The Abduction and Murder of Karmein Chan | MR CRUEL | Australian Crime
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- A serial predator dubbed Mr. Cruel had an incredible impact on Australia in the late 1980’s - 90’s. The masked assailant, who police believe may be responsible for around a dozen attacks on children across Melbourne, could still be alive.
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Oh that mother’s pain, It just broke my heart😢
Same. Absolutely awful 😢
And yet I have a suspicion that the monster not only saw this, but may have shown the devastated mother to the abducted daughter. Extreme psychopathy, extreme malignant, sadistic narcissism. Getting off on causing pain, makes him feel good.
@@raphaellavictoria01I pray not.
Yes. Her pain was so profound. Of course it would be considering what she was going through. I just can’t even imagine it. Broke my heart too.
Ut gave me a shiver down my spine when that mother was crying as a mom and nan for 2 or 3 seconds its like I felted her pain that that was too much for me I can not imagine what the parents went through I pray for them
When her mother held up the favorite dress 👗 and said she wanted her to come home and wear it. That just breaks you. So heartbreaking and I know what it’s like to lose a daughter.
I’m so sorry, I just cannot imagine!
I'm so sorry. You must be so strong.
Heartbreaking. It's so heartbreaking.
I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter. A mother's sorrow for the loss of her child is the most heart-wrenching thing a person will ever experience. God bless you 🙏💔
I know….her pain is excruciating my heart breaks for her and any parent who had to go through the worst pain and heartache imaginable. When she held up her dress, the waterworks started, it truly tore my heart, my goodness…😢😢
I'm so so sorry 😢❤
I watch so much true crime but that news conference was one of the most heart breaking I have seen.
Same, never forgot
If they offered Life-Time Free Chinese food, they may have gotten her back. People Love Chinese Food.
@@gags730 not the least bit funny ya dikheaf
@@thatonethisone5904 It's called dark humor... Lighten up Francis!
@@gags730 You antagonize strangers with nonsensical words just to get a response and bring up race as a way to hurt deeply.
That’s a really pathetic way to have some form of communication with other humans.
I would call it trolling but you’re way past that when you make fun of a literal CHILD being murdered. I suggest you look deeply into the internalizations that bring you type such things. For your own sake.
Someone that meticulous about leaving behind evidence, and then evidence disappearing, makes me believe that Mr Cruel is also Mr Police.
😢
OR MR. HIGH RANKING GOV'T OFFICIAL.
Exactly what i was thinking too.. he must be someone who knows alot about forensics for sure, especially back then, it was rare for any old Joe to just know and understand forensic evidence.
Spot on !!
And it wouldn't be the first time a cop uses his job as an advantage either!! That's so disgusting and sickening...
I can't watch this.. Way too sad
As a teenager in the 70s I worked at their restaurant in Bulleen..
They were the nicest people you could ever meet
It’s nice to have people who actually knew them posting favourable comments … rather than people who didn’t know them repeating malicious rumours.
By the way, I trust that the picture of their Bulleen restaurant is actually the real picture? The TV video has a Lower Plenty café instead of the Eltham one that they really did own.
@@penguinvic9892 Their restaurant in Bullen was at the Bulleen Village Shopping Centre on Manningham Road
I worked there around 1975 from memory... They use to put on a full banquet for the staff before dinner service....
@@Wandafulofit That’s a real nice story. I’ve heard that they gave left over food to homeless people, too, but I cannot claim whether this is true or not.
After their daughter’s abduction, trade dropped away to near zero. People were sympathetic but that didn’t extend to patronising the restaurants. This wasn’t helped by well-meaning police staking out the restaurants and being customers. Police have hearts and families too, but it may have spooked out potential customers as well.
@@Wandafulofit I heard they arrived in Australia in 1976. Is it possible it was later than '75? Also, I was under the impression they didn't start a business there until 1981. Is it possible they were working at the Bulleen restaurant in the late 70s when it was owned by someone else before taking ownership of the business in 1981?
@@melbournemarvels
It quite possibly was 1976...
And yes they may have been working for someone else (family member?) as I remember an older man cooking
It’s frightening that he’s never been caught, i hope that one day justice is served.
probably a cop
@@Moodboard39😮
he will never caught
@@butter5144 maybe.
I don't know this case that well but if there is physical evidence such as DNA then it can be solved. If not then I can't see it ever being solved.
Here’s a long shot theory. He was a cop, and that’s why all the evidence is missing and that’s how he was able to carry these out almost perfectly. He didn’t kill the first victims because he didn’t need to and the last victim he “needed” to. And then he went dormant because he knew the rest of the community of cops would’ve had their dander up over this and looking for this. He knew what the penalty looked like and wanted to switch MOs if he ever returned back to killing. Idk how difficult it was to obtain a handgun back then in Australia or how the police handled issued firearms but this should be looked into.
agree, he probably a cop, or never committed a crime after that
Yup, I said the same thing. He’s definitely a cop
My heart just breaks listening to her mother 😢. My Lord I can’t imagine what she’s still going through to this day. My condolences to the family and friends 🙏🏼🕊️🙏🏼
I remember watching this news report back in 1991. Mrs Chan's pleas for her daughter's return have haunted me from that day. The discovery of Carmen's remains a year later devastated a nation. RIP Karmein. 😪
But still you are misspelling her name.
P.S.Btw,this emoji depicts sleepiness,Zzz.
@@RahilPelichev Yes, my apologies. Corrected.
Yeah I will always remember how gut-wrenching that press conference her parents did.
Watching that mother cry for her baby gave me a lump in my throat 😣
I was 12 at the time and will never forget the terror this monster put so many through. I lived not far away and this creep haunted my nightmares, I will never forget the pain Karmeins mother experienced, so horrific. something I will never forget.
Would have been solved had it not been for the bungling incompetence of losing the physical evidence that would have held dna.
Sadly this seems way to common... mishandling of evidence by police is frighteningly endemic... more disturbing during eras where CODIS, IFIS, IBIS & such exist..
No way that such things could had happened. In every work environment there's procedure to prevent mistake and for such high level jobs such as criminal investigation they lost physical evidence ? Sounds more like corruption
Probably was a police officer. Or a friend of police. Australia is insanely corrupt, nobody will ever really know how corrupt they actually are.
Literally just google police charged with historical offences and see how many were charged after multiple crimes only to be caught years later. Imagine how many got away with it. It was probably a cop or a relative/friend of one.
Perhaps. If that persons DNA is on record
The case with the four sisters who slept in the same room, where the police thinks that the murderer had read the article of them in the newspaper; that case made me think of all the mothers(and some fathers) who openly shares details about their homes and the childrens hobbies, daily routines, and careful and detailed walks through the houses showing where the rooms are,the hallways, who sleeps in wich room...
totally agree...bane of social media
What made it worse for me is - you can see she had planned what she was going to say, as an appeal to her daughter to come home. But she doesn't last 2 seconds before the turmoil, grief, rage just completely take over and she directly addresses the kidnapper.
There's no doubt in my mind, if she was in the same room as him at that moment, she would kill him with her bare hands immediately. It hurts to see someone in that much pain.
0:39 Wow. What a way 2 start the programme! That mother's agony was so heartbreaking 2 see. 😢
Oh my that mother. Screaming and crying. That deep in the gut, heart ripping cry for her daughter. Breaks my own heart for her and her mother.
I wonder if it was somebody on the force and that is why incriminating evidence disappeared
I have always thought he was a cop.
Misogynists joining the police force..hmmm..
same most likely cop
@@einienj3281 yea, probably is
Yes. Always the case. They maybe are shorthanded or just dont care
Her poor, sweet mother. Even in the first minutes, this is horrifically evocative.
Every parents pain is unfortunately on tv for everyone to see. I still pray for those families
That mother's plea for her baby back is gut wrenching. That's the worst situation for any parent to endure, disappearance of a child. They don't know if their baby is dead or alive. You picture your baby calling for your help and you can't. My heart goes out to any parent who's had a child abducted.
The pain I felt for Mrs Chan during that press conference was so intense, I watch a lot of true crime but that one hit hard. Poor darling.
I have always thought that Mr. Cruel was a cop. I think he left the country. I don't think he stopped his crimes.
Ron Iddles said in his series that a Melbourne underworld identity told him that this kidnapper/killer died in 1992 and that’s why the crimes stopped.
If that’s true, it’s a shame he’ll never be punished for his crimes, but thank god he can’t hurt anyone else
As a mother who lost a child, I still can't fathom these parents pain. It's one thing losing a baby, through miscarriage, or stillbirth like my daughter, or SIDS... Its another thing entirely, to have them ripped away from you in this manner, and never really getting answers, or any real justice. Unfathomable. The mothers cries tore at my soul 😢
I get the chills every time I hear Mrs. Chan. This needs to be solved.
Oh my God, that poor mother, heartbreaking ❤
The victims should have sued the police over the lost evidence. They lost everything from 3 cases, just as DNA was advancing to the point where samples could have made a case.
The victims should have sued the police also for telling international profilers in 1991 that all 4 crimes of 1987-91 took place during school holidays or breaks. This led respected profilers to conclude that there was a high probability that the offender worked in a school in some capacity.
The problem was that only 2 of the 4 crimes took place during school breaks and NONE remotely suggest school employment. The 3 July 1990 Tuesday night crime took place in a normal school week in term 2 for virtually all schools in the State of Victoria.
Yet the official profile with this mistake in it was treated as an article of faith for more that 30 years.
The error was called out by a Melbourne newspaper in April 2022, after the official profile was exposed as flawed by an ex-employee of the College 2 of the victims attended.
They LOST everything from 3 cases? How is that not intentional? Everything points to someone from inside/with access to the files. Who else could have done it? No way it just happened to just disappeared by coincidence the evidence of just those cases
@@Blakenew127 exactly
My heart is broken for the parents 💔💔 that press conference was gut wrenching 😿❣️
The mother just ripped my heart it s just so unbearable.
Knowing she didn't have that joy to get her child back
As a mother of a baby girl, this hurt me so bad. May God bring them all the comfort and consolation they need🤍
The scary part is nobody knows who Mr cruel is he is still out there
Police believe he is no longer alive, or still in jail.
@@ava.4150 or too spooked and smart enough to stop or somekind of changes in his family.
New evidence suggests he had medical training and under Investigation had found that he may have had been employed as an electrician, as drop off points are in line with electrical grids.
A witness has also testified to say that an electrical company car was seen near one of the victim's prior to abduction.
The child saw the electrical company man acting strange and looking over the fence.
probably a cop
The mothers pain broke my heart. I felt her pain. My God people are evil beast.
"between his 20s and 50s"
Really? You figured that out yourself?
FBI , golly and a bit gut , hight , only about half Australia male population. We got some smart cookies
Profiling is similar to astrology, at this point
saw that part and thought what time wasters too
Well there's not many people around that age 🙄
😂😡
My God. I can feel that mother's pain. Heart wrenching. Heart wrenching😢
Literally 36 seconds in and I’m already heart broken. That poor mother and her family
Surely familial DNA could stitch up Mr. Cruel in this day and age....if they kept the evidence.
My goodness this made me so sad 😞 it’s so upsetting how there are so many sick people out here.
I don't know whether I can watch this. I've watched all kinds of documentaries on murders but find it difficult to watch those about children. Having watched the mother's anguish I'm hesitant to watch. It feels wrong to eavesdrop on her family's pain
I see you watch true crime.....do you also always fish for attention?
@@shawnmcdoge2215 I see you are an unpleasant person. Do you always look for negative attention? Unfortunately for you, it is a sign of borderline personality disorder, which is untreatable. This will be reflected in your lack of friends and poor family relations. These poor relations only feed your unhappiness, so you feel a need to 'try' and hurt strangers. I spent a working lifetime identifying people like you, now I'm retired and can watch you from a distance.
Seeing her mum's pain is heartbreaking
Oh my god I can't believe her mother's pain. I'm so very sorry this ever happened to her and her family 😢
I can't believe that evil like this exists in the world. Why, how?
Im in tears hearing her dear mother's pain. Just so heartbreaking. I've never heard a mother in so much agony. And I can't watch this one. I've only watched the first 5 minutes. RIP sweet little angel.
The poor family I suspect the poor girl saw him then that was it he killed her as police said. Well he must be dead if he stopped they never found out who did it even now?
Its so painful to see that video conference I'm sorry my heart for you
Poor Nicola every year of her birthday is gonna be traumatic
No one should ever have to know such brokenness. How dreadful. Such unspeakable hurt.
May God’s wrath fall on this person who did this unfathomable act .
Lord, speak to this and all the families who are trying to survive today.
So sorry for this child and her mother
Was the rope ever put into evidence?? I want to know more with that. Also did the police ever take a voice recording of the suspects to let the survivors hear??
Karmein's mom's news interview was one of the most heartbreaking New conferences I ever seen. I could feel her pain. My heart goes out to her and the family and friends. Condolences 🙏🏼💔😭💜🥺😢
I can't stop crying though this video the mother break my heart.. 😢😢
Hope they eventually find Mr cruel. 30 plus years and no answers as to who the suspect is.
ive seen shows that they think it might be the Golden State Killer in California USA. he lived in Australia at the time. it really fits … look it up
Thanks man, you saved me from having to watch this one.
@@deathmagneto-soy you're welcome
@@resQfurpplif it was him surely there would be a note of his accent from the girls. I doubt it.
@@emkaye3687You’re correct, of course, an Australia accent free of foreign influences is quite difficult even for talented overseas actors. There’s no evidence GSK was in Australia at this time and Australian / Victorian police have all but ruled him out.
Besides GSK was a serial killer, Mr Cruel is “only” alleged to have murdered one person. GSK’s victims were generally adults, while Mr Cruel targeted minors.
I’ve prob seen thousands of true crime videos, but that mothers screams for her daughter to come home and where her favorite dress was absolutely heartbreaking 😢
I was only 7 or 8 around this time and I still remember this. So heartbreaking.
Attacked 6 girls on knife point.
Reporter: You destroyed their lives!
Perp: So YOU say!
Wow.. remorseless.
Misogyny. Then they cry about radical feminism. But when do we see radical feminists do this? Never.
I know right I couldn’t believe how open he is about being a f$cking sicko 🤬
@@fightforyourfreedomsnow The audacity! He acted like HE was the victim and had permission to be offended... infuriating.
Rest in Peace Karmein. May you be Forever in Gods Arms. You will Never be Forgotten Beautiful Girl 💗💗💗🙏
Does anyone know where the parents are now? God I want to hug them so badly. Their pain broke me 💔
My thinking too. This is so sad.
My heart is absolutely broken for the families of any abducted child. For the Chan family. I am so so sorry 😞
Awwe poor parents l9ok how devastated they are deepest sympathy to her poor family world is full of demons
To have let the others go tells me poor Karmein must have seen his face or possibly recognized him😢 he let Nicola go
The police should never give these predators names like ‘mr cruel’ and a multitude of other names fr others ! This is like giving them the identity, recognition they crave. Just find other ways like the officer said’monster’. .
Wow that mother’s plea was painful. I could hear how much she was hurting inside.
I couldn’t watch the mother press conference it made my heart hurt 😢
That mothers cry are gut wrenching 😢 poor woman we live in such a horrible world at times
Seeing the mom's pain is so heartbreaking
Seems unlikely that someone did this to send a message. Wouldn’t they put her body somewhere to be discovered early? Shot three times in the head and dumped to be found immediately would send the message, not finding skeletal remains a year later…
"I'd like to thank the media for all their coverage." Those are words that are no longer spoken.
I do believe the reason for killing karmein is, she saw his face maybe, even recognised him and he felt she had to be silenced. The theory, he could have had connection to law enforcements practices and procedures could also hold water.
He could have been the father of a classmate.
The murderer is probably someone she knows. A customer at the restaurant.
Yes, it’s pretty obvious that with each girl’s release, they had more ways to identify him. Like with the release of Nicola, they learnt that he lived near an airfield. He didn’t want to take his chance anymore..
21:23 I was optimistic that they’ll find Karmein Chan alive but then I read the title again and realize what happened.😢
The press conference broke me 😪 this is devastating
Her mom’s cry gave me goosebumps i felt her pain
Oh my God my heart is broken for that mother the pain in her voice oh my God my sincere condolences
That mother’s pain begging for her daughter 😢 the worst sound to hear her
Karmeins mother just broke my heart, her pain….no parent should ever have to feel that. So devastating. God watch over and give this family continued strength.
I met a woman near San Francisco that was traveling from Australia & she was convinced it was her ex husband who is Mr. Cruel. I tried to get as much info as possible, but she clammed up.
God Rest sweet Carmen❤
Yeah? What was her name?
Nope he was a old Greek guy darling back then he was about 60 yrs old he used to hang out near the power lines where we used to play we would throw stones at him cause we thought he was playing with him self he came for many of us kids we all knew him cops ignored us
@@helinajade6543it would be worth going to the police, especially if you’re still in touch with those other kids who can corroborate your story, as adults.
@@justmemimi7338While anything is possible with this offender, about 60 seems a little on the old side for clambering over a 2 metre fence with a kidnap victim in tow in 1991. Ditto for carrying one of the victims considerable meterage. While some people around that age have great stamina, the sort of crimes that the offender repeatedly carried out suggest someone younger. The ethnicity of the suspect put forward would also be questionable. This doesn’t sound like someone who would match polite profiles, with one of the taskforce suggesting a man of 34-48 years old, and one of the victim’s family suggesting younger that that.
Still police are obliged to follow up leads, even unpromising one.
The frightening thing he's still out there
Her pain is so real my gosh
You can feel the mother’s pain through the screens. It took her mother a lot of guts to do that. Speaking broken English to the entire Australian community and what other countries picked up the case story.
Melbourne and Sydney are getting out of control with crimes. I wouldn’t live to those two city.
What makes you think they'd want you to live there?
Oh my god, the desperation on that mother’s face, voice , gestures, make my heart tremble😢😭😭and my eyes filled with tears. I am so sorry 😪I have never seen such a raw true pain and desperation before.
My daughter was murdered from her boyfriend. The pain never goes away. My condolences, prayers and love go out to all who knew her. Rip Karmein. Sweet girl. Break 💔.for her family and friends 😭 🙏🏼
I'm sorry to hear that.. x
I always felt Karmain was murdered because of something the father did...she was found with 4 bullet holes in the back of her head that's an execution killing...also why did he leave Australia so soon after his daughter's death (he left within the first year)...it was scary living in Melbourne while these crime's against those children were happening 😢...I believe the person responsible for little Karmain's death left the country I believe it was drug related...I hope the other girl's were given emotional support from expert's and are now enjoying life 💜 RIP Karmain 😢
@@philhudson...5017what did your friend see him do?
Would he have shot her differently if he was sexually motivated?
Umm hello! The killer knew who he was and knew where is family lived. 😳 DON’T you think he wanted to save his other daughters?
@@philhudson...5017Body language is an imprecise “science”, akin to profiling, and linguistics analysis, etc. Coming from Hong Kong, the father’s reaction for the camera was fairly typically stoically male Chinese. He quietly left the restaurant probably because he thought it was a HK style kidnap for ransom. One look at the writing on the car would have dispelled that notion. The HK protocol is this, negotiate with the kidnappers first, if this fails, call the police. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
ive been following true crime cases for more than a decade now and every time a case involves non white people, the theories are always the same: mafia, drug related, they must have done something....
At 27:50 is a photo of a café at Lower Plenty which probably didn’t belong to the Chan family. Back in 1991 they did own an upmarket Cantonese restaurant called Mings, near the Lower Eltham Park. They also owned a restaurant at Bulleen (correctly indentified) in the video, and possibly another according to the 1991 business phone book.
Recent researchers have claimed that the Chan family never owned the takeaway café at Lower Plenty.
I grew up in that area and am only a few years younger than Karmein. I remember being scared during that time, especially after a friend of mine was followed, and I had an odd experience with a strange man near Eltham Lower Park.
@@wannabebluestockingThanks for your input here. Your experiences would have been unnerving to say the least.
Lower Eltham Park was just across the road from the victim’s family restaurant and a 15-20 minute walk to the first victim’s home. Some researchers say the large ride on model railway here may have a place in these linked crimes i.e. 1988 victim lived near a railway station and was left near a railway line. 1990 victim lived relatively close to a railway line and was left near the old abandoned Outer Metro Line. 1991 victim’s remains were left a short walk from a railway line, and the college the last 2 victims attended was sited along a light rail line.
The police profile claimed the offemder was highly mobile but all this sounds like someone who at least had trains as a hobby. The Lower Eltham Park had multiple reasons available why anyone would be there so it is almost perfect for surveillance.
She saw his face
I can’t believe they’ve never solved this😮
Those poor girls, all of them. 😢
I was living not far from where this happened and upon returning back to Canada I remember constantly checking the Australian news to see if they had found her.. so sad to find out what became of her.. my aunt said she knew the parents too💔
Why won't police listen
so where is the rope? did it disappear from where they stored it? Who had access to it? could the abducter be a police? Wouldn't be the first one.
Oh god, the unbearable pain ....
This is so sad. It breaks my heart.
I remember seeing these stories on the news😢
RIP Karmein, so sorry for Phyllis and the family, no 13 year old girl deserves to have their life ended so prematurely when she was just babysitting her 2 younger sisters, can only imagine the sheer terror Karmein must have experiencing at the hands of her abductor
Such a spin out to see those girls faces again.. I remember them from the missing persons pics in the media at the time…
Karmein was killed by different person.
I always thought this too.
What evidence is offered for this, especially as there are some 20 m.o. matches with the 1991 to some or all of the other 3 incidents, i.e. walking the victim over considerable meterage (1988, 1990, 1991); moonset used as cover (1987, 1990, 1991); connection to electricity (all); robbery ruse (all); the list goes on.
Just my opinion. We're all entitled to one.
@@lindagatti7796Those interested in these cases may have hoped for a clue as to your “opinion”.
@@ladydivine4444Some others cannot give a reason, but maybe you can state why you think that someone else took the last victim?
That opening with the mother's anguish is heartbreaking. As a mom myself, I totally get it. I would be falling all the way apart. 😢
Please say something if you suspect anyone. The mother needs some answer. This us so horrific.
Why am i only finding this channel now 😢
Such a beautiful bright little angelic face. There is NO greater pain for any Family.
Rest In Peace Karmein.🌹😔🌹🕊. 🐾🌈☮️🇨🇦
In the thumbnail advertising the program the victim is only 8 years old. The high forehead and dental arrangement are real giveaways. The victim was 13 1/2 when abducted and looked totally different. The release of an image of when she was 8 caused a controversy back in 1991, which had the general public looking for someone who basically didn’t exist.
Oh my goodness 😭😭 The mother’s plea for her daughter at the beginning! Every “parent” that m urders their children and tries to say it was a k idnapping or some other lie, and you can clearly tell they’re lying or they’re not showing any emotions, they should be shown this mothers plea. This is how an actual grieving mother sounds. The pain in her voice stopped me in my tracks.