The motherboard they use is "universal board" that usually i find used in POS and digital signage produced in mid 2015-2019, and that daughter board containing the VGA usually directly hook to embedded display (since the signal is eDP/DP/MIPI compatible) or in some cases, connected to internal DisplayPort hub to run in "mini videotron" mode.
That wouldn't surprise me at all, especially seeing the extra power switch I figured it wasn't designed with this case necessarily in mind. There is one that looks like this with the N4000 and I wonder if it is the same.
About is it worth it or not to be pi 4 replacement, absolutely, in some scenario. Buying good quality powered USB 3.0 hub, couple hard drive with is enclosure, and good quality gigabit USB 3.0 NIC (TP-Link one is quite reliable), you can install a fork of OpenWRT called "Rooter" by modemsofmen, and you can make oversimplified gateway + load balanced 4G/5G/broadband router (yes the OS support tons load of modems compatibility), NAS with samba and NFS, and even running docker if you want it too
@@ntgm20 celeron and pentium board is rarely use for anything else in mind rather than being mini PC or a DIY router board by Chinese manufacturers, for more powerful application like several high resolution digital signage or even multipoint POS, they use core i series processor, i3-81xxU and i5-82xxU series is among the most popular choices, especially because the UHD 630 GPU, they didn't need to make weird board with MXM or even soldered Nvidia/AMD GPUs anymore.
I like that this machine has legacy ports like VGA, and that it sips power. Interesting that it only takes 5v - I wonder if you could get a USB to barrel plug adapter and power this from another machine's USB port?
Maybe, but most USB that isn't USB 3.1 or PD or special for charging are limited to 500 mA, and this would need about 2 Amps. Power supply is rated for 5 VDC 2500 mA.
Yes! I picked another one up for $20 but someone I shared that with said it was sold out a couple hours later for that price. Very interesting to find for sure.
After watching this video several times, I finally went ahead and got one of these to try out. Only "problem" I seem to have is not being able to run this thing headless (Ubuntu server). So long as I have a monitor plugged in (even if turned off), it's fine. Once I unplug it, however, I seem to never be able to log in through SSH as if it's stuck in boot loop or failing to post (or something). Have you run into this issue?
Oh wow, I hadn't tested it on that but planned to run it headless. Good thing I got a three pack of VGA dummy plugs when I got them for my HP machine. I did notice some odd behaviour last night when swapping VGA cables on a monitor I was testing to sell, had to do a hard reset on the computer. So very weird, requires more investigation later. Thanks for your feedback!
@Not Terrible by Goodmonkey I was just thinking about some dummy plugs after posting the comment, too. Please do let us know how it goes. I'm going to try a more DIY solution and see if that works. Y'know...to keep with the budget theme 😆
@@casper.airsoft I used a resistor with my HP backup machine, that worked until I had the dummy plugs. I also had the resistor on hand, which is why I went that way first.
Thanks! Even just a couple months ago I was looking at over anothet year to pass 1k, and growth before that showed it would be another 13 years or so. 1k passed and now about to pass 2k I need to get my interview script ready and send my reporter to the park (details of fall subscriber drive).
@@ntgm20 just keep making good content and don't worry about building numbers. That's how most good RUclipsrs become cash whores and their content hits the toilet. PLEASE NO! Lol. You don't want millions of non paying subbies bro, what you want is a fewer number of paying people! So for instance, if you were to start making great content that was directly useful to me here, I would definitely sub for £££. There is a new generation of people like me, in their 30s or 40s who cancelled all their live TV and have all that money laying around to spend on RUclips creators. We are just waiting for them to start realising this :D That's where these others are going wrong. They sell themselves cheap and end up with millions of hangers on. You want to go the 8BitGuy route, and not put all your effort into building numbers. He started with a low number of paying people and ended up with millions anyway!
Understood. Right now the channel is my experience, except the cartoons they are just fun. True, I've bought a few more minis to test because I think people like seeing them, but I really have ideas for my own to use them, and when I get there will share some of that too. I've watched a fair bit of 8BitGuy. I like his approach, but I'm also not going for this as my regular job, unless something really weird happens. Right now I just try to keep my productions not terrible. I see your use of the Pounds Sterling character. Are you based in the UK? I lived over there for a couple years a decade or so ago.
If an android tablet can it be monitor of this? I have idea of cybercafe to be a bunch of mini computers of old games like dota, counterstrike and lf2, then mirc to be arnd for connecting to game room(to join) - then another is having android cybercafe for Mobile Legends and PUBG. If mmorpg - Dofus. All using cursor controller and keyboard. Theres a way for diskspace to become ram, then ram to be until smooth for Dofus and PUBG.
@@ntgm20 I couldn't read that either, but I think what he was saying is he wants to buy some MINISFORUM computers and use a bunch of cheapo android tablets as the screens. His actual question (imo) is : "Can I run old games off the MINISFORUM box using an android tablet for a screen without losing the touchscreen but still have a keyboard/mouse attached (to the tablet)" and I am fairly sure the answer is absolutely not. That kids dreaming.
Expecting you can provide or suggest a mini pc which can replace a desktop with full power performance in the coming videos, with or without Windows OS, thanks
We use hot tip, but if it isn't a hot tip, is it warm or cold? I don't think that is used in our language, but maybe it really does translate out to that. I do like your comment.
I'm using an older arm based android tv box as a replacement for a raspberry pi atm. I bought 20 of them on fb marketplace for $20 and even though they probably aren't as powerful as a pi 4 the price was right and the one I'm using seems to be working great with octoprint so far. The only negative is linux distros are hard to find for them and I can't get the onboard wifi working but a usb dongle works fine so not a big deal.
i ended up with 3 minisforum PCs with the same CPU, they work OK, but the main issue they have is the really broken Wifi Drivers. full support only until Windows 10 1903 and you need to copy a textfile into system32 to get them to work at all. once they do work....they crash when you try to power the machine off. i did run them as Terminal servers with a modified Windows 10 and currently one of them is my 24/7 WebSDR.
Interesting. I've not done WiFi testing, other than to see it could actually see the SSIDs from 2.4 and 5 GHz networks. WiFi also didn't work out of the box with Xbuntu 22.04. That is something I might look into once I go back to it.
I opened mine up to see what kind of ram was in there so that I could try to upgrade it because it's slow. And I couldn't find a video on upgrading the RAM so I just figured I'd look myself. And now it will not power back up and I have gone in and checked and rechecked everything and I can't understand what is going on. I've had it for 2 days.
Oh no! As for RAM, it is going to be soldered on and not upgradable. As for why it won't power on now I don't know unless it is ESD damage. I didn't have any issue with mine and a friend has bought a couple and opened up with no issues. If you bought from Amazon try to contact them or the seller and see if they will replace or refund.
@@ntgm20 I figured they wouldn't since I had opened it and "tampered" with it. I did manage to get it started back and it would only start with the extra power button that's hidden on the inside, not with the regular power button that you push on the outside. But after more tinkering it started working again. I think something was not seated right somewhere. Hopefully it stays going! I'm still dismayed how slow it is though. I got this to replace my big clunky desktop, but the clunky desktop was faster than this!
It all depends on your requirements and budget. Price history can be found using something like MS Edge's built in tool, and anything with a coupon or slashed price could be good. If something I did a video on looked good and can be picked up for the same price or less I'd say that is a deal.
I do have some basic sites and might build something out, but hadn't thought hard about it. Also hadn't associated those sites with my YT persona. Also, all my Geekbench scores should be accessible under my profile.
i got this in 2018 but id say not to mess with any high power hacks with the cpu as i think mine died from that. it boot halfway then suddenly turn off but im not too sure why but im defo getting a better mini pc for use with the tv
I'm thinking of running some tests to see if cooling can be improved. Otherwise I don't plan on pushing it except to see how well it performs against ARM SBCs. In service it will probably be a bare metal server instance, where my other minis could host VMs or containers.
that chip is notorious for its bottom-of-the-barrel performance on top of driver problems, I remember it well from many years ago when it shipped in some of the cheapest Netbooks and x86 tablets.
I can't say I've ever seen this specific one before, but have experience with Atom based machines and didn't expect any stellar desktop experience. I'm still to test it against a Raspberry Pi 4 but hope to do that in the near future, for benchmarks and services though.
I have Raspberry Pi 4 and 400. They are actually very capable as desktop machines and I use Bato Cera to run classic games. Although the specs say 2 4K displays I recommend only one. Two will bog you down but I run one monitor at 1080p. So just anecdotally, the Pi 4 is significantly faster. You can also run it from an SSD over USB and that is fast. I tried the same with a HDD (mechanical drive) and it is not usable. The PI is also a good way to get Mathematica for free.
I've seen quite a few videos of the Pi 4 / 400 used as desktops. This would probably do a lot better with an optimized or lightweight Linux distro. Max resolution on this Atom though is 1920x1080 x2.
@@AndrewAHayes It is real Mathematica and it part of the RaspPi distribution. It performs better than my original 20 years ago on a PC. It will not, however, run over remote protocol, you have to be directly on the PI.
I own an ACEPC T11 with the same Intel Atom processor that yours has. It came with Windows 10, works well, and you can back up the drivers using a windows utility/command. DISM is the command.
Lol well then he ain't gonna want to give it a chance when over half the games definitely won't run at all! You'd have been better off buying the Kinhank classics HD and just using it with a PC you already have. Then literally the entire thing costs you $60 just boot from that rather than into windows.
No, it is something you see that is probably against the TOS between platform and seller, but they sale another product, get good reviews, then switch product to something that is higher value or more questionable, but it has all those reviews (star power) that people will buy it. Always good to go through reviews on items just to see what people are really saying. Bacon Band-Aids, now those reviews are satirical (if they are still around).
Decent idea. What would you want to see run? I think it could work, but would struggle for any web videos. Documents though would probably work if you were patient.
FWIW I use a 4GB/128GB eMMC X5-Z8350 (MINIX NEO Z83-4 Max) for my always on PC at home, running Home Assistant in a VM, and as a NAS with a 5TB 2.5" HDD. It sips 2W quiescent running Windows 10 Pro. No, it's not a good desktop experience as you say, but it runs HA and as a mini NAS fine: it's perfectly acceptable and responsive in that role.
That is so kind of you to offer! I think it would be expensive to get it from you to me though. I was talking to someone today about benchmarking between x86 and ARM. Have a couple ideas I may test out here, I have a RPi3 and the Odroid-C4 so that could give some comparison to prepare testing against an RPi4.
@@ntgm20 I don't think it would be that bad, so feel free to change your mind, I have 3-4 laying around (replaced all with cheap x86 laptops with broken displays, etc.).
I help churches with their Audio systems, I am seriously thinking about picking some of these mini pc's up for audio recorders , using something like Audacity. Seems like it would work well.
It might. If you were using Windows you'd probably want to go through some sort of debloating process, that should give more headroom. Oh, and pause Windows Updates for 7 days if you need to do a recording. I don't know how well it would handle that and an update at the same time.
That could be but it was marketed as a small desktop machine. What general consumer would know what a thin client is and how to see past the advertising hype.
I just bought Rock5B and OrangePi5 boards which will blow Rpi4 out of the water, performance wise and got also Beelink Mini Pc's with Celeron N5105 and Ryzen 7 6800H Cpu's. You really wanna stay out of any machine having Infamous Intel Atom CPU.
I have a GPD Win (revised model 1) it's got the Z8350, 4GB of RAM, 64GB eMMC storage (though it's faster/better). It too originally came with Windows 10 pro, and yeah it ran like a turd. The reason was it had Windows 10 pro, and not the IoT version that was made for low powered embedded systems (got less internal OS bloatware & telemetry crap) due to Windows 10 being a resource hog choking the performance on the Atom CPUs. I replaced it with Linux Mint and it runs fine with YT (kinda) Heck I played Cuphead in with no problem at 720p. emulation is fine, but it's more like a Raspberry Pi 3 (which I still own) in performance. MP4 .h264 video playback even at 1080p is good, but YT use newer codecs (like H.265 HEVC that this CPU just can not handle.) at the most even in Linux 30fps video playback on YT is the best it'll do.
Thanks for the info. When I was putting the footage together and realized my local VP9 playback wasn't good it isn't surprising YT playback was rough. Those playbacks we're VP9, some lower resolution stuff will be AV1. Some other streaming services are switching to those too or h265. I could have tried that locally but I didn't bother to install the CODEC like I did for the AK2 and GK2.
That sounds great! Though I won't be messing with this machine until the week after Christmas. I'll be running Debian, which Raspian is built off of, so just need to figure out the benchmarking programs or real world examples (GUI or no GUI).
I bought a surface 3 and acer aspire switch 10 back in 2015 and 2014 and those despite great hardware designs and good features were horrible performers even with 4GB of RAM/64GB eMMC on Windows 8.1. Then some friends starting buying x86 SBC boards such as Rockpi4-X in 2019 using same infamous Atom Cpu's and they were also terrible devices, performance wise.
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The motherboard they use is "universal board" that usually i find used in POS and digital signage produced in mid 2015-2019, and that daughter board containing the VGA usually directly hook to embedded display (since the signal is eDP/DP/MIPI compatible) or in some cases, connected to internal DisplayPort hub to run in "mini videotron" mode.
That wouldn't surprise me at all, especially seeing the extra power switch I figured it wasn't designed with this case necessarily in mind. There is one that looks like this with the N4000 and I wonder if it is the same.
About is it worth it or not to be pi 4 replacement, absolutely, in some scenario. Buying good quality powered USB 3.0 hub, couple hard drive with is enclosure, and good quality gigabit USB 3.0 NIC (TP-Link one is quite reliable), you can install a fork of OpenWRT called "Rooter" by modemsofmen, and you can make oversimplified gateway + load balanced 4G/5G/broadband router (yes the OS support tons load of modems compatibility), NAS with samba and NFS, and even running docker if you want it too
@@ntgm20 celeron and pentium board is rarely use for anything else in mind rather than being mini PC or a DIY router board by Chinese manufacturers, for more powerful application like several high resolution digital signage or even multipoint POS, they use core i series processor, i3-81xxU and i5-82xxU series is among the most popular choices, especially because the UHD 630 GPU, they didn't need to make weird board with MXM or even soldered Nvidia/AMD GPUs anymore.
i would think this would be a goodish linux server running pihole/cloud storage duties
I think so too
I like that this machine has legacy ports like VGA, and that it sips power. Interesting that it only takes 5v - I wonder if you could get a USB to barrel plug adapter and power this from another machine's USB port?
Maybe, but most USB that isn't USB 3.1 or PD or special for charging are limited to 500 mA, and this would need about 2 Amps. Power supply is rated for 5 VDC 2500 mA.
Really appreciate you hitting this box with some emulators.
This is 21$ on Amazon US right now if you combine the coupon and the prime deal
Yes! I picked another one up for $20 but someone I shared that with said it was sold out a couple hours later for that price. Very interesting to find for sure.
Got mine for 43$
Great video. Love this.
After watching this video several times, I finally went ahead and got one of these to try out. Only "problem" I seem to have is not being able to run this thing headless (Ubuntu server). So long as I have a monitor plugged in (even if turned off), it's fine. Once I unplug it, however, I seem to never be able to log in through SSH as if it's stuck in boot loop or failing to post (or something). Have you run into this issue?
Oh wow, I hadn't tested it on that but planned to run it headless. Good thing I got a three pack of VGA dummy plugs when I got them for my HP machine. I did notice some odd behaviour last night when swapping VGA cables on a monitor I was testing to sell, had to do a hard reset on the computer. So very weird, requires more investigation later. Thanks for your feedback!
@Not Terrible by Goodmonkey I was just thinking about some dummy plugs after posting the comment, too. Please do let us know how it goes. I'm going to try a more DIY solution and see if that works. Y'know...to keep with the budget theme 😆
@@casper.airsoft I used a resistor with my HP backup machine, that worked until I had the dummy plugs. I also had the resistor on hand, which is why I went that way first.
@@ntgm20 yup, cheap but effective...in a pinch :😀
Thanking subscribers before the video and doing it in 6 seconds?
SUBBED :)
Well I was gonna anyway, but that seals it.
Thanks! Even just a couple months ago I was looking at over anothet year to pass 1k, and growth before that showed it would be another 13 years or so. 1k passed and now about to pass 2k I need to get my interview script ready and send my reporter to the park (details of fall subscriber drive).
@@ntgm20 just keep making good content and don't worry about building numbers.
That's how most good RUclipsrs become cash whores and their content hits the toilet. PLEASE NO! Lol.
You don't want millions of non paying subbies bro, what you want is a fewer number of paying people! So for instance, if you were to start making great content that was directly useful to me here, I would definitely sub for £££.
There is a new generation of people like me, in their 30s or 40s who cancelled all their live TV and have all that money laying around to spend on RUclips creators.
We are just waiting for them to start realising this :D That's where these others are going wrong. They sell themselves cheap and end up with millions of hangers on.
You want to go the 8BitGuy route, and not put all your effort into building numbers. He started with a low number of paying people and ended up with millions anyway!
Understood. Right now the channel is my experience, except the cartoons they are just fun. True, I've bought a few more minis to test because I think people like seeing them, but I really have ideas for my own to use them, and when I get there will share some of that too.
I've watched a fair bit of 8BitGuy. I like his approach, but I'm also not going for this as my regular job, unless something really weird happens. Right now I just try to keep my productions not terrible.
I see your use of the Pounds Sterling character. Are you based in the UK? I lived over there for a couple years a decade or so ago.
If an android tablet can it be monitor of this? I have idea of cybercafe to be a bunch of mini computers of old games like dota, counterstrike and lf2, then mirc to be arnd for connecting to game room(to join) - then another is having android cybercafe for Mobile Legends and PUBG. If mmorpg - Dofus.
All using cursor controller and keyboard. Theres a way for diskspace to become ram, then ram to be until smooth for Dofus and PUBG.
Are you asking if a tablet can be a monitor? I'm unsure what you are asking.
@@ntgm20 I couldn't read that either, but I think what he was saying is he wants to buy some MINISFORUM computers and use a bunch of cheapo android tablets as the screens.
His actual question (imo) is : "Can I run old games off the MINISFORUM box using an android tablet for a screen without losing the touchscreen but still have a keyboard/mouse attached (to the tablet)" and I am fairly sure the answer is absolutely not. That kids dreaming.
Expecting you can provide or suggest a mini pc which can replace a desktop with full power performance in the coming videos, with or without Windows OS, thanks
Hopefully have an answer this weekend
You know it's a budget PC when all you get is a "warm tip" and not even a hot one 😂
We use hot tip, but if it isn't a hot tip, is it warm or cold? I don't think that is used in our language, but maybe it really does translate out to that. I do like your comment.
Would be intresting to see , how it keeps up against a J 4125 or N5095. Thx for the Vidoe
If the Celerons ran two VMs this would probably like the bare metal version of the VMs.
I'm using an older arm based android tv box as a replacement for a raspberry pi atm. I bought 20 of them on fb marketplace for $20 and even though they probably aren't as powerful as a pi 4 the price was right and the one I'm using seems to be working great with octoprint so far. The only negative is linux distros are hard to find for them and I can't get the onboard wifi working but a usb dongle works fine so not a big deal.
Sounds like a good deal.
jeez, you selling any of them? lol
i ended up with 3 minisforum PCs with the same CPU, they work OK, but the main issue they have is the really broken Wifi Drivers. full support only until Windows 10 1903 and you need to copy a textfile into system32 to get them to work at all. once they do work....they crash when you try to power the machine off. i did run them as Terminal servers with a modified Windows 10 and currently one of them is my 24/7 WebSDR.
Interesting. I've not done WiFi testing, other than to see it could actually see the SSIDs from 2.4 and 5 GHz networks. WiFi also didn't work out of the box with Xbuntu 22.04. That is something I might look into once I go back to it.
I opened mine up to see what kind of ram was in there so that I could try to upgrade it because it's slow. And I couldn't find a video on upgrading the RAM so I just figured I'd look myself. And now it will not power back up and I have gone in and checked and rechecked everything and I can't understand what is going on. I've had it for 2 days.
Oh no! As for RAM, it is going to be soldered on and not upgradable. As for why it won't power on now I don't know unless it is ESD damage. I didn't have any issue with mine and a friend has bought a couple and opened up with no issues. If you bought from Amazon try to contact them or the seller and see if they will replace or refund.
@@ntgm20 I figured they wouldn't since I had opened it and "tampered" with it. I did manage to get it started back and it would only start with the extra power button that's hidden on the inside, not with the regular power button that you push on the outside. But after more tinkering it started working again. I think something was not seated right somewhere. Hopefully it stays going! I'm still dismayed how slow it is though. I got this to replace my big clunky desktop, but the clunky desktop was faster than this!
Interesting video, appreciated.
Thank you!
do you have any black friday mini pc recommendations?
It all depends on your requirements and budget. Price history can be found using something like MS Edge's built in tool, and anything with a coupon or slashed price could be good. If something I did a video on looked good and can be picked up for the same price or less I'd say that is a deal.
do you have a website to keep all the score you got from each device you test, and the date tested
I do have some basic sites and might build something out, but hadn't thought hard about it. Also hadn't associated those sites with my YT persona.
Also, all my Geekbench scores should be accessible under my profile.
i got this in 2018 but id say not to mess with any high power hacks with the cpu as i think mine
died from that. it boot halfway then suddenly turn off but im not too sure why but im defo getting a better mini pc for use with the tv
I'm thinking of running some tests to see if cooling can be improved. Otherwise I don't plan on pushing it except to see how well it performs against ARM SBCs. In service it will probably be a bare metal server instance, where my other minis could host VMs or containers.
Thanks GM. I cant wait to see that Ryzen.
It is up now! Ryzen 5 5560U.
that chip is notorious for its bottom-of-the-barrel performance on top of driver problems, I remember it well from many years ago when it shipped in some of the cheapest Netbooks and x86 tablets.
I can't say I've ever seen this specific one before, but have experience with Atom based machines and didn't expect any stellar desktop experience. I'm still to test it against a Raspberry Pi 4 but hope to do that in the near future, for benchmarks and services though.
Perhaps use it for pfsense/openwrt
Perhaps depending on your Internet speeds.
Just wondering if this mini pc will run ChromeOS Flex?
Not certain. All the mini PCs are in transit right now to the place I'm moving. Maybe I can try that out if I remember.
That would be great if you can. Flex seems to be getting popular. I'll keep watching!
Just bought mine for 43$! I'm just gonna tinker with it.
Very cool! You'll probably have more done with it than I will for a while. I want to explore better cooling when laying flat like in the picture.
I have Raspberry Pi 4 and 400. They are actually very capable as desktop machines and I use Bato Cera to run classic games. Although the specs say 2 4K displays I recommend only one. Two will bog you down but I run one monitor at 1080p. So just anecdotally, the Pi 4 is significantly faster. You can also run it from an SSD over USB and that is fast. I tried the same with a HDD (mechanical drive) and it is not usable. The PI is also a good way to get Mathematica for free.
I've seen quite a few videos of the Pi 4 / 400 used as desktops. This would probably do a lot better with an optimized or lightweight Linux distro. Max resolution on this Atom though is 1920x1080 x2.
Is that Wolfram Mathematica? and if so how does one get it free for Pi?
@@AndrewAHayes It is real Mathematica and it part of the RaspPi distribution. It performs better than my original 20 years ago on a PC. It will not, however, run over remote protocol, you have to be directly on the PI.
I own an ACEPC T11 with the same Intel Atom processor that yours has. It came with Windows 10, works well, and you can back up the drivers using a windows utility/command. DISM is the command.
Thanks! I may have to look more into that command. I normally do manual file backups using robocopy.
You should give the Intel Atom version of Batocera a chance. I have an Atom-based tablet and Batocera runs pretty decent ( PS1 and up will not run)..
Lol well then he ain't gonna want to give it a chance when over half the games definitely won't run at all!
You'd have been better off buying the Kinhank classics HD and just using it with a PC you already have.
Then literally the entire thing costs you $60 just boot from that rather than into windows.
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Am I mistaken, or are the product comments on Amazon satirical?
No, it is something you see that is probably against the TOS between platform and seller, but they sale another product, get good reviews, then switch product to something that is higher value or more questionable, but it has all those reviews (star power) that people will buy it. Always good to go through reviews on items just to see what people are really saying. Bacon Band-Aids, now those reviews are satirical (if they are still around).
@@ntgm20 I see! That's really unethical, should probably flag/report it to Amazon as well (if they actually care)
I would like to see how this runs a Linux desktop, maybe Mint and the Cinnamon desktop
Decent idea. What would you want to see run? I think it could work, but would struggle for any web videos. Documents though would probably work if you were patient.
FWIW I use a 4GB/128GB eMMC X5-Z8350 (MINIX NEO Z83-4 Max) for my always on PC at home, running Home Assistant in a VM, and as a NAS with a 5TB 2.5" HDD. It sips 2W quiescent running Windows 10 Pro.
No, it's not a good desktop experience as you say, but it runs HA and as a mini NAS fine: it's perfectly acceptable and responsive in that role.
I love that you used quiescent!
Ping me if you want RPI4. I only have 2GB versions, but I'd be happy to share to support the channel :)
That is so kind of you to offer! I think it would be expensive to get it from you to me though. I was talking to someone today about benchmarking between x86 and ARM. Have a couple ideas I may test out here, I have a RPi3 and the Odroid-C4 so that could give some comparison to prepare testing against an RPi4.
@@ntgm20 I don't think it would be that bad, so feel free to change your mind, I have 3-4 laying around (replaced all with cheap x86 laptops with broken displays, etc.).
@@rklauco Thanks! If you want to hit me up on the about page, there is contact information there and we can see.
I help churches with their Audio systems, I am seriously thinking about picking some of these mini pc's up for audio recorders , using something like Audacity. Seems like it would work well.
It might. If you were using Windows you'd probably want to go through some sort of debloating process, that should give more headroom. Oh, and pause Windows Updates for 7 days if you need to do a recording. I don't know how well it would handle that and an update at the same time.
Yup
Seems more intended like a thin client than a mini desktop.
That could be but it was marketed as a small desktop machine. What general consumer would know what a thin client is and how to see past the advertising hype.
I just bought Rock5B and OrangePi5 boards which will blow Rpi4 out of the water, performance wise and got also Beelink Mini Pc's with Celeron N5105 and Ryzen 7 6800H Cpu's. You really wanna stay out of any machine having Infamous Intel Atom CPU.
Probably right, just looking at x86 alternatives to low powered ARM computers. This one was interesting to take apart.
I have a GPD Win (revised model 1) it's got the Z8350, 4GB of RAM, 64GB eMMC storage (though it's faster/better). It too originally came with Windows 10 pro, and yeah it ran like a turd. The reason was it had Windows 10 pro, and not the IoT version that was made for low powered embedded systems (got less internal OS bloatware & telemetry crap) due to Windows 10 being a resource hog choking the performance on the Atom CPUs. I replaced it with Linux Mint and it runs fine with YT (kinda) Heck I played Cuphead in with no problem at 720p. emulation is fine, but it's more like a Raspberry Pi 3 (which I still own) in performance. MP4 .h264 video playback even at 1080p is good, but YT use newer codecs (like H.265 HEVC that this CPU just can not handle.) at the most even in Linux 30fps video playback on YT is the best it'll do.
Thanks for the info. When I was putting the footage together and realized my local VP9 playback wasn't good it isn't surprising YT playback was rough. Those playbacks we're VP9, some lower resolution stuff will be AV1. Some other streaming services are switching to those too or h265. I could have tried that locally but I didn't bother to install the CODEC like I did for the AK2 and GK2.
If it's a pi4b+ you're looking for, I can work with that!
That sounds great! Though I won't be messing with this machine until the week after Christmas. I'll be running Debian, which Raspian is built off of, so just need to figure out the benchmarking programs or real world examples (GUI or no GUI).
Linux . Bringing the hobby feel back to desktop computing
That is the truth of it.
I bought a surface 3 and acer aspire switch 10 back in 2015 and 2014 and those despite great hardware designs and good features were horrible performers even with 4GB of RAM/64GB eMMC on Windows 8.1. Then some friends starting buying x86 SBC boards such as Rockpi4-X in 2019 using same infamous Atom Cpu's and they were also terrible devices, performance wise.
I get it, but I did pick a second one up for $19.99 on sale.
i have a pie 4 b
Very cool. Have you had other Pi's or similar SBCs before? If so, how do you like it compared to the others?
The stakes are about to Bee Ryzen.
The Ryzen is up next! Wonder if I can get it done before next weekend.
You must have been a veeery bad boy to deserve such a cruel self punishment .. 😮😆
This was a rough one, but easy on the budget.
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I wonder if I chose the wrong word for this video. :)
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First nope seen!
ahhhh another NO BUY
That is in part why I'm sharing my thoughts. I think for my use (non desktop) it will work, but it as sold as a desktop device.
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Very cool name there