Excellent discussion. It has reaffirmed my support for nuclear energy. I cannot wait for election to be be able to rid ourselves of the current incompetent government.
It's a bit odd to state all present are 'Non Partisan' but then all the speakers recite many LNP Talking Points throughout the discussion. Most people would logically concluded that Australia's Electricity Demand will increase somewhat or possibly significantly 2030 beyond (which Mr Price seems to suggest was outrageous and dismissed the Step Change Scenario [The one AEMO says is more likely to happen!]), as we electrify Transport & Industries. Why did Frontier not model & include what that would mean for a heavily dependent Nuclear system? Why not just include it just in case? I imagine they in fact did, but the cost of adding many more reactors and more importantly the time frame to build, maintain, operate & decommission was fairly substantial so didn't look go to highlight those 'difficult' aspects of Nuclear here in Australia! Lets see the calculations on a Nuclear 'Step Change' scenario! Work already been done?
What a wasted opportunity, due to amateur sound recording? Come on Nuclear for Australia, these interviews are VERY important, but if you make the most common recording mistake (not having mics close to each speaker's mouth) then it is unlistenable. Think "noisy restaurant effect". It's made worse because you are all sitting in an audibly reflective room (hard surfaces) which creates echo. On RUclips (or any medium) a lot of people will stop watching within a minute or two. No amount of post-recording sound editing can fix this. This may reduce the audience by up to 90% and decreases the likelihood of people coming back to your channel for more. If your goal is to get this message watched in its entirety by as many people as possible, and shared, you've let yourself down. The speakers are speaking clearly, but their voices are not being picked up clearly. Sorry. You could download the RUclips AI transcript, fix the errors and create a clean pdf that people can download, then add the download link.
It’s great to hear some facts about why Australia needs some form of baseload power Two choices nuclear or coal I was an anti nuclear labor voter but I will be voting nuclear next election 🗳️ stick that where the sun doesn’t shine Chris Bowen
Why hasn’t the Federal governments and state governments supported local companies like Thorion in Western Australia who have developed and manufactured vanadium battery storage and remoter small power plants built in Perth, Western Australia, owned by Australians and employing local workforce?
These are very toxic materials and may not compete with lithium and sodium batteries. I believe that the more liquid you add, the bigger the storage capacity. Lithium exports are a priority, I believe. Australia's market is small, and Australian innovation just creates a market that others invade. A good friend suffered this attack on his Australian initiative. Tailgate forklifts are everywhere now. Other friends left the East Australian Coast environment for the Western Australian business environment and made $millions. There are too many sharks that steal your business ideas even in Australia.
I agree that plutonium electricity can be constant electricity. Basically fixed GRID COSTS and FIXED GENERATION COSTS for 60years to 100years. These fixed costs are offset by the customers cashflow. If only ONE customer, then that customers has to pay the entire total cost plus profit on the entire MASSIVE infrastructure investment. This is simple economics. If that one customer gets a vehicle with a massive battery and parks it at home all night long, and 23hrs every day, and puts in 33m² of rooftop PV for 33kwh daily electricity, then that customer can switch grid electricity off. No grid infrastructure cashflow. Grid owners will feel SHTTSNPANTS. Do not delete this post.
Put Elon Musk in the room if you want a real perspective. I am reminded of the old joke that Chemical Engineers talk about chemistry to other engineers, and they talk about engineering to Chemists.
Danny Price, Economists. Hydrogen storage and power plant combination proposed by SA Labor report on modelling. 24 March 2021. ' Government backing of this world first large scale plant combination will, like the Tesla Big Battery, propel the development of this technology. Frontier Economics’ modelling showed that this plant would reduce the wholesale electricity price in SA by 8%. ' Not all modelling succeeds, fair enough. Engineers biggest failure is solving the wrong problem. 😕 The design effort can be useful but the full facts are needed. New information and opinions can change.
Can you imagine the sunniest continent, Australia, leading the world in plutonium production and clean nuclear electricity production. 4 tonnes of plutonium from base load electricity Forget coal $10BILLION exports to China. Uranium Yellowcake exports lead recovery for Australian economy. For centuries. National Electricity grid expansion worldwide. For expanding nuclear electricity generation. Iron ore and coal and copper and zinc and aluminium and... exports lead recovery for Australian economy. For decades. Australia can also export lithium and rare earth minerals and aluminium for batteries and EVs. Minerals exports can add to the Australian economy boom. PV panels now cheaper than windows $m ² installed and electricity dirt-cheap. Australia can cover a corner of their rooftop and trickle charge their vehicles massive battery. Australia economy can save $60billion yearly on imported petroleum. Save $40billion yearly on natural gas. $100sBILLIONS on grid electricity. 80% of the world's population live in dictatorships. Dictators love plutonium. Australia's best customers. 👌😊
"PV panels now cheaper than windows..." Then build or buy a factory or data-center, and power it off-grid with nothing but its own solar power-service system. Tell us how well you're doing in 10 years.
What a great session of valuable information. What a shame the sound quality is so poor.
Such an essential discussion marred by gaps in the sound recording.
Sound keeps cutting out.
Excellent discussion. It has reaffirmed my support for nuclear energy. I cannot wait for election to be be able to rid ourselves of the current incompetent government.
It's a bit odd to state all present are 'Non Partisan' but then all the speakers recite many LNP Talking Points throughout the discussion.
Most people would logically concluded that Australia's Electricity Demand will increase somewhat or possibly significantly 2030 beyond (which Mr Price seems to suggest was outrageous and dismissed the Step Change Scenario [The one AEMO says is more likely to happen!]), as we electrify Transport & Industries. Why did Frontier not model & include what that would mean for a heavily dependent Nuclear system? Why not just include it just in case? I imagine they in fact did, but the cost of adding many more reactors and more importantly the time frame to build, maintain, operate & decommission was fairly substantial so didn't look go to highlight those 'difficult' aspects of Nuclear here in Australia!
Lets see the calculations on a Nuclear 'Step Change' scenario! Work already been done?
Going to have to pay attention to cleaning out the PS otherwise the approval process will be hamstrung.
What a wasted opportunity, due to amateur sound recording? Come on Nuclear for Australia, these interviews are VERY important, but if you make the most common recording mistake (not having mics close to each speaker's mouth) then it is unlistenable. Think "noisy restaurant effect". It's made worse because you are all sitting in an audibly reflective room (hard surfaces) which creates echo. On RUclips (or any medium) a lot of people will stop watching within a minute or two. No amount of post-recording sound editing can fix this. This may reduce the audience by up to 90% and decreases the likelihood of people coming back to your channel for more. If your goal is to get this message watched in its entirety by as many people as possible, and shared, you've let yourself down. The speakers are speaking clearly, but their voices are not being picked up clearly. Sorry. You could download the RUclips AI transcript, fix the errors and create a clean pdf that people can download, then add the download link.
It’s great to hear some facts about why Australia needs some form of baseload power
Two choices nuclear or coal
I was an anti nuclear labor voter but I will be voting nuclear next election 🗳️
stick that where the sun doesn’t shine Chris Bowen
Why hasn’t the Federal governments and state governments supported local companies like Thorion in Western Australia who have developed and manufactured vanadium battery storage and remoter small power plants built in Perth, Western Australia, owned by Australians and employing local workforce?
These are very toxic materials and may not compete with lithium and sodium batteries.
I believe that the more liquid you add, the bigger the storage capacity.
Lithium exports are a priority, I believe.
Australia's market is small, and Australian innovation just creates a market that others invade.
A good friend suffered this attack on his Australian initiative.
Tailgate forklifts are everywhere now.
Other friends left the East Australian Coast environment for the Western Australian business environment and made $millions.
There are too many sharks that steal your business ideas even in Australia.
I agree that plutonium electricity can be constant electricity.
Basically fixed GRID COSTS and FIXED GENERATION COSTS for 60years to 100years.
These fixed costs are offset by the customers cashflow.
If only ONE customer, then that customers has to pay the entire total cost plus profit on the entire MASSIVE infrastructure investment.
This is simple economics.
If that one customer gets a vehicle with a massive battery and parks it at home all night long, and 23hrs every day, and puts in 33m² of rooftop PV for 33kwh daily electricity, then that customer can switch grid electricity off.
No grid infrastructure cashflow.
Grid owners will feel SHTTSNPANTS.
Do not delete this post.
Taxpayer costflow to start it and consumer outflow to pay for something which is not fit for purpose.
Nuclear is totally unsuitable for Australian conditions.
Put Elon Musk in the room if you want a real perspective.
I am reminded of the old joke that Chemical Engineers talk about chemistry to other engineers, and they talk about engineering to Chemists.
Danny Price, Economists.
Hydrogen storage and power plant combination proposed by SA Labor report on modelling.
24 March 2021.
' Government backing of this world first large scale plant combination will, like the Tesla Big Battery, propel the development of this technology. Frontier Economics’ modelling showed that this plant would reduce the wholesale electricity price in SA by 8%. '
Not all modelling succeeds, fair enough.
Engineers biggest failure is solving the wrong problem. 😕
The design effort can be useful but the full facts are needed.
New information and opinions can change.
I agree with many parts and matters they all bring to the topic.
But they are fundamentally wrong in their logic and main conclusions.
England and the US have nuclear energy power stations, yet their power bills are pathetically high.
For example ??
I am not for nuclear electricity as it only stops Australia CO2 emissions by a tiny amount.
And leads to a cavalcade of new problems.
I wish we had prices as low as some US states, California excepted where renewables are high and prices higher.
Britain tried and failed to go solar and wind and they failed badly. They've just closed down yet another off-shore wind farm at huge expense..
4 tonnes of plutonium is only 0.2m³, a very small volume that can be handled easily. 😮 😊😊😊
Handled by anyone 🤔 😕
When you said a ‘diverse team’ I felt very suddenly triggered and alarmed 😢 I nearly fled!! Please be careful some of us are very sensitive! 😂
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Snowflakes can't stand DEI.
Can you imagine the sunniest continent, Australia, leading the world in plutonium production and clean nuclear electricity production.
4 tonnes of plutonium from base load electricity
Forget coal $10BILLION exports to China.
Uranium Yellowcake exports lead recovery for Australian economy. For centuries.
National Electricity grid expansion worldwide.
For expanding nuclear electricity generation.
Iron ore and coal and copper and zinc and aluminium and... exports lead recovery for Australian economy. For decades.
Australia can also export lithium and rare earth minerals and aluminium for batteries and EVs.
Minerals exports can add to the Australian economy boom.
PV panels now cheaper than windows $m ² installed and electricity dirt-cheap.
Australia can cover a corner of their rooftop and trickle charge their vehicles massive battery.
Australia economy can save $60billion yearly on imported petroleum. Save $40billion yearly on natural gas. $100sBILLIONS on grid electricity.
80% of the world's population live in dictatorships.
Dictators love plutonium.
Australia's best customers. 👌😊
"PV panels now cheaper than windows..."
Then build or buy a factory or data-center, and power it off-grid with nothing but its own solar power-service system. Tell us how well you're doing in 10 years.
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You always go to the one extreme.