Do you not think the boards shoudl over hang the edge for better drainage? having the facia around the edges of the deck boards water will not disperse as well?
You can use packers. However because they’re flat they have a chance of falling straight through the gap which mean you’re losing them below the decking. Obviously with the wedge this isn’t the case. But if you get you measurements bang on you get the same results but a lot faster with the wedges.
Also, if you use packers and when you’re taking them out of the gaps and you accidentally snap one in there then you have a bright colour stuck in the decking. Basically wedges are better really 👍🏻😅
@@jaysonfaircloughjoinery8985 There is a long-standing and surprisingly fiery debate on about whether the grooves (or reeds, as they're called) on a decking board are intended to be placed face up or face down. Internet commenters have waged intense campaigns supporting one side or the other and decking installers can be found sitting in both camps. The answer, though is quite a simple one; boards should unequivocally be placed grooves down. What are decking grooves for? The grooves or reeds on a decking board are not there as an anti-slip measure, nor are they there to make your decking look prettier. They are designed to allow for airflow underneath the boards to stop moisture and mould build up. In fact, many board manufacturers' warranties are voided if the boards have been installed with the groove side facing upwards, as this can seriously jeopardise the longevity of the boards. If your installer has put them in incorrectly, then you have grounds to ask them to redo the job the right way (unless this is what you asked them to do, of course). A grooved deck may feel nice underfoot for a while, but once grime, mould or algae start to grow in the ruts, the boards can quickly become discoloured and will actually be more slippery to walk on, thus defeating the original purpose of laying them grooved side up. They're also far more difficult to sweep when they're laid grooved-side up. The one exception to this rule may be laying them groove side up on a ramp required for wheelchair access, as the rubber tires will have more traction on a grooved surface. One of our roles is to explain to the customer there is a right and a wrong way of doing things at times, but if they insist, I would get a letter from them stating they asked you to lay the boards that way, then there is no legal redress on you.
@@stephenwatson1873 Great point that you made there. However I heard that you can get decking with grooves on both sides so that would obviously mean that you couldn't get them the wrong way round (unless the grooves on one side were different to the grooves on the other?!)
@@benh1216 Hi Ben, when a Decking board has grooves on both sides, usually the grooves are wider on one side than the other, the wider grooves would be face down, as they are wider to help prevent the board from cupping,
Why are your decking boards upside down? Grooves are there for a reason. Sorry mate but that it is so wrong. The grooves are there to repel water away from the joists or whatever sub fixing your tying to.
God bless you Jayson
Couldn't help notice in the UK when it comes to decking lots of people like to install the decking boards upside down ? Can anyone explain why ?
Do you not think the boards shoudl over hang the edge for better drainage? having the facia around the edges of the deck boards water will not disperse as well?
Ye I think that might be better but the customer didn’t want any end grain showing. But for better drainage that would make sense.
Nice!
What do you edit on?
Looks good, but why not use calibrated spacers like a window packers to get a consistent gap?
You can use packers. However because they’re flat they have a chance of falling straight through the gap which mean you’re losing them below the decking. Obviously with the wedge this isn’t the case. But if you get you measurements bang on you get the same results but a lot faster with the wedges.
Also, if you use packers and when you’re taking them out of the gaps and you accidentally snap one in there then you have a bright colour stuck in the decking. Basically wedges are better really 👍🏻😅
@@jaysonfaircloughjoinery8985 I would make a small block up out of a thin bit of ply on a 2x2 or something..
Glass packers beat spacers 👌
And watching Scott brown love ?
You have been watching Scott brown?
Funnily enough I was taught this on my apprenticeship😂
much quicker way to make a wedge. put a 90 on your board. set saw to 3degrees and cut, flip cut, flip cut.
That sounds much easier! I’ll do it that way next time
Id of just used 5mm plastic packers/shims or tile spacers
Just watched this again ..... off out to cut some wedges and hopefully have all my fingers left after !!
I barely understand what this knob is mumbling about
Those boards are upside down my friend
What the customer wanted... the customer is always right!😀
@@jaysonfaircloughjoinery8985 There is a long-standing and surprisingly fiery debate on about whether the grooves (or reeds, as they're called) on a decking board are intended to be placed face up or face down. Internet commenters have waged intense campaigns supporting one side or the other and decking installers can be found sitting in both camps.
The answer, though is quite a simple one; boards should unequivocally be placed grooves down.
What are decking grooves for?
The grooves or reeds on a decking board are not there as an anti-slip measure, nor are they there to make your decking look prettier. They are designed to allow for airflow underneath the boards to stop moisture and mould build up. In fact, many board manufacturers' warranties are voided if the boards have been installed with the groove side facing upwards, as this can seriously jeopardise the longevity of the boards. If your installer has put them in incorrectly, then you have grounds to ask them to redo the job the right way (unless this is what you asked them to do, of course).
A grooved deck may feel nice underfoot for a while, but once grime, mould or algae start to grow in the ruts, the boards can quickly become discoloured and will actually be more slippery to walk on, thus defeating the original purpose of laying them grooved side up. They're also far more difficult to sweep when they're laid grooved-side up.
The one exception to this rule may be laying them groove side up on a ramp required for wheelchair access, as the rubber tires will have more traction on a grooved surface. One of our roles is to explain to the customer there is a right and a wrong way of doing things at times, but if they insist, I would get a letter from them stating they asked you to lay the boards that way, then there is no legal redress on you.
@@stephenwatson1873 Great point that you made there. However I heard that you can get decking with grooves on both sides so that would obviously mean that you couldn't get them the wrong way round (unless the grooves on one side were different to the grooves on the other?!)
@@benh1216 Hi Ben, when a Decking board has grooves on both sides, usually the grooves are wider on one side than the other, the wider grooves would be face down, as they are wider to help prevent the board from cupping,
@@stephenwatson1873 Yes I knew there was something I was missing in my last comment 😂😂 thanks for that
Instead of using wedges, use a nail at least the gaps will be consistent
Why are your decking boards upside down? Grooves are there for a reason. Sorry mate but that it is so wrong. The grooves are there to repel water away from the joists or whatever sub fixing your tying to.
It’s grooved both sides pal……..
Your funny, you talk like you been doing this for donkeys. We all start somewere though I guess
Another one ... they upside down ffs
It’s grooved on both sides mate