Penny Rimbaud on CRASS t-shirts and Throbbing Gristle
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- From a conversation following the screening of the Crass documentary "There Is No Authority But Yourself" at Spectacle Theater in Brooklyn, New York. March, 2013
Gee Vaucher is one of the finest artists the human species has ever produced, her work is stunningly thought provoking in a very positive sense. Like all the best art it draws you into its world.
What is she doing now? Still an artist? Eh, I'll google it.
I've two prints and I'm a happy lad
@@rangatang100 lucky you, her work has never been a commercial venture and all the more special for that.
@@robertcaffrey6097 always loved her stuff and I've been a fan of crass since I was a lad 🖤
@@rangatang100 Fair play to you, ive also been a fan since I was 13 , Crass were a great source of truths long before the advent of the internet and push of a button information etc.
Idk Crass ain’t The Misfits. I’m pretty sure almost all of the kids in a Crass shirt know what Crass are about and know Penny’s name especially.
Interesting. Thanks very much for uploading this.
why doesn't he do a podcast
I think he doesnt wanna be bothered
@@六O Why should he have to now at this age? I'm sure he's done enough to deserve to relax.
love the bit about john coltrane, yes !
Love Penny's point of views, and Gee Vaucher is an absolute genius, one of the greatest XX century artists.
Have you ever heard of Stanislaw Sulkawski. I think that is how you spell it... He was a polish sculptor but you should listen to him. There was a Netflix special about him and if you are into art his stuff is just unbelievable and some I seriously nearly cried. But then at the end there is an interview and the things that he says are just so amazing. His thinking and his mind. His philosophy and how he was hidden away. It's sad in so many ways
@@jonjonsin824 Yeah, I,ve got a few amazing books by him. Unbelievable artist.
Interviewer tries to box Gen as a hippie,Rimbaud shows her his flowers. classic stuff with a bit of the meaning and the way.
I agree and knew he would say exactly or something similar to what he said about people wearing shirts... He is saying as they say in their music. They don't judge. If they can spread their message to any jo they are happy with that. So many punks have this attitude of being more punk or being a poser. I have loved this band for over 25 years. I have a crass shirt that I have held onto for about 20 years. It has a bleach stain on the shoulder and collar 😂. It is the original fruit of the loom heavy duty with the emblem and the back has the fight wars.... with the emblem on the back also. I do not judge and it makes me only happy to see anyone wearing crass.
Now if they do something like maybe attempt to consume an entire cow or if they vote or if they are a police officer I may point something out kindly. Let's give punks a better name then maybe there will be more of us. We will draw more people into our punk cult 😆 then we will erase the name punk all together and just be people..anarchy and peace!
Michigan democrats just took full control for the first time in 40 years.
They passed universal background checks, codified LGBT rights, and enacted the right to join a union. If the good people don't vote guess who does? You think the government is going to be like " well shit, some leftists didn't vote for us... guess we gotta pack it all up and evenly distribute the means of production and start treating people fairly" right. The fascists choose to vote, the only people you hurt but not voting are the marginalized people you claim to care about. There are giant steps and lots of work between what we have now and anarchy and peace,you can fold your arms and pretend you're too cool to participate or you could think for yourself and not parrot 45 year old slogans .
Never met any Crass or TG but liked both band music, Seems this "Comment" section is for some to insult bands you don't like, who can't hear you and would laugh at what you said. You have wasted your time.
I knew Crass and a lot of the other London anarcho punk groups around at that time. I'll just say I had some great times and lots of laughs with all those other anarcho groups. Crass made amazing music and put on some amazing gigs but they took themselves waaaay too seriously. Just being honest...
40;Yrson still afan who ever you vote for the government still get in .
Have to say I'm kind of with penny on p orridge.
repulsive people & music. so many got sucked in by evil
@@annetta7793 anarchism is an evil idea for dorks who have no grasp of the real world.
@@JRK2669 Evil idea? Where are you getting that idea from? I think Anarchists understand the real world better than anyone but are sensible enough to know that most humans are too entrenched in loving their servitude and money and consumerism. Try reading "Anarchism And Other Essays" by Emma Goldman
@@bababooeyhatesu no I say this as a a socialist that anarchism is a deeply flawed idea in practice because as long as imperialism and capitalism exists, a lack of central government will easily be crushed
@@JRK2669 Socialism? You truly believe that is the answer? You prefer being part of a collection of people who all have similar belief systems and all are alotted the same things? Have you ever been to a Socalist country? I wouldn't want to have to be put in a box that matches everyone elses. I rather have the freedom to decide what I want for my life without having 3 of my neighbors spying on me and under constant govt sruviellence if I should step out of that box. Imperialism is definitely not a good thing but neither is insisting a populace adhere to all the same ideology. I've been and Anarchist activist for over 40 years and haven't been crushed yet. The soveriegnty of the individual is paramount. The govt no matter what serves only to futher itself and the corporations that fund it.
I like Abba and Boney M
I wish were around now. They'd have some stuff to say about the fascistic "covid law" and the ruthless suppression of our basic freedoms in the past year or so.
You should do something about that then right? Try doing some kind of art, music, poetry, spoken word, protest etc....Pick up the torch and run with it!
@@bababooeyhatesu I guess you are right. I have a line that my art has followed and I'm not sure I want to do that kind of protest stuff. I doesn't feel natural. But it does need doing...
I get the impression Penny Rimabud thinks a lot but reads very little
The swastika is an ancient symbol of the sun.
Are you sure?
Interesting that the Crass symbol and the Swastika both have occult significance. And Genesis P-Orridge was very much obsessed with the occult and Crowley.
'the Crass symbol and the Swastika both have occult significance' - in what way?
@@antonbukowski If you don't know then you have a journey to take. The Crass symbol is an ourobos, an alchemical symbol. The swastika hardly needs explaining does it? It's an ancient sigil used to symbolise divinity across countless magical systems.
@@nodarkthings The Crass logo is not an ourobos: the serpent is not eating its own tail. According to Dave King, who designed it, the serpent merely balances or negates the Celtic cross. The swastika, as you surely know, was a religious symbol appropriated by fascists. The only overt occult connection is its use by Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society. Perhaps you are choosing to classify all religions as ‘occult’? Again, this seems like disingenuous semantics.
@@antonbukowski glad to hear from somebody who knows
Occult just means hidden
This guy doesnt half talk a load of shite.
What's wrong with being wealthy? He helps society.
It's the sense of entitlement and disconnect from society that "wealthy" people have. They don't live in the reality of a $50 pair of pants goes on the credit card year after year for the majority of people. They don't understand that for a lot of people, college is not the rise up the rat wheel for everyone. For most people college is a noose of credit debt for the rest of their lives, because they have an underpaid or eventually outsourced job. And most wealthy people are just plain shitty people, it's how they got rich. Putting money and their own self before the common good... If 95% of a book is crap generally you find something else to read...
@@masterofwhorers1827 And so how are artisits who put everything have into their art supposed to make a living? It would be wonderful if musicians really got paid what the should for all the creativity and hard work they put in to entertaining, enligtening, and making you think differently about life. Sure wealthy 1% types are not that great but do you really think Penny is that rich? This sounds like sour grapes to me. And most punks always want everything for free and that leaves the bands with bankruptcy and poverty. Also, people shouldn't attend University just to obtain employment. It is to enrich you as a human being and give you a worldly viewpoint. However today's woke society and SJW are ruining the experience and making it impossible for anyone to be able to think for themselves. Speaking of books what do you think is a good recommendation?
Why has this bloke got a girls name ?
nickname
@@outis439-A It's not a nickname. He changed his name to Penelope Lapsang Rimbaud.
Why not?
its a coin :-)
He said he wanted to be a philosopher to his dad, who replied, "you'll only ever become a toilet philosopher". So he chose the name Penny (spend one) Rimbaud (famous French philosopher).
I swear, the word "wanker" could have been invented for Penny Rimbaud.
And the word "jealous" was invented for you.
Love them but they never broke out of the mold they were against, to their credit the intent was great, but TG DID.
Musically I agree, but in terms of substance and message? I think Crass is way more influential.
@@chase34124 way more influential how? Who called them an influence?
@@JRK2669 You obviously are a really negative person because Crass has had a huge influence on many people's lives who are intelligent enough to understand not only their lyrics but their whole presentation. What the hell do you do?
@@JRK2669 Oh, not someone really important, just some guy with the same name as yours that plays in a band... How is it called? Ah, yes, GODFLESH; anyway, the Truth is that both are huge inspirations (C.R.A.S.S. also influenced J. Broadrick) to an infinite list of artists.
@@maxmordon7295 I like both, but to say Crass were more influential when TG are the godfathers/mothers of industrial music is a bold statement.
Hippy, but a good one.
The worst thing about Crass was that they were self-important middle-class twats. Oddly enough, that was also the worst thing about Throbbing Gristle.
jackal59 not bothered about Crass one bit...boring militants..whats to like...whereas TG...well...they HAD substance...sounds like a total wanker to me, pretentious too...industrial music is far better than Anarchist punk, people move on and surprise, whereas in Anarchist movement punks, stay 2 bit, middle class and boring...just like Penny himself.?.hate him because of slagging off Hawkwind..hes obviously not bothered to listen to their albums...what a tosder...i rest my case!
Ever met any of them ?
@@howardamies7225 A 'tosder'? I will steal that strange term and pass it off as my own.
Oh wajtever what are you up there on your high horse,which I'd bet has a broken back......
Nope, they came from all classes as well as middle class they had working class members too.
Penny Manson.... preaching to the Middle/upper class, guilt ridden children of bankers, Doctors Politicians...ect
Now a simple conversation between like-minded people is considered an effing sermon? 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️