@@raynemichelle2996 I mean, you can't exactly expect "Hi-Fi" out of an old cylinder record. Keep in mind, Tomas Edison only got the patent for his lightbulb in 1878, 10 years after the hardware on display here had first been invented. You must admit though, It sounds a lot better being fresh off the recording lathe than if it were a real cylinder record from the time period. Case & Point, here's a recording on brown wax from the 1890's; notice the improved fidelity in comparison. ruclips.net/video/c0dJc7kP4pM/видео.html&ab_channel=TimGracyk
We were present at this demonstration when they reopened the Edison laboratories after renovations. Since the demo was outside, it was necessary to use a microphone, amplifier, and speakers to amplify the playback of the cylinder recording. By the way, the recording was remarkably clear and very impressive, giving a good idea of the quality of Edison's technology in the late 1880s and beyond.
Melt about 2 cups beef tallow, Mix in 2 teaspoons of powdered graphite, While stirring pour in your water caustic lye solution (like making soap). take a toilet paper cardboard dip it twice into the solution before it saponifies, let it harden, shape it to size make a plaster mold so it fits the mandrel. shape and shave the cylinder and voila you have a blank cylinder for recording
@emily5968 . It worked. However I forgot one important step all my blanks separated the glycerols over time. One has to do Trans esterification of the filtered tallow to get the glycerols out of the tallow. And right now I don't live in a location that's feasible to do this. My friend in a small town south of me is super busy now. If I ever get a chance to get a good ventilated shop I will do the process over again. And I will put up a private video. There's a few more processes after the finished product. Also I'm not going to devulge in the extra secret ingredients I use. That method was just basic. I have 2 5 gallon pails of rezin from a certain tree that grows in abundance here that needs to be processed ( the secret ingredient) that I add to the Trans esterifided finished product afterwards.
as a kid I would of found this incredibly boring to stand thier and watch this and never understand why my parents like vinyl records etc but now I find it incredibly fascinating. clever how a series of grooves can reproduce music so perfectly.
@rweerakkody4565 Exactly, yes. This was their "grand re-opening" weekend after renovations that kept the museum closed for nearly 6 years. He didn't necessarily impersonate Edison, just was a look-alike walking around the grounds.
+blitzv10 Yes. But it's been around non-stop for well over 100 years. "Hipsters" are just now finding it out... yes, they'll ruin it in some way as they always do, but at least they're starting to appreciate it. ("Hipsters" ruin record collecting and other long-term technologies and artistic mediums by changing the terminology and misunderstanding various facts, then replacing the original, accurate, information with their error-poisoned misunderstandings.)
Excellent! I need to get to this museum with my kids. I visited it many years ago when I was a kid. I bought a wonderful Edison transitional Model B phonograph from a guy named Tim! It is a beautiful piece of machinery!
The guy playing Edison is an actor by the name of patrick garner, you might remember him as Chad's dad from the Mad Real World sketch on Chappelle's Show.
i remember visiting edison’s lab in the ford museum and greenfield village. the brought out a phonograph and did a recording of “ mary had a little lamb.” when it played back… i was blown away. i had shivers. it was so cool. i could hear the woman’s voice. in that cylinder. no electronics. so. FREAKING. COOL! my little nerd brain exploded. i imagine that’s how people of that day felt when the heard RECORDED SOUND!!!!!!!! 🤯🤯
Hello from Cuba!!! This is so amazing!!! I wish I could find one of those cylinder phonographs here in my country... So far only vinyl and shellac records!!! I will keep looking... Great demonstration! Thanks!
@Phonophan79 a bystander hired to act as Edsion. wow thats a long time: 6 years to renovate a museum. well thats nice to welcome the opening of a worthful museum by surprising the public with pre-sound recording (amidst the modern sound recording techniques). thanks for uploading this.
If I am not mistaken, the original rendition was in the key of C and the final one seems to be in C + 30 cents, i.e., only a minor pitch shift. I didn’t note if there was a tempo shift but if it was there, it was pretty likely minor. But the recording did manage to make the guitar sound a bit like a mandolin and ig somewhat altered the singer’s timbre as well. Goes to show you that different harmonics are "caught" to different extents on the wax. Still overall, an unimaginable and near-magical feat.
A very good recoding, a guitar is particularly difficult to record acoustically. Yes the blanks are an aluminum soap, with some wax to keep them from being hygroscopic.
Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project, University of California at Santa Barbara enables you to download mp3s of historic wax cylinder recordings: cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/
Impressive! This was a huge breakthrough during its time. Before this invention no human or living thing was able to hear recorded and reproduced sound of any type.
Yes - that's him and he's a major force in the "Phonograph world " in the UK - sadly in severe decline. He makes all sorts of Wax Cylinders - including Concert ones
He's eight about the metallic soap compound. NEVER try and clean even a sturdier post 1902 black wax cylinder under the tap. It will fall apart in your hands. I know :((
Very interesting demonstration. I don't understand why they would use a microphone when playing it back. Couldn't they have just used a machine with a bigger horn? Sure makes sense to me!
Before 1909 an announcer would bellow the title of the piece followed by that of the manufacturer. Then the music and singing would start. I say BELLOW because sound decays and he had to record audible speech for 5-10 cylinders -at a time, before dubbing and pantograph mass production got going. I've heard remarkably clear & clean cylinders and I've heard ones that were hardly more than surface roar. Listen to "Dixie" played by Issler's orchestra here.
If you enjoy this, also go and search for "Recording the Bat City Six" by Semper Phonograph Company. It's a studio band comprised of members of East Side Dandies and Thrift Set Orchestra here in Austin, TX. Recorded in my living room, sounds authentic!
In fact it sounds like 1920s. But the impressive thing is how this piece of primitive technology of late 1800s still works. And so, how it sounded when new (taking in count the actual old records are pretty damaged, like play a wasted vynil)
Well, this cylinder turned out remarkably easy to listen to & understand. A little needle scratch due to the imperfections of a wax (resin) cylinder, but remarkably clear and crisp. The spoken intro was pre-1909ish as the spoken announcement was dispensed with in that 1909. Had cylinder records maintained their popularity past 1929, we might have had electrically recorded cylinders with microphones instead of horns.
It's a soft bristle brush to brush off the shaved off wax. The recorder carves the groove, so wax goes flying off and onto the cylinder. That's why he's blowing on the cylinder while its recording, so that the shaved wax doesnt build up
@ORUPRANKSTAZ All true. But in their case, it's a bit more than that. Previous inquiries about reissuing this material onto CD were answered with concerns about whether such projects would sell. That comment came from an organization specializing in American history and whose outlet shop's only musical offerings are CDs containing re-recorded versions of overplayed early rock and roll hits.
Anyone know how they were replicated in mass quantities ? Played back on another player that would trace the original groves ? One by one or how ? interesting
Starting in 1902 they were able to create a mold from the original recording that could be used to produce copies on a large scale without a phonograph. Before that, they weren't really mass produced; the earliest cylinders were created from unique recording sessions.
I wonder if it is possible to use Artificial Intelligence (AI) to reconstruct a hifi recording out of old wax roll recordings by feeding it recordings like in this video with a hifi and a wax recording of the same music event. By giving it lots of examples it may be able to clear all the noise/ticks and synthesize the missing information in the wax recording to elevate it to a hifi version.
Discs were recorded electrically starting in 1925-'26, as I remember, so didn't any of the cylinders in their last 3 years of life also get recorded that way too? And I presume that cylinder players had long since become electrically operated by then as well, with speakers, as disc players had.
This is a fascinating thing to watch and hear - after listening to a great many cylinders and discs over the years. Every time that new cylinder is played, its surface is unfortunately being worn down by the needle that's being dragged over it, so it will gradually lose more and more of its sound.
If you're interested, Sound On Sound Magazine's youtube channel has a great video on recording on 1950s equipment. "Recording in a 1950s Recording Studio".
So that's how music in 2009 was made. Crazy to think how far we've come
Lmao
Ikr
We ARE the future!!
Have we really advanced? The boom, boom, boom that passes as music belongs in the stoneage.
🤣
It's nice to hear what a fresh cut sounded like... without 100 years of age on it. It's better fidelity than one would expect.
Precisely what I was thinking-it’s the next best thing to actually being in the Edison studio in the early 1900s. The level of clarity shocked me too.
like ya cut g
Which makes me think how many of these (what last at least) of these cylinders sounded so good back in the day 🥺
It still sounds old times tho
@@raynemichelle2996 I mean, you can't exactly expect "Hi-Fi" out of an old cylinder record. Keep in mind, Tomas Edison only got the patent for his lightbulb in 1878, 10 years after the hardware on display here had first been invented. You must admit though, It sounds a lot better being fresh off the recording lathe than if it were a real cylinder record from the time period. Case & Point, here's a recording on brown wax from the 1890's; notice the improved fidelity in comparison. ruclips.net/video/c0dJc7kP4pM/видео.html&ab_channel=TimGracyk
We were present at this demonstration when they reopened the Edison laboratories after renovations. Since the demo was outside, it was necessary to use a microphone, amplifier, and speakers to amplify the playback of the cylinder recording. By the way, the recording was remarkably clear and very impressive, giving a good idea of the quality of Edison's technology in the late 1880s and beyond.
Hot Tuna sang a good version if this song.
No electricity needed, just energy of the soundwaves doing the work. Marvelous.
I would love to see cylinder recordings of hardcore punk rock.
rEdf196 there is a cylinder recording of electric music! I don't have a link so you'll have to google it :P
like I've been trying to tell people the old is the new
that's exactly what I always think when I see this stuff.
in stereo :D
If you go on Rob Scallon’s channel, soon he’ll post a metal song recorded on wax
Melt about 2 cups beef tallow, Mix in 2 teaspoons of powdered graphite, While stirring pour in your water caustic lye solution (like making soap). take a toilet paper cardboard dip it twice into the solution before it saponifies, let it harden, shape it to size make a plaster mold so it fits the mandrel. shape and shave the cylinder and voila you have a blank cylinder for recording
@emily5968 . It worked. However I forgot one important step all my blanks separated the glycerols over time. One has to do Trans esterification of the filtered tallow to get the glycerols out of the tallow. And right now I don't live in a location that's feasible to do this. My friend in a small town south of me is super busy now. If I ever get a chance to get a good ventilated shop I will do the process over again. And I will put up a private video. There's a few more processes after the finished product. Also I'm not going to devulge in the extra secret ingredients I use. That method was just basic. I have 2 5 gallon pails of rezin from a certain tree that grows in abundance here that needs to be processed ( the secret ingredient) that I add to the Trans esterifided finished product afterwards.
as a kid I would of found this incredibly boring to stand thier and watch this and never understand why my parents like vinyl records etc but now I find it incredibly fascinating. clever how a series of grooves can reproduce music so perfectly.
Lots of audiophiles prefer vinyl to CDs/MP3s.
@KING VICTROLA I don't have any channel info that I'm aware of
A cookie for the guy in the audience at 8:45 that says: "it sounds like an old recording"... *facepalm*
fat Americans...
Patrick Allen I literally saw this comment right as he said it
I'm Negan okay then
Patrick Allen More like a neck
I wonder how a new song would sound, when recorded on to wax like this!
I always wondered why recorded/popular songs got locked into a 3 and a half minute length. Thanks Edison.
Amazingly simple but effective technology. Really puts it in to perspective.
I love the warble - such a classic sound.
Cool to hear how it really sounded followed by the recording.
That guy on the guitar. He's amazing.
@rweerakkody4565 Exactly, yes. This was their "grand re-opening" weekend after renovations that kept the museum closed for nearly 6 years. He didn't necessarily impersonate Edison, just was a look-alike walking around the grounds.
I'm happy to see Dwight got a job as a park ranger. He's always loved nature.
What blows my mind is how loud it is. Purely mechanical!
is this a new level of hipster i haven't heard about
+blitzv10 Yes. But it's been around non-stop for well over 100 years. "Hipsters" are just now finding it out... yes, they'll ruin it in some way as they always do, but at least they're starting to appreciate it. ("Hipsters" ruin record collecting and other long-term technologies and artistic mediums by changing the terminology and misunderstanding various facts, then replacing the original, accurate, information with their error-poisoned misunderstandings.)
However, real hippies.. actually like stuff and appreciate how it is..and try to learn the real deal of whatever it is..
ArtifactAttic I agree
Edison was a "hipster"? Who knew.
@Discrimination is not a right, Butt hurt pretentious liberal asswipe hipster detected.
Excellent! I need to get to this museum with my kids. I visited it many years ago when I was a kid.
I bought a wonderful Edison transitional Model B phonograph from a guy named Tim! It is a beautiful piece of machinery!
100% mechanical recording ! Truly Masterpiece !
The guy playing Edison is an actor by the name of patrick garner, you might remember him as Chad's dad from the Mad Real World sketch on Chappelle's Show.
Lmao he's the one that gets stabbed
Dwight Shrute in the wild
This video: Some park ranger helps Elton John record some ragtime song onto a toilet paper roll.
Horns don't get all that much bigger... and being outdoors on a windy day in front of an audience are all factors for using a microphone.
VERY GOOOOD FOR ORIGINAL SOUND HISTORY NO DIGITAL
720p in 2009 that is ahead of its time.
I always find it strange when I see such a clear image in RUclips video before 2010.
i remember visiting edison’s lab in the ford museum and greenfield village.
the brought out a phonograph and did a recording of “ mary had a little lamb.”
when it played back…
i was blown away.
i had shivers.
it was so cool. i could hear the woman’s voice. in that cylinder.
no electronics.
so.
FREAKING.
COOL!
my little nerd brain exploded.
i imagine that’s how people of that day felt when the heard
RECORDED SOUND!!!!!!!!
🤯🤯
The recording quality for dialogue is exceptional.
Early records of all types had so much flutter
that I can't imagine listening to them very long without experiencing severe fatigue.
lol imagine a quartz locked direct drive cylinder machine, i wonder what that would sound like
@@kodinamsinh1267
Someone did, years ago. Look up "Archeophone".
Hello from Cuba!!! This is so amazing!!! I wish I could find one of those cylinder phonographs here in my country... So far only vinyl and shellac records!!! I will keep looking... Great demonstration! Thanks!
@Phonophan79 a bystander hired to act as Edsion. wow thats a long time: 6 years to renovate a museum. well thats nice to welcome the opening of a worthful museum by surprising the public with pre-sound recording (amidst the modern sound recording techniques). thanks for uploading this.
3:39 It sound like he was singing a ni**** is a ni**** at first 😂
Guess I'm not the only one, lol
If I am not mistaken, the original rendition was in the key of C and the final one seems to be in C + 30 cents, i.e., only a minor pitch shift. I didn’t note if there was a tempo shift but if it was there, it was pretty likely minor. But the recording did manage to make the guitar sound a bit like a mandolin and ig somewhat altered the singer’s timbre as well. Goes to show you that different harmonics are "caught" to different extents on the wax. Still overall, an unimaginable and near-magical feat.
It's analog, so a chance in pitch is accompanied with an equivalent change in tempo.
@@joseislanio8910Aha
Perfectly clear
and i thought 4-track was retro...
The "Collector" from England mentioned is Mr Paul Morris of Exeter.
That black cone sure has some moves...
A very good recoding, a guitar is particularly difficult to record acoustically. Yes the blanks are an aluminum soap, with some wax to keep them from being hygroscopic.
This whole video is amazing.
Very cool video, great entertainment. I was surprised at how good the recording came out. Great quality for a 100 year old talking machine.
Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project, University of California at Santa Barbara enables you to download mp3s of historic wax cylinder recordings: cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/
What's really crazy, is that recording, uploading and watching this on youtube, is just a different way to do pretty much the same thing.
Recording acoustics, 👊👊👊👊👊✋✋🐮🎧📠🎬📠💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻💻
That recording would last longer than any mobile phone
Que delicia ver y escuchar como traen de vuelta a la vida estos tesoros! GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR CON TODOS NOSOTROS!
Impressive! This was a huge breakthrough during its time. Before this invention no human or living thing was able to hear recorded and reproduced sound of any type.
Wonderful demonstration! Thank you for posting!
Yes - that's him and he's a major force in the "Phonograph world " in the UK - sadly in severe decline.
He makes all sorts of Wax Cylinders - including Concert ones
What a great demonstration - thanks!
Now Im thinking in .. ¿What is HI- Fi ?....In that cylinder. Great accoustic memory recorded. Fantastic invention of Mr Edison & Berliner ....!!!!!!!
Excellent video of Phonograph, i do teach media technologies. So this is very helpful to understand cylinder recorder and player. Thanks for sharing.
He's eight about the metallic soap compound. NEVER try and clean even a sturdier post 1902 black wax cylinder under the tap. It will fall apart in your hands. I know :((
great demo, see how it was done and sounded 100 years ago
Only 1880s kids will remember.
Very interesting demonstration.
I don't understand why they would use a microphone when playing it back. Couldn't they have just used a machine with a bigger horn? Sure makes sense to me!
The bigger the horn the higher the pressure on the cylinder, which will cause wear on the cylinder extremely quickly and destroy the grooves.
Before 1909 an announcer would bellow the title of the piece followed by that of the manufacturer. Then the music and singing would start.
I say BELLOW because sound decays and he had to record audible speech for 5-10 cylinders -at a time, before dubbing and pantograph mass production got going.
I've heard remarkably clear & clean cylinders and I've heard ones that were hardly more than surface roar. Listen to "Dixie" played by Issler's orchestra here.
excellent demonstration, thank you!
simply awesome
If you enjoy this, also go and search for "Recording the Bat City Six" by Semper Phonograph Company. It's a studio band comprised of members of East Side Dandies and Thrift Set Orchestra here in Austin, TX. Recorded in my living room, sounds authentic!
In fact it sounds like 1920s. But the impressive thing is how this piece of primitive technology of late 1800s still works. And so, how it sounded when new (taking in count the actual old records are pretty damaged, like play a wasted vynil)
And thus the one moment-in-time is preserved for ever-and-all-time!
. : .
This is amazing! thank you for that! incredibly interesting!
Well, this cylinder turned out remarkably easy to listen to & understand. A little needle scratch due to the imperfections of a wax (resin) cylinder, but remarkably clear and crisp.
The spoken intro was pre-1909ish as the spoken announcement was dispensed with in that 1909.
Had cylinder records maintained their popularity past 1929, we might have had electrically recorded cylinders with microphones instead of horns.
6:00 Whats that? I mean what is he using for the brushing of wax cylinder ?
It's a soft bristle brush to brush off the shaved off wax. The recorder carves the groove, so wax goes flying off and onto the cylinder. That's why he's blowing on the cylinder while its recording, so that the shaved wax doesnt build up
@ORUPRANKSTAZ All true. But in their case, it's a bit more than that. Previous inquiries about reissuing this material onto CD were answered with concerns about whether such projects would sell. That comment came from an organization specializing in American history and whose outlet shop's only musical offerings are CDs containing re-recorded versions of overplayed early rock and roll hits.
Awesome video!
Anyone know how they were replicated in mass quantities ? Played back on another player that would trace the original groves ? One by one or how ? interesting
Starting in 1902 they were able to create a mold from the original recording that could be used to produce copies on a large scale without a phonograph. Before that, they weren't really mass produced; the earliest cylinders were created from unique recording sessions.
Search wikipedia for "Phonograph cylinder" for all the answers.
Amazing history lesson. Thank you for sharing!!!
Check out the guitar--looks like a National Res-o-Phonic from the late 1920s.
Someone ought to make a Netflix series on the gramophone. I mean like a docu-drama. 🥺
I wonder if it is possible to use Artificial Intelligence (AI) to reconstruct a hifi recording out of old wax roll recordings by feeding it recordings like in this video with a hifi and a wax recording of the same music event. By giving it lots of examples it may be able to clear all the noise/ticks and synthesize the missing information in the wax recording to elevate it to a hifi version.
"Only 90's kids will remember"
Pajeet Ahluwalia this was 1890s..
Discs were recorded electrically starting in 1925-'26, as I remember, so didn't any of the cylinders in their last 3 years of life also get recorded that way too? And I presume that cylinder players had long since become electrically operated by then as well, with speakers, as disc players had.
audio technology has sure come a long way since these infancy days of recording
Incredibly facinating
I love these photographs, I find them as great monarchs of the past (including the first light bulb).
Huh?
SO cool. Can't beat "hands on" -anything. Wondering if they dropped the cylinder into an ice bath might it help with crisper playback??
Cool video, the people talking constantly in the background during the demonstration are pretty annoying.
+seppomuppit no respect to edison :)
So darn cool! Thanks for sharing.
Please show us how to make one and do this stuff.. that would be the coolest thing ever.
This is awesome
This is a fascinating thing to watch and hear - after listening to a great many cylinders and discs over the years.
Every time that new cylinder is played, its surface is unfortunately being worn down by the needle that's being dragged over it, so it will gradually lose more and more of its sound.
Esta super bueno
Im surprised how well that sounds to be honest.
a classic video! I watch it a lot! I love it!
La canción se llama Hesitation Blues, No se como se llama el cantante
great experiment！
great reproduction！
MY QUESTION COMMENT WHAT WAS PHYICS FORMULA THAT CREATED SOUNDS OF VOICE AND VISUAL TO TALKING MACHINE VICTROLA ECT...
I was listening to a recording of Lord Tennyson on wax before I came here wondering about how it was done.
Very nice song, I must say.
Imaginense gravar una canción de hoy actualmente
That was cool.
my grandfather used to get those ads,, buy 6 wax cylinders and get another for only 1 penny
This is SO amazing!!
who was the gentleman in the white wig and the formal dress? was he an edison mascott / impersonator?
Recorded by vibration. The player was a crank up. No electricity.
Alguien puede decirme còmo se llama el cantante y la canción? Can someone tell me the name of the singer and the title of the song?
This is awesome!
Excelente trabajo hacen ustedes, al dar a conocer a las nuevas generaciones las maravillosas creaciones de la mente humana!
Congratulaciones.
Watching in 15th of October 2024😢
Do you have the equipment to recreate 50s recordings?
If you're interested, Sound On Sound Magazine's youtube channel has a great video on recording on 1950s equipment. "Recording in a 1950s Recording Studio".