In a full blow cabinet shop I would go with this. At $400.00. But on my tracing from job to job miterbox. This might be a bit to high priced although it does appear to be very well made
I started working in 1979. Working and figuring how to make setups easier over the years. Now I sharing my system. Thank you for noticing the advantages of the Kizen Mitre Fence
I would like to elaborate on the angles. The finish angle of the two pieces is 40D not 70. If you take the gauge he used and look for the zero on the inner dial and follow the line to the outer dial it is pointing at 40. That is the actual angle. The 70 that he is referring to is the miter saw setting. If you have a 40d angle you need two 20d cuts. So 90-20=70. That is your saw setting. The large arrow on the dial is for a single cut. Let’s say you want a 40d angle for a piece of wood which will be placed against a wall. If that angle is 40d then 90-40=50 which is the saw setting. You’ll see the inter dial is pointed at 50. His angle finder is excellent. You can get dead accurate cuts with it. It can be confusing at first but if you play with it, it becomes very clear. Also the settings on a miter saw refer to what you are cutting away. So if it’s set at 30 you are cutting away 30d which leaves you with a 60d angle on the piece. Just remember all settings are based off of 90d.
This took me a little playing around with my speed square and the mitre saw when I was thrown into the weeds. Once you got it, it’s very much like riding a bike.
I worked at a Woodworking store in the early 2000's, and we had this customer who was always making jigs out of South American hard woods so they would last. He would package them in plastic bags, with all the parts so you could either assemble them or he would assemble them and come in every few weeks, set up his saws and demonstrate them for customers, and if they bought one we got a cut. He built something like this, and had a fab shop make them out of aluminum, but they were expensive. When the web got hot, he got them made in bulk, and sold them to a lot of the big box stores, wood working stores and even the tool crib. Last time I heard about him, he had made millions by selling this designs to a major tool manufacturer.
Hey Richard! Been following you for years now. About a year ago I quit my 20yr college educated career to get into the trades. It’s going great! Glad to see you doing the shorts. I’ll be watching you!
Years ago, I was able to answers a person's query on finding the compound miter for a chair rail molding that angled up a stair wall then turned at the top wall going back to horizontal. The answer is there is no compound miter that will work in that scenario. However, the solution is quite simple. A few inches before the molding reaches the top make the angle cut that returns the piece to horizontal and 45 miter that small piece to joint with the horizontal molding of the abjointing wall.
Really cool. You can make your own pretty easily by just clamping a board and cutting a 45, then using that as your reference surface to get those angles you typically couldn't set your miter saw to cut.
Thank you for sharing. Your are truly a person who is always worth watching because you teach others how to adjust their skill just a little bit further. Keep being the true genuine person who you are. I wish you the best always in your journey because we all learn something from one another in this world. God bless you and your loved ones.
That is awesome! I just did my stairs with a homemade jig of me holding the 45 degree piece in place with one hand while cutting the trim with the other. It was super sketchy and would have loved something like this
Game changer for cutting in a roof or second fixing. I’m kind pissed i didn’t think of this lol. I just have a plywood block @45 that I just clamped down! I hope people realize the simple genius of this and you make millions 🎉
That is purrty dope! When needed im still rockin the 1x+Ca glue & double 45 trick! Now this aluminum fence setup is pretty feature rich, It’s just $400 is a bit on the heavy side when it’s 1/2 the price of the dhs790. I’m not hating, it is really a dope kit, but 4hundo is a just such a hard sell for me atm 😅 ..just imagine if it was like $180-220 oww 🤔 dreams babyy..
That is GREAT! edit: What keeps the trim from being pulled toward the back of the saw? If I had it I probably would contact cement some fine sandpaper on it for better grip.
Make jigs like this all the time, it’s nice to c someone took it to the next level, nice when framing a frame houses jig isn’t as easy cus you need to clamp to saw, I like this
Tom actually reached out to me himself! Great guy with some great ideas! I’m planning on taking on more trim jobs the first of the year. Definitely going to invest in this setup!
Cool Beanz! Back the the early 80s when I was an Air Force Machinist, we made these for the Civil Engineering Squadron. Nice to see the same concept being used for profit! LoL
How safe is it? Can you clamp your material? Is there a way to put in a backstop? Or does it rely on the operator's ability to hold the material steady, both angle wise and from being pulled by the blade?
So do I!! When i was taught 30yrs ago my master lived by those spring clamps !! I was gifted 4 of them to begin my learning! To this day i have never seen another in the stores! Fast forward 10yrs i meet my to be wifes grandfather! Retired marine , plus like50yrs of trim master carpentry !! You get the point. Him an i became instant friends .well he was sick with cancer an died 14months later.however before that he gives me all his work tools so i could take care of his only granddaughter. In this collection,were maybe 50 of these clamps.he had been building them himself he loved so much
This is nice and I also have made things similar. Probably just a dull blade I had but is there a trick to keep the saw from pulling in the piece towards the saw?
Richard are you planning a makita 40v mitre saw vs dewalt flex volt and dws780 video? Would love to hear your take on it! And also how your getting on with the makita long term! Big fan, Keep up the great content.
Yup, but instead I just clamp a square piece of stock flat against the fence and to the base plate… Then 0° becomes 90°, 10° becomes 80°, 20° becomes 70° and so on… and 45° is still 45°… So if you’re cutting picture frame wainscoting and you set it up right you can cut all your angles by setting your saw on 45°… then by using both fences & a stop, you’ll never have to swing your saw.
It’s a spring clamp, I use one made by Collin’s so look for Collin’s spring pliers!. Get a bunch of springs as once you start using them you can’t stop! lol.
Can someone recommend a good smaller gauge size nailer. I have a framing nailer, but I’m looking for best gauge to do smaller work. And also the most versatile size across many jobs
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I take a 2x4 lay it against my fence, cut two 45 degree angles, take the center triangle cutout, and clamp down, then lay your material in your 45 degree cutout
Not sure if it’s because I’m extremely high or because I’m just a lowly residential electrician but cutting crown molding always seems so fucking complicated. If you give me a caulking gun and some not silicone caulk I will do some crown molding but never anywhere close to what you carpenters do. Hats off to you guys!
Any trim carpenter worth his salt would have built one of these out of scrap wood a long time ago. Check out this pronext that I will describe. In a small powder room that is Triangular in shape. We're installing 5 1/2" crown molding. Describe how you would install it with joints only in the corners of the Triangle? ( You only need 4 pieces of crown molding to do the job)
would be nice if the fence had a flat bit on the bottom that is level with the base of the saw so you can reference off two surfaces instead of the bottom of the workpiece just hanging
Where can I buy this tool, cause I chopped off the tip of my index finger, cause I had to use my table sad for a 49 degree that my miter saw couldn’t do.
I see that can be used for certain applications but not so much for standard 45 trim. To begin with .. the piece being mitered is no longer being supported by the miter saw stand with side supports. Secondly, the amount of time it takes to pop that jig in takes longer than readjusting miter saw itself Main advantage I see is you get much more angle cut available and a longer cut...otherwise.. not convinced it's something I would ever need for the jobs I do.
@@KizenEnterprise thank you... I will look into your other offerings to see if there is something that I would benefit from for the part time handyman business I run.
They're called Collins miter spring clamps. There's a tool that opens/closes them as well. They are pointy on the end, so they are held in place by the spring tension and the spikes digging into the material and holding the angle together until glue sets. The spikes do leave a mark that you have to fill. U can get them off Amazon, Rockler, probably some other woodworking places.
The jig is cool... But we've literally been doing this for decades... We just cut a piece of wood at 45deg and clamp it to the fence. Scrap wood = free compared to this steel device. Curiously confused... No hate.
@@KizenEnterprise @Kizen Enterprise What are the other features your $400 product provides for the consumer that a cut piece of hardwood wouldn't also? If there's another video showing all of these other features, please, share a link. I'd love to check it out. I am a gadget guy... So... Sell me. Otherwise, the free 45 deg hardwood piece I keep next to my miter station is king.
OK… that’s awesome! If you’re a novice and tried to cut a 70° angle, you realize how frustrating it is when you realize you can’t on a regular miter saw. And you start questioning what the hell is going on, why doesn’t this work. You think to yourself it’s a saw, it should cut it.
Badass!!! I’m accommodated by holding it on that absurd angle and cutting. All you need is precise line and competent trust yourself. This would definitely make it faster though
If you guys want to check this jig out you can get it here:(no affiliation) www.kizenenterprise.com/product-page/pre-order-miter-fence-pro-system
Thank you Brother, I'm gonna check it out, it's a greats a solution to these angles beyond 45 degrees
$400🤯 We have to make a more accessible option
In a full blow cabinet shop I would go with this. At $400.00. But on my tracing from job to job miterbox. This might be a bit to high priced although it does appear to be very well made
What saw do you have? Model number please.
Dang $400? No way cost more than the miter saw itself.
Where was this during my 30 years as a carpenter. This clever device solves so many problems on the miter saw 👍
I started working in 1979. Working and figuring how to make setups easier over the years. Now I sharing my system. Thank you for noticing the advantages of the Kizen Mitre Fence
I would like to elaborate on the angles. The finish angle of the two pieces is 40D not 70. If you take the gauge he used and look for the zero on the inner dial and follow the line to the outer dial it is pointing at 40. That is the actual angle. The 70 that he is referring to is the miter saw setting. If you have a 40d angle you need two 20d cuts. So 90-20=70. That is your saw setting. The large arrow on the dial is for a single cut. Let’s say you want a 40d angle for a piece of wood which will be placed against a wall. If that angle is 40d then 90-40=50 which is the saw setting. You’ll see the inter dial is pointed at 50. His angle finder is excellent. You can get dead accurate cuts with it. It can be confusing at first but if you play with it, it becomes very clear. Also the settings on a miter saw refer to what you are cutting away. So if it’s set at 30 you are cutting away 30d which leaves you with a 60d angle on the piece. Just remember all settings are based off of 90d.
This took me a little playing around with my speed square and the mitre saw when I was thrown into the weeds. Once you got it, it’s very much like riding a bike.
Thank you for clarifying!
I'm like 90-25 is 65% angle
That might work better than my collection of shims. Lol
And sprinkles of saw dust
@@arielkozakwell what else would you use for 1° 😝
Yea but alot cheaper dam 400.00 dollars.
Make one out of wood.
Made that 20 years ago out of scraps had to clamp it on but it worked lol guess I should have pursued the design further darn
Us wood workers have these contraptions all over our shops. You should see the standing bandsaw box I made to cut 1/16th" panels off of long boards:)
'Necessity is the mother of invention'.
Especially @ $400! Lol
@@Toyotajunkiethat red color angle cost 400 dollars? 🙄
I did the same thing with a simple wall puller for lining up your plate. Now sold by Stanley.
I worked at a Woodworking store in the early 2000's, and we had this customer who was always making jigs out of South American hard woods so they would last. He would package them in plastic bags, with all the parts so you could either assemble them or he would assemble them and come in every few weeks, set up his saws and demonstrate them for customers, and if they bought one we got a cut. He built something like this, and had a fab shop make them out of aluminum, but they were expensive. When the web got hot, he got them made in bulk, and sold them to a lot of the big box stores, wood working stores and even the tool crib. Last time I heard about him, he had made millions by selling this designs to a major tool manufacturer.
Hey Richard! Been following you for years now. About a year ago I quit my 20yr college educated career to get into the trades. It’s going great! Glad to see you doing the shorts. I’ll be watching you!
Years ago, I was able to answers a person's query on finding the compound miter for a chair rail molding that angled up a stair wall then turned at the top wall going back to horizontal. The answer is there is no compound miter that will work in that scenario. However, the solution is quite simple. A few inches before the molding reaches the top make the angle cut that returns the piece to horizontal and 45 miter that small piece to joint with the horizontal molding of the abjointing wall.
Whaaaaaa?
@@Rob-fd6si what part don't you understand?
Really cool. You can make your own pretty easily by just clamping a board and cutting a 45, then using that as your reference surface to get those angles you typically couldn't set your miter saw to cut.
Thank you for sharing. Your are truly a person who is always worth watching because you teach others how to adjust their skill just a little bit further. Keep being the true genuine person who you are. I wish you the best always in your journey because we all learn something from one another in this world. God bless you and your loved ones.
I agree 100%. There are a lot of channels where they show you their work but you don’t learn anything but this channel I learn something everytime
That is an awesome tool for when I'm doing panel mould or wainscot on stairways, I always make my own jig, but it's time consuming , BRAVO
That is awesome! I just did my stairs with a homemade jig of me holding the 45 degree piece in place with one hand while cutting the trim with the other. It was super sketchy and would have loved something like this
Clamps go a long way 😂
Game changer for cutting in a roof or second fixing.
I’m kind pissed i didn’t think of this lol.
I just have a plywood block @45 that I just clamped down!
I hope people realize the simple genius of this and you make millions 🎉
That is purrty dope! When needed im still rockin the 1x+Ca glue & double 45 trick! Now this aluminum fence setup is pretty feature rich, It’s just $400 is a bit on the heavy side when it’s 1/2 the price of the dhs790. I’m not hating, it is really a dope kit, but 4hundo is a just such a hard sell for me atm 😅
..just imagine if it was like $180-220 oww 🤔 dreams babyy..
That kizen fence is amazing!
Thank you 🙏
That is GREAT!
edit:
What keeps the trim from being pulled toward the back of the saw?
If I had it I probably would contact cement some fine sandpaper on it for better grip.
Make jigs like this all the time, it’s nice to c someone took it to the next level, nice when framing a frame houses jig isn’t as easy cus you need to clamp to saw, I like this
That’s a lot easier than how I had to do it back in the day. Great jig man!
And that's how you get a longer miter out of a miter saw. I needed this tip about 2 years ago, but I'm sure it'll come in handy in the future.
Tom actually reached out to me himself! Great guy with some great ideas! I’m planning on taking on more trim jobs the first of the year. Definitely going to invest in this setup!
Cool Beanz! Back the the early 80s when I was an Air Force Machinist, we made these for the Civil Engineering Squadron. Nice to see the same concept being used for profit! LoL
How safe is it? Can you clamp your material? Is there a way to put in a backstop? Or does it rely on the operator's ability to hold the material steady, both angle wise and from being pulled by the blade?
Totally beats the jig I made
Been waiting for this
I love those spring clamps, use them all the time.
So do I!! When i was taught 30yrs ago my master lived by those spring clamps !! I was gifted 4 of them to begin my learning! To this day i have never seen another in the stores! Fast forward 10yrs i meet my to be wifes grandfather! Retired marine , plus like50yrs of trim master carpentry !! You get the point. Him an i became instant friends .well he was sick with cancer an died 14months later.however before that he gives me all his work tools so i could take care of his only granddaughter. In this collection,were maybe 50 of these clamps.he had been building them himself he loved so much
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We have shipped to Sweden and Canada. We love to add you to the list 😁
Looks good. Would be nice if it had a little lip near the end to support the stock. Would have to be removable, but would still be nice to have.
Sweet thanks man. I’m going to order it right now.😊
Ridgid makes a chop saw that cuts around 75 without fancy fences. It's a nice saw.
Cool tool
You can do the same thing with the clamps that come with the saw and scrap piece of material.
This is nice and I also have made things similar.
Probably just a dull blade I had but is there a trick to keep the saw from pulling in the piece towards the saw?
Ooh I like it. Alot fsafer then the wooden jigs I've made in the past
Richard are you planning a makita 40v mitre saw vs dewalt flex volt and dws780 video? Would love to hear your take on it! And also how your getting on with the makita long term! Big fan, Keep up the great content.
does this fit on any mitersaw?
Yes if the factory fence is 3 1/2” tall
Yup, but instead I just clamp a square piece of stock flat against the fence and to the base plate… Then 0° becomes 90°, 10° becomes 80°, 20° becomes 70° and so on… and 45° is still 45°…
So if you’re cutting picture frame wainscoting and you set it up right you can cut all your angles by setting your saw on 45°… then by using both fences & a stop, you’ll never have to swing your saw.
You should be doing scarf joints for base boards and crown moulding, straight one angle cuts aren't going to make perfect corners like that every time
Can turn a single bevel into a double bevel for at least part of your cuts if I understand it right
Am I correct in assuming that the miter saw fence is custom as well,because that looks like a dewalt saw.
Where did you get the spring clamp? Or what is the name of it so I can Google it?
I've used to clamp a block against the fever to make miters bigger than 50 degrees
Hello. What are those clips you use? Newb, amateur carpenter here.
It’s a spring clamp, I use one made by Collin’s so look for Collin’s spring pliers!. Get a bunch of springs as once you start using them you can’t stop! lol.
Yes, it beats the homemade jig!
Oh that's so smart
Mind blowing 🤯, man that is crazy awesome. Even though I will never be able to use it because I will never understand it.
Can someone recommend a good smaller gauge size nailer. I have a framing nailer, but I’m looking for best gauge to do smaller work. And also the most versatile size across many jobs
Slicker than Snot on a doorknob.... Cooler than the Fonz & an Ice cube....
Some seriously Badass BADASSERY....
Yeah man I'm impressed....
Liked n subbed.....
What he said! Sliker n snot on a......
I take a 2x4 lay it against my fence, cut two 45 degree angles, take the center triangle cutout, and clamp down, then lay your material in your 45 degree cutout
Not sure if it’s because I’m extremely high or because I’m just a lowly residential electrician but cutting crown molding always seems so fucking complicated. If you give me a caulking gun and some not silicone caulk I will do some crown molding but never anywhere close to what you carpenters do. Hats off to you guys!
It's a great jig but it looks like one of those things I would only use once in a long while. I rarely need to make anything over 60°
What is the name of that fence and where can I buy it? You don’t give me any name or any description where to buy that 45° angle fence
That mitre angle tool is beautiful
Starrett. He was using the yellow plastic chinese made one. In this video I noticed he has a metal US made one.
Oohhh...I like that! That will make it so much faster!
With so many angles to cut on a panel wall stair this jig makes it easier to go back and forth making different cuts
What digital calliper do you use?
Any trim carpenter worth his salt would have built one of these out of scrap wood a long time ago. Check out this pronext that I will describe.
In a small powder room that is Triangular in shape. We're installing 5 1/2" crown molding. Describe how you would install it with joints only in the corners of the Triangle? ( You only need 4 pieces of crown molding to do the job)
Does it attached to the current Dewalt fence?
My craft brain just ran off the rails. This is actually really cool.
That's cool. I always had to make my own on site.
It's like sweet and precise even
What brand of saw is that? Could use it for sure!
would be nice if the fence had a flat bit on the bottom that is level with the base of the saw so you can reference off two surfaces instead of the bottom of the workpiece just hanging
Where can I buy this tool, cause I chopped off the tip of my index finger, cause I had to use my table sad for a 49 degree that my miter saw couldn’t do.
Where can I find that fence?!
Amazing tool. Probably a pain in the ass with a long piece but still I want one.
I made one of these out of plywood this us so much better
This is better then you 20 minutes videos!!
Great 👍🏻 jig
Makes me want to do some miters.
Genius
I'm more fascinated with those clips. What are they?
Miter spring clips. I answered my own question
But you can't cut a long strip with this jig right? Did not the angle on the miter itself is enough?
My red necked job clamps on. Took me twenty minutes and scrap material.
That’s pretty cool
Where can we buy this
Could have used this before I retired
Really
Okay where can I buy one…?
I see that can be used for certain applications but not so much for standard 45 trim. To begin with .. the piece being mitered is no longer being supported by the miter saw stand with side supports. Secondly, the amount of time it takes to pop that jig in takes longer than readjusting miter saw itself
Main advantage I see is you get much more angle cut available and a longer cut...otherwise.. not convinced it's something I would ever need for the jobs I do.
Maybe 🤔 you don’t need the pro system. There is more to the kizen mitre fence then an extreme angle jig.
@@KizenEnterprise thank you... I will look into your other offerings to see if there is something that I would benefit from for the part time handyman business I run.
Personally I would make on for the pitches of roof systems. Like the common 4/12 roof... 18.4 degrees.
Awesome!
I needed this on the weekend damit
you Been chance the dance of the miter saw? or evening come together?
Will it only work on a DeWalt Miter Saw
Works on miter saws with 3 1/2” factory fences
This dude is straight-up money bags. If someone ever stole your work rig. Damn.
How do those clips hold well I’ve never understood them? Where could I pick some up? What are they called?
They're called Collins miter spring clamps. There's a tool that opens/closes them as well. They are pointy on the end, so they are held in place by the spring tension and the spikes digging into the material and holding the angle together until glue sets. The spikes do leave a mark that you have to fill. U can get them off Amazon, Rockler, probably some other woodworking places.
This is mandatory
The jig is cool... But we've literally been doing this for decades... We just cut a piece of wood at 45deg and clamp it to the fence. Scrap wood = free compared to this steel device. Curiously confused... No hate.
This is just one of the features of the kizen mitre fence system. Richard is not only a talented carpenter but great at sharing videos about or trade
@@KizenEnterprise @Kizen Enterprise What are the other features your $400 product provides for the consumer that a cut piece of hardwood wouldn't also? If there's another video showing all of these other features, please, share a link. I'd love to check it out. I am a gadget guy... So... Sell me. Otherwise, the free 45 deg hardwood piece I keep next to my miter station is king.
My speed square has done the same for 30 years.
Why would u need this if you have miter saw that you can adjust angles on?
Thats awesome
What was that clamp?? i got to know
Love the invention. However, a 12" speed square clamped to the fence is not as sexy but it does the trick.
OK… that’s awesome!
If you’re a novice and tried to cut a 70° angle, you realize how frustrating it is when you realize you can’t on a regular miter saw. And you start questioning what the hell is going on, why doesn’t this work. You think to yourself it’s a saw, it should cut it.
What are those clamps called?
I would have to come up with a different way to attach it, since my fence doesn’t have a slot like that.
If your fences are removable and aluminum maybe you can router them
I always end up having to make something and I never save it that would be awesome
Cut the opposite angle backwards...
What's the name of this jig??
Well, well, you've pulled another rabbit out of your hat. Thanks for sharing.
Badass!!! I’m accommodated by holding it on that absurd angle and cutting. All you need is precise line and competent trust yourself. This would definitely make it faster though
What blade do you run on your miter saw?
I think this was the FS tool blade
Beautiful piece of kit...
...but not for $425!
That's freaking crazy...
I need this 😅