That's not what the video is about though? He's got other video for sinking the vocal and gluing to the mix, you just need to search his page. I just discovered this guy 3 hrs ago & already figured that out, so I'm not sure what's holding you back. He can't do everything in one video, it would be too long, & it helps his channel to split subjects up.
Just wanna say for anyone who hates sidechaining or have a corrupt daw like me that no longer allows for the sidechain function for some reason...many plugins have an auto ducking feature so it acts like a sidechain compressor onto whatever material is going through it and there's a mix knob so you can dial it just right, it makes life much easier. There's a thread on KVR which plugins have the feature, many are free, Cubase stock delay (cubase owners only), Kilohearts (free bundle plus many more great plugins), VoS NastyDLA mkII etc. Nice job as always Streaky, it's very easy to forget some of these processes while mixing and your tips are always really helpful. 👍
All's good but I prefer vocals, especially solo voices without any chorus effect. To me doing chorus makes vocals sound kind of boxed up and unnatural. I'd rather go in for controlled amounts of two delays and reverbs each through the aux or send busses. The first delay being slappy and pretty short happening in a narrow stereo range and the second in a wider stereo range, set as an alternated L+R tapper. Same with the reverbs, first one set as a short and small spaces room and the second as a big plate or hall or whatever big space preferred according to the genre, song etc.
Streaky, this is probably a newbie question, but why did you create 3 separate buses for the vocal track between the reverb, delay, and doubler? I assume it's to control the mix send for each separate effect chain. Just trying to understand the method of having the initial effect chain on the vocal track...then the additional effect chains on the 3 buses.
I have the same comment as the one below. That being said, I got the full picture when the compressor was added.-> Use the compressor after the slightly high wet effect. It levels the centre of the (mono) dry signal back into the stereo field. Clever yet very logical approach if you let it sink in.
Loved the plug for your plugin ha ha! Good tips. I agree with others that it started to sound worse with the phasing (delay,octave difference L/R pan). Perhaps a little too strong for just the vocal. In the mix perhaps it works perfectly. Thanks for helping us get better mixes! Cherio
Hi Streaky! One of the great things about how you mixed these vocals is how you can turn up the volume a lot without hurting your ears. Making the vocals always enjoyable. BUT it would be great to hear setups for specific genres, like a Jeff Buckley singer songwriter big hall preset that comes somehow some milliseconds after a dry signal (that is intimate, in your face, but dreamy). There could be a rock example with distortion coloring too. Personally though the Jeff Buckley sound is something I think many singer songwriters, like me, would love to learn for their demos and simple approach. I’m always following your videos and saving the links to the phone notepad. Stay awesome! I’m excited at every video.
Bro Idk if you have a video about "bouncing a mixed track" BUT. could you make one? Bounce a finished mixed song with all the plugins to save CPU power in order to allow us to proceed with the mastering plugins without blowing the Cpu.
This is cool i just used some (but not all) of these plugins on a vocal (with less extreme settings) and in particular the combination of the dimension D style chorus and Echo was a nice sympathetic combination in conjunction with EQ, Reverb and Compression
Really cool Can't wait to try it. So a request. I just got signed to a label that does organic house/world music kinds of things. So I need to get some tips on working with "exotic" or unusual acoustic instruments.. mostly samples into a mix. Keep the "flavor and grit" of the instrument but get the whole thing sharp.
I really like what you did & you showed how to use them to so helpful but the last plugin seemed like it didn’t do much the doubler but I’m looking in to buying plugins for my voice for hip hop cuz I’m tired of the logic plugins 😂 but this showed me more about plugins you can buy and how to mix better maybe you can do a video on plugins
Great tutorial Streaky. Thank you for this, but a little feedback here - it would have been more applicable if you had music in the session so we could hear what it sounds like in the mix.. maybe an updated video in the next one? Cheers pal Jamaal
i have a couple questions here. 1. i always see your vocals u mix in stereo format, i thought you always wanted to mix your vocals in mono? 2. isn't a reverb meant to be on a send, not directly on the track?
The main purpose of bussing the reverb is so that you can feed in multiple sources and have an even reverb effect. If you had some background vocals or wanted the exact same reverb for multiple instruments you would send it to a bus. He might have avoided that in this video for the sake of adding extra info. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with keeping a reverb on a vocal track though, you just have to be careful with the wet/dry since it is all on that one channel.
Thanks Streaky for new ideas on how to further shape vocals.☺ You are like a masterchef who uses a lot of spices when cooking soup, but knows exactly which ones to add to spice it up. 👌Greetings from Slovenia from Robert.🤗
Interesting point, but what surprises me is that apart from a compressor in the signal chain at the end, you don't use any at the beginning or have you already recorded so perfectly that the voice no longer needs compression? In my opinion, the corus is too strong and I would never use it like that. This alienates the voice extremely and is too modern for me. That means it sounds like all the modern sounds of voices that you hear today and that unfortunately all sound the same. Still very exciting
To be honest I much prefer the dry vocals. IMO way too much FX and stereo processing for a lead vocal. Makes it sound watery and lose texture. You could also mention that you're starting out with already processed vocals and not raw. I like your other vids tho.
This processing is Obviously for Chorus parts of the mix..... we're you expecting a Rap style mix? I can understand you, however Not every vocals are mixed the same way. I find it very Good if you do this style of mix for melodic chorus, and use Dry vocals for verses.
@@potatochipappi For choruses you would normally add doubles and harmonies and pan them for more width. It all depends on taste of course, and there is no "right or wrong". I'm comparing to the conventional professional standard on chart music.
what is optimal Db level for recording vocals, i know after mixing it should be 10 to -6 to leave headromm for mastering but what is püerfect input level? maybe -18db ?
They aren't dry, they have invisible ambience. Short rooms mixed in low, short delays that are sent to short reverbs. Really quiet choruses or flanges that add depth.
I would say 90% of the quality comes from the vocalist and the quality of the recording. Effects are only the cherry on top. This should be a disclaimer in such videos 😂
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> - sounds really harsh - Ever hear of the Lennon FX? Copy / shift the vocal track 35ms - pan and adjust volume to taste. Further, sending vocals to busses of Sound Toys - 1 bus echo the other bus hard plugins - and mixing in parallel will keep the singer sounding alive with presence and impact.
I have a PC with Studio One 6 Professional. I only see ‘Audio Device’ and no Playback Device. My Bluetooth earbuds are definitely connected to my computer…..what gives?!
Mixing vocals without music and beat makes no sense, these type of videos misguide a lot of freshers as they always try to copy chain. It would be better if you have shown this with complete tracks. BTW it is a good way to promote your plugin 😊
Hey can anyone answer this question for me.. are you supposed to record with your auto tune on or are you supposed to record it dry then add it? Any tips would be appreciated
You can do either. You can record through he plugin which means committing the effect. Or you just track through the plugin but the effect is not recorded this way gives you flexibility with the settings when mixing. It’s more common to do the second way and add as an effect, so you can get the vocal recording exactly how you want before adding tuning.
if you go for heavy auto-tune i'd have it on while recording for direct feedback, since you need to kinda use your voice in a different way to achieve it (singing out of tune)
Everything was great and it improved the vocal except I would really leave out step two. That one removed the soul and natural sound of the voice. For me that would only work if the if was going for some dance disco sound. I think the lesson is to not do so much processing that you loose the human emotion in vocals and instruments. I think that is the typical problem with many mixes today
there should be an instrumental for this vocal mixing video. how does it sound in the rest of the mix?
I agree 100%. That’s a huge element that’s missing. Vocals can sound amazing until you start mixing them into the music.
That's not what the video is about though? He's got other video for sinking the vocal and gluing to the mix, you just need to search his page. I just discovered this guy 3 hrs ago & already figured that out, so I'm not sure what's holding you back. He can't do everything in one video, it would be too long, & it helps his channel to split subjects up.
@@JeighNeither 😂😂
Cool trick. But I think it would have been more helpful to hear it against the music. So we get a clear picture of how it would actually sit in a mix.
Just wanna say for anyone who hates sidechaining or have a corrupt daw like me that no longer allows for the sidechain function for some reason...many plugins have an auto ducking feature so it acts like a sidechain compressor onto whatever material is going through it and there's a mix knob so you can dial it just right, it makes life much easier. There's a thread on KVR which plugins have the feature, many are free, Cubase stock delay (cubase owners only), Kilohearts (free bundle plus many more great plugins), VoS NastyDLA mkII etc.
Nice job as always Streaky, it's very easy to forget some of these processes while mixing and your tips are always really helpful. 👍
Great stuff! For me, the chorus is too strong but it depends on the context. Many thanks 😊
I agree. The chorusing had that phase-cancellation sound that I find distracting. But this gentleman clearly knows what he's doing more than I do.
@@utubewillymanno he doesn’t
@@rebinu Does too!
Now you're supposed to say "does not!" And we see how long it goes.
@@utubewillyman definetely doesnt
but againm he does.
I thought the same until the end then realized it might sound solid in a house track. Which makes sense given streaky does a lot of EDM tutorials
All's good but I prefer vocals, especially solo voices without any chorus effect. To me doing chorus makes vocals sound kind of boxed up and unnatural. I'd rather go in for controlled amounts of two delays and reverbs each through the aux or send busses. The first delay being slappy and pretty short happening in a narrow stereo range and the second in a wider stereo range, set as an alternated L+R tapper. Same with the reverbs, first one set as a short and small spaces room and the second as a big plate or hall or whatever big space preferred according to the genre, song etc.
I prefer having the chorus / reverb / delay as parallel send-return tracks and not inserts for many many reasons. But nice chain sound whatsoever.
Sounds as Brooke Combe! Love this vocal, even before processings. Thanks for the tutorial.
Streaky, this is probably a newbie question, but why did you create 3 separate buses for the vocal track between the reverb, delay, and doubler? I assume it's to control the mix send for each separate effect chain. Just trying to understand the method of having the initial effect chain on the vocal track...then the additional effect chains on the 3 buses.
I think there will be a lot of phases out, but is a creative thing
I have the same comment as the one below.
That being said, I got the full picture when the compressor was added.-> Use the compressor after the slightly high wet effect. It levels the centre of the (mono) dry signal back into the stereo field.
Clever yet very logical approach if you let it sink in.
Thanks very much. Worked a treat
those vocals sound amazing, do you record in a booth??
Loved the plug for your plugin ha ha! Good tips. I agree with others that it started to sound worse with the phasing (delay,octave difference L/R pan). Perhaps a little too strong for just the vocal. In the mix perhaps it works perfectly. Thanks for helping us get better mixes! Cherio
that's odd, so obvious chorus effect (no needed in 90% case) but 1.9% of room which is basically will be invisible in whole mix :-)
Great video sir you're mixing vocals with out any context teaching us how to add basic eq compression and fx
mate - it sounded so much better without any effects!!!
You're such a blessing, thank you
This one video has taught me so much about logic hahahah had no clue some of these effects were native. CPU save town here we come!
Hi Streaky! One of the great things about how you mixed these vocals is how you can turn up the volume a lot without hurting your ears. Making the vocals always enjoyable. BUT it would be great to hear setups for specific genres, like a Jeff Buckley singer songwriter big hall preset that comes somehow some milliseconds after a dry signal (that is intimate, in your face, but dreamy). There could be a rock example with distortion coloring too. Personally though the Jeff Buckley sound is something I think many singer songwriters, like me, would love to learn for their demos and simple approach.
I’m always following your videos and saving the links to the phone notepad. Stay awesome! I’m excited at every video.
Always such depth & clarity...Brilliant !!!
Bro Idk if you have a video about "bouncing a mixed track" BUT. could you make one? Bounce a finished mixed song with all the plugins to save CPU power in order to allow us to proceed with the mastering plugins without blowing the Cpu.
exactly what I have been looking for .. thanks Streaky for the spicy stuff
Thank you for using as many stock plugins as you could
This is cool i just used some (but not all) of these plugins on a vocal (with less extreme settings) and in particular the combination of the dimension D style chorus and Echo was a nice sympathetic combination in conjunction with EQ, Reverb and Compression
what a trip to see Streaky in profile, first time ever!
So this is an acapella piece?
Really cool Can't wait to try it. So a request. I just got signed to a label that does organic house/world music kinds of things. So I need to get some tips on working with "exotic" or unusual acoustic instruments.. mostly samples into a mix. Keep the "flavor and grit" of the instrument but get the whole thing sharp.
Well done. That was another good one 👏🏻👍🏻👋🏻
love the fact you use Logic... As most i see use this and beats them all
Terrific!!! thanks a lot Streaky
Do you recommend using stereo bus for delay and reverbs instead of mono all the time ?
Yep, sounds huge. Would probably sound ridiculous on a rock song but would sound great on a pop song.
I've paid for channel strip settings in Logic! This is much better - thanks for offering it for free.
Great video ! You'd be amazed how simple could have been using the new Fabfilter R2 . Thx for the tutorial !
I really like what you did & you showed how to use them to so helpful but the last plugin seemed like it didn’t do much the doubler but I’m looking in to buying plugins for my voice for hip hop cuz I’m tired of the logic plugins 😂 but this showed me more about plugins you can buy and how to mix better maybe you can do a video on plugins
wow this is insane! I am glad i have come across this channel, this is really valuable.
You could swap the phaser for an Eventide Harmonizer H9000
Some really good stuff here, thank you!
Streaky thanks so much for this kind of tutorial. We love it when the SEASONED PROs" share their knowledge and techniques. Keep'em coming.
Great tutorial Streaky. Thank you for this, but a little feedback here - it would have been more applicable if you had music in the session so we could hear what it sounds like in the mix.. maybe an updated video in the next one?
Cheers pal
Jamaal
Did my best to emulate this in abelton but would love a version with stock Live plugs 🙏🏼
Always great stuff Streaky - Can I ask if you could do a bit on Room house curves for mixing and mastering ?
Without hearing it in the music it’s intended for I don’t know how it would sound, but cool.
I would add Desser to delete that unnecessary high end generated by the "Ss" but this chain it's amazing!
hye streaky! ive been hearing this about gold clip. trial it and make a video. i woould love your thoughts on. this much love
I’m agreeing with many comments here. I prefer the dry vocals, or maybe just turn down the effects 60%. But good workflow that I’ll try out. Thanks.
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How much of the dry signal were you actually sending to those plugins though?
This is what I need
Great video. Thank you so much for all the amazing information!
Love you streaky.. just like my vocal chain.. but why are your vocal Audio two track like stereo , I thought it should be mono😢
i have a couple questions here. 1. i always see your vocals u mix in stereo format, i thought you always wanted to mix your vocals in mono? 2. isn't a reverb meant to be on a send, not directly on the track?
The main purpose of bussing the reverb is so that you can feed in multiple sources and have an even reverb effect. If you had some background vocals or wanted the exact same reverb for multiple instruments you would send it to a bus. He might have avoided that in this video for the sake of adding extra info. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with keeping a reverb on a vocal track though, you just have to be careful with the wet/dry since it is all on that one channel.
Great info thanks 👍
Mate was there already compression on the tracking of the vocals?
Thanks Streaky for new ideas on how to further shape vocals.☺ You are like a masterchef who uses a lot of spices when cooking soup, but knows exactly which ones to add to spice it up. 👌Greetings from Slovenia from Robert.🤗
does Ableton have any of these plugins?
@Streaky you are the GOAT
Interesting point, but what surprises me is that apart from a compressor in the signal chain at the end, you don't use any at the beginning or have you already recorded so perfectly that the voice no longer needs compression? In my opinion, the corus is too strong and I would never use it like that. This alienates the voice extremely and is too modern for me. That means it sounds like all the modern sounds of voices that you hear today and that unfortunately all sound the same. Still very exciting
Why do you use pro-Q 3 as the de-esser instead of a more specific tool like pro-DS or other speciallized de-essers?
Superb
Where is the link
🔥 thanks for all you do!
3:15 i have professional studio headphones on and i hear no difference in valhalla. before and after 100% the same
To be honest I much prefer the dry vocals. IMO way too much FX and stereo processing for a lead vocal. Makes it sound watery and lose texture. You could also mention that you're starting out with already processed vocals and not raw. I like your other vids tho.
Nope
This processing is Obviously for Chorus parts of the mix..... we're you expecting a Rap style mix? I can understand you, however Not every vocals are mixed the same way.
I find it very Good if you do this style of mix for melodic chorus, and use Dry vocals for verses.
I agree with you but I think this type of vocal mixing is more to EDM style.
@@potatochipappi For choruses you would normally add doubles and harmonies and pan them for more width. It all depends on taste of course, and there is no "right or wrong". I'm comparing to the conventional professional standard on chart music.
Amateur
Creativelly great!!
Great stuff 🎉
what is optimal Db level for recording vocals, i know after mixing it should be 10 to -6 to leave headromm for mastering but what is püerfect input level? maybe -18db ?
Thank You!!
Chorus package plugin name?
how do you mix a vocal without a beat? :DDD
How do people make dry vocals sound cool?
They aren't dry, they have invisible ambience. Short rooms mixed in low, short delays that are sent to short reverbs. Really quiet choruses or flanges that add depth.
I would say 90% of the quality comes from the vocalist and the quality of the recording. Effects are only the cherry on top.
This should be a disclaimer in such videos 😂
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The chorus sounds terrible with these vocals. It also brings the voice further back. 😅
> - sounds really harsh - Ever hear of the Lennon FX? Copy / shift the vocal track 35ms - pan and adjust volume to taste. Further, sending vocals to busses of Sound Toys - 1 bus echo the other bus hard plugins - and mixing in parallel will keep the singer sounding alive with presence and impact.
goat
Kinda crazy doing this outside the context of the mix
Colourbox were a great early eighties 4AD band..... search out their track Tarantula. Classic.
Somebody else who remembers Colourbox. I still have my The Official Colourbox World Cup Theme 12-inch somewhere.
@@tonycowin STill have their entire vinyl output.
I have a PC with Studio One 6 Professional. I only see ‘Audio Device’ and no Playback Device. My Bluetooth earbuds are definitely connected to my computer…..what gives?!
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Needs more compression I reckon
with this type of processing you don’t need an u87 nor a telefunken nor a sony c800
Praying for you Streaky… Jesus will bring you through any struggle you may be facing right now 🙏❤️. Great video by the way, thank you for sharing!
Mixing vocals without music and beat makes no sense, these type of videos misguide a lot of freshers as they always try to copy chain. It would be better if you have shown this with complete tracks. BTW it is a good way to promote your plugin 😊
Chorus on vocals sucks , in my humble opinion . . But very helpful video’s , thanks 🙏
Streaky for president. Yoo keep helping with more Vocal tips.
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Hey can anyone answer this question for me.. are you supposed to record with your auto tune on or are you supposed to record it dry then add it? Any tips would be appreciated
You can do either. You can record through he plugin which means committing the effect. Or you just track through the plugin but the effect is not recorded this way gives you flexibility with the settings when mixing. It’s more common to do the second way and add as an effect, so you can get the vocal recording exactly how you want before adding tuning.
if you go for heavy auto-tune i'd have it on while recording for direct feedback, since you need to kinda use your voice in a different way to achieve it (singing out of tune)
It doesn't make sense for me to apply all this process in solo without a context in the mix.
Tasty!
👍👍👍
Really don't like the chorus or flanger. Just makes the vox sound like it was recorded with bad phase issues. 😒
Ok cool but wheres the kankan or lucki or childish Gambino type vocal chains I need professional takes on this
Sounds way too sibilant and flangey to me
I hate the artificial chorus sound
Why does her SSSS sounds so bad and weird is what im thinking...
YOU really don't know how to keep a secret...
Everything was great and it improved the vocal except I would really leave out step two. That one removed the soul and natural sound of the voice. For me that would only work if the if was going for some dance disco sound. I think the lesson is to not do so much processing that you loose the human emotion in vocals and instruments. I think that is the typical problem with many mixes today
The chorus is a little annoying but I like everything else!
what happens to that vocals when u play in mono😒😒😒😒