Valve Index Vs Vive Pro with Lens Mod l: Half Life Alyx
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This is a realtime comparison of the Valve Index Vs the Vive Pro with Lens Mod. I own both of these headsets and enjoy them. The purpose of this video is to share my experience with the differences in clarity between these two headsets. In this example specifically, Half Life: Alyx. Enjoy!
Lens Mod I used can be purchased here
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I recently had the HP reverb G2 and also already had the Vive Pro with lens mod. The G2 did not perform well against the Vive Pro. The Vive Pro beat it hands down on everything except the screen door effect which is minimal anyway with the Vive pro. The G2 was sent back and I kept the vive pro. Blacks are black colours are more colourful sweet spot is ...well its all sweet spot. Better build quality and this headset is over a year old. It also can go wireless.
Ive been searching youtube for that answer. Ive been looking for reasurance to buy the vive pro and do a lens mod. I went from Vive og lens mod to oddysey+ to HP reverb G2. All heads sets impressed me apart from G2. The g2 does have impressive resolution but colours are washed out, blacks are grey, god rays are bad, ipd and sweet spot make it difficult to focus. And GPu load is enourmous.
@@oliverf944 Did you end up buying one? I'm currently considering it. I've tried all the latest headsets and I just can't stand LCD.
@@nb8c_fd yes I did!! And I did the lens mod the second it arrived. I compared both headset for a couple weeks so not to make a rushed decision. I’ve since sold the G2 with no regrets in favour of the vive pro with lens mod. It would be nice if it had 30% more pixels but it’s not a deal breaker. It is enough as it is. I’ve recently invested more into it too buying the body tracking. I don’t see myself upgrading until another oled with higher resolution and pancake lenses hits the market. That might be PlayStation new vr headset if it can be pc compatible.
@@oliverf944 Awesome! Gonna buy one myself and mod it, can't wait.
Great video! It’s nice to see both of them compared by someone in actual use rather than simply specs. Keep it up
This video is so underrated, just tried my index for the first time, It has one of the worst lense of any HMD I own (Vive, PSVR, Q1, Q2, Rift S) I wear glasses which makes things even worse, I just couldn't handle the narrow sweet spot and the awful glare all over the place, I thought maybe I'm getting delusional since I never heard someone saying Index has such poor lense, so I went and compared it to my Rift S, and wow, the clarity is just superb here, no glare and clear till the edge of the screen.
I spent 50 min on my index trying to adjust the IPD, the distance, the position on my head and I couldn't fix it. I put it back on the box, I received it for free btw, I just can't imagine someone spending a $1K to for this HMD and getting worse clarity than $300 Rift S.
I use my Vive all the time for my steam VR, and I have no problem with my Vive and the sweet spot.
This just shows what kind of fake RUclipsrs are there, none of them mentioned this issue till I just found your video after spending a couple of hours on Reddit. I really thought my Index is defective before I find your video.
So thank you for your time in making this video.
I has a Cosmos and I did the lens mod... crystal clear!!!!! I have an Index and while I dont quite agree with you, the visuals are very good actually but not as clear, not even close as the Cosmos was. I was disappointed with the Index so yeah - some games are quite clear but I do see the minimal screen door at times.
Dude you're in the EXACT same situation as me ! I'm going to do the Lens mod very soon and I'm a lil scared to be honnest, but apparently it's worth it :) I'm already super impressed by the quality w/ fresnel compared to the OG Vive
PS : I almost cried when I discovered the windows EQ thing for the headphones xD I think they should ship it with that EQ tbh
We have , (or at least when you made this...) The same level hardware. My 1080Ti Founders Edition was always a great card, but I REALLY made it shine by adding a $30 Kraken G12 GPU mount to add a CPU AIO Water cooler... Now there is no thermal throttling! For the VRAM Mosfets(?) etc. I bought a $9 box of tiny varied Aluminum Heat Sinks and put one on each chip using K5 Pro (thermal pad replacement paste)... My 1080ti does all I need it to now.. ;)
Is there more sde with mod ?
thanks man. I have a gear vr and it's great for when you're out and about and have to wait. I used it yesterday to burn a 45 min wait in just a few moments.
I've did the GearVR mod on the og Vive also a long time ago and it's so much clearer (but bad screendoor). I'm quite sure, a lens swap on the index is possible, because I've swapped the stacked lenses of my Vive Pro 2 also 😉 But the software barrel distortion fix is not anymore working with the new Vive Pro 2 + Vive Console.. But just for curiosity, did you ever tried to update the distortion Profil on the Valve index, using the lighthouse console and did it worked? (without physically switching the lenses)
Hello. Could you teach me how to make lens mod in Vpro2? I have an Index, Vpro1 with lens mod and Reverb HP G2. My goal is to make lens mod on vpro2 or HP Reverb G2.
@@alexandremagno5453 thanks for your interest. But suitable Lens swap on vive pro2 or Reverb G2 is not possible yet. I only can speak for the pro2, but it's still not possible, to adjust the distortion profile in Software. For more details, how I did the lens swap, check my reddit thread about it and the linked Video of newVRtech, at which my mod is visible. The 3d printed adapters I not uploaded yet.. Will do soon
Thx for taking the time to do the compare and posting the vid. I too, have the lens mod installed on my Pro - big improvement. BTW, the best part of the video is when I pointed to the screen and said, "That dude has the same wooden TV dinner table that I have!" Great minds share great taste in furniture.
I plan to get a Vive Pro very very soon!! Where would I need to contact you to find out how to fix the audio on the HMD?? 9:28
Thank you Steven, I have HTC valve mod lens and I love it , I plan to upgrade to index may be next year, by that time I hope someone crazy to make a mod lens and turning firmware in index :D
That’s pretty cool! I’ve been waiting over a month for my Index Order and I can’t wait, especially since I’m coming from an OG vive
yo its been 5 months since this comment and i'm waiting for mine overall do u like it?
Also an OG vive owner, just purchased an index and I'm very unimpressed with the "upgrade"
@@brooksybaby03 really?? I have og vive and the index looks insane compared to it I want one! Why don't you like it? Should I get the vive pro instead?
@@jonathanvandagriff7515 hey, the tracking and the controllers is a nice upgrade, I was just hoping for "next gen" clarity with the resolution bump. I found it barely noticeable.
@@brooksybaby03 from the og vive??? The vive looks terrible lmao. The screen door effect is so bad. It's un playable for me it looks like you're looking at the world in 8 bit. I'm really surprised it was barely noticeable for you. Even going back to my Lenovo Explorer it's a massive upgrade.
Can I have a link for the lends mod? So you believe the Vive pro with the lens mod looks vastly prettier than the index that in your option justifies it more than the increased resolution/refresh rate/FOV and Everyone says the index has a super cool controller, what are your thoughts on it?
have same question need answer asap
Just updated the video description to include. 👍
@@untitledproductionMI thanks!
Austin I forgot to answer your other questions. The yes. It is worth it. The resolution is the same between the Index and the Pro so there is no advantage there. The increased FOV is nice but not that much, mainly because the extra FOV is blurry on the edges so it's not useful in my opinion. The increased refresh rate is not that great for performance and you really notice a lot more detail with the Lens Mod on the Pro at 90hz than you do with faster movements on 144hz with the Index.
The biggest difference is that Vive Pro has OLED screen and that's the most powerful advantage. LCD just can't compete.
Also blacks are better and the colors are more vibrant and less glare.
Nice video man. What about SDE and Fov differences? Are they very noticiable?. I own a Quest and i´m very disgusted with brightness too. I remember the first Vive one so much vibrant. Alyx's exteriors look cloudy with Quest.
I needed a review like this, thank you so much. What you didn’t mention though, what color lens mod you got? I’m thinking the black matte is the best?
I got the blue one. But it doesn't really matter since it's for esthetics only anyways. Thanks for watching. I'm glad it helped you out.
Ah okay, I thought, maybe any other color than black would be visible inside the hmd when playing in a very dark area. Anyways thanks for the answer and keep up the good work!
The part with the brick made me speechless.
is there a way to mod the valve index audio to the vive pro?
I did this to my Cosmos and I remember it was sooo clear. I own a Valve Index now and lately I have been acutely aware of the (minimal) screen door. I'm seriously thinking of selling my Index and buying a Vive pro. Can anyone confirm if its better than the Index? I'll keep my base stations and Index controllers. I hope you are right. I'm gettting a Pro and doing the lens mod. If its way better I'll be selling my Index. I dont care very much about audio or comfort or the controllers. Clarity is my only goal. Edit: The Wands are terrible. I just cannot use them so I'll be keeping the knuckles. I'm doing the gear mod to the Pro. Before the gear mod I think the pro is only marginally worse than the Index.
So?
So?
But index is generally more trash!, XD pro has wireless capability, it's sold on Amazon and many other places that have a better warranty to next day delivery on a replacement, shall I continue? Pro is generally better...
Also the index controllers have shit they have issues with drift and more.... they aren't compatible with all games so you've either got to find a suitable premade controller layout profile or make your own... they are fragile as fuck..... buy a pro bundle, buy index controllers to use in compatible games and then use pro controllers on anything else
Agreed!
Yes, wireless Vive Pro with Index controllers (originals as backup) stomps everything. I do sometimes have performance issues with the wireless though, in very intensive games like Subnautica. Even with a 10900k/3080 I have to be wired for that game to work right.
They keep saying.. Oh fresnel are better! THey have less distortion and better sweet spot.. blah, blah, blah.. I HATE THEM. lol
Couldn't be further from the truth
Index is dog shit, i own it and the lens glare ruins the whole experience....
There is a little less screen door effect with the Index, but the colors, clarity and less glare are major advantage of the pro with lens mod. You are definitely correct there.
Did you keep the original Vive Pro lenses? If so could you give me the dimensions please? Were the Samsung lenses smaller than the original Vive?
I just got an index and it is blurry as hell... 3080 TI, 64GB @4000, 8 core 16 thread 4.7ghz 7820x, and nvmes for drives... I can see the individual red / green / blue, then a black bar, between each pixel. Doesn't matter how I change the lenses, it cuts into my nose. The text is blurry and impossible to clear up, like it has dof enabled by default and other things where the edge of the screen is blurry like they want you to move your head instead of your eyes ( can't move my head ). It may not be for me until higher resolution is available and they get away from these crappy lenses. I am actually thinking about removing them.. Additionally, the backlight glares off the lenses so you can see it behind the screen then as you are in a bright area it bounces off the lens and you see a very bright spot on the lens...
Also, can't play standing so I'm stuck in a seat... so many bugs requiring you to move through the floor to get at things even with the crouch / height adjust bound - just depends where you are standing, they could half a lot of that range. There is also a lot of tearing when rotating even at 24-28 rotation rate.
The controllers don't fit right either, in any setting... if you take a few fingers off the index controllers, it doesn't always recognize the right finger. I've tried adjusting to the right point but it wants me to spread them quite a lot. There doesn't seem to be any calibration bit for that either.
The audio is pretty good, though.
Quick question, was the audio coming from the speakers from that index?
No the audio was TV speakers
That is awesome information!
If you really want to fix the audio, install Equalizer APO... it's night & day.
My EQ curve has it sounding substantially better than even the deluxe audio strap.
Hi Steve. I too own both an index and a vive pro with lens mod and I totally agree! Curious about your audio settings for the Vive Pro though. Can you share them with me? Great video and thanks!
Wish you luck brother ❤️❤️❤️
Coming in late because I just ordered an index. Not saying your conclusion was not correct, but Alex is not a good game to do comparisons on as it internally does Res and detail adjustments to keep a steady requested framerate, all done above and beyond the Steamvr settings. You also have the index running at 144hz on Index vs 90 for ViveP, so you are asking AlexHL to run at almost twice the Framerate in the Index that on the ViveP. If you rig was to run HL at 140 FPS, HL will reduce res and detail to compensate in the Index, but on the Vive, since its above 90fps, full res and detail. If you have not already, I say put the index in 80hz mode and see what you think about texture detail and clarity then.
I can update this with another game. But every game is a significant difference. Even with both headsets at 90hz. It's a combination of the fresnel lenses not being clear as the GearVR and the LCD color saturation and overall contrast being significantly worse than the Vive Pro's OLED
Do I really wanna spend 90$ tho? I just ordered some index controllers and a deluxe audio strap btw I have the regular HTC vive
But ummmm it looks so good
IDK why it now costs so much. When I bought it it was $65. Since I made this video they keep jacking the price up. I would search to see if another reseller is selling it the same one. VR innovations is the brand.
Even at the $90 compared to what else is out there it is still worth it if you do not need to fool around with distortion profiles.
The cheaper option is to buy used GearVR and print these adapters yourself. Even considering cost of printing it will be cheaper than that ebay kit.
@@wassilia1234 that's cheaper only if you already invested hundreds or thousands of dollars on a 3d printing rig
@@wassilia1234 I ordered the printed adapters but could not get rid of the distortion completely so switched back to the original lens. If this kit really does not require the distortion fix it might be worth it for the increased clarity that I got with the GearVR lens.
I had tried the GearVR Lens mod and the clarity and blacks were so much better but I couldn't get rid of the distortion completely and it was too annoying for me so I switched back. Do you know what is different about the kit that makes it not required the distortion fix?
I do not... I do know that with it I do not have any distortion. It's also possible you installed the lenses upside down.
Can i ask how you get 144fps, i have the RTX 2080 Super and i7 9700k and i cant run Alyx at 144hz ultra not even high
What RAM speed are you running at? You need to enable XMP in the bios because XMP overclocks your RAM to run at marketed speed (3200mhz) for example. Otherwhise it will stay at 2133mhz which is a HUUUUGE difference. I got 80-90fps in CoD warzone before. When I enabled XMP which I forgot I got stable 120+.
I have the same mod off eBay and it has zero need for correction. It's the best kit out there in my opinion.
great video, thanks a lot for the introduction to the improved lenses. I will buy them as soon as the ebay seller is out of vacation. can you please elaborate on the improved sound settings for the vive pro? I'm really curious how much the sound can improve. thanks in advance.
These lens did Dilivered what they Promised To my Vive Pro , But the Eye Strain Cancelled it all .
Did you make sure to put them in the right way? Also did you make sure your ipd was correct?
Not a fan of the lens mod, I prefer the Vive Pro stock over anything else. In addition to some distortion the scale is smaller and everything is about 80% of where it should be - areas don't look as big and impressive, weapons look smaller in the hand, etc. It's like looking at the world through a slight wide angle lens or something, I don't get the same sense of presence. All I can hope is that we get another OLED headset in the future because I will never buy an LCD headset again. Bad black levels are worse than almost anything, imo.
So basically I'm better off keeping my original Vive than getting the Vive Pro 2?
@@replacesoundboard It depends on how much you value black levels/contrast over resolution. For me, OLED is crucial for VR, and when I go into a cave or am in space, I want it to be actually black, and not like I'm staring at a grey backlit LCD. Other people prefer raw resolution - both would obviously be preferable, which is why I'm waiting for whatever headset is next that has these specs. Vive Pro 1 has a decent jump in resolution over Vive, so I'd recommend that over Vive Pro 2, but again it depends on your preferences.
@@maulcs Thanks for your input! Some people seemed to suggest the leap from Vive to Pro 1 wasn't that much noticeable, even if the opposite was harder to swallow. I guess I'll be considering the Pro 1 along with the Valve knuckles.
@@replacesoundboard When I was researching this initially coming from an Oculus CV1 and Rift S, I compiled a lot of comparisons of pixel density and SDE - the difference from Vive to Vive Pro is certainly noticeable in everything I've seen. 2,592,000 vs 4,608,000 total pixels, with the Vive Pro 1 having the same resolution as the Valve Index, but no RGB so SDE is still a bit noticeable.
I have it with the Index controllers right now, and the wireless add-on with 3 base stations. Very solid but expensive setup that can't really be matched by anything out currently imo, again unless the main focus is resolution. The wireless adapter does make things just slightly blurrier with some additional mura pattern (which some people don't notice), but having no tether is well worth it most of the time.
I was really hoping that Vive Pro 2 was OLED, so I could just keep using my base stations and wireless adapter. Big disappointment there, so now I'm looking forward to the new Valve headset eventually (which better not be LCD). If the new PS5 VR headset worked with PC that would also be great, but no dice.
@@maulcs Well I guess I'm going to keep all my original Vive gear and get the Pro and the knuckles in the future then. Thanks! I guess my Vive with deluxe audio strap can always serve as a backup in case the Pro somehow manages to die on me.
I'm lucky the Pro is still sold officially by Vive in Europe, even though it seems to be discontinued in the USA.
Would u recommend the lens swap like urself I own both vive pro and valve index the index for me aside from the controllers was a let down I'm in two minds on the lens swap as I've read some say it messed with the scale of things and shortened the fov? :)
@BeastRealm wolf you have me curious now 😂😂
@BeastRealm wolf did u ever have any scale issues just seen people saying objects weren't to scale and seemed smaller or like zoomed out?hoping to do this mood soon :)
which has the best 3d effect? vive pro or index? thanks a lot!
I would say the Vive pro (with mod). Because your peripheral vision is clear. Almost every millimeter of the lens is clear. Where as with the index it's blurry and you have to keep your eyes on the sweet spot to see any detail. When I use the Vive Pro I can move my eyes and not my head and it gives objects more depth.
Did you preorder the hp g2 ?
what are your specs
i want to upgrade the lens on my vive pro but im scared.. i love my pro with all my heart hehe
It's so easy. I'm mean like super easy. I waited a year cuz I felt the same way. Once I did it I was like... That was it? Lol
@@untitledproductionMI the god rays, screendoor effect and clarity how much better is it. Lets say 5/10 god ray on vivepro without upgrade and 10 is no god ray at all. 7/10 screendoor and clarity is a 7/10 reading text ect. How would you rate it with the upgrade?
@@BigDaddyMacc ZERO godrays... Like literally ZERO. It's the clearest image I have ever seen in a VR headset. You will seen some screen door but I think the fresnel lenses amplify the screen door. It's very small amount if you even notice it at all. I dont even use my index anymore
@@untitledproductionMI i orderd 2 sett of lenses. one for backup and for use. if i want to put the old one back in is it hard or is it just the same prosiger
@@BigDaddyMacc should be the same process. They just slip in and stay put
Many thanks for the Vid !! I have the Pro and have the Lens ordered so can't wait to get them in. Could you please share the details of the EQ software patch you did . Cheers !
Link is in the description. That mod does not require any software to work.
@@untitledproductionMI Sorry i meant the sound patch you did , you mentioned equalizer settings so EQ for short.
Ahh ok. Once I am back on my headset I will pull my setting and post them for you
@@untitledproductionMI Yeah can I get the windows settings please?
Why can't we do the lens mod on the index?
Because these lenses won't fit
@@wassilia1234 they can't manufacturer in the right size?
I've had the gear lens mod on my og vive and vive pro for ages and until a few months ago always had to take breaks in the vive pro due to slight eye strain , but now it's perfect for my eyes the fix was to add a few extra layers of double sided tape to the out edges of the lens , I think it's to do with the lcd panel size being slightly larger than the og vive and the tape straightens everything up again .
I got a htc vive og with mod should I upgrade to a pro with mod ?
What does the OG stand for?
@@ratcat7668 orginal ganster
@@donaldprince7853 good one lol. I think its short for 'original'
Who else is mad because he put his index upside down
Ya but isn't that going to be because your running the index at 144hz and that drops your res vs the vive pro running at 90hz 100% is going to be higher res vs index .. you'd have to put the index over 100% to match the level which should make the index look alot better
Index was set to 90hz in this video.
The Pro was not running at 100% res