Skill AMP or Critical damage? Which is better? - Cabal Online
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Ahoy!
So there's always a debate going on somewhere whenever a player asks for advice on whether he should focus on critical damage or skill amp when choosing a new amulet, using buff potions, filling the slots of his weapons, and so on...
Let me help you decide which is better for you!
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A few notes:
1) This is NOT a damage calculator! The sole purpose of the video and the excel sheet is to help you decide if you should get amp or crit dmg in your next item, slot ,etc...
2) Stop requesting access to Google drive! You can make a copy of it for yourself or download it, but I can't give access to anyone else for fear of them modifying the original file and ruining it for future viewers!
3) The first scenario, (1000 damage, 0% amp, cd, 0 everything else) is absolutely not realistic, and impossible to achieve, and it is true that would mean having 1000 attack, but due to complications with the damage calculation formula, it would be very inaccurate to count attack too. That is why I use an imaginary "damage multiplier" stat, which multiplies 1 with the amp*nd or amp*cd values, and has nothing to do with attack or your final damage! Its only purpose is to show if amp or cd is better for you, and for that it has worked in every situation I've tried ingame (except for obviously huge resistances in special cases).
4) Credits for the idea of using weighted average go to EdegarPereira, who brought that method to my attention in the comments of an earlier video.
Wich recommend for a Wizzard?
simple explanation CD is better in dungeon farming and in pvp amp is better because most of the player in pvp use rcr so you need to make sure that even without crit you deal high normal damage
This will help a lot. I don't regret subscribing to your channel.
Ahoy!
Thank you for making these kind of content, I've been playing cabal since 2007 but I stopped playing because I'm too young back then and it's too complicated for me. I started playing again and starting watching your videos so I could understand things in cabal, it's too complex. Your videos made it easier to understand it. Keep making informative videos.
Don't stop
Long live!
(Cabal PH)
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Personaly, I've always seen it like: hand, boots, suit = amp. , head and weapon(s) = CD.
I have a more simple explanation.
1%AMP=2%CD (at 50% critical rate).
If player has less than 50% CR then AMP is better, if more then CD is better.
This means that AMP is better for players with bad gear and CD is better for players with endgame gear (when they have a lot of CR and MCR).
Yea but you cant go without amp either. Even end game gear your still looking at 3 slot amp and/or 2 amp and 1 max crit rate, you get a lot more crit dmg from Upgrades (like divine) vs amp. Supporting my conclusion that having 1:2 ratio of amp to crit dmg still holds.
For some reason, using the formula from the video amp seems to outclass CD by an even larger ratio. I'm not sure if i did anything wrong but i used my fairly standard equipment (7-8 amp armor parts; 7 amp/16 CD craft + 20 cd slots weapons and helmet;... this kind of stuff) and in my case (and even if i give myself 100 cd more; I'm close to 60 CR) 7 amp is better than 16 CD in every case... That's news to me since i was planning on replacing my 7 amp craft weapons with 16 cd craft weapons but the calculation tells me not to go this way.
16 cd absolutely higher damage output rather that 7%amp.. try it.. use ur 1 hand weapon with fatal option compare to outrageous.. (when crit)
Someone will explode hs brain with this... Thanks a lot MrAhoy ♥
amp is very important for natural damage boost/penetration. it opens the doors to crits. crits do explosive damage so it is also seductive to chase high crit equipment. amp is very important still if not more for being the foundation
I prefer a balanced amp and cdi. Also consider your cr and your target's rcr. After they introduced rcr Im not confident with just 50 mcr I prefer 65~70 cr cap and cdi dont trigger all the time so I go with balanced build.
Where do you pull in that maxCrate from? I'm at 58 and have +1 once I upgrade Orph amulet. So it's worth sacrificing 1 amp slot in gear for a maxCrate?
Edit: I always keep forgetting you can have it from pet slots, but man is that expensive >.
I also vote for getting around 70% mcr, or if you're pvp oriented even more.
@DenisK, I'd sacrifice an amp slot for 3% mcr anytime, even if I had a pet with 10% mcr it would definitely be worth it in my opinion as long as filling it with rate is an option.
Helpful as much to understand cabal! Thank you!❤️
at long last a video from you~ yes~, plz upload more tip and advice, you've helped me out so much~!
Since damage changes in bm
And you mostly are in bm
This calculation is all right but it cant be used with some reliable result
Thanks anw
the best build from my opinion..
75mcr... 3%costume 10%pet and master eq epic 3% each..
suit boot glove slotted quad amp
helm.. my opinion is cr cr amp.
slotted... epic cd
aura just change helm..
weapon epic cd.. slot depend on which class u are..
example if fb.. put amp cd cd... if need cr like wiz.. put cr amp cd
with this build.. one could reach around 250 to 300 amp..
400+- cd.. pene depend on extreme u got
ratio is 1amp : 1.5cd
I really do appreciate your videos man, thanks!
AMP SET is for Player to Player, because most of them have High Resist Critical Rate which makes your CD SET weaker.
CD SET is for MOBS, because most of the mobs in cabal doesn't have a high Resist Critical Rate so that CD/CR can penetrate well.
If only.
Most players of cabal I played don’t have much resist critical rate. And I’m a force shielder so damage would be better
wow this is very helpful guide ! thank u 🙏🏻
now this i understand
You're welcome!
I'm just here because I love hearing you speak. :)
There is a simply math explaination for this . If two numbers are multiplier each other u need to decrease the range for higher results . Its like 3x3=9 > 4x2=8 > 5x1=6 but there is a critical rate too . All u need to do is if u have %50 critical rate you need to 100 amp 200 critical dmg for better dps . Final equation like this AMPx(C.RxC.DMG) so if you have %70 critical rate 70 amp equal with 100 critical damage but if you have %50 crit rate 70 amp equal to 140 crit damage . Simply just multiplier crit dmg option with ur crit rate and check result if its higher than amp option choose crit dmg if its lower choose the amp option ;)
Example: if you wanna choose between 12 amp or 27 crit dmg siena braclet . U need to multiplier with ur crit rate if u have %40 crit rate choose amp if you have %50 crit rate definently choose crit dmg 27x0.5=13 > 12 amp . Thats why because max crit rate most important thing in cabal . Ahoy seaman
I still believe weighted average (the formula I used) provides a much more realistic result, so I disagree with your statement of "AMPx(C.RxC.DMG)".
@@1minuteCABALguides both of you guys are right in my opinion! weighted average provides a realistic result indeed, but it compares maximum potential "damage multiplier" of a critical hit versus a non critical hit. But when calculating the maximum damage multiplier of a critical hit, there should be another weight factor of critical damage vs amp, because weight of amp and critical damage is different at different states of critical rate. For example, if i wanted to find out what to use in my helmet, amp or critical damage, and i used the formula (1+amp)x(1+cd) to calculate damage multiplier without considering critical rate, it would recommend me to put amp in, altho for what i know i have 100% rate, so actually critical damage would be the wise choice.
Nice one . Thx . I will share it with my friends
The conversation ingame of amp/cdi is 1:2 at B in 3:28 for example it must be 100/460
Thanks for the information. AHOY!
You are welcome!
dont forget the fact: the most skills have an intern amp for itself (its about 100 amp)
That is a really good point that I forgot to warn about in the video indeed! Thanks.
However, the amp values really depends on the skill and the class, and in case of strong skills, sword classes usually have some "yellow text" that greatly increases damage in certain cases.
Critical Damage Rely on critical rate, if you don't crit the less damage you have. So if you know that you don't always crit then it's better to go with Amp specially in war
Ooooh nice tip there.... I actually can kill someone but still lost lol 🙈
I would like to clarify a common misconception of players: Amp (aka amplification) is a factor that directly interacts with the character's attack, in other words Amp mainly affects the non-critical portion of your damage (yellow numbers). The exact way this occurred in Cabal in the past was by multiplying the character's attack times the sum of the character's amp plus the skill amp, ie: [Attack] * [1 + ((Character Amp + Skill Amp) / 100 )] = your non-critical damage (disregarding the target's defenses, additional damage, and minumum damage). And since your critical damage is calculated using this value, your critical damage is also increased indirectly, just as it would be increased if you added more attack on the character. Since we have no clue that this logic changed after the Rising Force update so it is wrong for players to assume that "Amp is for both normal and critical damage", this is wrong as one is only a consequence of the other. It would be the same as saying that a defensive debuff serves both normal and critical damage, again wrong because the consequence of decreasing the target's defense is increased normal damage which in turn increased critical damage.
Nossa, me lembro de você do fórum... Imortal!
@@deividmendonca9886 Do fórum laranja ou do azul? Os dois eram bacanas naquela época de ouro, pena isso não existir mais hoje em dia.
@@EdegarPereira cheguei a ver você nos dois eu acho, lembrei da sua foto que você usa a algum tempo... Você tem jogado alguma coisa?
@@EdegarPereira Parei totalmente com cabal, sem tempo nenhum pra jogar e me mudei recentemente, to sem pc ainda. Hahaha
@@deividmendonca9886 Eu já vinha jogando com bem pouca vontade até ano passado, até que parei em definitivo com o Cabal. Ainda tenho meu char manco pra entrar e bater papo com a galera em raras ocasiões. Eu joguei por uns seis meses o Lineage 2 Revolution no emulador de Androiod, o jogo era bom consumia literalmente 24h por dia em farm, até que um momento decidi parar. Atualmente jogo bem pouco mas estou no hype de jogar a nova DLC de Monster Hunter World que está incrível.
omg so nice nd well explained thumbs up!
Penetration is probably ignore defense, since sometimes on fb you can hit a wall with aoc and elemental enchant..but it happens only on low defense mobs. Elemental enchant won t increase your damage as it should and i am pretty sure it is because the mob defense is calculated as 0 or a mininal def value nobody knows. This doesnt happen in high dungeons. This can be easily replicated by using elemental enchant on buffalos in the first eca wave. If you have somewhat strong penetration stats elementap enchant will do NOTHING
Been experimenting with that too, indeed. Was going to make a video after getting a siena's bracelet with the same stats but without penetration slot as 1 of my older bracelets, so I basically had a way to remove 50 penetration any time I wanted.
It's definitely ignore defense, but from my experience it's not a ratio of 1:1. Indeed it seemed +50 pene gave almost the same amount of extra damage on some high-end mob as -100 def on the target. If I were to guess it's at around -90 def or so. What I'm wondering about is whether the results would be similar for other players too, who have different values. It seems flat to me, not percentage based.
fast skills amp better , bigattack skills cd better thats all ,still balance everything
which is better amp or cd ? the answer is PENETRATION ahahhahah AHOY!
Fair enough. If only we could put that in the slots of armor! :)
@@1minuteCABALguides we can get them at 4 to 6 eu XD its plenty enough XD btw great explanation on the vid.
I guess you right but, i think max critical rate is a must have too. (?)
as of now a well balanced ratio is 70:100 70 amp 100 cdi. at 75% crit rate. The rest of the balance depends on your target. i prefer more cdi on mwar because of the debuffs from other players but on a 1on1 situation ill prefer a slightly bigger amp. I'm a warrior main btw so personally overall i prefer cdi for a higher burst damage when i cast panic cry.
err long story short:
amp for increased raw damage
CD for increased critical damage
if you rely on raw damage, go for amp
if you're confident in critical hits, go for CD
thanks i understand more. Please add more videos specifically for normal player or beginners, ideal amp cdi, cri defense and equipment for a specific dungeon thanks ahoy!
There is no such thing as "requirements" for a specific dungeon, and any approximation would vary depending on the class, and most importantly THE PLAYER behind the character! His tactics and "gameplay skill" determine most of the outcome.
@@1minuteCABALguides okay, i think i should have posted this on forum not here. I understand that your content is much more for triple amp players but Thanks anyway
The answer is!: Drumroll - The higher you can get both together, the better :P
great video ! thank you
just curiosity.. is usefull gloves/armor 3 slotted mcr(7%)? i saw some items like that, they worth it or just a waste?
I think that's a bit of an overkill. Sure it's nice to have criticals on every hit, but you also need some source of damage or your crits might be useless. I think the optimal is master's item with mcr in only the 1st slot.
nice guide, i have a question. In Tg, wizard works better with full amp orbs?, or 2 slots cdi and third slot amp/cri?
I've never had the chance to test that, but guessing amp, seeing as almost everyone opponent that can actually deal damage has 70%+ crit resistance set.
Ahoy! I have a question. Is my computation correct?
For example,
enemy has 10% resist critical rate
i have 85/80 (crit rate/max crit rate)
would my net critical rate become 70%?
Thanks!
Ahoy! That is correct indeed.
Thanksbfor sharing watchman. More interesting video tips 🤗 More power!
How about the skill its have 50-100%+ amps so ur gonna concentrate to cdi and max crit rate??
Heya! I have a question because I tested almost everything and now that I've seen your video I'm confused. Isn't critical in general supposed to be double the damage? So in your calculation at 1:37 doesn't the 0% CD has to be 2000 damage? Because that's the whole point of critical in general, double the damage, even if you have 0% CD.
Ahoy! No indeed, if you make a lvl 1 char it starts with 20% critical damage, meaning 1.2 times the damage of normal hits. Now as far as I know that is also the lowest possible limit - in the early days I tried messing around with the debuff of that boss in AoS2 and managed to reach a negative critical damage value with her debuff, and the crits were still just a bit more powerful than normal attacks, which I guess means in damage calculation it's capped at minimum 1.2 times the damage.
Then critical damage doesn't make sense then. That's the purpose of CRITICAL in every game, double the damage of a normal attack.
Bro observe in other games like mu. Critical damage is different from double damage.
I'm not sure what is the "normal damage up" stat you mention in the video. Is it "minimum damage"?
They are not the same. Minimum damage is basically some old stat that has almost entirely no effect anymore, just got left in the game.
Normal damage up does the same thing as critical damage up, but applies to non-crit hits (yellow numbers, not blue).
1:14 how you calculate 1000*(1+100/100)
You mean 1000*(101/100)
1000*1.01
Right?
Ahoyyy. May i ask if you also give your builds or opinion in latest ep?like now you can put penetration into the game like. should i go for pentration epic on bike and 3slot pene? or is amp better? hope you notice me mr ahoy. i just return playing cabal but my knowledge is too obsolete i played cabal way back 2010 and i started playing 3 days ago 😁
Ahoy! Well the thing is, people who can afford to put penetration in a bike probably already have better gear than I do, so I cannot guide them :) Penetration bikes are really end-game items, and here in EU-Mercury you probably won't be making one before spending a 100 billion alz on other parts of your equipment first.
1st..Pene = - enemy defense.. each mob defense is diffrent.. example if tempus have 1k defense.. your pene is 1000.. meaning u attack naked boss...
2nd..AMP..
multiply by % how much basic attack u got.. example 3k your basic and 200Amp.. meaning u got 9k attack dealing..
3rd..CD..
multiply attack after calculated by amp and pene.. if 9k like example i give.. and u got 400cd.. u will deal 45k dmg..
4th..Final dmg increase..
u can have from talisman.. 6% example.. 45K x106%.. 47700..
5th.. add damage..
if u got 300.. so total dmg u deal is 48k
3k attack exclude skill calc....amp 200 cd 400 and the boss no rcd ramp ignore pene @naked...
belon pop and are atk rate are like accuracy so u wont miss?
@@stephenj2844 no.. attack rate opposite to def rate.. accuracy opposite to evasion..
u have 10k d.rate can lead to BLOCK at most dg up to eod3.. every class may vary.. wiz 8k d.rate can tank ninja ez if u got dmg.. depend on plays timing buffs and so on..
while evasion... let say max dex fb.. without earring guard and eva item.. u get around 2k +-... its like 20% MISS
u can say 10k=100%.. but dont forget.. last time max evasion % only 95 applied max..
from my experience 11 years play this.. def rate and eva works together..
if u eat eva pot lv4..9k.. didnt guarantee MISS 100%..
hope this tiny info help u
belon pop i think i get it now. Thanks!
Pretty sure pene doesn't work that way, as I've tried comparing the damage difference of pene potion and defense debuff ( equal amounts) and penetration's damage increase was much greater.
Evasion also doesn't work that way, except maybe if your attacker has 0 accuracy (which is impossible even for a nipperlug).
But the point is the same, penetration is OP and def rate/eva are the best defensive stats for survival (apart from HP steal but that's kind of more like offensive than defensive)!
Hi Watchman, thank you for the video.
However, I am confused about one detail.
According to some sources, critical damage is applied AFTER defense and other mitigations have been substracted in the damage calculation.
According to that information, the formula would look roughly like this:
((Attack * Amp) - (Defense + Dmg Reduction)) * Critical Dmg = Final Damage
Do you know if this might be true? Because if so, that would make Amp significantly better than it is in your calculations.
As far as I know it's only damage reduction that's applied after critical damage. That is why in the case of some events bosses, or the cave monster in AFI you may hit close to 1 with non-criticals, but thousands with criticals. But once again, since we don't know the defense value of anything in the game, nor how exactly it works, I didn't take that into calculations.
Also I did not claim (attack * amp) works this way. It could be totally different.
@@1minuteCABALguides Thanks for your answer. I only came back to Cabal very recently. The last time I played was when Transcender skills were first put into the game. And back in those days, we actually knew the exact dmg formula and were able to calculate the defense values of mobs accurately. I remember having spreadsheets and using them to optimize my equipment.
I just wonder how much the dmg formula was exactly changed. Because in the old formula, critical dmg WAS applied after defense (there was no dmg redction back then) and I remember AMP being much better than CD for that reason.
Oh well, I guess I'll just use a balanced mix of AMP and CD until someone figures out the new formula.
@@davidb6906 To be honest I once started an attempt at deciphering it, noting dozens of damage values with the same skill, while only making small changes, one at a time to my m.attack, m.amp and penetration values. The problem is, the only few softwares out there capable of using interpolation/extrapolation for data like that (4 variables) is terribly hard to use and I found no resources on how to do that. Asking around on stackexchange mathematics section only revealed even more complicated methods with machine learning and AI and at that point I thanked the people responding and gave up. So yeah, that's up to someone else to do!
@@1minuteCABALguides Haha, yes that is pretty much my experience as well. It's just too complicated for me. Perhaps someone else will do it. Again, thank you for your answers. And I'll probably message you again once I reach lvl 190 to ask for a guild invite ;P (currently 167)
HI man , could you please do a Force Blader guide pls . For stats , skills , buffs etc.. Thank you :D
Ahoy! Unfortunately I know very little of any of those classes, so I would rather not spread wrong information.
Agreed with this one. Which class is better BL or FB and is amp or cd is the best of these two classes. Ahoy @1 minute cabal guide
@@1minuteCABALguides Agreed with this one. Which class is better BL or FB and is amp or cd is the best of these two classes. Ahoy @1 minute cabal guide
I think the bottom line here is "balance", finding the point where increasing a certain stat will greatly contribute to the damage.
Like,if you have too much crit damage and you still pursue to add more, the resulting damage will not change so much.
But if you add amp instead (even just a little), the resulting damage will jump up higher
Well noted, that is the key! :) Don't rely on the same thing too much.
Does AMP scale with M.Att, wondering since i play on a non offical stats server
It's your attack or m.attack that is multiplied by your amp supposedly, but in reality it's a lot more complicated than that and the developers won't tell us. On an unofficial server, it might be completely different, depends on what the server's owner made it work like. You should inquire there.
1 minute CABAL guides ok ty 😉
Hello.
Thanks for all the videos,
can you share an information about Flee Rate and Evasion? What’s the difference between them two?
Thanks
Ahoy!
Flee rate is the outdated, old version of evasion. It was replaced with evasion like 6-7 years ago or so, and its counterpart is accuracy now.
i feel like im in a math class, but this time i get everything.
weird.
Nice aportation😁 thx
quick question TG, nation war - many ppl full rcr, hard to crit them. WI + full amp build will work ?
It should work well as long as your opponent doesn't realize this and won't change his gear back to normal. You'll be at a huge disadvantage if he isn't wearing any resist stuff.
But generally it's almost impossible to defeat anything/anyone in this game without critical hits.
@@1minuteCABALguides on server where im playing is possible to get 82% rcr max. and we can have max 85 mcr so its like 3% chance for crit. so need pure amp i guess
@@dawid4877 Well this is what ignore resistances are for - overlord 40, GI collection page, and ircr rune and you've already got +10% rate against those enemies. If your budget is high enough to rework your entire set for PVP then I presume you'd be able to afford another 3% in a vehicle costume. That already makes the chances considerably better!
AHOY! Im making a FG and i can't decide between 11 and 12% CDI prideus or regular bracelet of sage+7.
+7's are 133M and prideus goes for 20M. So which one will give me more dmg? It depends on how much amp and cdi i have already like you told me in the video, right? Also i could get 7% cid and 3% amp prideus instead of full cdi.
Ahoy! That is pretty much what the entire video was about. I would recommend actually watching it and using the calculations mentioned :)
Zechs Merquise the bracelet os sage is better because it gives higher magic atk and amp
Will you pls give me a link of updated stat point distribution increase on todays update?I have one inhand but I wonder if its still applicable today. I am FA and I noticed that we no longer have offensive bless? and FS are the only class now that had resist intension which have 50% resist stun, down and forgot the other one.
and what I read now is that str now add resist stun, down and the other one.
cabaleu.playthisgame.com/en/News/Content/5641#list_03-3
Here are the patch notes with the STR/INT/DEX table in the link.
Offensive bless was merged into Sharpness some 3-4 years ago, so there are fewer buffs to conflict in huge parties.
ahoy. I hope u notice this.
which is better for my wizard weapon.
already acquired 1 weapon with cdi/msa/cri
. I want ur advice which one is better for my 2nd orb.
(cdi/msa/cri or msa/msa/cri. )
wich one is better?
Ahoy! Magic amp in weapon is mostly aimed for high-tier players, who do PVP a lot and who have extreme upgrade 4 or higher on their weapons. If you don't, then I'd suggest cri/cd/cd. Especially because wizard has very high amounts of amp and low amounts of CD so it's more beneficial to increase CD until some point. But otherwise it doesn't make too much difference. But here in EU, CD scroll costs 1m alz, and MSA costs 4b alz.
@@1minuteCABALguides so better cdi/msa/rate cm pallad orb 2x. coz' I need to fill up may mcri 64/72%. im using both for mission war and farming..
@@DhelrosVirtual The most important thing is filling all your max rate, and getting at least 70-75% (or even 80% for endgame builds).
@@1minuteCABALguides yeah that s why I need 2 weap with cri each.
Ahoy!!! I started to play Cabal Online NA after couple of years not playing and I have a question to ask you. I started to play with a blader and I wondering which passive skills should I take. I believe the defense rate is much more reliable than defense on it's own, since I'm a dungeon runner. Just need to know your oppinion, what passive should I take.
1. Defense
2. Defense rate
Ahoy thanks :)
Ahoy!
Got a video about this subject, hope it helps:
ruclips.net/video/gqmPoBzD7z0/видео.html
But when we have "ignore resist critical rate" and "ignore resist critical damage" then we just have to add it to crit rate and crit dmg or are they ignored?
That's the part where things get more complicated. As far as I know those "ignore ..." stats only add up to your own stat as long as the target has enough of the resistance to be ignored. So if you've got 60% rate and 5% ignore resist rate, but the target only has 2% resist rate, it will be 62% not 65%. Emphasis on as far as I know.
Do you got any tips for new players? I used to play Cabal a long ago and decided to go back with my friend. But I find it very hard to grasp my head around economy rn, everything that seems like a worth piece of equip is priced in billions and I don't see how to get that kind of alz. How to get "okish" equip for start? My friend and I are around 160ish level but we are getting rekt in dungeons or bosses take forever to kill. Any tips also where to level from 160+, since quest that give exp are sacrace at this point.
Ahoy!
I can recommend a few videos that I hope you will find useful:
This video series is about what kind of gear and stats you should aim for during the game. It has 3 episodes, the 2nd will probably be most interesting for you but I linked the 1st in case you want to watch it anyway.
ruclips.net/video/hMgYvZPPLGY/видео.html
Me levelling up a new character, with some tips on EXP (though I admit the levels after 160-170 until 180 are the hardest probably)
ruclips.net/video/Nmy9a1RMFC4/видео.html
As for the alz farming part, unfortunately even most of the higher level/gear players have problems with that. At least in EU your only reliable sources of income are selling cores, craft materials and some dungeon-specific items. Problem is, you will have to farm a LOT! That means not just 2-3 runs a day, more like 20-30 to have even a realistic chance of getting anything good over a few months. I would recommend choosing some dungeon that has the above mentioned "specific" drops (like Prideus's bracelet pieces from extracting bracelets in AoS1, Siena's bracelet in AoS2, Killian's craft material in EoD2, etc...), and generally extracting most of the items you find for force core pieces and upgrade core pieces. I can guarantee it will take a long time though!
The only alternative is whenever there is an event going on in the game. Collect&exchange type of events are usually the best for that, since you can farm the event items and sell them to players who like gambling and less so farming their own event stuff to exchange. Sometimes you can get 5-10 of those items in a single 10-15 minute dungeon run and sell them for over 1 million alz each, but those events are rare and usually don't last long (enough).
So the only realistic tip I can give you is: be patient! Farm for small and steady income, and if any big drop comes your way, that's just gravy!
Hope this helps :) If anything is unclear, feel free to ask right here.
There are some points of the video with misleading information. Although the logic is correct between 1:08 and 1:19 what you indicated for "damage" should be considered as the character's attack as it is the one that will be "amplified" by the skill amp and the character amp.
EDIT: I rushed, I would mention that you should include the critical rate in the calculation that started at 1:08 but realized that at 5:56 you included and arrived at results similar to mine. Still it is worth mentioning one more reason why the result was in favor of the amp potion, and this is because of the diminishing returns of CDI in the example of player A. In his example of choosing between the potions the result of player A may be contrary when taking into account the rest of the variables. Assuming the character has 2000 attack, 50% CR, 150% amp, 300% CDI, and the target has 1000 defense would look like this:
Using 30% amp potion: 180% amp / 300% CDI
(2000 * (1 + 1.8)) - 1000 = 4600 non-critical damage
4600 * (1 + 3) = 18400 critical damage
Weighted average: (4600 * 0.5) + (18400 * 0.5) = 11500 damage
Using 50% CDI potion: 150% amp / 350% CDI
(2000 * (1 + 1.5)) - 1000 = 4000 non-critical damage
4000 * (1 + 3.5) = 18000 critical damage
Weighted average: (4000 * 0.5) + (18000 * 0.5) = 11000 damage
In this scenario the character's stats are unbalanced that the amp's potion has a better result on both non-critical and critical damage. And the reason for this is that the character's CDI is already so high that a "only" 50% increase is almost nothing and contributed only 12.5% increase in the end critical damage while the amp did 15%. If the character had 100% CDI as the basis, the results would be different, where the second scenario would cause greater critical damage than the first, as in this case it would cause a 25% increase in the final critical damage. And the decision on which situation is better would depend on the character's CR at the moment.
Are you certain about the target's defense being subtracted from the attack*amp value? It does sound logical, but in some cases, like event bosses, the cave dweller mob in AFI, etc... there were many occasions where a player would hit them close to 1 without critical, but actually deal decent damage with critical hits, which by your formula would mean they'd have to have thousands of % of critical damage for it to work.
Of course it would be a possibility if let's say someone were to deal 500 damage with non-criticals, with the boss having 1000 damage reduction, so non-crits would end up with a hit close to 1 (+add dmg) and criticals would get over the damage reduction value, but I think I've seen too many cases that contradict the damage reduction part.
That is why I ignored the defense and the attack parts and just came up with the demonstrative "damage multiplier" that is independent of all resistances and defense stats as well as other offensive stats, but also has the only purpose of helping one decide whether amp or cd is better for one's specific build.
@@1minuteCABALguides That was the way it worked in the old days, but I never investigated how it worked in those particular cases (maybe something related to amp resistances?). There have always been particular cases like negative defense mobs and the strange Cabal rounding system (sometimes a value that was to be rounded down was rounded up or vice versa), and this may be the case with these event bosses with very high defense. Currently this should not be the exact way the defense is calculated because according to the details given by the developers in the patch notes at the time of the RF it was understood that the defense would be converted to a percentage, something like 'x character attack' vs 'x target defense' would result in a total damage of 80%, 70%... There are certainly notable differences between the old and the new damage formula, but the logic probably should be the same. With so many variables these strange things are easy to come by, for example if you take the value of your non-critical damage and multiply by your CDI the value is never expected (usually below expectations). A 5000 hit does not deal a 15000 critical with 200% CDI, even if you test on a very weak mob where it is unlikely to have any critical damage resistance.
If you are curious about how things worked in the past, I found some videos that may be interesting, although they are all in Portuguese I think it is not difficult to understand just by looking at the numbers on the screen: ruclips.net/video/-1YNQNoG5Kg/видео.html
Notice at 5:24 that in the past Cabal reported the result of your damage before being defended by the target, this was the value that appears in parentheses in the video when selecting a skill (it was simply the attack multiplied by the total amp). With this value it was possible to discover the defense of any mob in the game, just subtracting the value in parentheses from the non-critical damage to the mob. This other video demonstrates this: ruclips.net/video/Q2ra6omOovs/видео.html
The differences in calculation here is because of the mob level, where for each additional level he had +1 defense.
Thanks for that! (YT marked your comment as potentially spam because it contained links so I didn't get a notification 2 days ago when you posted it).
you should make a video about final damage decrease/increase thanks in advance 😅
Just multiply the damage you see with that number and you've got it.
Example: you deal 10k damage and get 5% final damage increase -> you will deal 1.05*10k = 10.5k damage.
Same for received damage, you get 5% reduction -> received*0.95 = new damage received.
Except for absolute damage resistance of course! That overwrites pretty much everything :)
And something else cuz some people dont know, example 4cd = 2amp
The whole video's point was to mathematically prove that 4cd is NOT EQUAL to 2 amp :)
@@1minuteCABALguides xmmm yeap i see...must be balanced for both cd and amp this is my theory..
awesome dude!
Hello Mr.Ahoy. What is "Min. Damage" stat mean in game?
Ahoy! Min damage is something for sword classes only, their non-critical skill hits have some spread and min damage simply reduces that spread towards to upper cap of damage. It is basically useless these days.
what is your suggestion on percentage of amp and percentage of cdi in farming?
That's what the video was about, pretty much. Did you watch it? :)
Ahoy!
Can you tell me please, how to farm stain clones (or how to get minesta's training books)?
Ahoy!
Those quest books are the only sources you have. You get 1 daily for 1 stain clone at the instructor of PL.
Other than that, your only chance is to farm DX and premium DX dungeons, where they can randomly be obtained as loot.
@@1minuteCABALguides Thanks
Or, to make it really really simple: If you have more then 60% rate, dmg wherever you can, there is absolutely no discussion about it when it comes to PVE.
yeah max critical rate is a must have.. then dmg for pve or amp for tg/pvp..
Thanks for this verry informative video.. may you please help me as i used a Wiz in cabal. Can u give me some guide for building my set and also what would i choose for a better weapon. Tnx a lot
This video series will likely help you:
ruclips.net/video/hMgYvZPPLGY/видео.html
Episode 2 is specifically about gear and what values of certain stats you should achieve with your set.
For me I just balance my critical damage and amp. Just need to up my max critical rate to 75% currently 69%.
Same goal here, getting some master's stuff for 6 more % mcr to make it to 75% :)
You can be a math professor ahoy.
Best Video 👍
I cant understand XD
Watchman which one is better to learn for the first runes Max Crit Rate or SwAmp for FB?
Max rate has priority over anything else in game if you have enough crit rate to fill it.
@@1minuteCABALguides right now i have 52% but i don't know if i have more. ty so much
hi MrAhoy! is the all skill amp orb good for war and pvp? Thank you in advance
Ahoy! Usually considering the amp and crit dmg proportions on items and in slots people decide to get crit dmg for weapons. You have 3 pieces of armor that can only have amp, and 2 weapons+helm (=3 pieces) that can have crit dmg. In my opinion it's more balanced to do this.
@@1minuteCABALguides cuz im thinking to do full amp wiz, cuz most of the oponent in 52-79 war wearing RCR so i barely crit. what do you think?
@@dextercastillo2468 Oh for low level. Well in that case it might make some sense. I would suggest getting at least lv 170 before engaging actively in war though, as at low levels you aren't getting merit medals.
But if you insist on staying at that level for whatever reason, then perhaps with master's osmium gloves and suits with mcr in 1 slot you would be able to reach around 75-80% mcr, which is probably above anything your opponents could reach with their resist set. I don't imagine it's possilbe to go above 60% RCR with blue bike, and considerably lower amount of STR/INT/DEX than lv 200 people unless of course they've got pets with RCR slots.
However...
Alz = Win anythings 😆
There's a title in the game that goes as "Money beats everything". Lots of cashers should wear that!
Im thinking of pure amp and base build.
I will max my base attach/magic attach and amp
Rather than crit and crit damage.
If you have high base attack I don’t think crit and crit dmaage is necessary?? What do you think?
Good day sir. Is there any way I can contact you or private message you? I have some questions about your server. I'm a cabal player but in Ph server. I am worried about our server because of random banning of account.
I would suggest asking it here so others can see and respond as well, possibly even people who had played on your server before. But if you prefer private, you can find me on Facebook under the name of Watchman Cabal.
I want to ask what is the best for weapon in slot 3 ?
If you need critical rate, then crit dmg*2 + crit rate*1
If you don't then crit dmg*2 and amp*1
Only go for amp instead of crit damage if you have extreme 4 or higher weapons.
@@1minuteCABALguides thank you
Can u make a video for beginners ?(for example) wich is better betwen headpiece 9% critical rate and 1 piece 8 critical and resist critical damage 😊
Ahoy! I recommend this video, and its 2nd and 3rd parts:
ruclips.net/video/hMgYvZPPLGY/видео.html
Should help you with your gear, especially episode 2.
ahoy ! which is better overall GL or WA ???
Whichever you enjoy more! :)
Both have very useful party buffs/debuffs/synergies, both have suppression skills, both are cheap but I think you would have an easier time to find equipment for WA since there aren't too many GLs around. That is also the advantage of GL: with few of them around it's easier to get into parties that need them.
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So which is better? You did not answered the question. U just made the summary lol
If you're asking that, you didn't watch the video :)
Por favor faça um vídeo destruindo item +7 para pegar pergaminho amp !
Please make a video destroying item +7 to get scroll amp!
ruclips.net/video/6eoul7HsRsI/видео.html - 2nd question: how to get amp/cr/mcr scroll
Can you make video about force gunner ?
No, I'm a wizard!
Can i get a link to download cabal please?
cabaleu.playthisgame.com/en
That's for EU. If you're outside of Europe you won't be able to play this one due to IP restriction. In which case you should search for the region in which your home is.
Me tira uma dúvida, eu tnrho uma manopla. Trial G9. 110d atk /3 max/ 7 de amo craft
Tô querendo compra uma G7trial 16 amp slot /3 max / 7 % Craft
Me falarão que kd 10 d atk e como 1 de amp então a g9 Bate quase igual a G7?
Porque se sim não vira eu paga tão caro pra trocar?
Ahoy! Where to loot "Orb of Destruction and Orb of Ruin? Ty..
They are dropped in elite MO and elite EOD3.
@@1minuteCABALguides Where is MO ahoy?
Maquinas Outpost - in the middle of the lvl 140 map called Pontus Ferrum. The entry item is called Hacked Code Disc.
@@1minuteCABALguides thank you ahoy.
And last one. What can you suggest to do with my stain clone, i have 19 pcs.
There's a recipe at Chloe in PL that allows you to craft an equal amount of tradeable ones, which you can sell. Success rate isn't 100% though, so you might fail a few.
Or you can save them up for epic booster exchanges for when you're able to finish ADX dungeons.
I got headache s due to this.. hahhahahahaha
But tnx sir sure it will help me a lot.
Low mcr = amp
High mcr = cdi
That ez don't be hard on your self.
It's not as easy as that
@@JVirocel don't be hard on your self
@@leonelljuan4744 Try that theory on an equipped wizard/Warrior, and see for yourself.
@@JVirocel 60 rate is so low so amp would be better but if you have 70+ rate then go for cdi
@@JVirocel I did, I rerolled from WA to WI, crit dmg all the way if you are a PvE player, which the vast majority of people are.
Critical dmg calculation seems wrong
What seems to be wrong with it?
@@1minuteCABALguides actually what i know is ciritical dmg is multiplied by add. attack and then added to ((1+amp/100)*attack)
IS cabal still playable?
Ton Aseryo yep
I thought crit rate is just crit chance
It is.
Hmm i want to know the pentration importance on your damage
Nobody except the developers currently know that, like I emphasized in the video.
@@1minuteCABALguides yes i read it. Thank you
I wish I was on the same server as you.
Well, you can start over anytime :)
my 6th grade brain cant handle this
Amp or cd = peso damage....
poor credit card
Dude i suck at math XD please tell me which one should i put on my wiz
The spreadsheet I shared does the math for you so you don't have to. Use it!
@@1minuteCABALguides Oh i see it thank you!!!
While I appreciate the effort it takes to write guides and record and do all that, I cannot agree with the highly inaccurate description of the game mechanics. As someone that has done extensive testing regarding the damage formula and not only (you may remember my Damage Calculator excel file), I can tell you that we do know how penetration works, 100 amp does not double your damage output, etc. Please please please do extensive research before posting guides, because it confuses people instead of making it clearer and that is the reason why so many wrong theories exist about the damage formula, about the drop system about a lot of game mechanics, even 13 years after the game has been released.
No offense meant, I just hate the idea of inaccurate information being spread, especially by someone with a high reach (this channel has 7620 subscribers). It's just morally wrong to misguide people, in my opinion (intended or unintended).
Just to make myself very clear: My problem is with the accuracy of the information in some of your guides, not you personally, as I don't know you.
May I see your damage calculator?
It's really appreciated that someone with such a popular history of Cabal shares his opinion, many thanks for that! And no offense taken, constructive criticism is always more than welcome.
However, I believe you misunderstood something: I did not claim that 100% amp would double your damage, I claimed that it would be the case in the impossible example of someone having 0% amp and cd to start with (ignoring every other offensive stat and defensive stats of the target), which I do believe is correct.
I'd very much like some clarification on exactly what you consider wrong here, and would also be delighted to learn how exactly penetration works (possibly with a description of your testing method to try it as well).
@@hakaishin4314 No, because it is heavily outdated and I took it down. I haven't had time to keep it up to date, so I retired it around 2017. But until 2012 when I took my first Cabal break, it was extremely accurate.
@@1minuteCABALguides First and foremost, for the sake for your example, let's assume a target has 0 defense, 0 dmg reduction, 0 0 00 everything. In that case, and in any other case, AMP is applied to your attack value, not your final damage value, meaning that if you had 1000 attack and the enemy had 0 defense, then in this impossible scenario, the damage would be 1000 crit/noncrit. By adding 100 amp, you do not increase the 1000 damage, you "boost" the 1000 attack, which will NOT result in 1000 damage, because Cabal uses a threshold mechanism (kinda like STATS : Between X and Y attack, 1 point of amp gives a boost of Z, whereas between X' and Y', 1 amp gives Z' not Z). In other words, 1 amp at 1000 attack does considerably less than 1 amp at 2000 attack or 3000 or 4000. So instead of freezing the attack to 1000, when you add amp, you make it "feel" like you have 2000, 3000 attack, not final damage. And the greater the difference between your attack and the monster defense, in the new Cabal damage system, the better the output.
So while that may have worked back in the day when we had additive stuff like ATT * (Skill amp + char amp) - defense value + add dmg = final damage, it is not the case anymore, where we work with efficiency ratios.
Trying to isolate amp and simplifying it to the point where it's a linear increase is going to send you on a wild goose chase.
Attack and amp and penetration are relative to each other, so you can't split them. The only attributes which you can split are CR and CD and you can form a relationship between the two of them only, not amp, not penetration, because CR and CD can be independently applied after all computation has been done at ATT*AMP*PENE level.
pls dont speed up the video, it was better when you speak a bit slower
then his channel shouldn't be called as 1 minute cabal guide. lol
I wish cabal makes fade, dash, roll and WI blink with cooldown which makes ppl not run and outrun DPS when they are dying. Ppl just popup spam skills and runs away. There is no purpose for support like healers which only FA and FS with long CD had. Almost all character are DPS build and have similar direction on their endgame stats. Isnt it nice if class have diff choice of build they want to go, is it full DPS, semi support (healer, curse remover), assist, debuffer, inflict negative attributer, stunner, downer, KBer. Not the one I saw ppl just throw skills get the highest point and your the strongest character which makes the game just WHO HAD BETTER STAT WIN.
I dont even like why they just make all class semi range class, almost all class are now range and keep making BM's makes the early BM's and combo useless. I missed the old way manually attacking combo is fun. Now the game looks stupid to me. They keep adding more stats on the game and now they keep changing the effect.
You can't expect a class like a WI, whose main perk is mobility and damage with paper defense not to have any option to flee. They boosted the heal skills of FA a couple of updates ago so now it's almost impossible to kill one if he keeps healing. FS received several additions to help survive, etc... They are trying to balance some things out but unfortunately with 75% of the players choosing blader, they can't afford to properly nerf that one.
@@1minuteCABALguides bikes now a days are common and obtainable. Im talking about pvp where ppl can just easily runs away when they are in trouble. I dont see ppl work together assist each other on a group clash. What I imagined is a dying comrade can be healed by ally while running away to survive, an enemy can hold, stun, down, kb him (as usual a probability not a 100% effectiveness) or ganged him to take him down. They only support they give is sharing its buff and party buff.
You know a dps are supposed to be squishy thats their cons but a support can help u survive, a tanker can take more dmg but he lacks dps he can swap gears though to make him a dps but the drawback he may loose his tankiness also support help him survive, a support can heal etc, an assist can debuff and mess out the pace of offensive like debuffing, giving him negative attributes or disabling him to be productive. All characters are full dps based without drawbacks and all you need to do is to have better stats than your opponent to beat him.
In pvp there must have:
Who prevents a person to be productive (debuff, stunned, down, kb so on)
Who heals comrade
Who hold a person from running away (hold, stun, down so on)
Who tanks frontline mostly melees (this is where support comes into play)
A DPS
Anyway I played shaiya priv server after cabal and I guess they balanced out the definition of dps, tanking, support and assist on that game well. I wish cabal major revamp its mechanics cos I also like this game but very item based game.