No matter what happens it's not a good look for Putin running away from Moscow when the going gets tough. His persona of being a strong leader has been permanently damaged.
The base Wagner controls is the main base for ALL shipments and supplies into Ukraine. He knows he has control of the war there. Wagner is also running ALL the bases Russia has worldwide. Enjoy them all shutting down within the month.
Like Marc Antony and Cleopatra were crushed by Octavianus. I am just not shure who the latter two are in this charade we have the dubious pleasure to witness.
It is Russia. Wagner surrenders and they all go to either a gulag or to do wave attacks against Ukraine. The Wagner soldiers HAVE to know this. Do or die. The Russians can either face them and die or join them and MAYBE die? Prigozhin has a chance.
I somehow doubt Prigozhin would have attempted this without the backing of some senior Russian officials, whether in the armed forces or in the government itself, I'm just going to make some more popcorn and enjoy the show, hope you will too. SLAVA UKRAINI!!!
But what could go wrong when you take criminals out of jail and give them guns, and then dump them in with a bunch of conscripted guys who don't want to die? Seems like a great place for a 10 day special operation.
And not giving them enough weapons or even food... what can go wrong. Ukrainians has will and unity to fight and defend their country, Russian is much more divided than their propaganda let World to think. Now everyone saw it if not already before.
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Wagner has 25,000 soldiers in Russia but another 25,000 around the world he could fly back into Rostov. Most of Wagner are not criminals but veterans from the Russian military, especially elite troops like air borne and Spetznaz. As for Putin and Oligarch's wealth they have tons of it hiding in places like Cyprus.
Scott Ritter reported that British Intelligence and Ukrainians installed Wagner people with explosives stationed in Moscow who were planning to set them off when the mercenaries reached Moscow. They are reported to be found and arrested.
If Putin is not completely insane (we don't know) he could just align with him and fire his two generals. In the end the result is still the same he really isn't a military genius either he lost 40,000 men.
Planes leaving Moscow in every direction. I don’t usually take a day off but when I do I invade Moscow. Prigozhin is the new most interesting man in the world. Doubt he’ll live through the summer though.
@@wzupppp Yes, now that you mentioned it. Inexplicible, when you consider how cautious he is for his own safety. That cab only be down to hubris and Putin's rule by fear mentality.
I think it is reasonable to expect that Russian ground forces would welcome being recalled from the meat grinder in Ukraine to a nice safe stalemate at home. They are in no hurry to engage Wagner forces and happy to let them pass. Wagner took the southern command without bloodshed. That is a clear signal that Putin can not count on loyalty from troops.
I think the soldiers are fed up with Putins no regards to human life, the shedding of thousands of young men for his ego and imperial fantasies, Luka must have offered a good deal to Pregozyn to withdraw his troops, I think alot of Russians would be disappointed for this withdraw, never know this might be the beginning of something big waiting in the horizon.
He's partially responsible for Putin's rise, and Langley through and through. About the only thing that he said that is still veritable, a mere couple hours later, is "We have to be careful not to extrapolate too much"
Life or death since he's against the generals appointed by Putin. If he enters Moscow, my days it's gonna be big drama 😅 To be fair, Wagner captured Rostov and wasn't far from Moscow, not bad from Putin's former chef. 😂
Soldier or oligarch, they all have this dilemma (who to support) because none of them have any core values - only a price tag they can be bought for and a strong sense of survival.
It's a smoke show why do group moves out of Ukraine goes into Russia now heading to Belarus yes I'm sure the man hates his leaders in the military with some of the decisions that are being made but now they got all the way into Belarus and rest regroup resupply add a different position smokeshow
Bill Browder is an enlightened fellow. He reads the data very well. His predictive and prescriptive analysis are right on the hole. Another fellow who is right is Ben Hodges.
The Russian people deserve to be represented by someone the believe in, not someone their frightened of, how long has this guy been in power, he's like a dictator, they need new blood, people who represent them, not the greedy.
Putin have the red button with him. Administrators in Moscow all left and will work from St Petersburg. A car parked in front of Putin's house had 4 billion Russian money.
I've been watching coverage of this event for 24 hours on many channels and NOBODY is analysing the political motives behind it all. All we hear is military tactics and strategies but why does nobody ask the obvious question: If Prigozhin gets through (or if he doesn't) what are the POLITICAL consequences; not just short-term military consequences? Where do the democratically-aligned interests of the Russian people come to rest? In the Gulags of the monster Prigozhin? People want to know what happens to the Russian people...not just a scrap between 2 global thugs.
Russia isn't a real democracy, effectively it's an autocracy. This is a military situation, not a civil war. It may LEAD to a civil war, but that will likely drag on for years if that happens. The Russian people, like the ordinary military are passive. All you're looking at is which oligarch is going to take over via coup. Which is how regimes change there.
To speculate on such things requires an even greater leap of uncertainty that it would be irresponsible to present as anything other than fanfiction, which is why you don't see it.
surely there are bases around Rostov that hold Nukes. What happens if Prighozin/Wagner/criminals who would happily sell for a few million to terrorists - what happens if THEY gets hold of some nukes? No one has asked this questions - anywhere. Foreign office etc, must surely be worried about that prospect.
The "fact" if you can call it that, of Prigozhin's forces moving freely into and around Rostov, supposedly a key logistic and command centre for the Russian armed forces, without getting attacked by those same Russian armed forces suggests that maybe those armed forces are allowing this to happen. Also, Prigozhin's willingness to go to Belarus, if he is to be believed, suggests that Belarus might have decided to go cool on Putin. From Putin's perspective, in addition to Prigozhin, two groups Putin thought he could control now seem to be outside of his control, namely Belarus and the Russian armed forces.
Putin flinched. He couldn't countenance Wagner in the streets of Moscow. And he let Prigozhin easy. P. remains a thorn in his side. He remains in control of Rostow.
I doubt Putin will ever get his trained guard dog back on his leash totally. I’m enjoying watching these two men and Russia tear itself apart. A wee taste of their own medicine.
Well it doesn't mean a thing , all this is is one dictator being taken out by another dictator, so at the end of the day will it stop the war in Ukraine, probably not.
I wish Prigozhyn would speak to western nations and state that he wants genuine democracy within Russia and that he will withdraw the military, then be backed across the board.
That is my hope to but unfortunately he is very much still pro Russia and wholeheartedly supports the war. He is just upset Putin won’t give him more support…and rightly so. If he does take over the war will still continue and become much more brutal. That’s just my educated guess. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
@t-mac1236 I probably think so too, he doesn't seem to be normalised. It seems he still has the mindset of Russia against everyone, rather than Russia is part of everyone.
Nobody would fully trust him. He is a warlord and a war criminal whose soldiers have filmed themselves doing beheadings & more. The reason russian troops originally disarmed the Wagner unit leaving bakhmut is because Wagner would kidnap the russain troops & hold them ransom for the russian units ammo & artillery. So Wagner kidnapped the russain commander & beat him. When the commander was finally released from wagner, he came out and said all this.
I doubt prigozhyn thought this was gonna work with basically 1 division... I wouldn't be surprised if he had word from other highly ranked people in russia that have finally backed off when the time came and now he is turning around and looking for "favourable" conditions...
Even if Prigozhin backs down completely and retreats to some sort of bolt hole , he has a well trained and armed private army sitting as a thorn in Putin's side that will have to be dealt with.
Lol Tell me about it. American analysts have been predicting how put in is screwedand Ukrain is wimning the war for a year now. But it's all talk in the air. This guy is talking and is so excited as if he can predict what's to happen. People are talking too much.
No matter what happens it's not a good look for Putin running away from Moscow when the going gets tough. His persona of being a strong leader has been permanently damaged.
pretty sure that happened the moment the Russians in the words of Prigozhin "shat themselves and ran away" from Kyiv 🤡
Agreed. His life is in danger.
And you believe that? Running away from who? Moscow is a fortress.
Russia as a whole was supposed to be impenetrable, but they've been getting penetrated more than a Brazzers starlet.
@@Tod_oMalbitch please, you know he ran away, he was glorious bully, whom with first push bends and runs
Yeah they backed down but the mess has not been cleared up. Neither putin nor Prigozhin will survive this long term.
The most important that we , the people survive . There will be new , may be a better and honest leaders in the world !
The base Wagner controls is the main base for ALL shipments and supplies into Ukraine. He knows he has control of the war there. Wagner is also running ALL the bases Russia has worldwide. Enjoy them all shutting down within the month.
This is gonna cause a huge rift to do show weakness as a Russian leader is man like at no point in history does it end well
I really hope these monsters destroy each other, giving opportunity for the Ukrainian army in the process.
Like Marc Antony and Cleopatra were crushed by Octavianus. I am just not shure who the latter two are in this charade we have the dubious pleasure to witness.
“I need bullets not a ride” said Zelenskyy. “I need a ride” says Putin
👍
Lol. That’s funny
Hilarious
He needs a ride to the hague
Quite perceptive. Above average I.Q.
Mike Tyson was right: "everyone has a plan until you get a punch in the face"
Well, one upside, you are no longer enemy number one Bill
Pooty now has 324 "enemy number 1". Poor little fella.
Somehow hardly objective analysis given his background
@@samman938 so what?
He never was actually
There is no backing down from this. Lines have been crossed and there is no forgiveness in this story. There will be blood.
It is Russia. Wagner surrenders and they all go to either a gulag or to do wave attacks against Ukraine. The Wagner soldiers HAVE to know this. Do or die. The Russians can either face them and die or join them and MAYBE die? Prigozhin has a chance.
Yes the cost will be blood.
Yup. The ukranian blood, cause the so called coup is already over. Can't hustle a hustler, and Puting is the king of hustlers
I somehow doubt Prigozhin would have attempted this without the backing of some senior Russian officials, whether in the armed forces or in the government itself, I'm just going to make some more popcorn and enjoy the show, hope you will too. SLAVA UKRAINI!!!
Tomorrow wont be the same as yesterday. This will have a major affect - the internal troubles are not over
Yeah goin to be another BS from Prignozhin
But what could go wrong when you take criminals out of jail and give them guns, and then dump them in with a bunch of conscripted guys who don't want to die? Seems like a great place for a 10 day special operation.
Criminals out of Jail are fighting with criminals who should be in jail ! Nothing new !
And not giving them enough weapons or even food... what can go wrong. Ukrainians has will and unity to fight and defend their country, Russian is much more divided than their propaganda let World to think. Now everyone saw it if not already before.
Pretty smart move there. Ruthless soldiers with no better choice. Hate them even more.
@@TheSnyting ones who got out of jail through war killed several rusian civilians including 85 years old woman.
But for some reason it's taken longer than 10 days.
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Thank you Times Radio for this interview!
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I like Bill, he sounds honest and clear eyed
No angloid is clear eyed 😂
@niklaswikholm514 Honest and clear eyed? are you crazy?
@@boota1979calls OP crazy and refuses to elaborate. You need to provide more information after that.
He's the crook amongst crooks
@@t-mac1236 Read up on Browder.
Never underestimate a man who has nothing to lose.
Wagner has 25,000 soldiers in Russia but another 25,000 around the world he could fly back into Rostov. Most of Wagner are not criminals but veterans from the Russian military, especially elite troops like air borne and Spetznaz. As for Putin and Oligarch's wealth they have tons of it hiding in places like Cyprus.
Also Bieloruss, Serbia, Iran and even 🐲 Country!
That they are. Also blood thristy bast###s
Scott Ritter reported that British Intelligence and Ukrainians installed Wagner people with explosives stationed in Moscow who were planning to set them off when the mercenaries reached Moscow. They are reported to be found and arrested.
@@abdulSpruceI dunno, the circus is far from over.
There is an open window with Prigozhin's name.
I can see Prigozhin flying out of some high rise window in Belarus 🇧🇾.
This has to end badly for either Prigozhin or Putin, a lot has been said so someone will have to back down.
If Putin is not completely insane (we don't know) he could just align with him and fire his two generals. In the end the result is still the same he really isn't a military genius either he lost 40,000 men.
Lets hope both end up in a bad spot for all im concerned.
@@SiranoxzI hope for a cage match and no matter who wins, we never unlock the cage.
Prigozhin has already told his troops to turn around. This all has a stinky smell to it.
at this point its no return
Bill is a heroic sage.
Very disappointed prigozhin has turned back. Made all this popcorn too😥
Planes leaving Moscow in every direction.
I don’t usually take a day off but when I do I invade Moscow. Prigozhin is the new most interesting man in the world.
Doubt he’ll live through the summer though.
This video is already old news. Wagner on his way to Moscow has turned around.
I'm reminded of Henry VII marching through Northwest England virtually unopposed enroute to Bosworth.
I'm surprised Putin didn't anticipate the consequences of commissioning a highly trained special force, then handing control of it to another crook.
He did the same in chechniya
@@wzupppp Yes, now that you mentioned it. Inexplicible, when you consider how cautious he is for his own safety. That cab only be down to hubris and Putin's rule by fear mentality.
Especially considering he bombed Wagner forces, Putin is an absolute idiot.
Too much ego, thinking he can control everything.
Rumour has it he is now exiled to Belarus !
I think it is reasonable to expect that Russian ground forces would welcome being recalled from the meat grinder in Ukraine to a nice safe stalemate at home. They are in no hurry to engage Wagner forces and happy to let them pass.
Wagner took the southern command without bloodshed. That is a clear signal that Putin can not count on loyalty from troops.
I think the soldiers are fed up with Putins no regards to human life, the shedding of thousands of young men for his ego and imperial fantasies, Luka must have offered a good deal to Pregozyn to withdraw his troops, I think alot of Russians would be disappointed for this withdraw, never know this might be the beginning of something big waiting in the horizon.
"Meat grinder" only for the perogies.
They are turning back and leaving Rostov. This is a Russian game show.
Said the bot?
Putin said Prigozhin’s act was a stab in the back. How I wish it was literal.
I really like this guy. Seems very intelligent, clear eyed, and kind.
He's partially responsible for Putin's rise, and Langley through and through.
About the only thing that he said that is still veritable, a mere couple hours later, is "We have to be careful not to extrapolate too much"
At the end they both lost , the Wagner group is gone and Putin lost face and showed his weakness
Wagna founder was never against President Putin, but against Defence Minister Shoigu
Why did Prigozhin turn back? People will think he's weak, he needs to get his lot in to Moscow
Life or death since he's against the generals appointed by Putin. If he enters Moscow, my days it's gonna be big drama 😅
To be fair, Wagner captured Rostov and wasn't far from Moscow, not bad from Putin's former chef. 😂
On the bright side its got to lower the morale of the russian soldier in the trenches even further.
Soldier or oligarch, they all have this dilemma (who to support) because none of them have any core values - only a price tag they can be bought for and a strong sense of survival.
Like most!
Hoping this is a sign of things to come and the people see that they can rise up as well
Oh boy, more death wishes. Haven't had enough blood?
Prigoshin just now ordered his troops to return. Prigoshins WAGNER ARMY was on its way to Moscow
The Dice are Rolling
Snake vs Mongoose
Let’s just hope this conflict keeps on spinning to the bitter end in Russia 🇷🇺. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦
Magneto: "Let's just say I'm Frankenstein's monster... and I am looking for my creator."
He flew off to Valdai.
I don't know who to route for. The devil I know or the devil I don't know.
When having to choose between two evils, choose the one you've not tried before. 😑
With Prigozhin's history I feel we know both devils.👹👹
Devil’s become Creazy With who to Trust this time ! In God We Trust , Amen Lord 🙏🙏❤️
It's a smoke show why do group moves out of Ukraine goes into Russia now heading to Belarus yes I'm sure the man hates his leaders in the military with some of the decisions that are being made but now they got all the way into Belarus and rest regroup resupply add a different position smokeshow
They’ve stopped and are turning back, question is now where does he go? Africa?
Bill Browder is an enlightened fellow. He reads the data very well. His predictive and prescriptive analysis are right on the hole. Another fellow who is right is Ben Hodges.
The Russian people deserve to be represented by someone the believe in, not someone their frightened of, how long has this guy been in power, he's like a dictator, they need new blood, people who represent them, not the greedy.
Putin have the red button with him. Administrators in Moscow all left and will work from St Petersburg. A car parked in front of Putin's house had 4 billion Russian money.
Bill's much anticipated wishes are now coming true
I've been watching coverage of this event for 24 hours on many channels and NOBODY is analysing the political motives behind it all. All we hear is military tactics and strategies but why does nobody ask the obvious question: If Prigozhin gets through (or if he doesn't) what are the POLITICAL consequences; not just short-term military consequences? Where do the democratically-aligned interests of the Russian people come to rest? In the Gulags of the monster Prigozhin? People want to know what happens to the Russian people...not just a scrap between 2 global thugs.
And also what Russians in Russia are making of all of this?
Russia isn't a real democracy, effectively it's an autocracy. This is a military situation, not a civil war. It may LEAD to a civil war, but that will likely drag on for years if that happens. The Russian people, like the ordinary military are passive. All you're looking at is which oligarch is going to take over via coup. Which is how regimes change there.
From now time is running.. Will it be the putin or Peregozin? Putin never forgives for he's traitors and peregozin know it..
Very good observation
To speculate on such things requires an even greater leap of uncertainty that it would be irresponsible to present as anything other than fanfiction, which is why you don't see it.
This is a Wagnerian Opera in its first act!
Great insights as usual 😂💩🦨
What if it's just a trap to make Ukraina make a move, Wagner is not saying anything bad about
Putin.
The US neocons have already trapped Ukraine.
surely there are bases around Rostov that hold Nukes. What happens if Prighozin/Wagner/criminals who would happily sell for a few million to terrorists - what happens if THEY gets hold of some nukes? No one has asked this questions - anywhere. Foreign office etc, must surely be worried about that prospect.
Next minute it's over 😅😅😅😅
LOL. CIA trying too hard.
Puttin Wagner reached a peace deal.
Prigozhin moving to Belarus.
The Ukrainians will be loving this and they WILL take advantage of this in their counter-offensive.
He extrapolated too much and was wrong ...never underestimate the power of "deals done behind the scene".
The "fact" if you can call it that, of Prigozhin's forces moving freely into and around Rostov, supposedly a key logistic and command centre for the Russian armed forces, without getting attacked by those same Russian armed forces suggests that maybe those armed forces are allowing this to happen. Also, Prigozhin's willingness to go to Belarus, if he is to be believed, suggests that Belarus might have decided to go cool on Putin.
From Putin's perspective, in addition to Prigozhin, two groups Putin thought he could control now seem to be outside of his control, namely Belarus and the Russian armed forces.
He's already said he's standing down but you keep posting like it hasn't happened.
Putin flinched. He couldn't countenance Wagner in the streets of Moscow. And he let Prigozhin easy. P. remains a thorn in his side. He remains in control of Rostow.
The truth will hit Putin like a sledgehammer !
SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦!!! 🇺🇦
I doubt Putin will ever get his trained guard dog back on his leash totally. I’m enjoying watching these two men and Russia tear itself apart. A wee taste of their own medicine.
There's MANY things that Prigozhin didn't say ! Atm only he and his soldiers know !
And suddenly this became old news...
Well its not like this is over. Sure, the march to Moscow ended but things aren't gonna go back to normal. Will see how it plays out.
My commiserations to America and this C.I.A. Funded Journalist Bill Browder.
If I was pogosian I would not stop my march on Moscow. You don't want to give Putin time to get his footing
They're already in Moscow. Theyt entered in smaller sub groups to avoid an airstrike.
No they not. Actually they have turned around. Belarus intervened sorry to disappointed you.😅😂
This is AWESOME. WOW!!!!
The world does not work on ungratefulness.
Well it doesn't mean a thing , all this is is one dictator being taken out by another dictator, so at the end of the day will it stop the war in Ukraine, probably not.
"Meet the new boss - same as the old boss"
About time. Fantastic
Prigozhin is going back to Ukraine as I listen to this!!
Now is the time to go in and put the pole in the heart
Prigozhin deserves a movie
Same as Himmler needs a movie.................
Hollywood will be calling
Where does Putin and prigozhin go from here?
Well this didn’t age well
I wish Prigozhyn would speak to western nations and state that he wants genuine democracy within Russia and that he will withdraw the military, then be backed across the board.
That is my hope to but unfortunately he is very much still pro Russia and wholeheartedly supports the war. He is just upset Putin won’t give him more support…and rightly so.
If he does take over the war will still continue and become much more brutal.
That’s just my educated guess. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
@t-mac1236 I probably think so too, he doesn't seem to be normalised. It seems he still has the mindset of Russia against everyone, rather than Russia is part of everyone.
Nobody would fully trust him. He is a warlord and a war criminal whose soldiers have filmed themselves doing beheadings & more. The reason russian troops originally disarmed the Wagner unit leaving bakhmut is because Wagner would kidnap the russain troops & hold them ransom for the russian units ammo & artillery. So Wagner kidnapped the russain commander & beat him. When the commander was finally released from wagner, he came out and said all this.
This could all peter out and end up being a non event.
Perhaps not big fireworks but people will be flying out windows for years. Things like this don't just go away in Russia.
Exciting times 🎉🎉🎉🎉
4:35 Tsar Runt: "They have ammo, I need a ride!"
it's shocking.
I doubt prigozhyn thought this was gonna work with basically 1 division... I wouldn't be surprised if he had word from other highly ranked people in russia that have finally backed off when the time came and now he is turning around and looking for "favourable" conditions...
no honor among monsters and dictators. This will just get worse.
when you've a GREAT interview, hit upload, and the situation turns on a dime, for now.
But its Bowder so it's still a good interview.
Putin hires the Wagner military group and them Prigozhin almost overthrows the Russian government.
Nice job Mr. Putin, what is your next move?
Either way, someone is going to die!
It’s over, Prighozin has ordered his mercenaries to turn around. Hopefully this helped the Ukrainian advance a little.
It is a long way from being over, this is a pause.......
Who knows what is going on? The latest news I heard claimed Prigozhin and his Wagner troups were returning to Ukraine.
Wow😮
He's a chef, a russian Jamie Oliver. There's nothing to fear other than his sprouts, most likely.
Yup these are battle hardened fighters not the sheep that live in a city.
Putler: "I don't need ammunition. I need a ride!!"
This is old news. Wagner Group turned around and the reports are that Wagner is at a stand down.
I hope Xi is watching this
Perhaps Xi is thinking of touring Khövsgöl in northern Mongolia for no apparent reason. 😑
Yes, he is next in line to be obliterated.....
Did she say Gosh???😂
Even if Prigozhin backs down completely and retreats to some sort of bolt hole , he has a well trained and armed private army sitting as a thorn in Putin's side that will have to be dealt with.
Trading one devil for anthor devil! Is Still a devil!! 🔥 🔥 🔥
This interview, 1 hr later....illusions
Lol Tell me about it. American analysts have been predicting how put in is screwedand Ukrain is wimning the war for a year now. But it's all talk in the air. This guy is talking and is so excited as if he can predict what's to happen. People are talking too much.
The rest of the world are searching desperately for journalists
Not found here
@@TheSnytingangloids are barely human, one can not expect them to be honest, decent, professional or truthful...
All this takes me back to Mad Magazine. Remember "Spy vs. Spy?"
Trust is gone for now on
I would lay to my gun and Run out of the country right now
Maybe Prigozhin should stay away from windows in tall buildings and wear gloves when he puts his hand on any doorknobs.
♥The threat of tactical nukes against Wagner on the open road was enough to stop this existential threat to Moscow. ♥♥♥
I agree Progo is the better evil option for the Ukraine War to end.
It’s about time the soldiers stud up for there self