I Completely Cracked Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Check Out More Theories: • MY BEST THEORIES PMD is great, and in honour of the direct's recently released remake Switch demo: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Rescue Team DX, I am back! At the end of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky/Time/Darkness, Darkrai hops through a time portal, but it’s shattered by Palkia. Afterwards, you can recruit Darkrai the Pokemon (in various dungeons), but that is not the same CHARACTER. So where did he go? What happened? This conspiracy of mine will indeed blow your mind (unless you too thought of it, which might be likely).
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MUSIC:
All of the music is from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky (by Nintendo), or is provided by Epidemic Sound.
INTRO SONG
"Once Upon a Time in Wonderland - Theme Song" by Mark Isham and ABC Studios.
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Cresselia wasting Reviver Seeds. I can relate to that.
So can I
Hahaha... I can relate with that. 😂 Most especially if Cresselia walk away with you with unknown reasons.
@@connordrake5713 if Cresselia walks away *from you *for unknown reasons
I made a meme of that:
*Terraria normal sun* Reviver seed
*Terraria sun with sunglasses* Cresselia’s favorite food
Only because your YOOM-TAH is weak.
You just somehow managed to make my favorite game of all time even better.
Also, its a relief to know that I wasn't the only one who suffered because of Cresselia.
"STOP USING SLASH ON MISMAGIUS AND JUST USE CONFUSION, FOR FUCK'S SAKE"
YEAH! GLAD WE AGREE CELEBI
do me a favor and look up pokemon mystery dungeon: explorers of the spirit you definitely enjoy it
Anyone that's still theorizing about Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (The best ones in the series, at that) gets a subscription from me.
I still do it
I still think about what the story would be like if the player got their memory and turned back into a human when dusknoir drags the player and the partner into the future
There's actually a rom hack where you wake up as the player pokemon and constantly exemplify more anger and violence toward others, and the whole "chosen one" prophecy seems to be out of sorts. It turns out that the Darkrai from the end of Explorers of Sky turns into a pokemon and gets catapulted into a different timeline and transformed into the player pokemon. Then the Darkrai of that new timeline starts trying to get you on his side. It's pretty insane.
Ooh! Thats interesting! Whats the hacks name?
@@HarmonizedHero "Explorers of the Spirit,"
idk why he wouldn't say it by name
Completed it today ! Knew from the start it was about that theory. Loved it.
1:54 What makes you say that? The Darkrai that you can recruit being the same Darkrai seems to be the most likely answer given that:
1) If you chat to it in Spinda's Café it alludes to its attempts to plunge the world into darkness
2) It's the same level as when you fought it in Dark Crater
3) The fact that it can be found in so many dungeons suggests that it's wandering aimlessly around the world, which would make sense given that it has amnesia.
Yes, it even mentions the amnesia.
@Lloyd Johannessen Maybe he was looking for a "Miracle" to end his amnesia or get some of his memories back? Eh
yep, when i recruited him i remember him saying something about he feeling the darkness sleeping inside him, i think that is a reference about he being the Darkrai who tried to put the world into darkness and having a gut feeling about what he did in the past
...i kind of like the dude, now he looks like a guy who try to be good, or at least a try to be a good companion
That could be explained with the parallel timelines aspect of the theory.
In timeline one, Darkrai is turned human and thrown into a parallel universe version of the dystopia he created. A dystopia that already has its own Darkrai. So then when the newly transformed human goes back to the past to save the world, the new Darkrai follows him and the evens of the game happen
After Primal Dialga is beaten, either he or Arceus grant the wish of the partner and make the two universes exist simultaneously. The first universe stays as a dystopia that's eventually erased and the second has a utopic future recreated.
And then Darkai 2 tries to kill you, and when Palkia hits him the second time, his memories are just erased and sent into a dungeon instead of being flung into a third future
Hope it makes sense
Ok I'm 99% sure you're wrong at 1:49. If you speak to Darkrai after you recruit him he talks about a memory loss he had at a point of his life.
Sam and also no. Reminder that the Darkrai at the end of the game got transformed. However there are different Darkrai.
@@FrostGlader No there isnt, he is a mythical pokemon
Nils med Skills in Mystery Dungeon, you can get more than one of the same Pokémon, including Mythical Pokémon.
At least, I think so, have never beaten the game.
@@FrostGlader I am aware of that, however, it is common knowledge that this is just traits of spinoff-games like Mystery Dungeon etc. In the Pokemon Universe, there can never actually exist multiple legendaries or mythicals of the same sort, there exists only 1 Dialga, 1 Palkia, and 1 Darkrai and 1 Cresselia.The fact that Darkrai in this game can appear in multiple dungeons just means that...yeah, you can simply encounter him in multiple dungeons
Nils med Skills anime lore would like to disagree, as the presence of more than one Darkrai in the series proves that multiple legendary Pokémon exist. Shiny Rayquaza and Regular Rayquaza, shown in the Hoopa movie and Manaphy movie respectively are another example. And Deoxys is a clear cut example.
Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and Arceus are the exceptions.
And on top of that, Cosmog and Type: Null are confirmed to be in multiples.
Darkrai was a bitch in this game but atleast he's good in the movie. This game was the first game to make me almost cry when I disappeared
me too. and when grovyle left with dusknoir at the hidden land.
This game is obviously sadder than the first games
This game's story is arguably the best one out of all the Pokemon Games. No harm. No hate. Just personal preference
What if Darkrai is everyone. And everyone is Darkrai. They don't know though *and never will*
That's something Darkrai would say!
So what next the thirteen seeker of darkness? 🤔
We are all the nightmares of our own existence of constant suffering, disparity, and unfufillment
Honestly, pretty much everything points to Darkrai being the same one that you can recruit after the fight. Because he doesn't show up before the confrontation, and everything he says if you talk to him points to the fact that it is the same Darkrai. It is very likely that he just ended up as a potential member because he lost his memory and doesn't remember who you are. Even Bulbapedia says it is the same Darkrai as the one you fight in Dark Crater.
Nate Cowman
Yes! This whole theory is useless because there is an ingame explanation for his destiny.
I don't really agree with this theory. You missed one crucial detail, Theorizer. Darkrai himself explained that it was the hero's fierce will protect Grovyle that turned them into a Pokémon. Here's the exact quote from Darkrai himself. "It appears your fierce will to protect your partner became entangled with the many dimensions during your time travel." By that logic, Darkrai, a selfish being who preferred to work alone, would not turn into a human, but he would still lose his memories.
I actually have a different theory. The Explorers!Hero, unlike like the other heroes, didn't express shock when the partner first spoke to them, almost like it was completely natural for them. They react more to the fact that they were unconscious on the beach. Maybe a side effect of the Dimensional Scream is understanding Pokémon language. We have seen some humans, like N, can understand Pokémon language. So who's to say that isn't the case for the Explorers!Hero? Perhaps the reason that they're the only human has to with Ultra Wormholes. (Spoilers for Pokémon Sun/Moon and Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) In ORAS, Zinnia confirmed the existence of alternate realities. In the Sun and Moon story, you travel to a different dimension known as Ultra Space. In the post game, you can travel to an alternate reality using the ultra wormhole that appears at the shrine on Poni Island. In the post story, Anabel, who is from the Emerald Universe, woke up one day on Poni Island, without most of her memories. In ORAS, Looker washed up on a beach and when he woke up, he didn't remember anything. My theory is that the Explorers!Hero ended up in the dark future via Ultra Wormhole. Maybe the Dimensional Scream is a side-effect of going through an Ultra Wormhole.
Cierra Sol you realize he said IT APPEARS not YOU CHANGED BECAUSE OF appears by one of its definitions means seem or give the impression of being so Darkrai basically said IT SEEMS rather than state that is why it happened
I'VE SEEN TOO MANY THEORIES MY MIND IS ON FIRE
Cierra Sol not that bad, but back then, there was almost guaranteed no planning on Sun and Moon in the first place. Also I think that they wan't to seperate storyplanning for spinoffs and the main games. Still, it could be possible, but most likely not intended or at least not back then or at the very least never revealed. That's all :D
You can't just retcon details from another game when it didn't exist at the time sky was released.
Cierra Sol
Stop melting my brain.
I hate to be that guy, but your theory has a pretty big hole. When Grovyle, Celebi and Dusknoir are fighting Dialga, they're already in the process of disappearing, which means the Hero and Partner have already defeated Dialga in the past. My point is, by the time the Hero, Partner, and Cresselia defeat Darkrai, the future of darkness no longer exists, so Darkrai could not have been sent to that time.
Darkrai wasn't sent to THAT world (saved future/OG futre) if we are going by his theory. He was sent to another time and dimension which replayed the events of the game over. This would soon cause loop and i think you can take it from there.
*insert handwavey parallel universe stuff*
I think he's saying that they're 2 co-existing timelines because of Arceus
Silver, Guardian of Aura, you must play the special episode of explorer of sky, "into the future." That explains why mystery dungeon universe has two parallel universe, where grovyle and dusknoir exist and the other one is that they do not exist at all. In short, the dystopia and utopia.
yea but no Multiverse plain and simple
To me, I always thought the Darkrai in Mystery Dungeon is the same as the one in Anime.
The one in the Anime turned good because he lost his memory in Mystery Dungeon, therefore when he traveled to another timeline (when Palkia and Dialga was fighting) he was heroic because of how his experiences there shaped him.
Problem is, this Darkrai is shiny.
great to see big channels covering such and underrated game
Well this will be a inf loop because Darkrai will turn in to a human meet grovyle and Darkrai number 3 will turn him into a Pokemon again and it keeps going
Daisuke that’s why we keep replaying the game lol
The cycle most be broken
A la Marvel Zombies?
@@DARS_04 u mean cod zombies :p
Great theory. A few flaws.
1. Darkrai would still remember his name, just like we did. If he were to become a human in dystopia, he would at least remember that, and that would be a huge red flag for anyone else living in dystopia to not speak to him. He is a legendary, those who live there know about him.
2. When you wake up on the beach and say your name, 99% of the time you wouldn't say Darkrai. The ONLY thing we remember is our name, so I don't understand why Darkrai would change his name randomly after becoming human. Plus, if you were to say Darkrai, since the next thing our partner says is that we don't seem bad, that's a huge red flag. Pokemon must know of Darkrai's existence, even if they don't know who he is or what he looks like.
I think it would make much more sense that Darkrai is just a bad guy, and you actually were created by Arceus or something to save everyone in the past from living i such a horrible future. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please, I'd love an actual debate on this! It's my favorite game so I'm super passionate about it.
SpencyRockMC Let's look at it this way. Assuming you were originally a human who lived in the dystopia with Grovyle, and assuming you had a normal, human name, we must then consider why we are the only human ever mentioned in the entire story. Why are there no humans in the future or the past? Are there humans that we just never hear about? Did humans ever exist in the first place? In order for you to disprove the Theorizor, we would have to prove that the main character was originally a human, but that's impossible if they were the only human in existence. Unless that one human was created directly by Arceus and given a name, or if there really were other humans that are just never mentioned, then the main character couldn't have originally been a human.
SpencyRockMC Another thing. Arguing from the Theorizer's side, here's a thought. What if Darkrai number 1 was originally nicknamed by a trainer? There is no evidence that pokéballs exist in this game, but I don't think that matters. Grovyle traveled with you when you were a human, whether it was with or without a pokéball makes no difference. Anyways, before Darkrai was first turned into a human, he could've been nicknamed by a human, then gone evil. When he was transformed into a human, all he could remember was the name he was given by the human. That name stayed with him even when he was turned again into a different Pokémon on the beach at the start of the game (which is whatever name you type in at the start of the game).
Eva Carmella your a Savior
Eva Carmella no u
To be fair, his actual name may not have been Darkrai, that’s just his species name. I think all Pokemon probably have a unique name of sort, as it seems odd for your partner to just randomly have a name other than their species. Maybe they get a name at birth, I have no clue. Or he didn’t remember his name as Darkrai as it wasn’t really his individual name, like a human’s is.
OK this comment us gonna be before I look at the video.
My theory is that he ends up being the darkrai in the movie that has the time and space pokemon (I know there names I just can't spell it). Like he would have no memory's and no reason to do anything bad because of this lost memory's.
And also when there was a flash back part of the movie showing darkrai when he first arrived he was injured
What's so difficult about writing Dialga and Palkia?
piluex2 I stated I can't spell there names.
Yeah, Inwas just sking why do you find it that difficult, I'm not trying to be mean, I was geniunly curious about it
piluex2 oh my bad.
And the reason would be that I can't spell well.
I really suck at spelling.
piluex2 "Inwas just sking"
This whole theory is based off the assumption that the Darkrai you can recruit after the postgame in Dark Crater is not the same one; but yet, while theorizing about all the other stuff, you provided next to no evidence of how you came to that conclusion in the first place, which seems pretty important considering it’s what everything else follows up on.
Not to mention, we have proof in game that the human already could communicate with Pokémon in the Dark Future, namely Grovyle. At the Groudon statue, we get the vision of someone talking who says, “That lifts the fog! Very well done! Good job, partner!” Afterwards, we as the player go, “Whose voice was that? I didn’t even get a sense of what the voice sounded like… but it still bugs me for some reason.” The only two possible speakers for voice heard in the scream is either the past version (in the future) of the player speaking to Grovyle, or Grovyle speaking to the player. It goes along with their investigations they did of the locations of Time Gears that we find out about later. And considering the voice is saying “well done”, as if it’s only through this “partner” that they found out the info about the fog; that implies that it is Grovyle congratulating the player after successfully using the Dimensional Scream in the future on the statue. This means they could already communicate.
Granted, that does mean it’s a little confusing that the human is shocked to see a talking Pokémon at the beginning of the game; but if you assume that maybe the human is from somewhere more like the mainline games, where they couldn’t understand Pokémon, and then maybe had some sort of Ultra Wormhole or Spacetime Rift or Time Travel shenanagins to end up in a completely different world (like with Anabel), that’s how they got to the Dark Future; maybe that’s even how they got the Dimensional Scream; and at the very least, they had more experience in the “normal” Pokémon world where Pokémon “can’t talk”, and so although they got used to it with Grovyle and others in the dark future, after having their memory erased, they defaulted to their ORIGINAL memory assumptions, that “Pokémon can’t talk”. This means the beginning at the beach is actually the THIRD world they’ve lived in. The first likely being somewhere in mainline Pokémon, the second in the dark future, and the third being in the past, as a Pokémon.
Regardless, several details lead me to believe that you are not Darkrai lol, or at the least, certain things you assumed were true in this video are at least challenged by other pieces of evidence.
Cool video, but I still have one question: What the HECK is up with the time gear in the volcano? It's not in the game, but in explorers of darkness, it's on the title screen.
Probably the fifth time gear. Three in the lakes, one in Treeshroud Forest. So where's the fifth? Probably the volcano that Grovyle had to go to in order to get it both times
The fifth is shown in one of Explorers of Sky's Special Episodes and it is not located in a volcano.
Well, there's probably more than just five time gears. They only needed five. So they found the location of five.
I guess the caves Mesprit and Azelf are in might lead to a part of the volcano where there's just no water?
@@puffynoodle5997 no that makes no sense, im pretty sure darkrai placed the 5 time gears in the mystery dungeons after he stole them from temporal tower
It's a time paradox...
GUPTist THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK WITH TIME TRAVEL
MY MIND BLOWED
personally, I always theorized that the hurted darkrai we see in the movie were the darkrai from the game, he just never mentioned it because he haved amnesia (plus he seemed preety confused in the flashback of the movie, asking "who are you ?" at the first person he see), and was hurt by the shattering portals
Darkrai, the original Black Goku.
Goku Black isn't just evil Goku. He's a Supreme Kai who wished on the Super Dragon balls to body-swap with Goku.
This is a cool theory, but I don't agree with it.
I consider Legendary and Mythical Pokémon as unique (at least in videogames), so the Darkrai that you can recruit afer credits is the same of the main story. He has just lost his memory; if we put PokéPark in the same timeline of Mystery Dungeon Series, mabye he's the same Darkrai that own the Wish Park in PP2.
Btw, there is a thing that totally doesn't fit with your theory: even if is genderless Darkrai talks of himself as a male (idk in the English dub, but in Italian is so) BUT you can chose to be a female at the start of the game!
That gender bit can be explained.
Remember how Azurill (75% female/25% male) can change gender when it evolves into Marill (50/50% male/female)?
Darkrai, a genderless Pokémon (or male, if we can trust how languages assign gender), is transformed into a creature of two genders, a human, with a 50/50% ratio.
The gender of the human isn't really told at any point, so it ends up being the gender you choose, which affects which Pokemon the human can turn into after the second transformation.
Pucked It's a bit weird, considering that in origin the Azuril gender-change was a bug... but you can be right. XD
Btw I still don't agree with the theory, 'cause I consider Darkrai as an unique pokémon.
Forse so chi sono I commented something like this a few minutes ago XD because I was confused too
its possible that the space-time portal can while transforming a character into a different species, it could change the user's gender.
Gender is pretty flexible, I suppose
I came up with an interesting fan theory about Darkrai. My theory is that he actually was human, before he traveled through a portal to a parallel dimension, where he turned into a Darkrai and became corrupted and insane by his own ambition to establish his own utopian world.
Does any of this sound familiar? Yep, you guessed it. My theory is that Darkrai is, in fact, Cyrus, the former boss of Team Galactic.
Ah Theorizer, you never fail to impress me. Your theory was amazing, straight to he point without the fillers other ahem youtube channels use *look intensifies*
Although I am troubled by something. All that spacetime travelling Darkrai did is a bit confus-
Oh no.
Um... I was going to challenge your theory but... Change of plans. I have a theory about Darkrai itself.
We all know that Darkrai can open spacetime portals... Right?
Dialga can open time passages.
Palkia can open space passages.
Darkrai is by no means more powerful than the two of them.
Only one Pokémon is...
Arceus.
Darkrai is Arceus.
Arceus never directly appears in-game, so we can assume he is all-present (one amongst the timelines). In your previous PMD video Theorizer, I argued that Arceus fled to the past as Igglybuff. What if he did not escape though? What if he got trapped in the same spiky area Grovyle is in SE5 where Dusknoir would enter his body? What if Arceus got captured and a minion of Primal Dialga got control of him?
Arceus, now transformed into Darkrai (which allows him to go unnoticed and blend in), goes in the past, removes the time gears, and the game plot starts. After the player restores time, the spirit of the evil minion perishes along with the rest of the future. Arceus, dazzled but still in control, restores the future as a thanks to the player, BUT the minion regains control of him. Now seeking revenge for his lost home, he goes to tear up space, this time to destroy everything, both the present, the future AND mainly, the protagonist. The person who killed everything he called home. Even more corrupted, the post game plot happens, until Palkia Death Star's Arceus. Since Arceus is indestructuble, only the minion's spirit is erased and Arceus gains control again.
This explains the powers of Darkrai, the existance of that stupid civilian (hate that guy sorry) and the absence of Arceus.
Possible? Probably not, but was fun to mess around with.
EDIT: Further proof of this is the description of the Space Globe, the item acquired after reaching the 99th floor of Destiny Tower and encountering the statue of Arceus.
"The ultimate globe, it holds the power to pass through space and time itself."
Wow. Mind Blown
I want to call utter be, but...you do have a point. Why would darkrai be able too use the combined power of palkia and dialga? The only pokemon I would ever expect to be able to do such a thing would be arceus
Except he still ignored it could be the same Darkrai. Especially since in outside lore Darkrai IS unique.
3.14 Dragon 3.14 Dragon If you mean the dungeon recruitable Darkrai, it would be very odd for a dungeon crawler to suddenly go hay-wire and want to destroy the universe. Also if we are to consider that you need a Secret Slab to obtain him and other legendaries, he could very well be irrelevant to the main storyline.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? What's Arceus fleeing from?
I personally love the idea that you’re Darkrai. A perfect twist for a game about time travel and transformation.
Personally I find it really creepy and it kinda takes the fun away from me.
I like this theory a lot! It covers pretty much everything I was wondering about in the games! Thank you for making this! ^^
I like the theory
Also I was disappointed with the music in the Darkrai fight in the final battle
The Dialga music sets a high standard
Blazeh it doesn't help that the music in the dialogue was great (it's the music he uses first)
Who said anything about Dialogue, I was talking about DIALGA
Blazeh I know but I was talking about Darkrai
Metal Madness Yeah
This has scared me on so many levels.
So Paradox?
Aurami full circle.
This entire game is a paradox.
You can't make a game about time travel AND give a shit about logic and physic laws at the same time.
You really got to expect that stuff when you throw time travel into your narrative it gets really trippy and confusing
Florian Meier hahahaha that's true
I just bloody played that game, like after 2 Years of having it finished. What are the odds.
Brix Zigelstein I beat the game after being stuck on Primal Dialga for 2 years XD
Brix Zigelstein there's end game plus content, legendarys and dungeons and junk
That's an interesting view!
This theory is so Goddamn trippy...I LOVE IT
I played so much of this game I remember everything about it. But this...I never thought of that!
I guess that would explain why the Chronos Perception ability is supposed to only work on Time Gear-related things. Darkrai's drive to get the Time Gears and ruin time translates into that ability, somehow
After playing PMD, I never saw Darkrai the same way again.
I know I'm seriously late but I really liked this theory. It kinda helps fixes some problems I have with this game. Mainly, why were Dusknoir, Celebi, Grovyle, and everyone else from the future able to come back almost immediately but the player had to wait months? Why didn't Darkrai attack when the player was gone? It would've been easier to make the future dark again when the player was gone. The partner probably wouldn't have had enough motivation to take the challenge alone. I think it's possible both of them were denied existing because they were still connected in a small way, or since they were both the same thing at some point it could have dangerous to bring the player back cause Darkrai would be there too. Darkrai would go back to causing chaos all over again. I think what happened was Dailga saw how much the player meant to the partner and that there was truly a change. Even if the player was brought back, the dou could face Darkrai. I also like how this theory gives Darkrai more to his character. To me, it felt like he was just a cliché villian, but Darkrai actually learns and ends up saving the future. That's just what I think though.
First things First My english sucks sry
I still think that the Darkrai we can recruit is the former Evil one because i played the German version (cause im from germany). Wen you talk to him at the Panther Coffee he stated that he feels Darkness inside of him (and even if Darkrai is a Dark type Pokemon it still doesn't mean that he has Darkness inside of him) a normal Darkrai is not even evil they just protect their territory and oure darkrai is not at fiding spots. but what really convinced me is the fact that the last Iq Power (don't know how they are called in other versions sry) that Darkrai can unlock is called Zeitreisender (which basically means TIme traveler) and time travel is not one of Darkrai basic features.
And even if Pokemons Like Hypno arent rare you onley meet one Palkia, one Dialga, one Manaphy, One Selfe Torbuts and Vesprit and so one (sry i know they have other names in The English version)
Also Most of the legendary Pokemon that you're able to meet with the Mystery part are at Finding location and only Three of them (Darkrai not incloudet)are at Multiple Spots witch are Mewtwo who is searching for opponents and Latios and Latias who never had a real location type( like Moltres at a Volcano or Kyogre at the bottom of the Sea) in the Games and are Known to be travelers.
And Darkrai is At many Points that were Significant to the story in My opinion it was similar to the Hero Visions of the past and tries to remember. When Darkrai Joins you he also Acts similar to the Hero he Knows something's not right but still tries not to worry you too much and Acts like he's Hyped up for Adventures secretly hoping to find out more about himself.
Youst a little Extra here I think he dosent try to get the partner on his side cause he would use you to get rid of the partner and than kill you afterwerds.
still like your theory it's one of the kind: i would love it when it would be true but i don't believe it is.
Simple. He went to the anime universe. And then the Darkrai movie happened.
YES A THEORY ON MY FAVOURITE GAME
Interesting... I hope in a similar story and lore with the PMD of seventh generation, with UB and parallel universes, there can be many possibilities for a very good story...
idk if the creators of the hack for explorers of spirit stemmed from this video but regardless if it did, ty for making this
So a redemption tale. Very interesting.
Please do more theories for this game! It's my favorite too!
As for this theory... wow, I'm really confused. I think I'm going to lie down for a while...
So basically Darkrai is trapped in a loop d loop, ultimate punishment for fucking with space time
To be honest when I played it I never thought about it...
I always thought that darkrai was also the player (the reason why I used a cheat machine to new game as darkrai) made the whole story more fun
What a cool concept, I really enjoyed the video! I am confused with the talk of "Darkrai #1 and #2" though. I just figured with this theory that Darkrai does all his evil plotting, gets banished by Palkia, and transforms into the human form of the player. So essentially, Darkrai transformed his future self into a Pokémon, and his future self assists in turning his past self into a human.
All of this weird entanglement ends with the player living a happy life with the partner at the end of the game :)
I just watched that scene in my own play through with darkrai asking for them to join and he did say he wanted the partner as well as a band of three
That theory was incredibile , i had always thought something was wrong in that wonderful game , but i couldn even imagine something like this . Keep it up with it bro
I think its so cool that people are still discussing such a phenomonal game, i got it for my 11 th birthday and at the time it was just a cheap gift from my friends mom cause she couldnt afford to spend huge money on platinum, so i checked out the game and holy shit was i into it, it was my first rpg so it was like the final fantasy for me, i always stuggled to find others who enjoyed such a great game but the fact you’re still talking about it in our modern age is cool, i hope you make more of these you have my sub
I like this- it's not just giving Darkrai a punishment but also giving him a chance at redemption by fixing his own mistakes
Here's my two cents regarding Cresselia: I think she could be ANOTHER Darkrai, one that turned into a Cresselia and was sent to the future, seeing as she and Darkrai are basically opposites in terms of lore and also the fact that Darkrai is the reason for the dark future she's in, Cresselia took it upon herself to take down Darkrai for good
Will you do a theory on Pokèmon Super Mystery Dungeon?
Skullpent The Great Guy
Ali: Yeah I still have the game
Makes perfect sense to me. IDK why others have trouble understanding this.
I think this is one of those theories where I have to make a bunch of points to completely understand it.
This.....theory is crazy.
you just made me like my favourite Pokemon game even more
5minutes and later:
I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS PARADOX!
ITS HERE!!! ITS FINALLY HERE! My prayers have been answered thank you so much :D
What if instead of being reborn as a fully grown adult, Darkrai was reborn as a baby and eventually becomes the player character in the future. That's more reasonable than being brought back as a fully grown human with the memory of Darkrai as his/her own name. The player name was given when the player was born by the player's parents.
But who are the parents? Were there any other humans besides the player in the future?
Super mystery dungeon picks up on darkrais story and he doesn't remember his bad deeds all he knows is his name
Summed up. You are Darkrai. Palkia, arceus, and darkrai at some point were the 3 that knew it.
It always did confused me when we were dragged to the future and there were no other humans.
"so are you darkrai?...."
Me: oh shit!
My mind has been blown. This would be a paradox, which was a problem I had at first, but then I remembered that the entire GAME is pretty much a paradox when it comes to the timeline. But yeah, good job!
Omg I got an idea, what if he turned into wigglytuff. That’s why he had such power and nobody could quite understand it
That actually makes more sense to me xD. It also sort of explains Wigglytuffs wacky personality (literal brain damage)
This is one of my fav games of all time, thanks for covering it
My god. Impressive theory. Not possible to be canon but fun to listen and learn
This theory is amazing, i don''t think is could be true because the darkray that we can recruit tells us that the can't remember anything, but i don't care, me the protagonist is actually the evil antagonist?? Absolutly love this
3:13 *SHIT* that just fucked up my whole life what even do I believe anymore
Could you please check if it's anything deeper with Rango?
This is the only theory I have ever heard on how we are transformed into a pokemon simply by time-traveling going wrong. It didn't, because you do land in the past, but there is no logic in how you changed into a different species, unless something similar would happen to when Darkrai's dimensional travel was interrupted by the coolest version-exclusive pokemon in the 4th generation. Similar to mGengar being Gardevoir's former human companion in Red/Blue Rescue Team, this Darkrai-turned-human-turned-a-different-pokemon is kind of mind-blowing to me and ridiculously interesting.
That’s all in one big time loop. WOW!
After so long... I've finally buckled down and defeated Darkrai. Finally, I can watch this video.
5:55 in art class i once had to draw an utopia mirroring a dystopia... i drew stranger things 's normal world facing silent hill!
has nothing to do with the theory but this frame just reminded me of it...
Cresselia: do you trust me? Player: *with every reviver seed of my body*
Darkrai=guzma
i have played through it multiple times...wondered what happend out of darkrai...and now this theory gives me goosebumbs xD
Man this feels like a Zamasu Paradox
Ok. There is a big logic problem in one of the points you bring up. I'm talking about Darkrai being from the future.
When you really think about it, it is 100% impossible for Darkrai to be from the future and I will explain why.
We all know that Darkrai was behind the trouble with Temporal Tower. However, if Darkrai was from the future It would have completely changed major plot points from the story. Because Darkrai would be from the future, if he succeeded in his quest to destroy the Temporal Tower of the past, he would have altered the fate of the future. Therefore the planet's paralysis would actually cause the pokemon of the future to disappear which is the exact inverse to what the plot was. And therefore the player could not disappear if he saved temporal tower since that would have been the original fate, to begin with.
It is simply therefore impossible for Darkrai to be from the future. Also I am pretty sure if Darkrai can see the past and the future, then he can know when you and Grovyle are coming from the future. So that doesn't prove that Darkrai is from the future. I hope I didn't jumble much. If anyone has any refutation to this, feel free to reply.
Fun theory which works as a loop. the only issue is that how things start with the loop. him becomming a human is afteral after he blasted you becomming a pokemon. so the starting if the loop isn't posseble
Wow that you are Darkrai theory is one hell of a paradox. I love it!!!
Well made. Cresselia, you may have joined my team. But you are never going on missions with me, ever again.
Um... okay. I've never seen any of your videos before, and *wow*, that was what I call intense! I never really thought about it that way before. I'd pondered it once or twice, but never to that extent. The speed made me get lost here and there, but I got the message and found my way again by the end. Now to watch your other PMD videos!
7:16 "Meanwhile the darkrai no. 1 ...You"
Shows the partner
Bidoof wished for the entire plot of this game, he basically brought you to this world.
3 years later, I still love that theory and waiting for more
I always liked to imagine Darkrai ended up as they are in Alamos Town where they discovered friendship and love from Alice and vowed to protect the place
I think Darkrai is Dusknoir.
Because :
- Their battle theme is the same
- They want the same thing :
To paralyse the planet (Darkrai to create his World of Darkness and Dusknoir for his loyalty toward Dialga Primal Who has been controled by Darkrai. Furthermore, we don't know why Dusknoir want to serve Dialga except his primal instinct to plunge the world in the Darkness)
- Both can use Space-time portals and have grunts
Dusknoir doesn't want the planet paralyse. He just wants to prevent you from stopping the planet paralyse, cause he doesn't want to dissappear.
He even get's a change of heart and helps fight Dialga in the future in the last Special Episode in PMD Sky.
Wait, Darkrai isn't actually from the future. From what I understood it was him who sabotaged the Time Tower and created that Time Gears around the world system and convinced everybody that Time Gears should never be moved from their places while actually this would eventually make the Time Tower collapse. In order to even have some Legendary Pokémon to protect the Time Gears he must have done his sabotage very long in the past.
So Darkrai was a Pokémon from our present, where the time flows, but somehow survives the time stopping, probably because of his abilities.
This means that during the story there was always at least one Darkrai in our timeline and when he turns back from the future there are two. If the protagonist is Darkrai too that makes it three.
So what is the Darkrai who never travelled in time doing during the story, and especially after the story? That one Darkrai is not from the future, never fighted or even encoutered us and never saw the Planet's Paralysis. But it was him who sabotaged the Time Tower long time ago, so the Planet's Paralysis was already his intent.
Since he is not from the future he was not the one who we beat at the Dark Crater and who got hit by Palkia while escaping. He just saw his plan fail but he's still around and can move freely in this world with all his memory, all his power and his evil intent. And we are famous for having saved the world so he probably knows us, even though he never met us. What is he doing or what will he do?
10:00 yes whenever i see a cresselia i always have flashback of blackc rate it even went soo far that trough the enitre run she ate all my reviver seeds and i had a ton of those farmed out
1:49 last iq skill time tripper, continuously says he lost his memory
You don't even know how happy I am that you brought up losing in dark crater because of Cresselia a million times XD
I subbed since we share the same love for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Haven’t really seen anybody else express the same feeling
And Also to everyone in the comments (once again I don't wanna be bashful) But you all practically state that this is amongst your favorite game. And that you agree with this theory or that you have your theory. Someone said that Darkria is Selfish and things like that. One thing is...he actually isn't. Look at it from his angle in the movie He saved the world from Polkia and Dialgia. And in the game (here is another theory for everyone) What IF Darkria never died in the Movie? And this is him in the future wanting to create a perfect world so conflicts or the battle he went through to stop Polkia and Dialgia to never happen again? And along this path to create a better world for everyone Humans died out, and He started to get corrupted by grief? He saved the Humans who saved him and with they're inedible extinction he can no longer be comforted by the humans wether its by his backstory with the little girl he had a connection with or it was the soft music he loved to listen to...So maybe along the road he got depressed and whip lashed to Anger or like a controlling like function? He never meant for this to happen he just got blinded...Darkria Had good intentions but he soon fell to grief and Anguish...
Rip my brain
If you keep track of Loops that just loop infinitely there is no hurting anymore. It is basically a one way road, circling itself once.
Let me boil it down:
Darkrai destroyes world. Suddenly a human appears. Human gets shattered through time and turns pokemon and lands in the past. Former human succesfully prevents dark future. Darkrai goes back in time as well, wondering why being shattered through time turns one into a pokemon. Darkrai realizes that a pokemon would turn human when being shattered through time and then tries to persuade you, due to him realizing, that this pokemon used to be a pokemon before and maybe even a failed other darkrai. Persuasion fails, quick escape and Darkrai notices, that was not a version of himself that failed, but the very himself that he is (that is the most complicated part, no 2 Darkrais as Darkrai thought, just one). Shatter, human in the dark future. Human goes back in time, looses memories again, turns pokemon, saves future, confronts Darkrai and Darkrai gets shattered through time. Pokemon cares little of what happened to Darkrai and lives in the Utopia. And that is the story of your protagonist.
LOOK AT THE OTHER THEORIES THERE'S MORE SHIT THAT MESSES WITH YOUR BRAIN
Blazeh I no right
The theory is bad
Before watching the full video: what if Darkrai became your partner?!
After watching the video: HOLY FUCK, WHAAAAAAAAAT?
Awesome and Amazing Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Theory, Theorizer! Your Theories are the best! I love your Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky Review and your Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Timeline Conspiracy Theory! You should do more Pokemon Theories and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Theories!
This theory that the player might actually be a future version of Darkrai completely blew my mind!
holy frick my brain is fried
I LOVE your theories!!!! This is insane! But just sane enough to actually make sense :0000