Thanks for this great video comparison. Really enjoyed it! I marched in the '04 snareline. Those Herta's you mentioned at 3:00 were definitely slurred. That chunk of the opener was written in 6/8 time and the part was written as three 8th-note triplets followed by an 8th note as opposed to the classic two 16ths, two 8th notes you would normally see written for hertas in 6/8 time. We actually had a few judges tell us in tapes to "tighten up those hertas". Ha! A couple other fun tidbits: The roll at 2:08 was a 7let over 3 beats The end of the show was mostly written in 3/4 time, so a lot of those beefier rolls you're hearing are quadruplet rolls (4:3). Jim did an amazing job writing a lot of dotted 8th rhythms and quadruplet roll rhythms to create some extra interest. Also, there's quite a few moments where he tried to pay homage to the original snare drum parts in the orchestral score.
@@mrnicknick02 I'm sure I have a binder collecting dust somewhere with the '04 music in it. It probably doesn't resemble anything close to what we played in the video here, though.
I’ve got a deep connection to both videos. My snare tech in 2006 Marched in SCV 2003, 2004 and 2005. And I of course filmed the 2014 vid. What’s sad is I never got to see 2004 SCV in person that entire summer. One of the few drumlines that I completely regret not having seen live at a show. Also, I love how all of you guys have similar reactions that I do when watching these. Both were incredible!
Yea dude. Love both of these groups this is Mike, I got to see 14 vanguard in person and it was awesome. Didn’t even know what drum corps was in 2004 😂😂
@@agedoutpodcast I was introduced to drum corps around 1996. Saw my first DCI drumline in 2000(Cadets) cuz they were staying at my high school for the Alton, IL show. Saw Cavaliers that evening in person... legendary. I’ve seen pretty much everyone in the top 12 every single year since except for 04. Missed BD and SCV that year. Still sore about missing both of those groups
@Aged Out Podcast & @DrumlineAV When Rennick went to SCV did they change who taught for the cymbals? Did Rennick write for the cymbals in the battery book as well?
@@JuanRamirez-gw7qp I don’t recall exactly but I know Murray Gusseck really preferred matched grip due to his passion for matched grip on drum kits. I was told that Murray preferred the evenness of sound quality from match grip as opposed to traditional. Plus, I heard SCV 05 had a lot of quad cuts that ended up on the snareline that year so it made even more sense to keep them on match grip.
the jim casella era at scv changed drumline drumming. before these lines, marching drumming was stiff and rigid and obsessed with heights. they were the first to say maybe we should just drum and not “rudimental drum”. seems like nothing today but at the time it was revolutionary. i remember people who only had marching experience saying “scv are so unique, they use this thing called mueller that whips the stroke”. all the drumset players were like yea, its called drumming.
@@agedoutpodcast Respect to Rennick but his lines are like the center of the drum line spectrum. Not too much of anything in particular. Solid but not flashy. Clean but not too many risks. Why water when it can be clean day 1. Why play unique warmups when they’re not judged. It’s like “yes you won the trophy, but I’ll never listen to the book again.” Then there’s gusseck parts from 15 years ago I can still remember and tap out while in a boring meeting. I wanna see Rennicks “match grip” moment. At some point Go big or go home.
Jim and Murray are also just the sweetest, most generous people and excellent examples of Vanguard alum. Murray even went the extra mile once and put together a few CD mixes for me when I asked what music he recommended. The original Orawa was on there!
@@rifle2563 I WISH I could give you those. The highlights were Worchek Kilars Orawa, which we performed in 2003 and the Bulgarian Radio choir. I'm sorry the physical cd has been lost to the ages.
Thanks for the share guys! 2004 was my rookie year marching drum corps, and I knew several of the guys in the 04 Jonz line. Anytime we were at the same show as them, I would rush to catch them in the lot. I got the tape from Ben Prima (snare on the right at 3:51) when we were in percussion studio together in 2007 - there was a ton more video from early season at the beginning of tape, mainly from the SoCal tour, as well as a couple of full runthroughs from the box. I still refer back to this video and watch that line when I'm writing battery parts; it was HUGELY influential in my development of composition and overall drumming philosophy growing up. I believe the 04 lot video took place somewhere in the last two weeks of the season - maybe Murfreesboro?
The colorguard and hornline were chasing these cats all season! We never really caught up! What an absolute stroke of luck that I got to march with them and the '03 drumline, both so-tasty-clean. Murray and Jim poured all their love into these fellas and you could tell all season in how they showed up. Thanks @Aged Out Podcast for the chance to appreciate the melodic nature of their work all over again. Never thought that Rimsky-Korsakov could sound that good on a football field...both times. I know you're wanting to analyze the drumline alone (again, so tasty), but truly, Jim and Murray's work in 03 and 04 can only be appreciated with drumline and pit combined. And if you want a master class in acoustics and fast tempos, you gotta know the 03 line. Killer.
Loving these so far, but speaking of balance and blend... hope in future videos you can pull the drum audio more forward. Have to crank the volume to hear the line, only to be slapped in the face with the really loud commentary. Happy to help if you need, and please keep 'em coming!
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Thanks for this great video comparison. Really enjoyed it! I marched in the '04 snareline. Those Herta's you mentioned at 3:00 were definitely slurred. That chunk of the opener was written in 6/8 time and the part was written as three 8th-note triplets followed by an 8th note as opposed to the classic two 16ths, two 8th notes you would normally see written for hertas in 6/8 time. We actually had a few judges tell us in tapes to "tighten up those hertas". Ha!
A couple other fun tidbits:
The roll at 2:08 was a 7let over 3 beats
The end of the show was mostly written in 3/4 time, so a lot of those beefier rolls you're hearing are quadruplet rolls (4:3). Jim did an amazing job writing a lot of dotted 8th rhythms and quadruplet roll rhythms to create some extra interest. Also, there's quite a few moments where he tried to pay homage to the original snare drum parts in the orchestral score.
Do you still have the ‘04 beats?
@@mrnicknick02 I'm sure I have a binder collecting dust somewhere with the '04 music in it. It probably doesn't resemble anything close to what we played in the video here, though.
@@JohnMaxMcFarland I don’t care please send them to me please!
@@mrnicknick02 transcribe it, I did years ago and I still got it in muscle memory
@Clarence Netherland Guarantee your girlfriend doesn't have the sheet music.
I’ve got a deep connection to both videos. My snare tech in 2006 Marched in SCV 2003, 2004 and 2005. And I of course filmed the 2014 vid. What’s sad is I never got to see 2004 SCV in person that entire summer. One of the few drumlines that I completely regret not having seen live at a show. Also, I love how all of you guys have similar reactions that I do when watching these. Both were incredible!
Yea dude. Love both of these groups this is Mike, I got to see 14 vanguard in person and it was awesome. Didn’t even know what drum corps was in 2004 😂😂
@@agedoutpodcast I was introduced to drum corps around 1996. Saw my first DCI drumline in 2000(Cadets) cuz they were staying at my high school for the Alton, IL show. Saw Cavaliers that evening in person... legendary. I’ve seen pretty much everyone in the top 12 every single year since except for 04. Missed BD and SCV that year. Still sore about missing both of those groups
@DrumlineAV I recall that SCV snares switched to matched grip in 05’. Do you know why that was?
@Aged Out Podcast & @DrumlineAV
When Rennick went to SCV did they change who taught for the cymbals? Did Rennick write for the cymbals in the battery book as well?
@@JuanRamirez-gw7qp I don’t recall exactly but I know Murray Gusseck really preferred matched grip due to his passion for matched grip on drum kits. I was told that Murray preferred the evenness of sound quality from match grip as opposed to traditional. Plus, I heard SCV 05 had a lot of quad cuts that ended up on the snareline that year so it made even more sense to keep them on match grip.
the 04 line was the line they used for Virtual Drumline
2014!! Such an incredible line. I have to say, that snare break is no joke. One of, if not the choppiest/hardest snare solos I’ve ever seen🔥🔥
Yea, I’m not usually one to learn old licks but after making this video, I wanna learn it for fun. If anyone’s got the music, hit us up 👍😂
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I marched trumpet with Scouts in 2004, but had previous experience with marching indoor percussion. SCV's line was a joy to see that summer!
I'm so glad I found this channel. you guys rule, and your content is much appreciated.
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying.
I really appreciate that you guys respect the past and present. I love listening to you guys.
Thanks! All eras of the activity are so different and just trying to make sure no one forgets 😂
the jim casella era at scv changed drumline drumming. before these lines, marching drumming was stiff and rigid and obsessed with heights. they were the first to say maybe we should just drum and not “rudimental drum”. seems like nothing today but at the time it was revolutionary. i remember people who only had marching experience saying “scv are so unique, they use this thing called mueller that whips the stroke”. all the drumset players were like yea, its called drumming.
Jim Casella, is one of, if not my favorite arranger. -Evan
@@agedoutpodcast Respect to Rennick but his lines are like the center of the drum line spectrum. Not too much of anything in particular. Solid but not flashy. Clean but not too many risks. Why water when it can be clean day 1. Why play unique warmups when they’re not judged. It’s like “yes you won the trophy, but I’ll never listen to the book again.” Then there’s gusseck parts from 15 years ago I can still remember and tap out while in a boring meeting. I wanna see Rennicks “match grip” moment. At some point Go big or go home.
Jim and Murray are also just the sweetest, most generous people and excellent examples of Vanguard alum. Murray even went the extra mile once and put together a few CD mixes for me when I asked what music he recommended. The original Orawa was on there!
@@meganyankee5177 can I get that list of tracks?
@@rifle2563 I WISH I could give you those. The highlights were Worchek Kilars Orawa, which we performed in 2003 and the Bulgarian Radio choir. I'm sorry the physical cd has been lost to the ages.
Thanks for the share guys! 2004 was my rookie year marching drum corps, and I knew several of the guys in the 04 Jonz line. Anytime we were at the same show as them, I would rush to catch them in the lot. I got the tape from Ben Prima (snare on the right at 3:51) when we were in percussion studio together in 2007 - there was a ton more video from early season at the beginning of tape, mainly from the SoCal tour, as well as a couple of full runthroughs from the box. I still refer back to this video and watch that line when I'm writing battery parts; it was HUGELY influential in my development of composition and overall drumming philosophy growing up.
I believe the 04 lot video took place somewhere in the last two weeks of the season - maybe Murfreesboro?
Ben is a sweetheart!
This line was nutty at finals.
I might’ve written a 5 page paper on the stylistic differences between scv 04 and 14. A paper which got me a pretty good grade I might add.
I’d read it 😬😂
Post it
Please post this paper. Could be accepted to the Journal of Kickass
I’d absolutely love to see it
The colorguard and hornline were chasing these cats all season! We never really caught up! What an absolute stroke of luck that I got to march with them and the '03 drumline, both so-tasty-clean. Murray and Jim poured all their love into these fellas and you could tell all season in how they showed up. Thanks @Aged Out Podcast for the chance to appreciate the melodic nature of their work all over again. Never thought that Rimsky-Korsakov could sound that good on a football field...both times. I know you're wanting to analyze the drumline alone (again, so tasty), but truly, Jim and Murray's work in 03 and 04 can only be appreciated with drumline and pit combined. And if you want a master class in acoustics and fast tempos, you gotta know the 03 line. Killer.
Great writing and playing. Thanks for the video!
Quite possibly the GOAT
3:11, the cymbal line hi-hat pssb sound is phenomenal!
17:30 Fun Fact, Bass #3 was part of the infamous Infinity Bass line
This cymbal line stole my heart forever.
Micah Hardwick throwin down! He's one off to the right of the center snare's right.
I'm Micah's #1 fan!
I think that first part was citrus college in LA? I might have been there that night.
Paul is smart
Yup lol.
Dude Paul is my teacher 😂
New rudiment: Shlurrtas? :)
I’m on board 😂
Marched bass 3 this year. I remember us calling them "Blurta's" :)
@@ryanbruner I shall concede to tribal knowledge!
Congrats for being part of one of the all time great lines.
Loving these so far, but speaking of balance and blend... hope in future videos you can pull the drum audio more forward. Have to crank the volume to hear the line, only to be slapped in the face with the really loud commentary.
Happy to help if you need, and please keep 'em coming!
Yea, thanks for the feedback. Neither one of us are audio people but we are still tweaking things for the reactions to get a good balance.
14:15 Murphs