1924 British Cameraphone Collapsible Miniature Gramophone playing a Vogue Picture Record
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- This is a so-called cameraphone, but not what you think: a cellphone with camera. It's a collapsible mini record player from the 1920's
We see and hear it playing a very delicate Vogue picture record 723 with the train song "Wave To Me, My Lady", without doing any harm to it.
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Interesting to think that picture discs existed back then too, not just in the vinyl era.
Picture discs were fairly common in Japan and they were often used as children's songs.
Beautiful record player and record
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I love the song wave to me my lady so so much and Also the quality of those vinyls are suprisingly in good condition
Goodness me this is rather DELIGHTFUL!! 😍
A wonderful little machine, works well!
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Thanks Beautiful phonograph
Outside of a picture disk on RUclips from about 1920, I had a 1928 copyright disk of Astology sign reading gor Virgo on front and sobg aboutastology on back. Construction of celluloid, with printed emblem of Virgo on front and starry sky on back. Bought in used book store that had a coble of similar with other signs.
VOUGE records date from 1947-19490period. All Ive seen were pop, country, or childs kidd music
Theyare made of hard plastic with insert inßide.
They have a symbolic painting, something like an album cover for each song side and a blac & white photo of artist.
Of course the Vogue Picture Disc was produced about 20 years after this tiny machine was made. The inconsistency in speed would make me a dissatisfied customer if I'd bought a Cameraphone new. And even if the record player was little and easy to carry, the records themselves were larger, heavier, and far more fragile that it was. It was actually easier to transport a full-sized portable player with a compartment for the discs instead of this thing and a batch of records separately.
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That ending is awesome!
Thank you for showing this delightful player and thank you for your excellent description of it . I have one of these and it is my pride and Joy. I don’t think there are many left with the lovely speaker . Best wishes. Ida
It needs a heavy platter. I am not at all sensitive to wow and flutter, but there was a lot of flutter in this. I always assumed the big heavy platter on most wind up gramophones was what allowed them to maintain a decent constant speed when you consider the leaf-spring based regulator they have.
@@tarstarkusz the usual idea is to put one record down, then another on top, with the first acting as a sort of turntable.
@@gunnarthefeisty I don't think it is slipping though. I think it simply lacks a flywheel. I suppose a record is a better flywheel than air.
@@tarstarkusz certainly. Any one of these I've seen with a 78 used as a platter stabilizes the tonearm quite a bit and prevents most or all of that warbling sound. I''ll be getting one in the summer so I'll be sure to make a video on it!
@@gunnarthefeisty The big heavy platter acts as a flywheel. The speed regulator of a windup works by centrifugal force why applies a mechanical brake usually lined with felt. That is not exactly smooth. So the mass of a spinning flywheel smooths out the warbling by virtue of mass wanting to continue moving. (an object in motion wants to stay in motion).
Good, I hope you make the video. I check out these gadgets occasionally, so I'm sure I'll find it.
There's a really cool one by Pathe' that uses a paper speaker. Not portable though.
Beautiful phonograph
I forgot shellac picture discs existed TBH. The earliest popularity I've heard for picture discs in general is the 1970s, well into the vinyl era.
Very cool, thanks for uploading!
Interesting to see, but I'd never want one of these. I want the one with the big fucking horn sticking out of it.
the cameraphone co was just one of the gramophone companies with their roots in the WWI trenches bored soldiers made all kind of gramophone contraptions in the trenches best known is the Nirona light co who made motorcycle light reflectors and searchlights soldiers would construct gramophone tonearms in these reflectors and the sound would be amplified.
same here the soldiers would empty out hand grenades to get to the powder or cordite the french ones left two half-spheres drill holes in that attatch a tonearm and you have a resonator! the shape is still visible in the model above!
Portable music was a lot earlier than we thought...
"Will play any record" made before about 1925 when orthophonic records came out, and especially made before about 1936 when they stopped using shellac and the new surface could be destroyed by victrola-type single use steel needles!
That said, I enjoyed watching the little gramohphone play the big record. Thanks for posting!
cawag98; Let 'em tear their valuable records up on prehistoric equipment. If they don't know better, they deserve what they get.
It goes the other way around the newer records could damage the soundboxes on the older acoustic gramophones that werent made for such a wide range of frequences , most records were shellac and its pretty easy to tell shellac from plastic as its mutch heavier but most records were shellac and made for regular windups as thats what most people had and what was sold, electric gramophones were a luxurie up until the 40’s - 50’s. The records are alright to play on any macheine provided the needle is chamged with each play.
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That's amazing 👍.....will a vinyl be destroyed when played on it?
I am often accused to destroy my precious Vogue records by playing them on an old wind-up gramophone. Here my comment: The cameraphone was made in 1924, the Vogue record in 1946. The 33 1/3 rpm format was introduced in 1949, the 45 rpm format a year later. There was only 78 rpm before, and most of it was acoustic. Why would the Vogue records have been launched, knowing they couldn't been played on contemporary acoustic gramophones - especially on these cameraphones, that have a very short and light tonearm and lightweight sound box ? The general rule to use soft steel needles and discard them after playing one record side, is still mandatory. I did not observe any wear, be it visual or acoustical. Have a look at my 1929 radiogram playing a 33 1/3 rpm record here: ruclips.net/video/h1mb0te3wVo/видео.html
People were more "green "back then than we are now ...
Indeed ! But they didn't know it ^^
Running quite fast.
I have 2 shelac picture discs that are 6 inches
Too fast?
just wait a bit... by 2/3rds of the way through it's getting to 'too slow'...
Could not play LPs...?
They didn't exist at the time this player was produced.
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Presently vinyil gramphone availabe in india or other countries
NO! If you think the flutter was bad in this fine specimen, you really don't want to hear that indian crap. Most of them say "for decoration only" They make the Chinese look like the Swiss!
Where is the freakin camera? The only pix is the one on the top of the record.
Its called Cameraphone for the size!
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cameraphone but it's not a camera or a phone