
It's not a contradiction, Olenna has changed since season 4.
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I think theon jumps cause her told to it, probably will be enlightned later......
Alfie Allen makes it so hard for me to dislike Theon. Like, i just want to give him a hug. Not throw him into the middle of a fucking war with dragons and crazy mysterious Uncles, and a Queen that is blowing up Septs and shit.
can you react to the show Shameless??? please!?!?!?!
It's on my list! :)
4:50 Me too Hunter. me too. I cant stand her
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Yay, House of Cards!
what's PTSD?
post traumatic stress disorder. After going through an event, it can be triggered and send a person into shock.
I said she'd head north 😀
Jon did talk to Sansa, that he changed his mind is his own choice. He is King not Sansa, he isn’t obligated to discuss anything, let alone everything with her. Period. Do we hold every other ruler to to that standard of discussing every choice they are going to make with all their advisers or let them know every time they change their mind? The answer is no, thus Jon isn’t in the wrong..
Seeing how Varys was standing behind Dany on the boat at the end of season six, I figured the confrontation already took place and the matter was settled. To see it in this episode made no logical sense and was emotionally jarring. I did not like it.
Who's yelling at you!!! SHAME SHAME SHAME on them. I think there are many who are explaining the Nymeria thing, so I don't need to go there. Totally agree about Jon and Sansa, they need to start singin' off the same sheet of music!! And get Littlefinger the hell away....then again, where would he go? He might be better kept within earshot. The Jorah scene...and I thought last week with the poop soup was bad...holy cats. Great review. Watcha gotta review next???
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+Hunter Boyle I don't buy the PTSD thing, like Jon said "you touch my sis you die" let's be honest we all thought Yara's head was coming off and we know Theon has a good aim when he sniped the guy who held Bran @ knife point. Yeah PTSD could affect your tactical abilities but not when it comes to the protection of a loved one, or does it?
Dude the axe was at her throat, Euron's crew was still alive, why charge in like an emotional wreck just to save a loved one when you escaping might save them both. The PTSD did come in play, but consciously he also made a very informed decision.
Remember the last dude who charged in to save their family member? His name was Jon Snow and he almost ridden down by Bolton cavalry because of it. Jon had an Army at his back and Rickon wasn't right next to Ramsay. Theon had no back up, Nowhere to go after he saved Yara, Outclassed as a warrior By his sister who just got taken 1 on 1 by his uncle.That was a no win scenario. He went into reek mode and ran. He made the right choice for the wrong reason. Living to fight another day with the chance of saving her at a later time was the closest thing to a victory that could have come from that.
Where was the bow ? I did not see one
Toast Knight I'm just saying 🙄, Theon was a lot braver when rescuing Sansa even as reek also Jamie and bron have both saved someone from knife point, just saying 😇
I hope Emilia acts better the rest of the season, lots of stone face and rigid speaking
The Nymeria scene was a bit off. I have been wondering why. I think it probably to do with Maisie Williams acting. She's not very good imo. A cute competent child actor cannot alway progress to a good adult actor.
I have no qualms with her acting. Arya used to be a child full of independence & now she's an adult full of life lessons & experience that most characters won't go through. IMO, Maisie has provided a great portrayal of Arya growing older and wiser. #TooEachHisOwn
We are used to see Arya thinner, now she has more fat. Her face is more round as before. It is not the acting for me, more with Arya is eating better now. She has coins, before she has not. and the scene was sadness and happyness at the same time. Sad because Nymeria will not follow her and happy bacause Nymeria find her own path. Happy for Nymeria and sad for herself. So it is why the emotion were difficult to see.
Ellaria Sand is so ugh. Just ugh.