It's important not to blame the animals here Shabani is stressed out because one of his females was separated from him and on top of that his son is now becoming a silverback and a threat to his position as alpha The zoo needs to move Kiyo out of this enclosure asap.
So that means it’s perfectly fine to attack his “wife”? If you cannot proves that you have a degree in primatology then you’re words are just words, nothing more.
@@TheWhiteKnight1I agree, it’s always funny when they say “gorilla are very intelligent” and then suddenly backtrack and say that they’re just “animals”. It’s for whatever best fits the narrative I guess. 😒
Can't I even say what I think if I don't have a degree? So do you have a degree and leave confident comments? The important part about that is not to blame one side too quickly, is that wrong? We don't know what happened to Shabani and what happened to Kiyomasa, but you can't judge that by looking at this short video, and silverbacks have a habit of attacking members of the herd for reasons we don't know. So, are all silverbacks wrong and bad in the world?
@@TheWhiteKnight1 Can't I even say what I think if I don't have a degree? So do you have a degree and leave confident comments? The important part about that is not to blame one side too quickly, is that wrong? We don't know what happened to Shabani and what happened to Kiyomasa, but you can't judge that by looking at this short video, and silverbacks have a habit of attacking members of the herd for reasons we don't know. So, are all silverbacks wrong and bad in the world?
I thought the zoos were suppose to help the gorillas. All I see is that they are not doing their job or taking it serious. The zookeepers are responsible for the mentally and physically care for the gorillas. Nene finally separated from the troop. It took them forever to move her to the basement. The fighting among the troop is alarming. If they can’t handle the gorillas with respect then they have no business having a gorilla exhibition.
Annie is a brave girl, diverting her dad away from aggressive behaviour. She has a mischievous personality, but when called for, she plays the role of peacekeeper with Shabani. ❤
She’s the only one that has that quieting power in the group right now. Nene used to have that role and it likely soothes Shabani when he goes downstairs. Annie must be stressing harder now worrying seeing that even Ai is fair game. It’s like Shabani is in a pressure cooker mode right now and he’s letting steam out while proving he’s in charge. I’m not a primatologist, and despite the written description that this was all good, I noticed that Kyomasa is now walking backwards all the time. Like he knows now- I must keep my back to the wall so I can always see when he’s coming for me. I never noticed this behavior quite so much as in this video today. I was seeing that he always places his body strategically near the door and that he’s hyper vigilant. How exhausting. It’s a form of his constant need to self defensive- keeping his eyes on that door to avoid being pounced on from behind. It was hard to watch Ai take the nip today.
@@ForestGirlTeresa I think Annie will always do what’s best for her dad. The way he protected her is almost the same way she protects him. She’s very loyal even if he’s acting out. They have a special bond🙂
Shabz wasnt into hurting Ai but to discipline her. Its sign of dominance,every silverback doing such things in certain situations. Apparently Ai didnt do something that Shabani wanted her to do.
No big deal, Shabani just letting Ai know who the silverback is. Silverbacks discipline their troop to maintain their position. They could easily kill any of the others but run away after making their point to avoid inflicting any serious injuries. Never forget Shabani would die protecting his family if he had to.
I've read quite a bit about gorillas and watched a lot of documentaries. Shabani is warning Ai to keep away from Kyomasa and keeping Kyomasa away from Ai. He's making sure he his keeping the status of the silverback leader of the pack. If Kyomasa mated with Ai, he could be seen as the pack leader. Although they are half-siblings, this might not stop them from breeding. It's the job of the silverback to keep them apart. Shabani looks extremely stressed, as does the whole pack having to deal with the separation from Nene, and he has to contend with making sure he stays the leader of his group.
You are right but wrong at the same time. Shabani is the silverback and will be for a long time. Kiyo is still a blackback and can’t compete with Shabani as Shabani has twice weight as Shabani and besides Shabani is still a younger gorilla , and you are right about the stress caused by Nene!
It's because there real tension between Kiyo and shabani and Ai keeps walking near Shabani to make sure he doesn't mess with Kiyo and it's just finally made him snap. Don't forget Gorilla communicate in vocalisatons and body expressions. Ai keeps vocalising at shabani and following him around so he doesn't mess with Kiyo. I think its about time Kiyomasa and Gentaro finally get put in with Monta and be a bachelor group and when Riki and Kintaro are 12 and 13, put them in too Dont forget (Not a lot of people realise this) But Monta helped raise Momotaro from 1 year old to around 8 year old. It is also suspected that Monta is Momoko's sister Also Gentaro and Kiyomasa have a common ancester in Bitam who is Kisoro brother and Kibabu father. Bitam is Biju father Kisoro is Kibabu father Bitam and Kisoro are brithers meaning Bitam is Kibabu uncle . Biju is Momotaro father Kibabu is Shabani and Haoko father. Meaning Riki is related to Momotaro, Gentaro and Kintaro on both parents sides
Wow! Shibani was really ticked off. I wonder what happened to get him so riled. It's good he has such control. He went after Ai like a fury, but didn't hurt her.
I’ve defended this zoo in hue comment section of many Shabani troop videos across several YT channels. But at this point, there is absolutely zero update information on Nene and the tension between Kiyomasa and Shabani is on a direct path for disaster. The zoo appears completely inept in their planning to separate Kiyomasa from the troop as is the natural order for gorillas. The optics are so bad. Gentaro at Kiyoto zoo is in the same situation. Why are the troops in French and Taiwan zoos breeding more gorillas and providing better environments for the gorillas that mimic gorilla society in the wild so much better than Japan ? Even the American zoos will cooperate with each other for the sake of the gorillas so much better than Japanese zoos ? Why ? Why ? Why ? There are many bachelor groups in many zoos, all the while Annie is of breeding age and she just languishes instead of beginning her own family ? Why don’t they move AI who clearly doesn’t like Shabani and give him a more cooperative female and breed some more gorillas before Shabani passes from his prime ? So many questions, so much silence from Japanese zoos
It’s not fair on ki having to watch his back from Shabani all the time, weather the zoo likes it or not, unless they want either one of these silver backs, also Gentaro in the other zoo, seriously injured, then they definitely need to be moved, too much tension between the fathers and their sons, Shabani has just attacked the female for no reason, it’s too late when the damage has been done to one of these gorillas, they are of age to start their own families now, I don’t know a lot about gorillas, but I do know there won’t be a happy ending if they don’t get moved soon 😢
@@SonjaVanDam I know, mate...it's hard to look away though when you've watched for so long-Shabani's troop was the first Japanese gorilla channel (under iboschi) I watched maybe 7 years ago. It's frustrating not getting answers from the zoo administrators, but being keyboard viewers, I can guess they don't give a rats a$$ about what we think....we aren't there giving them money to view them. All we have are the videographers to bring us these views...thankful for that of course.
@@TheFlashyWeasel hi mate, there are a couple of blokes who call me a liar about what I write. It's facts I lay out not fiction. I have told them to look at the videos from a year ago.🙃 And the fool's think I'm lying. Go to my comment because anything I tag gets deleted.🤬 ✌️
Shabani is very fair, and a very loving father...he is the silverback of HIS troop. He's reminding the troop that he's in charge, he's the boss man and to not let his kindness get confused for weakness. Ai is now his main female, I believe he's using fear to subdue her in fulfilling his needs in the love department. I feel sad for Ai, because, she's grown accustomed through the years to letting her mother be lead female,while her and Shabani relationship changed to being buds. Even though they're animals, i feel they have similar thought processes as humans. Annie is such a positive light in the troop, her job is to be peace keeper.
@@thesummerof1968 Annie really is the bright light of hope for the future of this group. I think you’re spot on that notion that Shabani sent Ai a personal message today. “I’m large and in charge! Mind your P’s and Q’s, woman!”
I've seen D'Jeeco attack one of his wives. I've seen Momotaro bite Genki's arm & knock Gentaro's teeth out. I've seen Haoko attack Rikki when he caught him trying to mate with 1 of his sitters. This is the 1st time I've seen Shabani attack Ai. Shabani should have disciplined his troop when they gained up on him 1 year ago (not today).
When was Shabani ever considered a “Mellow Silverback”? he thinks he can just attack whenever he wants without reason but Ai & Kiyo will shut that shit down🤣.
What Shabani does is not unusual for Silverback gorillas. His brother Haoko does the same thing quite often. He goes after his mates, son, and daughters. The keepers there believe it's due to sexual frustration, as he desires Momoko, but she almost always puts him off. He does mate with Toto at times, but his preference is Momoko. He even tries mating, and actually has mated, with his daughter, Momoka. Momotaro goes after Genki at times. D'jeeco goes after his two mates at times. It's normal behavior, and people should stop calling the Silverbacks monsters, and bullies, etc. They aren't humans, and don't have the same societal norms as we do. Also, there are many humans who are much more vicious, and downright evil, as they do much worse to other humans, and to animals, even though they are supposed to know they shouldn't, according to human rules. Geesh!
He’s doing what silverbacks do, out in the wild Kyio would have been gone from the troop! If he really wanted to hurt them, Kyio and Ai could not handle him! He is the leader and he does what needs to be done to rule his troop!
@@ninawest88get over yourself. it’s a zoo, they take care of endangered animals. their priority isn’t updated people over seas on the condition of their animals. their priority is the animals.
It's hard to believe it was 12 mths ago when all this kicked off. It was painful to watch kiyomasa change from a teen to a blackback, the chaos came thick & fast. Shabani was patient but in the end he had to put aside his love for his son. He put up with alot from the troop, mating with his mom & trying with the girls. Kiyo got to cocky with Nene & Ai protecting him. Shabani took his power back & it got real. Kiyo needs to move or submit to his dad. When i check in with the troop, nothing has changed. It's disgraceful that they can't make decisions for the gorilla's in their care.🙃😥
All of those accusations you just said are false, he didn’t try to mate with his Nene & Ai stop trying to push that lie. It’s false and made up you know it so stop Spreading hate.
@@GrandRegentSScratch All you have to do it watch the videos from 12 mths ago. It seems like you're the only one that can't accept facts. They are not lies, stop with your stupid narrative that isn't based on any facts or knowledge. Watch the videos & get back to me, I didn't imagine Nene more than willing to offer herself up. I can't understand why you think I would make something up. Educate yourself. 🤔
@@SonjaVanDam It feels like it's been so futile, doesn't it Sonja? All of us who have been warning about the trainwreck ahead are now watching it unfold in slow motion. Tragic. 😢
It is suspected by Damian Aspinall that Bitam and Kisoro are brothers. Meaning that Bitam is Kisoro's sons (Kibabu) uncle. Bitam is Biju's father Biju is Momotaro father. Kisoro is Kibabu father Kibabu is Haoko and Shabani father. So that would mean Haoko and Momoko's offspring are related to, Momotaro and Gentaro and Kintaro on both his mothers and fathers side
Last few years yes.....but he demonstrated this kind of behaviour when kids were younger....but it's just silverbacks either way caring protective or rampaging when they feel the need 😅
I think that Shabani is very stressed at this point. One of his females is sick, and he now has the constant presence of a rival male. Kiyo is mature enough that even though he's Shabani's son Shabani will see him as competition.
It's because there real tension between Kiyo and shabani and Ai keeps walking near Shabani to make sure he doesn't mess with Kiyo and it's just finally made him snap. Don't forget Gorilla communicate in vocalisatons and body expressions. Ai keeps vocalising at shabani and following him around so he doesn't mess with Kiyo. I think its about time Kiyomasa and Gentaro finally get put in with Monta and be a bachelor group and when Riki and Kintaro are 12 and 13, put them in too Do t forget Monta raised a young Momotaro from age 1 to 8
@ To a point where she didn’t take any mess. Don’t push the wrong button that’s when she shows her teeth and screams loudly with a chase. I miss her so much that it brings tears to my eyes. I hope the zoo will show us an updated video of her.
Poor sweet Shabani, does all the work and responsibility part of the silverback/leader, takes care of his troop, but gets none of the benefits. He was so stressed over Nene’s illness, he has to keep big boy Kiyo under control especially around his sister Ai/Shabani’s wife, he raised his and Ai’s daughter Annie as a single father, and instead of any mating/breeding/having new babies with Ai all he gets is the cold shoulder as she’s more interested in her little brother plus she has never understood that Annie is her daughter or that Shabani is her husband/mate. And although Nene gave birth over a decade ago, now she is old, infirm, and likely dying. Kiyomasa should be placed with a more suitable group and as for Shabani a couple of females should be brought into this group (hint: ✔️Tayari.) But then again what’s the point of these zoos working to facilitate breeding when they haven’t got a clue what to do with these poor creatures once they’re born and start to grow up?!😡 All of these gorillas deserve better than this continual state of limbo! 🥺😠
@@redlipstickmafia I agree with everything you've said here *except* taking Tayari away from D'jeeco. She loves him so much, their relationship is my favorite in all gorilladom! ♥️♥️♥️
@@pamcunningham9608 I follow DJ's troop too and it would be a tragic error to take Tayari from Djeeco-they are already an established troop and could never see that happen
@@luvcats120Diego tem duas fêmeas e dois filhos que ele ama, o Zoo na vai cometer essa insanidade de tirar Iriki e Ringo de Diego, você está errado se pensa que Diego não gosta de Iriki e Iriki também gosta de Diego, ela é tímida e não tem que provar nada para humanos leigos!
It is most important that Iriki and Tayari never be separated. Progressive zoos know more than they used to and never separate two sisters who are paired to be together. It makes sense because they are bonded. Even though they sometimes fight, it would be emotionally too distressing. They could adjust to a new silverback if they had to, but to lose each other would be very difficult.
There are not many females to go around. You think oh I will just swap the females around. They have two female's in Japan but they are related, It would be great to snap your fingers & you get what you want? Dreams are free.
Give in? Females normally initiate mating. If Shabani wanted to (and if she were in estrus), he would. Ai had issues with Annie after birth, so I wouldn't look for any offspring, it's been 11 years now.
Shabani est le dos argenté s'il laisse Ai et kyomasa s accoupler il perd son statut. Dans la nature Ai serait prise de force depuis longtemps Shabani ne la force jamais. Mais elle doit comprendre qui est le dos argenté Kyomasa doit partir fonder sa troupe ailleurs sinon cela deviendra dangereux
Courage shabani les gens sont bêtes ils pensent qu'un gorille fonctionne comme un humain... Pathétique 😅 Tu as bien fait de montrer à Ai qui est le dos argenté Il est temps pour kyomasa d'aller dans un autre zoo
I knew that was coming,he will put the foot down and she won't like it.All of this hoo ha could be avoided if the zoo did the right thing by their animals.How is Nene? anyone? crickets.
Poor Ai😓, Kiyo & Ai can only really rely on each other now because there siblings. it’s very unfortunate that Ai has to put up with abuse from This tyrant but it’s nice to see that Kiyo & Annie & Ai will step in and bring him back to reality. 10:33 Handsome Kiyomasa😍
"tyrant" wtf this is normal gorilla behavior how the hell is he a tyrant. I see, so you ignoramuses want shabani to ignore all of his millions of years of instincts and be a push over, allow kiyomasa to become the dominant male, mate with his own sister and give birth to inbred children. You people are cretins
Needs to do the right thing instead of having this be recorded on a daily basis to see this constant stress that these animals have to live under. This is ridiculous. Zoo wake up and do the right thing
I HAVE TOÖD YOU BEFORE BUT YOU DONT LISTEN !!!!!!!! SHABANI AS A LEADER OF THE GROUP IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GROUP!!!!!!!!!!! COMPARED TO OTHER GORILA GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD HE MAKES HIS GROUP NERVOUS ALL THE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS A REALLY BAD GROUPLEADER AND DONT FIT INTO THIS GROUP !! YOU MUST DO SOMETHING !!!!!! FOR THE GORILLAS !
@@Zaros1337 I am not yelling on you or any other that comments ! Im yelling on the responsible people for the zoo and for them that works with the gorillas.
It's important not to blame the animals here
Shabani is stressed out because one of his females was separated from him and on top of that his son is now becoming a silverback and a threat to his position as alpha
The zoo needs to move Kiyo out of this enclosure asap.
So that means it’s perfectly fine to attack his “wife”? If you cannot proves that you have a degree in primatology then you’re words are just words, nothing more.
@@TheWhiteKnight1I agree, it’s always funny when they say “gorilla are very intelligent” and then suddenly backtrack and say that they’re just “animals”. It’s for whatever best fits the narrative I guess. 😒
Shabani does something awful and you guys still manage to blame Kiyomasa 😂
Can't I even say what I think if I don't have a degree?
So do you have a degree and leave confident comments? The important part about that is not to blame one side too quickly, is that wrong? We don't know what happened to Shabani and what happened to Kiyomasa, but you can't judge that by looking at this short video, and silverbacks have a habit of attacking members of the herd for reasons we don't know. So, are all silverbacks wrong and bad in the world?
@@TheWhiteKnight1 Can't I even say what I think if I don't have a degree?
So do you have a degree and leave confident comments? The important part about that is not to blame one side too quickly, is that wrong? We don't know what happened to Shabani and what happened to Kiyomasa, but you can't judge that by looking at this short video, and silverbacks have a habit of attacking members of the herd for reasons we don't know. So, are all silverbacks wrong and bad in the world?
Kiyomasa doing the "crab walk" is just adorable!
I thought the zoos were suppose to help the gorillas. All I see is that they are not doing their job or taking it serious. The zookeepers are responsible for the mentally and physically care for the gorillas. Nene finally separated from the troop. It took them forever to move her to the basement. The fighting among the troop is alarming. If they can’t handle the gorillas with respect then they have no business having a gorilla exhibition.
Shabani is just doing what all male gorillas do, asserting his authority.🦾❤️🇺🇸
If a Silverback pushing over one of his wives traumatizes you you probably should not watch gorillas
Annie is a brave girl, diverting her dad away from aggressive behaviour. She has a mischievous personality, but when called for, she plays the role of peacekeeper with Shabani. ❤
She’s the only one that has that quieting power in the group right now. Nene used to have that role and it likely soothes Shabani when he goes downstairs. Annie must be stressing harder now worrying seeing that even Ai is fair game. It’s like Shabani is in a pressure cooker mode right now and he’s letting steam out while proving he’s in charge. I’m not a primatologist, and despite the written description that this was all good, I noticed that Kyomasa is now walking backwards all the time. Like he knows now- I must keep my back to the wall so I can always see when he’s coming for me. I never noticed this behavior quite so much as in this video today. I was seeing that he always places his body strategically near the door and that he’s hyper vigilant. How exhausting. It’s a form of his constant need to self defensive- keeping his eyes on that door to avoid being pounced on from behind. It was hard to watch Ai take the nip today.
@@ForestGirlTeresa I think Annie will always do what’s best for her dad. The way he protected her is almost the same way she protects him. She’s very loyal even if he’s acting out. They have a special bond🙂
Shabz wasnt into hurting Ai but to discipline her. Its sign of dominance,every silverback doing such things in certain situations. Apparently Ai didnt do something that Shabani wanted her to do.
Horrible😥😓😭😭
No big deal, Shabani just letting Ai know who the silverback is. Silverbacks discipline their troop to maintain their position. They could easily kill any of the others but run away after making their point to avoid inflicting any serious injuries. Never forget Shabani would die protecting his family if he had to.
Shabani is saying “Go away!” Kiyo responds back “I got no where to go!!!”
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Shabani es el gorila mas guapo, deberia tener mas hijos. Y kiyomasa tener su propia tropa. Buenos genes para transmitir
I've read quite a bit about gorillas and watched a lot of documentaries. Shabani is warning Ai to keep away from Kyomasa and keeping Kyomasa away from Ai. He's making sure he his keeping the status of the silverback leader of the pack. If Kyomasa mated with Ai, he could be seen as the pack leader. Although they are half-siblings, this might not stop them from breeding. It's the job of the silverback to keep them apart.
Shabani looks extremely stressed, as does the whole pack having to deal with the separation from Nene, and he has to contend with making sure he stays the leader of his group.
You are right but wrong at the same time. Shabani is the silverback and will be for a long time. Kiyo is still a blackback and can’t compete with Shabani as Shabani has twice weight as Shabani and besides Shabani is still a younger gorilla , and you are right about the stress caused by Nene!
@@stevemorris6790Where is nene right now ?
It's because there real tension between Kiyo and shabani and Ai keeps walking near Shabani to make sure he doesn't mess with Kiyo and it's just finally made him snap.
Don't forget Gorilla communicate in vocalisatons and body expressions.
Ai keeps vocalising at shabani and following him around so he doesn't mess with Kiyo.
I think its about time Kiyomasa and Gentaro finally get put in with Monta and be a bachelor group and when Riki and Kintaro are 12 and 13, put them in too
Dont forget (Not a lot of people realise this) But Monta helped raise Momotaro from 1 year old to around 8 year old.
It is also suspected that Monta is Momoko's sister
Also Gentaro and Kiyomasa have a common ancester in Bitam who is Kisoro brother and Kibabu father.
Bitam is Biju father
Kisoro is Kibabu father
Bitam and Kisoro are brithers meaning Bitam is Kibabu uncle .
Biju is Momotaro father
Kibabu is Shabani and Haoko father.
Meaning Riki is related to Momotaro, Gentaro and Kintaro on both parents sides
Wow! Shibani was really ticked off. I wonder what happened to get him so riled. It's good he has such control. He went after Ai like a fury, but didn't hurt her.
I’ve defended this zoo in hue comment section of many Shabani troop videos across several YT channels. But at this point, there is absolutely zero update information on Nene and the tension between Kiyomasa and Shabani is on a direct path for disaster. The zoo appears completely inept in their planning to separate Kiyomasa from the troop as is the natural order for gorillas. The optics are so bad. Gentaro at Kiyoto zoo is in the same situation. Why are the troops in French and Taiwan zoos breeding more gorillas and providing better environments for the gorillas that mimic gorilla society in the wild so much better than Japan ? Even the American zoos will cooperate with each other for the sake of the gorillas so much better than Japanese zoos ? Why ? Why ? Why ? There are many bachelor groups in many zoos, all the while Annie is of breeding age and she just languishes instead of beginning her own family ? Why don’t they move AI who clearly doesn’t like Shabani and give him a more cooperative female and breed some more gorillas before Shabani passes from his prime ? So many questions, so much silence from Japanese zoos
@@annemariemcnamara8756please stop spreading misinformation. There are no videos on the zoos website.
Both great comments. I don't watch troops in Japan it's heartbreaking. When I do check in occasionally, nothing has changed. Why 🤔
It’s not fair on ki having to watch his back from Shabani all the time, weather the zoo likes it or not, unless they want either one of these silver backs, also Gentaro in the other zoo, seriously injured, then they definitely need to be moved, too much tension between the fathers and their sons, Shabani has just attacked the female for no reason, it’s too late when the damage has been done to one of these gorillas, they are of age to start their own families now, I don’t know a lot about gorillas, but I do know there won’t be a happy ending if they don’t get moved soon 😢
@@SonjaVanDam I know, mate...it's hard to look away though when you've watched for so long-Shabani's troop was the first Japanese gorilla channel (under iboschi) I watched maybe 7 years ago. It's frustrating not getting answers from the zoo administrators, but being keyboard viewers, I can guess they don't give a rats a$$ about what we think....we aren't there giving them money to view them. All we have are the videographers to bring us these views...thankful for that of course.
@@TheFlashyWeasel hi mate, there are a couple of blokes who call me a liar about what I write. It's facts I lay out not fiction. I have told them to look at the videos from a year ago.🙃 And the fool's think I'm lying. Go to my comment because anything I tag gets deleted.🤬 ✌️
Ai was like WTH 🤦🏻♀️ why??
Could we get an update on NeNe please
If Nene was there, she would have Shabani running for the hills. She didn't take Shabani's crap when it came to her kids.
Shabani is very fair, and a very loving father...he is the silverback of HIS troop.
He's reminding the troop that he's in charge, he's the boss man and to not let his kindness get confused for weakness.
Ai is now his main female,
I believe he's using fear to subdue her in fulfilling his needs in the love department.
I feel sad for Ai, because, she's grown accustomed through the years to letting her mother be lead female,while her and Shabani relationship changed to being buds.
Even though they're animals, i feel they have similar thought processes as humans.
Annie is such a positive light in the troop, her job is to be peace keeper.
@@thesummerof1968 Annie really is the bright light of hope for the future of this group. I think you’re spot on that notion that Shabani sent Ai a personal message today. “I’m large and in charge! Mind your P’s and Q’s, woman!”
Poor Kiyo..I hope things get better for him.
I've seen D'Jeeco attack one of his wives. I've seen Momotaro bite Genki's arm & knock Gentaro's teeth out. I've seen Haoko attack Rikki when he caught him trying to mate with 1 of his sitters. This is the 1st time I've seen Shabani attack Ai. Shabani should have disciplined his troop when they gained up on him 1 year ago (not today).
When was Shabani ever considered a “Mellow Silverback”? he thinks he can just attack whenever he wants without reason but Ai & Kiyo will shut that shit down🤣.
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What Shabani does is not unusual for Silverback gorillas. His brother Haoko does the same thing quite often. He goes after his mates, son, and daughters. The keepers there believe it's due to sexual frustration, as he desires Momoko, but she almost always puts him off. He does mate with Toto at times, but his preference is Momoko. He even tries mating, and actually has mated, with his daughter, Momoka.
Momotaro goes after Genki at times. D'jeeco goes after his two mates at times.
It's normal behavior, and people should stop calling the Silverbacks monsters, and bullies, etc. They aren't humans, and don't have the same societal norms as we do. Also, there are many humans who are much more vicious, and downright evil, as they do much worse to other humans, and to animals, even though they are supposed to know they shouldn't, according to human rules.
Geesh!
He’s doing what silverbacks do, out in the wild Kyio would have been gone from the troop! If he really wanted to hurt them, Kyio and Ai could not handle him! He is the leader and he does what needs to be done to rule his troop!
Shabani has a reason. Most of what goes on within the troop is not filmed nor explained.
Time to separate the two silverbacks, maybe move Kiyo to a bachelor group. The stress is becoming too much for the troop.
We need proof that Nene is still even alive. Why can they at least take are ent video of her so we can see how she is🤨This situation is irritating me.
It's long past time for Kiyo to move. Things will only deteriorate the longer he's left in there.😢
@@ninawest88get over yourself. it’s a zoo, they take care of endangered animals. their priority isn’t updated people over seas on the condition of their animals. their priority is the animals.
It will calm back down when AI is no longer in heat.
@@ninawest88because shes not alive. She passed months ago. Japanese Zoos domt have rules.
It's hard to believe it was 12 mths ago when all this kicked off. It was painful to watch kiyomasa change from a teen to a blackback, the chaos came thick & fast. Shabani was patient but in the end he had to put aside his love for his son. He put up with alot from the troop, mating with his mom & trying with the girls. Kiyo got to cocky with Nene & Ai protecting him. Shabani took his power back & it got real. Kiyo needs to move or submit to his dad. When i check in with the troop, nothing has changed. It's disgraceful that they can't make decisions for the gorilla's in their care.🙃😥
All of those accusations you just said are false, he didn’t try to mate with his Nene & Ai stop trying to push that lie. It’s false and made up you know it so stop
Spreading hate.
@@GrandRegentSScratch All you have to do it watch the videos from 12 mths ago. It seems like you're the only one that can't accept facts. They are not lies, stop with your stupid narrative that isn't based on any facts or knowledge. Watch the videos & get back to me, I didn't imagine Nene more than willing to offer herself up. I can't understand why you think I would make something up. Educate yourself. 🤔
Watch the videos from 12 mths ago.👁️👁️see for yourself. Ignorance is not a pretty colour on your face.@@GrandRegentSScratch
Keep telling yourself t hat. Watch the videos. I feel like you can't handle the facts😅@@GrandRegentSScratch
@@SonjaVanDam It feels like it's been so futile, doesn't it Sonja? All of us who have been warning about the trainwreck ahead are now watching it unfold in slow motion. Tragic. 😢
It is suspected by Damian Aspinall that Bitam and Kisoro are brothers.
Meaning that Bitam is Kisoro's sons (Kibabu) uncle.
Bitam is Biju's father
Biju is Momotaro father.
Kisoro is Kibabu father
Kibabu is Haoko and Shabani father.
So that would mean Haoko and Momoko's offspring are related to, Momotaro and Gentaro and Kintaro on both his mothers and fathers side
This is weird, Shabani never acts like this to his females. He is clearly stressed.
Last few years yes.....but he demonstrated this kind of behaviour when kids were younger....but it's just silverbacks either way caring protective or rampaging when they feel the need 😅
I think that Shabani is very stressed at this point. One of his females is sick, and he now has the constant presence of a rival male. Kiyo is mature enough that even though he's Shabani's son Shabani will see him as competition.
He will try to correct them Kiyo and Ai if they disrespect him.
It's because there real tension between Kiyo and shabani and Ai keeps walking near Shabani to make sure he doesn't mess with Kiyo and it's just finally made him snap.
Don't forget Gorilla communicate in vocalisatons and body expressions.
Ai keeps vocalising at shabani and following him around so he doesn't mess with Kiyo.
I think its about time Kiyomasa and Gentaro finally get put in with Monta and be a bachelor group and when Riki and Kintaro are 12 and 13, put them in too
Do t forget Monta raised a young Momotaro from age 1 to 8
@@mmaphilosophyI thought someone said they were building a new primate house at Chiba? They did a crowdfunding or something
I do miss Nene. She didn’t back down from anything. She had that sweet mean personality. 🥰❤️❤️
Mean?
@ To a point where she didn’t take any mess. Don’t push the wrong button that’s when she shows her teeth and screams loudly with a chase. I miss her so much that it brings tears to my eyes. I hope the zoo will show us an updated video of her.
I would love to know what is going on with Nene! I miss my crusty old queen. 💔
@ I’ll except a 2 minute video. Let that special 2 minutes be our Christmas gift. 💝
@@pamcunningham9608me too Pam! I sure don’t miss the nasty things some of these people would say though!
Its about time nene was reintroduced
Poor Nene. I think she needs to have a permanent quiet time. Maybe a few visits from Ai. I don’t think she can keep up with the troop anymore.😢
Shabani use to play with Nene like that. I guess AI is his new best friend. lol. I miss Nene
Poor sweet Shabani, does all the work and responsibility part of the silverback/leader, takes care of his troop, but gets none of the benefits.
He was so stressed over Nene’s illness, he has to keep big boy Kiyo under control especially around his sister Ai/Shabani’s wife, he raised his and Ai’s daughter Annie as a single father, and instead of any mating/breeding/having new babies with Ai all he gets is the cold shoulder as she’s more interested in her little brother plus she has never understood that Annie is her daughter or that Shabani is her husband/mate. And although Nene gave birth over a decade ago, now she is old, infirm, and likely dying.
Kiyomasa should be placed with a more suitable group and as for Shabani a couple of females should be brought into this group (hint: ✔️Tayari.) But then again what’s the point of these zoos working to facilitate breeding when they haven’t got a clue what to do with these poor creatures once they’re born and start to grow up?!😡
All of these gorillas deserve better than this continual state of limbo! 🥺😠
@@redlipstickmafia I agree with everything you've said here *except* taking Tayari away from D'jeeco. She loves him so much, their relationship is my favorite in all gorilladom! ♥️♥️♥️
@@pamcunningham9608 I follow DJ's troop too and it would be a tragic error to take Tayari from Djeeco-they are already an established troop and could never see that happen
@@TheFlashyWeasel Maybe Iriki? She doesn’t seem to be so close to D’Jeeco. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@luvcats120Diego tem duas fêmeas e dois filhos que ele ama, o Zoo na vai cometer essa insanidade de tirar Iriki e Ringo de Diego, você está errado se pensa que Diego não gosta de Iriki e Iriki também gosta de Diego, ela é tímida e não tem que provar nada para humanos leigos!
It is most important that Iriki and Tayari never be separated. Progressive zoos know more than they used to and never separate two sisters who are paired to be together. It makes sense because they are bonded. Even though they sometimes fight, it would be emotionally too distressing. They could adjust to a new silverback if they had to, but to lose each other would be very difficult.
Kiyo trying to defend his his sister Ai. Nene had that house in order.😢
Shabani was sending a reminder to Ai. You are my female and stop interfering. It's all good. 😮
Give Shabani new female, send Ai to another troop as it's clear she is willing to mate and have relations just not with shabanai for whatever reason
There are not many females to go around. You think oh I will just swap the females around. They have two female's in Japan but they are related, It would be great to snap your fingers & you get what you want? Dreams are free.
Because he is abusive.
@@TheWhiteKnight1il n'a jamais été violent Ai est chiante
@@TheWhiteKnight1 j'ajoute que Ai dans la nature aurait été prise de force Shabani ne l'a jamais fait
Ai she's gotta give in ,she makes frustrated for long time 😔
Give in? Females normally initiate mating. If Shabani wanted to (and if she were in estrus), he would. Ai had issues with Annie after birth, so I wouldn't look for any offspring, it's been 11 years now.
Is that poop all over the floor mixed with their food🙄frst Nene,now filthy. Somebody needs to step in quick!
Oh no poor ai! I wonder why Shabani did that :(
😱😱😱😱 pauvre Ai c est marrant il n'y a que annie pour calmer monsieur shabani il ne lui fera jamais de mal a annie
Shabani est le dos argenté s'il laisse Ai et kyomasa s accoupler il perd son statut. Dans la nature Ai serait prise de force depuis longtemps Shabani ne la force jamais. Mais elle doit comprendre qui est le dos argenté
Kyomasa doit partir fonder sa troupe ailleurs sinon cela deviendra dangereux
NeNe usually was the one getting rolled when Shabani had them episodes.
Warum ist Shabani so wütend auf Ai? 🤔 Ich bin froh, dass Ai nicht verletzt ist. 🥰
They need a bigger outside nature area for them. Have trees and logs and boulders and high foliage!
Poor Ai looks like she been held captive by that mean Shabani. I don't like him one bit!!!
Maybe they should move him, he's the problem.
There's so much tension with the troop. Is NeNe ok?
she is fine.
Courage shabani les gens sont bêtes ils pensent qu'un gorille fonctionne comme un humain... Pathétique 😅
Tu as bien fait de montrer à Ai qui est le dos argenté
Il est temps pour kyomasa d'aller dans un autre zoo
Es sind wirklich gerade schwere Zeiten für alle
シャバーニ、毎日頑張ってアイちゃんにアピールしてるけど、アイちゃんはどう思ってるんですかね😞
何も起こらないままってのも、シャバーニが可哀想で。
ホントそうですよね💦
when are they going to introduce Annie to Gentaro?
I knew that was coming,he will put the foot down and she won't like it.All of this hoo ha could be avoided if the zoo did the right thing by their animals.How is Nene? anyone? crickets.
Привет. Вот ваш добряк что вытворяет. Напал на самку. Уже писала, что добром это не кончится. Спасибо за видео. Удачи.
Poor Ai😓, Kiyo & Ai can only really rely on each other now because there siblings. it’s very unfortunate that Ai has to put up with abuse from This tyrant but it’s nice to see that Kiyo & Annie & Ai will step in and bring him back to reality. 10:33 Handsome Kiyomasa😍
Yes kiyo is a lovely boy, he's been feeling it recently with Shabani keeping him away from the females more frequently....needs his own company 😊
yet ai has tried to mate with kiyo
"tyrant" wtf this is normal gorilla behavior how the hell is he a tyrant. I see, so you ignoramuses want shabani to ignore all of his millions of years of instincts and be a push over, allow kiyomasa to become the dominant male, mate with his own sister and give birth to inbred children. You people are cretins
@@KINGPHANTOMw85false
@@KINGPHANTOMw85he never mated with his sister Ai, or his mother Nene. That’s a rumor you haters made up!
どっちも大きいけどシャバーニより桃太郎の方が強そう。
シャバーニはこれでも優しい。
桃太郎ならキヨマサ、アイを噛みまくってる。
各自の長所があると思います 😊
Needs to do the right thing instead of having this be recorded on a daily basis to see this constant stress that these animals have to live under. This is ridiculous. Zoo wake up and do the right thing
How do you know thats their real names, did you ask them ?
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I HAVE TOÖD YOU BEFORE BUT YOU DONT LISTEN !!!!!!!! SHABANI AS A LEADER OF THE GROUP IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GROUP!!!!!!!!!!! COMPARED TO OTHER GORILA GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD HE MAKES HIS GROUP NERVOUS ALL THE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS A REALLY BAD GROUPLEADER AND DONT FIT INTO THIS GROUP !! YOU MUST DO SOMETHING !!!!!! FOR THE GORILLAS !
Why are you yelling at random people?
@@Zaros1337 I am not yelling on you or any other that comments ! Im yelling on the responsible people for the zoo and for them that works with the gorillas.
@@michaelwaxmann8989 Yeah, people tend to think otherwise when they see a message in all caps and about 50 exclamation marks to go with it.