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The german planning of the „battle of the bulge“ immediately began after „Market Garden“ failed as Gerd von Rundstedt recognized the weakness of the allies when they had no superior amount of aircrafts
I talked to a guy who lives in my building who went to the same university as me, 50 years earlier. (When tuition was $50 a semester!) I found out that he is a veteran of Market Garden. He served in the Canadian air force and dropped supplies during the battle. "It was a disaster. That was Montgomery." "The flak was so thick you could walk on it." A plane next to his was carrying mines. It was hit by flak and exploded. There were eight men onboard. "I was friends with all those guys. That's life." EDIT: RIP Ken Walker, 1923-2018.
Thats tough. Damn. Some guys see the worse and have to live with it. Yet, you have snowflakes crying about everything these days. We got it easy people!!!!!
You could add how the British and Americans treated general Sosabowski. They blamed him and his brigade for the failure of this operation and forced him to give up his brigade to a British officer. Furthermore, general Sosabowski worked as a storekeeper after the war and his Polish coworkers saluted him everyday.
Yeah the Polish were really mistreated for how much they actually did. I think in around 2005/2006 the Dutch finally acknowledged and gave them the Bronze Lion and Military order of William.
Cuz Brits are to proud of themselves. Montecasino? Nah, without Brits they would of never won (The allies couldnt take It for 6 months against the German elite infantry And Polish troops literally took It in 2 attacks, ffs Poles even had a bear fighting with them carrying artillery rounds called Wojtek, research It, its An amazing story). Battle of Britain? No, only the Brits saved Britain, the other pilots were just a bit of help. (Polish 303 squadron in the Battle of Britain literally is one of the squads with most Air kills confirmed Up to today if not the most) Yes, every failure in the allies Campaings were because of Poles, because Brits are to proud to see themselves loosing. Next time, dont expect the Polish division to go through a storm wich would of have ended worse than the failure of Montogomery's stupid plan: Uhhhmmm, lets put light infantry with no AT weapons against German heavy fortified cities And tanks And make the americans go literally through one heavily fortified Highway, I think we can win. I honestly believe they banned the Polish officer but didnt bann Montgomery for hes fucking stupid plan, good thing Patton was in control after this Shitshow, ar least he knew what he was fucking doing.
@KKK Revolution At the end he got the results And that is what matters, im sure that against the Germans, those high casualties would of appeareared with anynother general. Its like D-Day, doesnt matter Who was in Charge, many people would still die there, And the Germans had many fortified positions
I just can't hold myself from writing this. What is kind of a fun fact is that as mentioned in video Montgomery blamed Polish brigade led by Stanisław Sosabowski for not arriving fast enough, but Sosabowski was one of the few man against the whole operation from the beginning. He did come back alive but never earned anything for his deeds
At 4/OCT Montgomery praised Sosabowski and his paratroopers, thanking him for saving retreat of British units, but something occurred in high command of British Army, since at 14/OCT Montgomery accused Poles of sabotage, cowardice, lack of discipline, lack of fighting spirit - similar to what Browning wrote. Oh, and Browning was the one who after receiving from Maj. Urquhart aerial photos, put Urquhart in hospital for few days with allegedly paranoia caused by overworking.
My mate's Grandad fought at Arnhem and said the Poles were the bravest he ever had seen. Monty was a prick for many reasons in this operation, and trying to Sosabowski is utterly shameful
@@squatchhammer7215 Except it was mostly planned by Americans like Brereton and Williams of the USAAF. Rick Atkinson THE WAR IN WESTERN EUROPE 1944-1945 1. AGAINST THE WEST WALL A Market and A Garden _”General Brereton’s troop carrier commanders had insisted that only a single mission fly on Sunday; a second sortie would ostensibly exhaust air and ground crews and leave insufficient time to service and reload the planes (although double missions over the same distance had been flown from Italy in Dragoon the previous month). Pleas by airborne commanders and by an emissary from Montgomery to Brereton’s headquarters failed to reverse the decision.”_ And on the failure to capture the Som bridge intact: _”Montgomery’s proposal was for the US 101st Airborne to be strung out like a kite string over a 30 mile stretch. Major General Maxwell Taylor, the commander of US 101st Airborne, protested against such an extreme dispersion of his division. Brereton took the matter up with Montgomery,who agreed to let the matter be settled by direct discussion Taylor and General Miles Dempsey, the commander of British Second Army. They may at Montgomery’s headquarters on September 12th.”_ -Market Garden Then and Now by Karel Margry Monty didn’t have any jurisdiction over the air forces. He cannot give them orders.
You know what really eats at me when I watch videos like these? The Discovery Channel used to show a lot of really good historical documentaries done very much in this style, except using unrelated stock footage under the narration, rather than using animated backgrounds. Most of what I know about WW2 and a few other conflicts throughout history comes from those show. And yet these days when I tune into the Discovery Channel, it's all Reality Shows. Buying storage lockers, fixing cars and whatever else. What you've created is exactly what I wish television were like these days.
I miss the days of my childhood when discovery and history channel were awesome, like an audio-visual library full of knowledge. Now they're 100% disappointment. Even Mythbusters are gone.
I'm 47 and there weren't any shortage of good documentaries to watch. I remember the day when history and discovery channels were good. It sucks cuz my kid doesn't know half of what I knew when I was his age. I try to teach him but the documentaries really helped me when I was a kid. Don't even get me started on school, they don't even teach the basics. D-Day, Pearl Harbor, etc...
My grandpa lived in Son when the paratroopers dropped. He was about 13 years old and his children's perspective on those days were quite interesting. He explained how he snuck out with his friends to go find dead Germans, to steal their grenades off their bodies. Weeks later, when the fighting was done, they used those grenades to fish in the canal. He remembered it as an exciting time.
My father had the good Idea to take my 10 year old self to the 50 years anniversary Celebrations of the battle. What a great day that was! We watched columns of Shermans; British, American and Dutch Resistance Veterans parading the streets of Arnhem and we even saw some live paratroopers drops and visited the famous Hotel which is now a Museum. It took me a couple of more years more to figure out why he urged me to keep my German voice down!
My grandad was in the South Staffordshire Regiment (part of the gliderbourne force the 1st Airlanding Brigade) during Market Garden. He ended up being a POW after the failure of the operation and spent the rest of the war at Stalag VIIIC in occupied Poland. He didn’t really talk about it. He would be 97 in June.
He likely faced pretty rough treatment and forced labor. Most of the accounts of 1st Para Division talk about them being used as agricultural labor and it being very tough. Think chain gang type conditions. I'm sure it was not something he wanted to revisit. Your grandad was a hero. This year will mark 75 years since that fateful drop.
Most of the men could talk about it. One of men I knew (died 95 years old) was a captured by the Japanese and was a POW. He would not talk about the horrific things he witnessed there; until he was near his death he was unintentionally letting out things about the war. Calling out names ect. Poor Guy...such a gent.
My grandad was a 16 year old belgian scout during the raid and had to light flares on the ground, his freind was a german and during the battle his freind was shot, would talk about just siting in the swarm of bullets holding him. He was put in a pow camp latter but escaped.
My partner's grandad was dropped with the 1st paras and captured on day 2. He didn't talk about it either and we found his pow record online. He was at both Stalag 12A and Stalag 344 (which I think is part of Stalag VIIIC).
German paratroopers were more OP than they are in Hoi4. They dropped 78 paratroopers (without commander) on that one belguim lvl 10 fort, while around 1200 belguim soldiers were stationed at that fort. They damaged it to lvl 2 and took it in a day. Now, is that not OP if Hoi4 allowed that? They had planning bonus though.
If I remember correctly them going ahead on d day was more of a gamble that the weather would be clear by the time they needed to consolidate and launch the amphibious assault.
I’ll also add, back in 2000, I was treating a patient in my local A&E as a junior doctor. The patient told me about his experience at Arnhem and that “Monty was a bloody butcher”.
As a Dutchman living in the city of Arnhem, I am happy to see a video being made about it. This year it will have been 75 years ago. Despite the failure of the mission, the British and Polish, at least here in Arnhem, are remembered and commemorated as heroes.
Officially British (in reports after Market Garden) say Polish paratroopers were ill prepared cowards not helping in this operation, causing all this delay and limiting success of whole operation. (This is official report after 2 weeks of operation ending - earlier British, Montgomery praised Polish paratroopers for courage and fighting spirit)
@@kilijanek Of course the Brits (The Higher-Ups, not generalizing on the British people, here) wanted to shift the blame to an ally they would soon abandon. The Polish Parachute Brigade basically saved the British 1st para at Arnhem from being completely rekt.... once the logistics and weather finally let them drop into a battle already lost.
@@kilijanek Cuz Brits are to proud of themselves. Montecasino? Nah, without Brits they would of never won (The allies couldnt take It for 6 months against the German elite infantry And Polish troops literally took It in 2 attacks, ffs Poles even had a bear fighting with them carrying artillery rounds called Wojtek, research It, its An amazing story). Battle of Britain? No, only the Brits saved Britain, the other pilots were just a bit of help. (Polish 303 squadron in the Battle of Britain literally is one of the squads with most Air kills confirmed Up to today if not the most) Yes, every failure in the allies Campaings were because of Poles, because Brits are to proud to see themselves loosing. Next time, dont expect the Polish division to go through a storm wich would of have ended worse than the failure of Montogomery's stupid plan: Uhhhmmm, lets put light infantry with no AT weapons against German heavy fortified cities And tanks And make the americans go literally through one heavily fortified Highway, I think we can win. I honestly believe they banned the Polish officer but didnt bann Montgomery for hes fucking stupid plan, good thing Patton was in control after this Shitshow, ar least he knew what he was fucking doing.
@@basementkidd6818 I know history of my own country pretty well :) I don't need to research. After Monte Cassino there was heavy battle for Loreto and Ankona. Polish units almost instantly after Monte Cassino took part in it and suffered heavy losses - some units were destroyed. It was fiercest battle on Italian peninsula.
@@kilijanek And what about It? Does that deny the great work of Poles during MonteCasino, no. Montgomery was a great general in the africano campaigns... But fucked Up in stuff like market Garden. Just because they suffered heavy losses, doesnt deny the fact that they fought outstandingly in Montecasino. And when I said do some research on It, I ment on Wojtek the bear not Montecasino. There are still many times were the Poles did an outstanding job in the Battle of Britain And in breaking the Enigma Code. So what exactly is your point? Are you trying to deny these Facts by saying Polish troops also Lost a lot of men during battles or Lost battles?
My mother had a brother killed at Arnhem he was a paratrooper in the1st battalion the border regiment killed in action on the20th of September. REST IN PEACE uncle Bill .
I always say, those are the real heroes, the ones Who fought And died so others could see the end of the war or at least try And Risk their own Life to do It. Im sure he was a great man And soldier.
Well to be fair to monty the idea was his but he had very little to do with it beyond that. Another thing to remember is that Eisenhower agreed to the plan so I think Ike is as much to blame as monty. But I think the main blame should go to Browning as well as Gavin for not immediately prioritising Nijmegen bridge.
Another reason Market Garden failed is we simply underestimated the strength of the remaining German Army in 1944. The Allies assumed the German Army was all but defeated but they still had a lot of fight left in them.
@@papafrancesco2937 That's not even remotely true. There were entire Russian divisions that fought for Hitler. The Soviet Union killed 20,000,000 of their own population and openly advocated the rape of Germans to defile them. Hitler had no choice but to invade. Why do you think the allies only declared war on Germany when both Russia and Germany invaded Poland? Then Patton had said we defeated the wrong enemy, said he was going to blow it up when he got back to the states surviving the most brutal war in human history only to be mysteriously killed by a U.S. Army truck.
@@papafrancesco2937 Bro. The bombings. Okay, they had a strategic value and germany started it. But the murders and rapes after the war cannot be justified and are just that. Murder. U cannot take revenge at a country by randomly killing their population without knowing what the exact person you are killing/raping did.
Story goes that after the operation General Browning claimed he said that prior to it he had said "we can hold Arnhem bridge for 4 days but I think we may be going a bridge too far". Cornelius Ryan picked up on that and used it for the title of his 1973 book
Bullcrap. Market Garden was a colossal failure. It failed to achieved its major objective, saw the utter destruction of the British airborne division, and saw the British shamefully putting all of the blame onto the Polish Free Forces. If there was any one good thing that came out of this, it was Eisenhower telling himself and his staff to never again allow any sort of plans or ideas that came out of Monty's mouth and head.
@John Cornell the goal of MG was to penetrate the German line and open a path into Germany. Did it happen? No? Mission failure. That's like arguing "I won 90% of the football game." The time, men, and supplies lost on this battle might have been put to better use elsewhere.
@John Cornell Regarding the blame shifting. That is specifically what happened, American and British command turned Sosabowski into a scapegoat for the operation, stripped him off his rank and basically ruined the man's entire career. All to hide their own mistakes. For them he was a perfect target since he wasn't "their" man and was among the people that weren't afraid to bring up issues with Market Garden. That was especially convenient for Browning since he could use that to cover his and Gavin's ass, the two people that arguably fricked up the most during the whole action.
My understanding is that the radio operator said that and that the officer referred to was already dead. Also - it was only the Germans that heard that. .
Allison Digby Tatham-Warter the umberella and bowler hat officer. Survived the battle and made it across to allied lines. The last message was spoken by an unknown radio operator and indeed only picked up by the Germans.
Mad Respect to the Poles, who at every stage in this war demonstrated incredible bravery even when they got alternatively blamed/abandoned/screwed by the British commanders.
@@stas2784 Look up for what? A propaganda? No, thank you. Jews were murdered by Germans. Any way to put blame for that on anyone else is plain disgusting.
@@Losangelesharvey There were traitors who collaborated with Germans, but they weren't killing Jews during war. Censorship? On which info? Give me example.
Market Garden is pretty much a textbook example of Friction in War: "Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War, Suppose now a traveller, who towards evening expects to accomplish the two stages at the end of his day’s journey, four or five leagues, with post-horses, on the high road - it is nothing. He arrives now at the last station but one, finds no horses, or very bad ones; then a hilly country, bad roads; it is a dark night, and he is glad when, after a great deal of trouble, he reaches the next station, and finds there some miserable accommodation. So in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark. (...) " - Clausewitz, On War, Ch 7 It does not really help here that the mission was in its conception High Risk- High Reward, to finish the war before the Red Army arrives.
If the issue was the red army why not force Japan to attack Russia by kidnapping the emperor and having him declare such actions under duress then move to crush soviet industry north of china by supplying Mao
@Son Gohan The problem is that the Allies had decided in advance who would take what. The United States gave the Soviet large areas they took in the Soviet zone. If they had taken Berlin, they would have just given it to the Soviet Union. They should never have helped the Soviet from the beginning. A non-assault pact would have been sufficient.
My grandfather was an American glider pilot in this operation. He landed at night in a hail of bullets. The Germans were waiting for them. All of his paratroopers were killed. He was seriously wounded defending the crash site and was captured. Gramps lived to be 83 with one lung and one kidney :)
Allied high command: So guys, we need to end this war by Christmas. Any ideas? Bernard Montgomery: LeTs DrIvE ThE EnTiRe ArMy DoWn A sInGlE lAnE hIgHwAy.
There was only one corps, XXX Corps. Eisenhower would not given adequate resources to the operation. But XXX Corps never put a foot wrong. The failure was Gavin of the US 82nd at Nijmegen not seizing the bridge immediately.
@2Polev - You joke, but as as far as an untested strategy with limited support options along a single path of advance on unfavorable terrain against a prepared enemy force goes - Market Garden was EXTREMELY successful. And, frankly, the commanders of the British 2nd battalion had to have been smart enough to realize that their entire purpose as the forward-most unit was NOT simply to hold the bridges but to stall any German *reinforcements* as long as possible. Getting dropped well outside radio range was *definitely* a hint. And as long as the Allies were willing to accept the 1st Airborne Division being destroyed in detail, the Germans would indeed be forced to draw resources away from the rest of the front and then advance down the same one-lane highway *WITHOUT* the help of paratroopers if they wanted those towns back. Had I to to the whole thing over again, I would have abandoned the airhead north of Arnem after the initial landing and doubled-down on the 82nd's airhead as a supply base. But other than that (and maybe a few dummy supply landings to the North), there's practically nothing Ol' Monty could have done better.
I spent 3 years as an Army paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division. Every May at Ft. Bragg, we celebrate All-American week when former division paratroopers return similar to a homecoming. Back in the 80's there were still many WW2 airborne vets alive and most of them had jumped and fought in Holland (not to mention North Africa, Sicily, Italy, Normandy, and Germany). The stories those old airborne vets shared kept us young paratroopers in awe. Airborne All the Way!
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This is one of your better videos yet! As a Polish viewer, I'm especially thankful and delighted to see gen. Sosabowski and his men get proper recognition. Their story is exceptionally tragic when you consider what was going on at the same time in Poland and what was their situation after the war. Sosabowski's own son fought and was seriously wounded in the Warsaw Uprising, partially losing his sight. General was unable to return the country controlled by communists, stripped from citizenship and receiving no pension normally due to a retired officer, he had to work as a factory worker. Not to mention that (at least according to the book _Poles Apart_ by George F. Cholewczynski) Monty tried to partially scapegoat Sossabowski for the failure of the operation.
There seems to be only two weather types in England, from what I've seen and experienced in my incredibly short stay there. "Terrible" and "even worse than terrible".
@@smiglo112 You either can't go outside because its raining, the roads are all waterlogged and the wind is unbareable or you can't go outside because its 90% humidity with no wind and the sweat is unbareable. No inbetween.
Where I live, we hold annual public paratrooper trainings. Which is also a memorial for market garden. (I live a bit west from Arnhem Close to Oosterbeek at one of the landing sites)
That's awesome! I'd love to be a part of that! I've never been to the Netherlands, but I was in Normandy during the 70th anniversary of D-Day, and as an American, I was brought to tears by the gratitude and remembrance of those who fought there exhibited by the locals. Despite everything that has happened since in the world and between nations, they honor those who gave their lives, right down to the youngest generation. The people were as beautiful as the land, and it was a wonderful and humbling experience.
@Troy Staunton That's awesome mate! Hope I don't sound pretentious but I worked daily for about two years with a buddy from Adelaide, and couldn't help but pick up some of his accent/phrases. I had the same kind of experiences, lovely people, but also had that in Germany. We had some awesome experiences in the hostel we were at in Berlin. And I got positive comments on my weak grasp of German. That may have just been politeness, but hey, I count it! :D
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My Father was a navigator during this. He rarely discussed this “Operation” when he returned back home in Minnesota after the war. RIP Richard J. Koplitz. 96 years old and miss him, but so proud of him. 😢
It's pretty insane to me that almost all these skirmishes and battles I can remember in the plethora of old school WWII games I used to play in the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty series. I'm m historian but I can totally match the history to the missions I played over a decade ago, and it actually helps me visualize the situations in a way that is very interesting
The Impression I got from reading The Last Battle by Cornelius Ryan is that Eisenhower absolutely hated Montgomery and believed he would lose the war for the allies if he was allowed to. He almost charged him with insubordination and called Winston Churchill about removing Montgomery from his command position.
The differences in command seemed to be that the Americans were all about a big dramatic push whereas the Brits were more cautious. At least this seems to be the reason for the friction Antony Beevor suggests in his book The Battle of Arnhem. Beevor suggests that Market Garden was Montgomery's attempt to play things the Americans' way, and it failed.
@@williamhiers1280 Actually in this situation it was inverted. Eisenhower called for caution, while Montgomery wanted to beat the Soviets to Berlin. When he was told no he went and tried anyway which could have got him or others encircled.
Lyndon you lump or are you John Cornell today? - ya sure specially when the British were evacuated from Norway,Netherlands, Belgium and France,Dunkirk in 1940 Greece, Crete,Hong Kong and Libya in 1941 Tobruk and Dieppe,Singapore in 1942 IKE was having monty removed when bernard BEGGED HIM in writing not to do so. Freddie even wrote up the apology for it. Have your handler at the home there read that to you it's in Freddie's book.IKE's book,Winston's book
There was blood upon the risers there were brains upon his shoot intestines were a dangling from his paratrooper suit he was a mess they picked him up and poured from his boots and he ain't gonna jump no more!
Now there is a good memory. I am a 3rd generation paratrooper, and had the honor to sing this with a collection of 101st Vietnam and 82nd/101st WWII at Benning several years ago. Not much really makes me tear up. but that sure did.
Great overview, I have wandered over that area of The Netherlands for over 10 years, both on my own and as a military history tourguide. A lot of myths arose about this battle, most self-serving, and sustained by some popular histories primarily Ryan's Bridge Too Far. The 1AB comms problems were not a surprise: the DZ/LZs were over three miles apart (I've walked it) which was greater than the effective range of the tactical radios of the time. Planners assumed they would be temporarily out of contact-since resistance was expected to be localized they accepted the risk. Speaking of DZ/LZs, the RAF's objection due to alleged AAA at Deelen should have and could've been overruled-Gen. Gale who had two combat jumps stated that Urquhart should have objected "to the point of threatening resignation" and also expected to be consulted by the planning staff-and wasn't. Even the "Bridge Too Far" statement alleged to come from Gen Browning is probably mythic; and may have originated from his novelist wife. NO ONE recalled such a statement during planning or execution; some of his staff said bluntly he wasn't that creative to have made any such observation. The lack of airlift could've been partially alleviated by giving 1AB absolute priority to get as much of the division on the ground and moving as possible. Instead, Browning's headquarters was planned to drop/land taking over 30 "trains" (glider tugs + para drops) where it had no operational role. Sadly, the most compelling impetus to rush planning and get this moving was the belief of the Brit Generals that the war would be over before they could get into combat, as 7 ops had been consecutively planned and cancelled.
Very good analysis. Browning had no business taking up precious flight space to be there. He should have stayed in England to kick asses back there and make sure schedules were being kept. I believe that rather than dropping all 3 Airborne Divisions on the same day that it should have been a rolling advance: Day 1 taking Eindhoven up to Grave Bridge, Day 2 Nijmegen, Day 3 Arnhem. That way all aircraft be used to drop each Division in a single lift. They should have also planned a contingent drop somewhere like Deventer if the Germans flooded into Arnhem. The plan also should have included securing an air feild somewhere near the American sector from which Typhoons and P-47s could provide constant close air support to the 1st AB sector.
@@Indylimburg Thank you for the kind words. Your drop plan would've been feasible and an alternate plan would be the one I outlined i.e. 1AB priority on Day 1. This would ensure they had troops and supplies to sustain themselves AND draw away some Wehrmacht and Waffen SS units stationed south, thus easing the way for 82/101/XXX Corps. Your contingency LZ/DZ suggestion reminds me of some heat I took on another forum where reviewing a Market-Garden wargame I called the planning (actual op, not the game which was excellent IMHO) "shoddy". Two of the factors I gave were not considering enemy reaction which is answered with your plan for alternate LZ/DZs. Additionally, completely ignoring COMINT from Enigma and Phantom that confirmed the 2SS Panzer Corps HQ and Division elements were in the Arnhem/Nijmegen area as early as 1 Sept IIRC.
@@grumblesa10 once again, good thoughts. The ignoring of crucial intelligence was inexcusable. Much is made of the fact that Gen Urquhart was out of communication for more than a day and that the Brittish radios didn't work. This wouldn't have been such a problem if someone had told them that the Dutch resistance had been communicating for years on a telephone network unknown to the Germans. Allied intelligence knew about it, but the paratroopers we never told. SMH.
@@Indylimburg the presence of 9th & 10th SS Panzer units was known and correctly deduced as being severely understrength (which they were!) This is the reason that 1st AB went in with their 6pdrs and 17pdrs as well as the PIATs. What was not appreciated fully was that the Germans had dispersed their rag-tag defence elements and that the blocking action of Spindler's units cannot be undersold! Browning should never have been in the field, as his presence not only deprived 1st AB of those 36 additional transports, etc, which would have allowed 4th Para to be dropped on day 1, but also his presence probably had a negative influence on Gavin's decision making, too. He may not have prioritised the Groesbeek Heights over the Nijmegen Bridge if Browning hadn't decided to put his HQ there.
Speaking of politics. Gavin's failure to press on the bridge at Nijmegen with strength as his overriding priority (as it certainly should have been) was the reason the operation failed; lots of areas here and there where it might have been done better but General Gavin's inexplicable reluctance to attack the bridge in force was the crux of it all. XXX Corps were not late reaching Nijmegen (as is often stated) but were then delayed. Political ? Gavin was not criticised enough afterwards certainly because he was American and contrastingly the British commanders were criticised heavily by the Americans. It is an even greater shame as we can be sure that the men under Gavin's command were very keen and capable.
Yes, this. Was Gavin ordered to leave the British exposed to German counter attacks. Discredit Montgomery. Makes sense strategically. US wanted full control over D-Day.
Ah of course. It's Americas fault. Americans wanted the British to fail because that's what Americans do. That last clip of Montgomery saying he's never lost a battle is such a typical brit thing to do.
@@thebigmon There was a lot of wartime American propaganda about British incompetence, to the extent a lot of Americans still believe it today. At the time Americans were annoyed about soldiers being sent to Europe instead of Japan, so the idea was Europe needed American saviours and the British were useless etc etc. Not saying Montgomery didn't make mistakes, he absolutely did. But to say America didn't exaggerate British failures is incorrect.
People sometimes mention that Gavin hurt his back during the jump over Nijmegen, but I suspect that he also must have hit his head quite hard upon landing, as otherwise he was a competent officer. Also, let's not forget that Browning was at Nijmegen too and approved Gavin's decision, even though his *one job* was to esnure that the Operation gets carried out according to plan.
One note about 9:06, the plans found only detailed the 101st's area of operations. It wasn't some magical Market Garden grand scheme document. Other than that, great video.
The 'sculpture' next to the road bridge (presumably supposed to be Frost) is bizarre. In google earth can still see some bullet marks/ shell explosions around the base of the bridge and the underpass. I think the place where there was a German pillbox on the bridge is now an alcove with a plaque and inscription in it. I walked across it in 1989 an in 2000 went to the Hartenstein museum.
~5:00 'South Stratfordshire' It's South Staffordshire. Stratford is a town, Staffordshire is a county. The names are easily confused, but as someone from Staffordshire, a bit disappointing to hear! However, thanks for the content, keep up the great work.
My step great grandad was in this battle and was shot 5 times and found by a Dutch girl in a field. He lived and was given a necklace by the girl and her mother and left for home. 40 years later he went back to the battle field he was shot and met the girl again. They had dinner and he died a few years later Rip great grandad you did well
Yes, but they are all imperfect, like all historical books which attempt to cover events of vast scale with thousands of participants from different units and nationalities with different objectives, experiences, and agendas. Add that to the fact that information from archival materials which were not available decades ago might have changed how those books were written.
Unfortunately, A Bridge Too Far was Cornelius Ryan's last book, and was rushed to publication unfinished, because he knew he had terminal cancer. Swedish historian Christer Bergström has updated his work in his two volume book, Arnhem 1944: An Epic Battle Revisited (2019, 2020) using unpublished documents and interviews in the Cornelius Ryan Collection held at Ohio State University.
@@Fenixx117 Beevor's book is good, but I think he comes to the wrong conclusion. I think you still need to get a copy of "Lost at Nijmegen" by the Dutch author Poullussen (I hope I spelt that correctly, but I think I may have got it wrong). It is a good read - it's only available in Kindle form now, unfortunately.
To anyone wondering about the war memoirs spoken of at the end of the video, "If You Survive" is indeed very good. George Wilson's good memory lets him describe what he experienced perfectly. Another good one is Troop Leader, about an allied tank platoon.
Even though I would place that movie with more of the older war films that I don't like. A Bridge Too Far was a great film and I wasn't thinking about the scenes when watching this video. Comparing the two, the movie did a pretty damn good job of covering most of the operation.
That is a great movie and one of my favorite WWII movies. Cornelius Ryan wrote the book it was based on as well as The Longest Day about the D Day Invasion. I think both the book and movie interviewed a lot of the battle's participants and tried to get it correct, at least as Hollywood goes.
My grandfather was a U.S Army Air Force radio operator involved with Market Garden. I love seeing everything he was involved in, no matter how small his role might have seemed in the grand scheme.
The main reason of defeat was Gavin and 82nd not being able to take Nijmegen bridge due to his order to commit to defending his starting position rather than pushing towards the bridge.
Gavin "was" ordered to take the bridge ASAP. Some of his men moved west towards the bridge, then hung around DePloeg leaving it too late. The delay gave the Germans time to pour men onto the bridge securing it, when at the time of the jump there were only 19 old men as guards on the bridge. The 82nd could have walked on the bridge (John Frost's words) if did not hang around DePloeg.
no he wasn't the Groesbeek Hgts as they were the drop zones.And the germans showed up with Armor APCs with mounted MG-42s and half tracks with mounted 20 mm AA guns. The same units that pinned down Frost and his men as the Paras were still on foot
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- funny guy - the 82nd never said that it was poulussen who was a photographer and decided to write a book on the battle.However Gavin and Browning did discuss the possibility as The Original battle of France the Blitz Krieg tore out of the Ardennes as it did 4 yrs later at the Battle of the Bulge - those woods were in Germany on the border
Gavin was not the reason for defeat, people out here acting like Nijmegen bridge was easy to take, they knew from the start that bridge will be hard to take especially given the fact that Germans had much more resistance and defenses ready than the Allies foolishly refused to believe. The Operation would be a huge success if they stopped at Nijmegen, but they really did go a bridge too far and that is why they failed. Going all the way to Arkhem was way too optimistic especially given the intel they had on German defenses, and they had to execute perfectly to have any chance with this overly optimistic plan and they did not execute even close to perfectly, so there was no chance at success, the warning signs were there, but the Allies decided to gamble and unfortunately for the Arkhem paratroopers, the Generals were making a bad gamble with their lives.
@@digbyfire5446 What about 18:23? No quote from Monty himself and you won't find any quote from Monty himself putting the blame on the Poles for the failure. In his own book in his own words he blamed. 1. Himself. 2. The Germans. 3. Lack of resources. 4. The weather. Now I will put £1,000 into any bank account of your choice if you can find Montgomery placing blame on the Poles for Market Garden not succeeding. Please, do not believe unsourced and incited myths. Cheers.
@@garymartin1040 Patton was never in the thick of any of the big battles and never fought top quality German formations. Monty did more than anyone to win the war in the west. Patton couldn't even take Metz for nearly three months. Monty planned entire invasions and commanded multiple armies of different nationalities at the same time. Patton didn't. Monty was an 'army group' commander. Patton never commanded more than one army at a time and even then only American. Monty was far higher up in power and more strategically savvy and successful.
Schmidty I believe that if all of the airborne could be dropped on day one, if the first airborne was dropped closer to Arnhem, and the 82nd secured Nijmegen on day one then it could have worked. I do not believe that the Allies could have advanced to Berlin if they won...
@@TheArmchairHistorian no, but I suspect that the REAL reason for the operation wasn't to take the short-road into Germany, but to take the waterways to the north-west, as the port of Antwerp wasn't able to be used as the Scheldt region hadn't yet been cleared by the Canadians.
@@sean640307 I think Monty's plan was to go north to the coast. Cut off and surround all German forces in Holland, open up Antwerp and force the V-2 launchers out of range of London. The real pity about the operation at Arnhem was the British did have plans to insert a pair of glider transportable RAF light early warning radar units into the LZ on the second day and they would have allowed forward air control to be carried out in the Arnhem area. The problem was two of the four Horsa's carrying the radar and comms equipment (which was spilt into transmitter equipment and aerials in two aircraft and receiver and comms equipment in the other two) didn't make it to the LZ and the other two had the same loadout and were destroyed by artillery fire before they could be unloaded. Had the combined RAF/USAAF team manning the two units been able to get one of the radar units operational, along with its radio comms, 1st AB could have got effective air support and the outcome of the battle could have been very different.
When I played Panzer Elite in COHI thought I was going to get mostly panzers and do B.S maneuvers like rushing tanks with infantry behind them, or spam Panzer 3s and 4s, and I greatly overestimated it and I got my ass kicked by A.I.
YES. For God's sake. It's not rocket science. Learn the name and practise before recording. How can he mess up Horrocks? At least he was able to pronounce Frost.
I live in Ede, it's right next to one of the dropzones of Operation Market Garden. De Ginkelse Heide. You can still find remainders of the trenches digged there and for a long time bullets were still found. Heck, one or two years ago, at the yearly remembrance of the Operation, were paratroopers jump out above the Ginkelese Heide, they had to hold the jumps for a bit cause a live grenade from WW2 was found and needed to be removed safely, imagine that, nearly 80 years after the operation, a grenade that was suppose to be used that day, was found and still formed a danger to those who jumped in remembrance, it has something beautiful. Sadly with each passing year we see less and less veterans, I think there is only one left, my town used to make sure they would be flown over to be here. The remembrance was as much for them as those who had fallen that day.
You gotta give it to the british Paras... They had some huuuuuge balls, fighting the way they did. I highly recommend the movie A Bridge Too Far. It's one of the best war movies of all time, with an all-star cast
Right after Private Ivor Rowberry's quote I was about to shed some tears, I was then interrupted by a brief advertisement with a stupid jingle and I really did start crying for a few seconds.
I know General Patton was pretty pissed they took his fuel for this Operation. This basically gave him a halt order until Market Garden was over and by then the Germans were able to prepare a defense. This operation was a bad idea from the start. Even if it was a success how useful would one road be that could be flanked and attacked anywhere along the road.
@@Wallyworld30 quite useful. Because in taking Arnhem, The allies can push around the line and also push north to the coast for ressuply thus making the threat of encirclement and being cut off less so as they can be resupplied much quicker navally. You see the supplies were being driven from far away in allied ports in France and also flown in and driven.
I must also add that if they did make it to the coast as a result of gaining these bridges and breaking through the German lines they would've been able to complete a massive massive encirclement of the German forces to the east that would have no way to be resupplied. Big reward but sadly not, a lot less would've died if a whole German army surrendered. That's the whole point behind it anyway, accelerating victory.
Antwerp was captured intact with it's 50 miles of docks. The priority should have been to clear the Scheldt Estuary so the port could be used. It was the only intact harbour captured and could have alleviated the supply problems for both 21st and 12th Army Groups, which were still receiving all supplies from Normandy. This whole battle shouldn't have taken place.
Operation Market Garden: A real life version of the Video game 'hey diddle diddle, dumb ass up the middle", or "YOLO up the middle"..... WHy trying to stuff an entire Corps up 1 road is a really bad idea.
My great-Uncle was at Arnheim. He and a small group got cornered by the river. They were completely encircled and the Germans kept up a constant pressure. He got shot by a sniper as he was swimming down the river, with the rest of his group, to escape the German troops closing in on his position. The bullet took off the back of one of his legs.
Your distortions are ludicrous postmortem to absolve the abrasive egomaniac Monty who in any other army would have been relieved. The XXX Corp armored advance was almost 2 days late. The British were in tanks - Shermans of course and the 82nd on foot and Monty didn't have the decency to show up for the largest air drop in history up until that point.Another triggered brit propping up the failed empire.
@@bigwoody4704Well yeah he is right. They were delayed for 14 hours because of the son bridge and then they rushed as fast they could to Nijmegen only to stop again because Nijmegen wasn’t taken costing another 36 hours . Do you deny all of this ? How can you say that didn’t play a part ? Still didn’t answer my questions
Except that XXX Corps eventually reach Nijmegen against all odds according to the schedule. It was Nijmegen which REALLY delayed them and made impossible to reach Frost on time. Listing several different reasons of the Operation's failure won't make it up. It was Gavin's mistake not to commit from the very get go sufficient forces to secure the Nijmegen bridge. He sent one (ONE!) company at 20:00 (8:00PM - for those who have no clue what 20:00 means), which was many hours after landing. GG And of course, the goal of the entire Operation Market Garden was completely different. Reaching Rhine and going to the Heart of The Reich (Ruhr Valley) was made up after war to make it more spectacular and better justify necessity of conducting the operation which spectacularly failed. That was a great plan, bold but feasible. Ruined by one man.
The primary objective of the operation was to cross the Dutch Rhine, the secondary objective was to cut off all German forces in the western Netherlands, including the 15.Armee west of Antwerp by terminating the advance on the Zuider Zee (Ijsselmeer coast), and the tertiary objective after 9 September was to cut the V-2 rocket supply lines to the suspected launch sites on the Dutch coast. The planned bridgeheads on the river Ijssel (the final distributary of the Rhine delat in the Netherlands) at Deventer, Zutphen, and Doesburg, were intended to be the launchpad for further operations into Germany once Antwerp had been opened. Eisenhower was planning for a pincer envelopment of the Ruhr by British 2nd Army from the Jssel bridgeheads in the north and the US 1st Army from Rhine bridgeheads yet to be gained between Bonn and Cologne in the south. This was not made up after the war to justify the operation, it was the original intention laid out in 21st Army Group (Montgomery) planning for MARKET GARDEN and meetings between Eisenhower and Montgomery before MARKET GARDEN for the Ruhr pincer.
The breakdown of Market and then Garden operations is really well told byRobin Neillands in The Battle For the Rhine. I have it in audiobook - exciting narrative. Get out your maps of the three cities the 5 divisions were to take in the unfolding Market-Garden catastrophe.
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This has been the hardest video for us to make! Let us know if you want longer videos from now on (12-15 minutes). If there is any misinformation or anything that needs clarification please let me know and I will add it to a corrections list.
Corrections:
1. Spelling error at 8:22, written "arugably" instead of "arguably."
2. At 7:46 we say that Jim is a Brigadier General, but he's wearing two stars on his uniform as a Major General in the portrait.
3. 12:45 Should have been 107th Panzer Brigade, not division.
4. Pronounced Staffordshire, not Stratfordshire.
Amazing episode, keep up the good work!
The german planning of the „battle of the bulge“ immediately began after „Market Garden“ failed as Gerd von Rundstedt recognized the weakness of the allies when they had no superior amount of aircrafts
Yes please
Another error, it’s Brian Horrocks not Herricks
Also at 5:08 you say Stratfordshire regiment, it’s Staffordshire
I talked to a guy who lives in my building who went to the same university as me, 50 years earlier. (When tuition was $50 a semester!) I found out that he is a veteran of Market Garden. He served in the Canadian air force and dropped supplies during the battle.
"It was a disaster. That was Montgomery."
"The flak was so thick you could walk on it."
A plane next to his was carrying mines. It was hit by flak and exploded. There were eight men onboard. "I was friends with all those guys. That's life."
EDIT: RIP Ken Walker, 1923-2018.
Thats tough. Damn. Some guys see the worse and have to live with it. Yet, you have snowflakes crying about everything these days. We got it easy people!!!!!
@@brawlingbrandon And here you are crying about snowflakes
@@brawlingbrandon Teach me how to cry about snowflakes? Naw, you doing enough of that for everyone in the comments.
Blame Americans. They planned the operation.
@@johnburns4017 Except, Montgomery planned it, huh.
You could add how the British and Americans treated general Sosabowski. They blamed him and his brigade for the failure of this operation and forced him to give up his brigade to a British officer. Furthermore, general Sosabowski worked as a storekeeper after the war and his Polish coworkers saluted him everyday.
@DevilTrigger Some respect dude. Pay some respect.
Yeah the Polish were really mistreated for how much they actually did. I think in around 2005/2006 the Dutch finally acknowledged and gave them the Bronze Lion and Military order of William.
@@chels4723 Correct. Even though the government wanted to do that after the war, British interference prevented us
Cuz Brits are to proud of themselves.
Montecasino? Nah, without Brits they would of never won (The allies couldnt take It for 6 months against the German elite infantry And Polish troops literally took It in 2 attacks, ffs Poles even had a bear fighting with them carrying artillery rounds called Wojtek, research It, its An amazing story).
Battle of Britain? No, only the Brits saved Britain, the other pilots were just a bit of help. (Polish 303 squadron in the Battle of Britain literally is one of the squads with most Air kills confirmed Up to today if not the most)
Yes, every failure in the allies Campaings were because of Poles, because Brits are to proud to see themselves loosing. Next time, dont expect the Polish division to go through a storm wich would of have ended worse than the failure of Montogomery's stupid plan: Uhhhmmm, lets put light infantry with no AT weapons against German heavy fortified cities And tanks And make the americans go literally through one heavily fortified Highway, I think we can win.
I honestly believe they banned the Polish officer but didnt bann Montgomery for hes fucking stupid plan, good thing Patton was in control after this Shitshow, ar least he knew what he was fucking doing.
@KKK Revolution
At the end he got the results And that is what matters, im sure that against the Germans, those high casualties would of appeareared with anynother general.
Its like D-Day, doesnt matter Who was in Charge, many people would still die there, And the Germans had many fortified positions
Man, that "Out of ammunition. God save the King" transmission sent me chills
Keep in mind that since the radios were not working properly, only the germans got that message. :'/
One of the most haunting messages of the War.
Aloha 🙏🏼
@@korosuke1788 damn
God save the Queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Just use your melee (Market Gardener)
I just can't hold myself from writing this. What is kind of a fun fact is that as mentioned in video Montgomery blamed Polish brigade led by Stanisław Sosabowski for not arriving fast enough, but Sosabowski was one of the few man against the whole operation from the beginning. He did come back alive but never earned anything for his deeds
The Poles had an Airborne Brigade at Arhnem, not a division.
At 4/OCT Montgomery praised Sosabowski and his paratroopers, thanking him for saving retreat of British units, but something occurred in high command of British Army, since at 14/OCT Montgomery accused Poles of sabotage, cowardice, lack of discipline, lack of fighting spirit - similar to what Browning wrote.
Oh, and Browning was the one who after receiving from Maj. Urquhart aerial photos, put Urquhart in hospital for few days with allegedly paranoia caused by overworking.
STANNIS! Arg!!!
My mate's Grandad fought at Arnhem and said the Poles were the bravest he ever had seen. Monty was a prick for many reasons in this operation, and trying to Sosabowski is utterly shameful
@@fndthousing I'd say it hurts even more that the British apologized Sosabowski only posthumously and only after much pressure.
Some general: We will be home by Christmas.
Great War veterans: Hey I have seen this one. It is classic.
More like
Great War veterans: Yeah, we heard that one...Every year. For four years.
One of the many examples of why never trust a British general plan.
I’m surprised nobody is here from tf2
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@@squatchhammer7215
Except it was mostly planned by Americans like Brereton and Williams of the USAAF.
Rick Atkinson
THE WAR IN WESTERN EUROPE 1944-1945
1. AGAINST THE WEST WALL
A Market and A Garden
_”General Brereton’s troop carrier commanders had insisted that only a single mission fly on Sunday; a second sortie would ostensibly exhaust air and ground crews and leave insufficient time to service and reload the planes (although double missions over the same distance had been flown from Italy in Dragoon the previous month). Pleas by airborne commanders and by an emissary from Montgomery to Brereton’s headquarters failed to reverse the decision.”_
And on the failure to capture the Som bridge intact:
_”Montgomery’s proposal was for the US 101st Airborne to be strung out like a kite string over a 30 mile stretch. Major General Maxwell Taylor, the commander of US 101st Airborne, protested against such an extreme dispersion of his division. Brereton took the matter up with Montgomery,who agreed to let the matter be settled by direct discussion Taylor and General Miles Dempsey, the commander of British Second Army. They may at Montgomery’s headquarters on September 12th.”_
-Market Garden Then and Now by Karel Margry
Monty didn’t have any jurisdiction over the air forces. He cannot give them orders.
You know what really eats at me when I watch videos like these? The Discovery Channel used to show a lot of really good historical documentaries done very much in this style, except using unrelated stock footage under the narration, rather than using animated backgrounds. Most of what I know about WW2 and a few other conflicts throughout history comes from those show. And yet these days when I tune into the Discovery Channel, it's all Reality Shows. Buying storage lockers, fixing cars and whatever else. What you've created is exactly what I wish television were like these days.
Well it's probably when they held world war months, iirc during 70th anniversary of WW 2.
I miss the days of my childhood when discovery and history channel were awesome, like an audio-visual library full of knowledge. Now they're 100% disappointment. Even Mythbusters are gone.
@@luisfukumoto6838 Agreed. I miss the old documentary channels. They don't make them like that any more.
Reality shows are cheaper to make. Sad but true.
I'm 47 and there weren't any shortage of good documentaries to watch. I remember the day when history and discovery channels were good. It sucks cuz my kid doesn't know half of what I knew when I was his age. I try to teach him but the documentaries really helped me when I was a kid. Don't even get me started on school, they don't even teach the basics. D-Day, Pearl Harbor, etc...
I'm Dutch, we're not 70% rivers, but instead 90% water
50%sea 50%weed
So do you have gills
The rest of the world just thinks your 100 percent water
Then dutch guys can't win against obi wan cuz he has highground unlike you guys
Klopt.
You mean paratroopers IRL aren't as OP as they are in Hoi4?
Shane Boardwell They were in 1.4, but with the special forces cap now, you can do without them
HEARESY
Shane Boardwell agaunst ai yes
@@ajdintabic3516 Agreed Marines are a much better use of the capacity
Just make 50000 paratrooper divisions that are just engineer companeis. Drop them over enemy territory to instantly capitulate them.
My grandpa lived in Son when the paratroopers dropped. He was about 13 years old and his children's perspective on those days were quite interesting. He explained how he snuck out with his friends to go find dead Germans, to steal their grenades off their bodies. Weeks later, when the fighting was done, they used those grenades to fish in the canal. He remembered it as an exciting time.
Eisenhower: "You said we'd end the war by Christmas!"
Montgomery: "I never said this Christmas😏..."
Montgomery = the British during ww1
Christmas? I said Springmas
what do u mean?
Montgomery: "I never said which year."
British in WW1?
"We could end this war by Christmas" Most incorrect military utterance ever.
You'd think that after WW1 they won't trust anyone who would say something like that
That phrase is cursed I swear.
You would think people would at least question "which christmas?" after WW1.
T-Serise: we can win the war by christmas
Press F for Montgomery and his long nose
My father had the good Idea to take my 10 year old self to the 50 years anniversary Celebrations of the battle.
What a great day that was!
We watched columns of Shermans; British, American and Dutch Resistance Veterans parading the streets of Arnhem and we even saw some live paratroopers drops and visited the famous Hotel which is now a Museum.
It took me a couple of more years more to figure out why he urged me to keep my German voice down!
My grandad was in the South Staffordshire Regiment (part of the gliderbourne force the 1st Airlanding Brigade) during Market Garden. He ended up being a POW after the failure of the operation and spent the rest of the war at Stalag VIIIC in occupied Poland. He didn’t really talk about it. He would be 97 in June.
I bet he didn't mis-pronounce the name of his fine Regiment as the narrator of this video did.
He likely faced pretty rough treatment and forced labor. Most of the accounts of 1st Para Division talk about them being used as agricultural labor and it being very tough. Think chain gang type conditions. I'm sure it was not something he wanted to revisit. Your grandad was a hero. This year will mark 75 years since that fateful drop.
Most of the men could talk about it. One of men I knew (died 95 years old) was a captured by the Japanese and was a POW. He would not talk about the horrific things he witnessed there; until he was near his death he was unintentionally letting out things about the war. Calling out names ect.
Poor Guy...such a gent.
My grandad was a 16 year old belgian scout during the raid and had to light flares on the ground, his freind was a german and during the battle his freind was shot, would talk about just siting in the swarm of bullets holding him. He was put in a pow camp latter but escaped.
My partner's grandad was dropped with the 1st paras and captured on day 2. He didn't talk about it either and we found his pow record online. He was at both Stalag 12A and Stalag 344 (which I think is part of Stalag VIIIC).
Market Garden is literally every paradrop ops ever in HOI4
Hearts Of Iron
its Hearts of Iron 4@00modpod
Paratroopers get dropped, their org is so low they can't even take the province they were dropped onto.
I dunno, paratroopers in operation sea lion can be pretty good
German paratroopers were more OP than they are in Hoi4. They dropped 78 paratroopers (without commander) on that one belguim lvl 10 fort, while around 1200 belguim soldiers were stationed at that fort. They damaged it to lvl 2 and took it in a day. Now, is that not OP if Hoi4 allowed that? They had planning bonus though.
World War Veteran: **plays TF2**
World War Veteran: **goes Trolldier**
World War Veteran: *Hey, I've seen this before!*
Snorts glue: yea yea
Allies: I'm gonna do a thing
Weather: *NOPE*
If I remember correctly them going ahead on d day was more of a gamble that the weather would be clear by the time they needed to consolidate and launch the amphibious assault.
I fucking died reading this lol
n bo oh boy let me tell you about the eastern front.
Pesky ass water cycle!!! always causing a ruckus!
@Seth Greenberg - A 24 hour break in the weather allowed for the invasion, otherwise, it would have been called off.
If your general says the war will end by Christmas run the other way
That was ww1
@@scrmnthn5233 ww1 was the war will end by fall
@@scrmnthn5233 Also the American Civil War.
@@christosvoskresye also
General McArthur during Korean War
1911Games no ANY general
I’ll also add, back in 2000, I was treating a patient in my local A&E as a junior doctor. The patient told me about his experience at Arnhem and that “Monty was a bloody butcher”.
John Cornell I’ve not studied the stats. Just quoting a soldier who was there. But thanks for the info
As a Dutchman living in the city of Arnhem, I am happy to see a video being made about it. This year it will have been 75 years ago. Despite the failure of the mission, the British and Polish, at least here in Arnhem, are remembered and commemorated as heroes.
Officially British (in reports after Market Garden) say Polish paratroopers were ill prepared cowards not helping in this operation, causing all this delay and limiting success of whole operation. (This is official report after 2 weeks of operation ending - earlier British, Montgomery praised Polish paratroopers for courage and fighting spirit)
@@kilijanek Of course the Brits (The Higher-Ups, not generalizing on the British people, here) wanted to shift the blame to an ally they would soon abandon.
The Polish Parachute Brigade basically saved the British 1st para at Arnhem from being completely rekt.... once the logistics and weather finally let them drop into a battle already lost.
@@kilijanek Cuz Brits are to proud of themselves.
Montecasino? Nah, without Brits they would of never won (The allies couldnt take It for 6 months against the German elite infantry And Polish troops literally took It in 2 attacks, ffs Poles even had a bear fighting with them carrying artillery rounds called Wojtek, research It, its An amazing story).
Battle of Britain? No, only the Brits saved Britain, the other pilots were just a bit of help. (Polish 303 squadron in the Battle of Britain literally is one of the squads with most Air kills confirmed Up to today if not the most)
Yes, every failure in the allies Campaings were because of Poles, because Brits are to proud to see themselves loosing. Next time, dont expect the Polish division to go through a storm wich would of have ended worse than the failure of Montogomery's stupid plan: Uhhhmmm, lets put light infantry with no AT weapons against German heavy fortified cities And tanks And make the americans go literally through one heavily fortified Highway, I think we can win.
I honestly believe they banned the Polish officer but didnt bann Montgomery for hes fucking stupid plan, good thing Patton was in control after this Shitshow, ar least he knew what he was fucking doing.
@@basementkidd6818
I know history of my own country pretty well :)
I don't need to research. After Monte Cassino there was heavy battle for Loreto and Ankona. Polish units almost instantly after Monte Cassino took part in it and suffered heavy losses - some units were destroyed. It was fiercest battle on Italian peninsula.
@@kilijanek
And what about It?
Does that deny the great work of Poles during MonteCasino, no.
Montgomery was a great general in the africano campaigns... But fucked Up in stuff like market Garden. Just because they suffered heavy losses, doesnt deny the fact that they fought outstandingly in Montecasino. And when I said do some research on It, I ment on Wojtek the bear not Montecasino.
There are still many times were the Poles did an outstanding job in the Battle of Britain And in breaking the Enigma Code.
So what exactly is your point? Are you trying to deny these Facts by saying Polish troops also Lost a lot of men during battles or Lost battles?
My mother had a brother killed at Arnhem he was a paratrooper in the1st battalion the border regiment killed in action on the20th of September.
REST IN PEACE uncle Bill .
My uncle was wounded with the 101st.
I always say, those are the real heroes, the ones Who fought And died so others could see the end of the war or at least try And Risk their own Life to do It.
Im sure he was a great man And soldier.
Or airborne
The 1st Bn The Border Regiment were glider borne troops not paratroops
Interviewer: "Did you ever lose a battle?"
Montgomery: "No"
*cries in market garden*
Well to be fair to monty the idea was his but he had very little to do with it beyond that.
Another thing to remember is that Eisenhower agreed to the plan so I think Ike is as much to blame as monty.
But I think the main blame should go to Browning as well as Gavin for not immediately prioritising Nijmegen bridge.
Hah! *laughs in Rommelian
He's been mocked and maybe try to hide his shame the fail operation market garden
So sad If Monty and Ike would`ve only ask Patton
@@bfc3057 Only fighting battles where you have complete superiority is quite a good tactic.
Another reason Market Garden failed is we simply underestimated the strength of the remaining German Army in 1944. The Allies assumed the German Army was all but defeated but they still had a lot of fight left in them.
With their families mass raped killed and bombed for being German wouldn't you?
@@papafrancesco2937 That's not even remotely true. There were entire Russian divisions that fought for Hitler. The Soviet Union killed 20,000,000 of their own population and openly advocated the rape of Germans to defile them. Hitler had no choice but to invade. Why do you think the allies only declared war on Germany when both Russia and Germany invaded Poland?
Then Patton had said we defeated the wrong enemy, said he was going to blow it up when he got back to the states surviving the most brutal war in human history only to be mysteriously killed by a U.S. Army truck.
@@volkansgewehr2470 I wonder how long you neckbeard Nazi's are going to exist
The "bum rush" of shattered units out of Normandy would have lead anyone to believe that German army in the west was defeated by autumn of 1944.
@@papafrancesco2937 Bro. The bombings. Okay, they had a strategic value and germany started it. But the murders and rapes after the war cannot be justified and are just that. Murder. U cannot take revenge at a country by randomly killing their population without knowing what the exact person you are killing/raping did.
Just did some research and the guy actually coined the term “a bridge too far”... wow
Story goes that after the operation General Browning claimed he said that prior to it he had said "we can hold Arnhem bridge for 4 days but I think we may be going a bridge too far". Cornelius Ryan picked up on that and used it for the title of his 1973 book
Hehehehe
“I’ve never lost a battle”
-Montgomery during a post war interview
In his dreams possibly Market Garden was a dumpster fire.
Monty was really good at externalizing blame on everyone else. In his mind, *he* didn't lose the battle, other people lost it.
Bullcrap. Market Garden was a colossal failure. It failed to achieved its major objective, saw the utter destruction of the British airborne division, and saw the British shamefully putting all of the blame onto the Polish Free Forces. If there was any one good thing that came out of this, it was Eisenhower telling himself and his staff to never again allow any sort of plans or ideas that came out of Monty's mouth and head.
@John Cornell the goal of MG was to penetrate the German line and open a path into Germany. Did it happen? No? Mission failure. That's like arguing "I won 90% of the football game." The time, men, and supplies lost on this battle might have been put to better use elsewhere.
@John Cornell Regarding the blame shifting. That is specifically what happened, American and British command turned Sosabowski into a scapegoat for the operation, stripped him off his rank and basically ruined the man's entire career. All to hide their own mistakes. For them he was a perfect target since he wasn't "their" man and was among the people that weren't afraid to bring up issues with Market Garden.
That was especially convenient for Browning since he could use that to cover his and Gavin's ass, the two people that arguably fricked up the most during the whole action.
Out of Ammunition. God save the King. The man that said this also took an umbrella into battle
Must have spent his last umbrella before transmitting
Worst case scenario should be "out of tea", though
My understanding is that the radio operator said that and that the officer referred to was already dead. Also - it was only the Germans that heard that.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw you're correct, Dappur along with this youtuber doesn't know what he's talking about.
Allison Digby Tatham-Warter the umberella and bowler hat officer. Survived the battle and made it across to allied lines. The last message was spoken by an unknown radio operator and indeed only picked up by the Germans.
Smh just land 1 paratrooper in berlin.
One does not simply glide into Berlin.
r/woooosh
@@Ben-gp5sg r/whooshwhooosh
Unless the Germans happen to have a 40 width Medium Panzer division parked there, or several..
The original "Rush B"
I’ve lived in Arnhem all my life and it’s great to see that these fallen are not forgotten
Mad Respect to the Poles, who at every stage in this war demonstrated incredible bravery even when they got alternatively blamed/abandoned/screwed by the British commanders.
And the Soviets, and the Americans, and everyone really.
lol, respect to poles, who never waited for fascists to kill their jews. they happily did it themselves. look it up, buddy
@@stas2784 Look up for what? A propaganda? No, thank you. Jews were murdered by Germans. Any way to put blame for that on anyone else is plain disgusting.
@@przemog88 read your history-both Germans and Poles (notwithstanding current Polish censorship attempts)
@@Losangelesharvey There were traitors who collaborated with Germans, but they weren't killing Jews during war. Censorship? On which info? Give me example.
Market Garden is pretty much a textbook example of Friction in War:
"Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War,
Suppose now a traveller, who towards evening expects to accomplish the two stages at the end of his day’s journey, four or five leagues, with post-horses, on the high road - it is nothing.
He arrives now at the last station but one, finds no horses, or very bad ones; then a hilly country, bad roads; it is a dark night, and he is glad when, after a great deal of trouble, he reaches the next station, and finds there some miserable accommodation.
So in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark. (...) "
- Clausewitz, On War, Ch 7
It does not really help here that the mission was in its conception High Risk- High Reward, to finish the war before the Red Army arrives.
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
A Clauswitzian, Jolly good!
If the issue was the red army why not force Japan to attack Russia by kidnapping the emperor and having him declare such actions under duress then move to crush soviet industry north of china by supplying Mao
@@RUclipsRUclips-hy4sl well, for starters, this was 1944
@Son Gohan
The problem is that the Allies had decided in advance who would take what. The United States gave the Soviet large areas they took in the Soviet zone. If they had taken Berlin, they would have just given it to the Soviet Union.
They should never have helped the Soviet from the beginning. A non-assault pact would have been sufficient.
My grandfather was an American glider pilot in this operation. He landed at night in a hail of bullets. The Germans were waiting for them. All of his paratroopers were killed.
He was seriously wounded defending the crash site and was captured.
Gramps lived to be 83 with one lung and one kidney :)
Mad thanks to your gramps, he did some very brave things amigo
Did a HoI4 player plan the operation?
Isp and Montgomery think the same that paratroopers are op
It certainly seems like a rambler try
It was Drew
Nah it was obviously Braun with his "historical accuracy"
@@killianlile173 Nah, Dressel
Allied high command: So guys, we need to end this war by Christmas. Any ideas?
Bernard Montgomery: LeTs DrIvE ThE EnTiRe ArMy DoWn A sInGlE lAnE hIgHwAy.
considering all the info the german had, and many failures of the operation, I found incredible that some army units even reach the Rhin.
There was only one corps, XXX Corps. Eisenhower would not given adequate resources to the operation. But XXX Corps never put a foot wrong. The failure was Gavin of the US 82nd at Nijmegen not seizing the bridge immediately.
@2Polev - You joke, but as as far as an untested strategy with limited support options along a single path of advance on unfavorable terrain against a prepared enemy force goes - Market Garden was EXTREMELY successful.
And, frankly, the commanders of the British 2nd battalion had to have been smart enough to realize that their entire purpose as the forward-most unit was NOT simply to hold the bridges but to stall any German *reinforcements* as long as possible. Getting dropped well outside radio range was *definitely* a hint.
And as long as the Allies were willing to accept the 1st Airborne Division being destroyed in detail, the Germans would indeed be forced to draw resources away from the rest of the front and then advance down the same one-lane highway *WITHOUT* the help of paratroopers if they wanted those towns back.
Had I to to the whole thing over again, I would have abandoned the airhead north of Arnem after the initial landing and doubled-down on the 82nd's airhead as a supply base. But other than that (and maybe a few dummy supply landings to the North), there's practically nothing Ol' Monty could have done better.
Grizabeebles , you and I have different definitions of EXTREMELY successful.
@@johnburns4017 Old Monty...at least the Japanese commanders had enough pride to disembowel themselves after failures like his
I spent 3 years as an Army paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division. Every May at Ft. Bragg, we celebrate All-American week when former division paratroopers return similar to a homecoming. Back in the 80's there were still many WW2 airborne vets alive and most of them had jumped and fought in Holland (not to mention North Africa, Sicily, Italy, Normandy, and Germany). The stories those old airborne vets shared kept us young paratroopers in awe. Airborne All the Way!
Infantry,Tank and Anti-Tank
Coming to a Bridge near you
Disclaimer: only available before market garden proceeds and not available to any allied planners of market garden
WHERE IS PETSCOP 2
well one can outfit the airborn with anti tank gear just has to be modified to handle flight. etc.
This is one of your better videos yet!
As a Polish viewer, I'm especially thankful and delighted to see gen. Sosabowski and his men get proper recognition. Their story is exceptionally tragic when you consider what was going on at the same time in Poland and what was their situation after the war. Sosabowski's own son fought and was seriously wounded in the Warsaw Uprising, partially losing his sight. General was unable to return the country controlled by communists, stripped from citizenship and receiving no pension normally due to a retired officer, he had to work as a factory worker. Not to mention that (at least according to the book _Poles Apart_ by George F. Cholewczynski) Monty tried to partially scapegoat Sossabowski for the failure of the operation.
I love reading these comments and hearing from the families of these heroes. We all owe them so much.
„But the allies are unable to deploy because of poor weather in England“ ~ we see a pattern in the weather of England. nearly always bad xD
There seems to be only two weather types in England, from what I've seen and experienced in my incredibly short stay there.
"Terrible" and "even worse than terrible".
Sidewinder it’s either cold rainy too hot or barely bareable
@@smiglo112 You either can't go outside because its raining, the roads are all waterlogged and the wind is unbareable or you can't go outside because its 90% humidity with no wind and the sweat is unbareable. No inbetween.
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@@smiglo112 If you see the reason its actually scary.Two weather systems colliding over the country, "fighting" and "pushing" each other constantly ;p
Where I live, we hold annual public paratrooper trainings. Which is also a memorial for market garden.
(I live a bit west from Arnhem Close to Oosterbeek at one of the landing sites)
That's awesome! I'd love to be a part of that! I've never been to the Netherlands, but I was in Normandy during the 70th anniversary of D-Day, and as an American, I was brought to tears by the gratitude and remembrance of those who fought there exhibited by the locals. Despite everything that has happened since in the world and between nations, they honor those who gave their lives, right down to the youngest generation. The people were as beautiful as the land, and it was a wonderful and humbling experience.
@Troy Staunton That's awesome mate! Hope I don't sound pretentious but I worked daily for about two years with a buddy from Adelaide, and couldn't help but pick up some of his accent/phrases. I had the same kind of experiences, lovely people, but also had that in Germany. We had some awesome experiences in the hostel we were at in Berlin. And I got positive comments on my weak grasp of German. That may have just been politeness, but hey, I count it! :D
De Airborne Walk. Heb zelf nooit meegedaan in de drie jaren dat ik daar heb gewoond
@@AgentDanielCross Dat is jammer. Ik hoop dat je genoten hebt van je tijd daar, tenminste! Ja, ik heb hiervoor Google gebruikt. :)
So THIS is where the market gardener in TF2 got its name, huh?
1914: The war will be over by Christmas!
*Lasts until 1918*
1944: The war will be over by Christmas!
*Continues on until 1945*
2020:The war will be over by next christma- *nuclear explosion*
Hey as long as you don't say which Christmas
@@chasedavidson2855 big brain
2021: Peace on Earth this Christmas! Join [hashtag] PeaceNOW! Tell everyone violence solves nothing! Climate change and Covid kills more! No more guns! Love and peace and - *massive nuclear explosion*
My Father was a navigator during this. He rarely discussed this “Operation” when he returned back home in Minnesota after the war. RIP Richard J. Koplitz. 96 years old and miss him, but so proud of him. 😢
RIP Richard🍺
It's pretty insane to me that almost all these skirmishes and battles I can remember in the plethora of old school WWII games I used to play in the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty series. I'm m historian but I can totally match the history to the missions I played over a decade ago, and it actually helps me visualize the situations in a way that is very interesting
And all this time I thought the Market Gardener was just a silly reference or something.
Good job Valve
What reference are you talking about?
@@dankdungeon5104 The Market Garden weapon from TF2.
Yes
_looks at timestamp._ Alright boys, crack out the popcorn!
The Impression I got from reading The Last Battle by Cornelius Ryan is that Eisenhower absolutely hated Montgomery and believed he would lose the war for the allies if he was allowed to. He almost charged him with insubordination and called Winston Churchill about removing Montgomery from his command position.
The differences in command seemed to be that the Americans were all about a big dramatic push whereas the Brits were more cautious. At least this seems to be the reason for the friction Antony Beevor suggests in his book The Battle of Arnhem. Beevor suggests that Market Garden was Montgomery's attempt to play things the Americans' way, and it failed.
@@williamhiers1280
Actually in this situation it was inverted. Eisenhower called for caution, while Montgomery wanted to beat the Soviets to Berlin. When he was told no he went and tried anyway which could have got him or others encircled.
Eisenhower soon went running to Montgomery again when the Americans got themselves into a mess in the Ardennes.
William Hiers,
The ironic thing is that that the Americans pushed no harder than the British anywhere.
Lyndon you lump or are you John Cornell today? - ya sure specially when the British were evacuated from
Norway,Netherlands, Belgium and France,Dunkirk in 1940
Greece, Crete,Hong Kong and Libya in 1941
Tobruk and Dieppe,Singapore in 1942
IKE was having monty removed when bernard BEGGED HIM in writing not to do so. Freddie even wrote up the apology for it. Have your handler at the home there read that to you it's in Freddie's book.IKE's book,Winston's book
Gory Gory what a Helluva way to die,
Gory Gory what a Hell of a way to die,
Gory Gory what a Hell of a way to die,
He ain't gonna jump no more.
There was blood upon the risers there were brains upon his shoot intestines were a dangling from his paratrooper suit he was a mess they picked him up and poured from his boots and he ain't gonna jump no more!
Now that is a song that I haven't heard in a long while. Not my song, but a pleasant reminder.
Facta non verba
AATW!!!!
Now there is a good memory. I am a 3rd generation paratrooper, and had the honor to sing this with a collection of 101st Vietnam and 82nd/101st WWII at Benning several years ago. Not much really makes me tear up. but that sure did.
Great overview, I have wandered over that area of The Netherlands for over 10 years, both on my own and as a military history tourguide. A lot of myths arose about this battle, most self-serving, and sustained by some popular histories primarily Ryan's Bridge Too Far. The 1AB comms problems were not a surprise: the DZ/LZs were over three miles apart (I've walked it) which was greater than the effective range of the tactical radios of the time. Planners assumed they would be temporarily out of contact-since resistance was expected to be localized they accepted the risk. Speaking of DZ/LZs, the RAF's objection due to alleged AAA at Deelen should have and could've been overruled-Gen. Gale who had two combat jumps stated that Urquhart should have objected "to the point of threatening resignation" and also expected to be consulted by the planning staff-and wasn't. Even the "Bridge Too Far" statement alleged to come from Gen Browning is probably mythic; and may have originated from his novelist wife. NO ONE recalled such a statement during planning or execution; some of his staff said bluntly he wasn't that creative to have made any such observation. The lack of airlift could've been partially alleviated by giving 1AB absolute priority to get as much of the division on the ground and moving as possible. Instead, Browning's headquarters was planned to drop/land taking over 30 "trains" (glider tugs + para drops) where it had no operational role. Sadly, the most compelling impetus to rush planning and get this moving was the belief of the Brit Generals that the war would be over before they could get into combat, as 7 ops had been consecutively planned and cancelled.
Very good analysis. Browning had no business taking up precious flight space to be there. He should have stayed in England to kick asses back there and make sure schedules were being kept. I believe that rather than dropping all 3 Airborne Divisions on the same day that it should have been a rolling advance: Day 1 taking Eindhoven up to Grave Bridge, Day 2 Nijmegen, Day 3 Arnhem. That way all aircraft be used to drop each Division in a single lift. They should have also planned a contingent drop somewhere like Deventer if the Germans flooded into Arnhem. The plan also should have included securing an air feild somewhere near the American sector from which Typhoons and P-47s could provide constant close air support to the 1st AB sector.
@@Indylimburg Thank you for the kind words. Your drop plan would've been feasible and an alternate plan would be the one I outlined i.e. 1AB priority on Day 1. This would ensure they had troops and supplies to sustain themselves AND draw away some Wehrmacht and Waffen SS units stationed south, thus easing the way for 82/101/XXX Corps. Your contingency LZ/DZ suggestion reminds me of some heat I took on another forum where reviewing a Market-Garden wargame I called the planning (actual op, not the game which was excellent IMHO) "shoddy". Two of the factors I gave were not considering enemy reaction which is answered with your plan for alternate LZ/DZs. Additionally, completely ignoring COMINT from Enigma and Phantom that confirmed the 2SS Panzer Corps HQ and Division elements were in the Arnhem/Nijmegen area as early as 1 Sept IIRC.
@@grumblesa10 once again, good thoughts. The ignoring of crucial intelligence was inexcusable. Much is made of the fact that Gen Urquhart was out of communication for more than a day and that the Brittish radios didn't work. This wouldn't have been such a problem if someone had told them that the Dutch resistance had been communicating for years on a telephone network unknown to the Germans. Allied intelligence knew about it, but the paratroopers we never told. SMH.
@@Indylimburg the presence of 9th & 10th SS Panzer units was known and correctly deduced as being severely understrength (which they were!) This is the reason that 1st AB went in with their 6pdrs and 17pdrs as well as the PIATs. What was not appreciated fully was that the Germans had dispersed their rag-tag defence elements and that the blocking action of Spindler's units cannot be undersold! Browning should never have been in the field, as his presence not only deprived 1st AB of those 36 additional transports, etc, which would have allowed 4th Para to be dropped on day 1, but also his presence probably had a negative influence on Gavin's decision making, too. He may not have prioritised the Groesbeek Heights over the Nijmegen Bridge if Browning hadn't decided to put his HQ there.
@@sean640307 interesting thoughts on Browning's possible impact on the 82nd's operations. I hadn't thought of that.
Speaking of politics. Gavin's failure to press on the bridge at Nijmegen with strength as his overriding priority (as it certainly should have been) was the reason the operation failed; lots of areas here and there where it might have been done better but General Gavin's inexplicable reluctance to attack the bridge in force was the crux of it all. XXX Corps were not late reaching Nijmegen (as is often stated) but were then delayed. Political ? Gavin was not criticised enough afterwards certainly because he was American and contrastingly the British commanders were criticised heavily by the Americans. It is an even greater shame as we can be sure that the men under Gavin's command were very keen and capable.
Yes, this. Was Gavin ordered to leave the British exposed to German counter attacks. Discredit Montgomery. Makes sense strategically. US wanted full control over D-Day.
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Ah of course. It's Americas fault. Americans wanted the British to fail because that's what Americans do. That last clip of Montgomery saying he's never lost a battle is such a typical brit thing to do.
@@thebigmon There was a lot of wartime American propaganda about British incompetence, to the extent a lot of Americans still believe it today. At the time Americans were annoyed about soldiers being sent to Europe instead of Japan, so the idea was Europe needed American saviours and the British were useless etc etc. Not saying Montgomery didn't make mistakes, he absolutely did. But to say America didn't exaggerate British failures is incorrect.
People sometimes mention that Gavin hurt his back during the jump over Nijmegen, but I suspect that he also must have hit his head quite hard upon landing, as otherwise he was a competent officer. Also, let's not forget that Browning was at Nijmegen too and approved Gavin's decision, even though his *one job* was to esnure that the Operation gets carried out according to plan.
One note about 9:06, the plans found only detailed the 101st's area of operations. It wasn't some magical Market Garden grand scheme document. Other than that, great video.
Ha! I led my men across the bridge at Arcole with a flag.
Napoleon I Bonaparte yes you did! But did the Austrians have machine guns, Tanks and SS🤔🤔
@@kalebthehistorian5928 eventually
That's why you never lost the battle........not at least by your fault........blame the marshalls for everything!
Vive le Empereur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Charlie Khosravi soon I hope after all I'm only 15
That bridge in Arnhem is now the John Frost bridge. I live near it
The 'sculpture' next to the road bridge (presumably supposed to be Frost) is bizarre. In google earth can still see some bullet marks/ shell explosions around the base of the bridge and the underpass. I think the place where there was a German pillbox on the bridge is now an alcove with a plaque and inscription in it. I walked across it in 1989 an in 2000 went to the Hartenstein museum.
What gets more men killed. Enemy weaponry... or over confident generals?
Chase let’s say both
@@LU1SJJ is a Very situational problem.
How about Hitler himself?
Both
Mainly the overconfident generals.
~5:00 'South Stratfordshire'
It's South Staffordshire. Stratford is a town, Staffordshire is a county. The names are easily confused, but as someone from Staffordshire, a bit disappointing to hear!
However, thanks for the content, keep up the great work.
This guy has a problem with pronunciation (Horrocks, Urqhart…)
My step great grandad was in this battle and was shot 5 times and found by a Dutch girl in a field. He lived and was given a necklace by the girl and her mother and left for home. 40 years later he went back to the battle field he was shot and met the girl again. They had dinner and he died a few years later
Rip great grandad you did well
Great story.
The Writer of A Bridge Too Far wrote wonderfully researched books on this DDay and the fall of Berlin.
Yes, but they are all imperfect, like all historical books which attempt to cover events of vast scale with thousands of participants from different units and nationalities with different objectives, experiences, and agendas. Add that to the fact that information from archival materials which were not available decades ago might have changed how those books were written.
Unfortunately, A Bridge Too Far was Cornelius Ryan's last book, and was rushed to publication unfinished, because he knew he had terminal cancer. Swedish historian Christer Bergström has updated his work in his two volume book, Arnhem 1944: An Epic Battle Revisited (2019, 2020) using unpublished documents and interviews in the Cornelius Ryan Collection held at Ohio State University.
The Movie is do accurate that Monty didn't appear in it either - like the real thing
Could you make a video on the Battle of Dien Bien Phu of 1954 please and how it was a failure and a major blow to France against the Viet Minh.🇫🇷🇻🇳
I just now learned my grandfather fought in this battle. Thanks for making it so easy to learn more about this!
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway anyone?
Yuh
Hell yeah!
Sequel when.
A Bridge Too Far
Company of Heroes....
Title: Operation Market Garden
Me: Still trying to market garden someone in TF2.
I JUST finished a book on Arnhem today. What a brutal battle and total clusterfuck. They sure fought hard though.
Which book?
@@SeaponyLuna The Battle of Arnhem by Antony Beevor.
Not as much of a clusterfuck as the Hurtgen forest offensive
@@Fenixx117 Beevor's book is good, but I think he comes to the wrong conclusion. I think you still need to get a copy of "Lost at Nijmegen" by the Dutch author Poullussen (I hope I spelt that correctly, but I think I may have got it wrong). It is a good read - it's only available in Kindle form now, unfortunately.
To anyone wondering about the war memoirs spoken of at the end of the video, "If You Survive" is indeed very good. George Wilson's good memory lets him describe what he experienced perfectly. Another good one is Troop Leader, about an allied tank platoon.
“The dream to end the war by Christmas”
Was just that A DREAM
Armchair historian, have you seen the movie A Bridge Too Far? That's an underrated movie, yet sadly was a flop at the box office at the time.
Even though I would place that movie with more of the older war films that I don't like. A Bridge Too Far was a great film and I wasn't thinking about the scenes when watching this video. Comparing the two, the movie did a pretty damn good job of covering most of the operation.
That is a great movie and one of my favorite WWII movies. Cornelius Ryan wrote the book it was based on as well as The Longest Day about the D Day Invasion. I think both the book and movie interviewed a lot of the battle's participants and tried to get it correct, at least as Hollywood goes.
The bridge too far was filmed in my hometown 😆 (btw it wasn't filmed in Arnhem)
Just watched it last night.
The film was a success. It was mainly fiction.
"Operation Market Garden"
*SCREAMING EAGLES*
I'mInside YourHouse Yes
*soldier scream*
*MAGGOTS!!!*
I live in Nijmegen and often cross the John Frost bridge in Arnhem
They're considering making the dropzones state monuments
Any updates? We don't get news about that area over here in Utrecht too often
yes but owned by farmers ? in September 2024 (80 years) I think I will walk from the drop zones to Arnhem road bridge along 2nd battalions route
is it weird that I just thought about this video yesterday and today it happened on this channel?
When in doubt, blame polish for your failure.
My grandfather was a U.S Army Air Force radio operator involved with Market Garden. I love seeing everything he was involved in, no matter how small his role might have seemed in the grand scheme.
Thank you for giving due credit to the Poles and for pointing out how they got used as scapegoats for the operation's failure.
No they did not in reality.
The main reason of defeat was Gavin and 82nd not being able to take Nijmegen bridge due to his order to commit to defending his starting position rather than pushing towards the bridge.
Gavin "was" ordered to take the bridge ASAP. Some of his men moved west towards the bridge, then hung around DePloeg leaving it too late. The delay gave the Germans time to pour men onto the bridge securing it, when at the time of the jump there were only 19 old men as guards on the bridge. The 82nd could have walked on the bridge (John Frost's words) if did not hang around DePloeg.
no he wasn't the Groesbeek Hgts as they were the drop zones.And the germans showed up with Armor APCs with mounted MG-42s and half tracks with mounted 20 mm AA guns. The same units that pinned down Frost and his men as the Paras were still on foot
@@bigwoody4704 They didn't actually have 1,000 tanks there though
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- funny guy - the 82nd never said that it was poulussen who was a photographer and decided to write a book on the battle.However Gavin and Browning did discuss the possibility as The Original battle of France the Blitz Krieg tore out of the Ardennes as it did 4 yrs later at the Battle of the Bulge - those woods were in Germany on the border
Gavin was not the reason for defeat, people out here acting like Nijmegen bridge was easy to take, they knew from the start that bridge will be hard to take especially given the fact that Germans had much more resistance and defenses ready than the Allies foolishly refused to believe.
The Operation would be a huge success if they stopped at Nijmegen, but they really did go a bridge too far and that is why they failed. Going all the way to Arkhem was way too optimistic especially given the intel they had on German defenses, and they had to execute perfectly to have any chance with this overly optimistic plan and they did not execute even close to perfectly, so there was no chance at success, the warning signs were there, but the Allies decided to gamble and unfortunately for the Arkhem paratroopers, the Generals were making a bad gamble with their lives.
Monty...so complacend and self-deceiving. Even 14 years after the war. GJ!
@John Cornell Exactly
@John Cornell Ok, i'll be generous...18:41
It's so nice how they did the subtle 9:12 HOI4 map at the top secret folder
Eisenhower: Montgomery, what just happened?
Montgomery: Nah fam, it was the Polish!
Montgomery didn't blame the Polish.
@@lyndoncmp5751 18:23
@@digbyfire5446 What about 18:23?
No quote from Monty himself and you won't find any quote from Monty himself putting the blame on the Poles for the failure. In his own book in his own words he blamed.
1. Himself.
2. The Germans.
3. Lack of resources.
4. The weather.
Now I will put £1,000 into any bank account of your choice if you can find Montgomery placing blame on the Poles for Market Garden not succeeding. Please, do not believe unsourced and incited myths.
Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Monty was a private second class compared to Patton
@@garymartin1040 Patton was never in the thick of any of the big battles and never fought top quality German formations. Monty did more than anyone to win the war in the west. Patton couldn't even take Metz for nearly three months.
Monty planned entire invasions and commanded multiple armies of different nationalities at the same time. Patton didn't. Monty was an 'army group' commander. Patton never commanded more than one army at a time and even then only American. Monty was far higher up in power and more strategically savvy and successful.
Griff got a question for you: if everything went magically perfect from the radios, weather, etc do you think the operation would have succeeded?
Schmidty I believe that if all of the airborne could be dropped on day one, if the first airborne was dropped closer to Arnhem, and the 82nd secured Nijmegen on day one then it could have worked. I do not believe that the Allies could have advanced to Berlin if they won...
@@TheArmchairHistorian thx for the insight.
@@TheArmchairHistorian no, but I suspect that the REAL reason for the operation wasn't to take the short-road into Germany, but to take the waterways to the north-west, as the port of Antwerp wasn't able to be used as the Scheldt region hadn't yet been cleared by the Canadians.
@@sean640307 I think Monty's plan was to go north to the coast. Cut off and surround all German forces in Holland, open up Antwerp and force the V-2 launchers out of range of London. The real pity about the operation at Arnhem was the British did have plans to insert a pair of glider transportable RAF light early warning radar units into the LZ on the second day and they would have allowed forward air control to be carried out in the Arnhem area. The problem was two of the four Horsa's carrying the radar and comms equipment (which was spilt into transmitter equipment and aerials in two aircraft and receiver and comms equipment in the other two) didn't make it to the LZ and the other two had the same loadout and were destroyed by artillery fire before they could be unloaded. Had the combined RAF/USAAF team manning the two units been able to get one of the radar units operational, along with its radio comms, 1st AB could have got effective air support and the outcome of the battle could have been very different.
@@TheArmchairHistorian "the 82nd secured Nijmegen on day one". This. 10/10.
9:09 nice Hearts of Iron IV gameplay plans :DDD
Montgomery: "It's a success!" While allied troops were retreating back across the Rhine river, Montgomery was standing in De Nile.
“kampfgruppe Lehr has proven its superiority once again” COH announcer
When I played Panzer Elite in COHI thought I was going to get mostly panzers and do B.S maneuvers like rushing tanks with infantry behind them, or spam Panzer 3s and 4s, and I greatly overestimated it and I got my ass kicked by A.I.
The Commander of the British 1st Airborne Division was Genera Urquhart, not Akhart. The commander of 30 Corps was Horrocks, not Herricks.
YES. For God's sake. It's not rocket science. Learn the name and practise before recording. How can he mess up Horrocks? At least he was able to pronounce Frost.
I live in Ede, it's right next to one of the dropzones of Operation Market Garden. De Ginkelse Heide. You can still find remainders of the trenches digged there and for a long time bullets were still found. Heck, one or two years ago, at the yearly remembrance of the Operation, were paratroopers jump out above the Ginkelese Heide, they had to hold the jumps for a bit cause a live grenade from WW2 was found and needed to be removed safely, imagine that, nearly 80 years after the operation, a grenade that was suppose to be used that day, was found and still formed a danger to those who jumped in remembrance, it has something beautiful. Sadly with each passing year we see less and less veterans, I think there is only one left, my town used to make sure they would be flown over to be here. The remembrance was as much for them as those who had fallen that day.
Pure chills at "Out of ammunition. God save the king"
You gotta give it to the british Paras... They had some huuuuuge balls, fighting the way they did.
I highly recommend the movie A Bridge Too Far. It's one of the best war movies of all time, with an all-star cast
I hear market garden:
Soldiers flying in the air, shovels held tightly
CRITICAL HIT
I don’t know man, those 90% crit ubersaws seem scary
Yes
Hi, could you do a vid on the finnis continuation war?
Elliot Nordling I agree this is not a vary common topic
Great call!
Allies:we are gonna end the war by chirstmas!
Walter model: *Allow me to introduce myself*
Right after Private Ivor Rowberry's quote I was about to shed some tears, I was then interrupted by a brief advertisement with a stupid jingle and I really did start crying for a few seconds.
The issue that drove Eisenhower to go for a narrow front was the lack of supplies, mainly fuel as I recall.
I know General Patton was pretty pissed they took his fuel for this Operation. This basically gave him a halt order until Market Garden was over and by then the Germans were able to prepare a defense. This operation was a bad idea from the start. Even if it was a success how useful would one road be that could be flanked and attacked anywhere along the road.
@@Wallyworld30 quite useful. Because in taking Arnhem, The allies can push around the line and also push north to the coast for ressuply thus making the threat of encirclement and being cut off less so as they can be resupplied much quicker navally. You see the supplies were being driven from far away in allied ports in France and also flown in and driven.
I must also add that if they did make it to the coast as a result of gaining these bridges and breaking through the German lines they would've been able to complete a massive massive encirclement of the German forces to the east that would have no way to be resupplied. Big reward but sadly not, a lot less would've died if a whole German army surrendered. That's the whole point behind it anyway, accelerating victory.
Antwerp was captured intact with it's 50 miles of docks. The priority should have been to clear the Scheldt Estuary so the port could be used. It was the only intact harbour captured and could have alleviated the supply problems for both 21st and 12th Army Groups, which were still receiving all supplies from Normandy. This whole battle shouldn't have taken place.
The vaunted general Patton was busy being ground to a halt by secondary German troops in the Lorraine Campaign at the time.
how about a video about the continuation of the war in that area? namely Operation Veritable, Operation Blockbuster and Operation Plunder
Operation Market Garden: A real life version of the Video game 'hey diddle diddle, dumb ass up the middle", or "YOLO up the middle".....
WHy trying to stuff an entire Corps up 1 road is a really bad idea.
My great-Uncle was at Arnheim. He and a small group got cornered by the river. They were completely encircled and the Germans kept up a constant pressure. He got shot by a sniper as he was swimming down the river, with the rest of his group, to escape the German troops closing in on his position. The bullet took off the back of one of his legs.
Gavin costs us operation market garden
Your distortions are ludicrous postmortem to absolve the abrasive egomaniac Monty who in any other army would have been relieved. The XXX Corp armored advance was almost 2 days late. The British were in tanks - Shermans of course and the 82nd on foot and Monty didn't have the decency to show up for the largest air drop in history up until that point.Another triggered brit propping up the failed empire.
@@bigwoody4704Well yeah he is right.
They were delayed for 14 hours because of the son bridge and then they rushed as fast they could to Nijmegen only to stop again because Nijmegen wasn’t taken costing another 36 hours .
Do you deny all of this ?
How can you say that didn’t play a part ?
Still didn’t answer my questions
Company of Heroes was such a good game and I loved blowing up a few bridges in the market garden campaign.
Except that XXX Corps eventually reach Nijmegen against all odds according to the schedule. It was Nijmegen which REALLY delayed them and made impossible to reach Frost on time. Listing several different reasons of the Operation's failure won't make it up. It was Gavin's mistake not to commit from the very get go sufficient forces to secure the Nijmegen bridge. He sent one (ONE!) company at 20:00 (8:00PM - for those who have no clue what 20:00 means), which was many hours after landing. GG
And of course, the goal of the entire Operation Market Garden was completely different. Reaching Rhine and going to the Heart of The Reich (Ruhr Valley) was made up after war to make it more spectacular and better justify necessity of conducting the operation which spectacularly failed. That was a great plan, bold but feasible. Ruined by one man.
The primary objective of the operation was to cross the Dutch Rhine, the secondary objective was to cut off all German forces in the western Netherlands, including the 15.Armee west of Antwerp by terminating the advance on the Zuider Zee (Ijsselmeer coast), and the tertiary objective after 9 September was to cut the V-2 rocket supply lines to the suspected launch sites on the Dutch coast.
The planned bridgeheads on the river Ijssel (the final distributary of the Rhine delat in the Netherlands) at Deventer, Zutphen, and Doesburg, were intended to be the launchpad for further operations into Germany once Antwerp had been opened. Eisenhower was planning for a pincer envelopment of the Ruhr by British 2nd Army from the Jssel bridgeheads in the north and the US 1st Army from Rhine bridgeheads yet to be gained between Bonn and Cologne in the south.
This was not made up after the war to justify the operation, it was the original intention laid out in 21st Army Group (Montgomery) planning for MARKET GARDEN and meetings between Eisenhower and Montgomery before MARKET GARDEN for the Ruhr pincer.
Now I know why the TF2 market gardener is named that way
"out of ammunition. god save the king" sends shivers down my spine
Gene Hackman photo as Gen. Sosabowski made me laugh. :)
Ahh Infantry, Tanks, Anti tank. My favourite game to play at school…
Young men like you and your colleagues died there. They were someone's friends, lovers, brothers, sons etc. Life's no game!
WOOSH 🤦♂️
@@connorsimmonds9698 Shooosh*
The breakdown of Market and then Garden operations is really well told byRobin Neillands in The Battle For the Rhine. I have it in audiobook - exciting narrative. Get out your maps of the three cities the 5 divisions were to take in the unfolding Market-Garden catastrophe.
Could you do a video on the 2012-2016 battle of Aleppo?
German: 'We want to discuss a surrender!' British officer:' im sorry but we don't have the proper facilities !'