@@bignastysimzz im not even joking when I say I've seen old people snorting their meds because its the old way of doing it. I watched an old grandmother doing lines of ibuprofen or some shit.
@@Adipose69 Alright, my time to shine... uh.. Inmate: What are you in for? Abram: Object to form Inmate: Sounds like a pedo-chaser, knife his ass Abram upon getting stabbed: I'm going to move for sanctions..on...you...*death*
I was deposed once, the opposition lawyer kept asking me irrelevant questions about what cartoon characters I liked and showing me pages from different comic books to ask my opinion. The entire thing was just to make things expensive for me. I wound up settling for $100 and then the judge ordered the other side to pay my legal fees so wound up costing the other side at least a few thousand bucks just to annoy me
@@scotty2tone contract dispute, nothing exciting. I was a vendor for a project but I didn’t receive payment in time so I couldn’t do the project so the other side claimed they them expressing their intention was a binding contract and I was like “I can’t get started unless I get the agreed upon down payment because I don’t want to be out of pocket to get started”.
@@Arminsaf2 This guy sued his own client. He's nothing but a loudmouth that impresses the exact type of people that he rips off with insane legal bills for a weak defense that involves probably nothing except for being obnoxious and argumentative lol. Being loud is not the same as being sharp, the only person this guy represents is himself
@@lynnbell6374 you do know that taking multiple multi-vitamins can do your body great harm? I really doubt this dude was like "oh fuck, no better time to get healthy. "
He represented me in a case against a dealership that took advantage of my grandpa. He kicked the dealers ass for the crazy “deal” they were trying to screw my gpa with. I hate to see him on here getting roasted. He was hired as my contract lawyer. He was really nice to me and my family. I will also say, he felt the dealer was ethically wrong and he refunded my retainer. Was a super nice guy.
Just because he helped out your grandfather doesn't mean he didn't violate ethics and rules as a lawyer. And because he refunded the retainer, are you implying that he did the whole case for free? I would find that very difficult to believe.
The original question was "how many times have you been deposed" his answer was correct he didn't know the exact number so he said I do not recall... then buddy changes his question... have you ever been deposed... buddy asking questions fucked up huge.
@@jamessundance6489 yep used to be an addict. Id carry a pill bottle full of gel tabs that you can buy off the shelf full of a few bumps of coke. Need to get high in class but not about to whip out a straw and razor blade? Normally people will say no to that question. But id just pop like 6 of those bad boys and get fucking focused as shit. Lmfao
I had a Deposition once! I was a primary witness to a low speed accident (15ish mph). Had no idea who was who, as about 8 months had passed... but the Attorneys were really nice.. until I told my story, then one of them looked very unhappy, and one got really, really happy. They thanked me and that was the end of it.
I kinda agree with his first objection, he was clearly asked the question and answered it like ten seconds beforehand; but as he drew it out it just became an [aubergine] measuring contest.
@@uolocur9356 What's the difference between an aubergine and an eggplant? That's right, none, except that the former term is used by more nations than the latter.
@@zendakk When those nations match the U.S.'s nuclear capacity, we can start that conversation about what we should call the purple dong plant, but for now they are eggplants.
For all his faults I really enjoyed watching him waste another attorneys time…also the lawyer who’s asking the questions didn’t seem any more professional…but it was his deposition so he gets to be the Dick
A lot of fiction stuff is based off mainly things in reality. Certain things are of course stretched, or made more juicy to get more appeal and attraction, etc out of it
Thank you for reviewing this! I am not an attorney but I love (for some ungodly reason) watching deposition videos, and came across this one not too long ago. Great to hear your take on it and your comments.
Off jump...guy off camera sitting to his right is not just attorney for the firm...he's also Abrahms attorney. Abrahms was not representing himself (as he was a witness in this particular case). His firm was named as defendants in a case involving their client. Abrahms himself was charged with several offenses. In the end, the prosecutor was able to file sanctions against him for his actions and behavior in this deposition. His unblemished record got nailed with an 8 month suspension. Also as a witness in this deposition...he wasn't allowed to object himself. That is what the lawyer is for. As a lawyer he should have known that.
Oh yeah. Theres so many people who confuse asshole behaviour with being a good leader, and this guy was even sanctioned for “bombastic rhetoric” after the judge had warned them about it previously. He’s gonna heavily contest a primary at minimum
This guy is a joke, he's refusing to let them lay the foundation for evidence and then saying "You haven't brought any evidence questions" He just talks fast and treats people like shit because he's trying to exhaust them
Tom, it *is* permissible to claim privilege in a deposition to avoid self-incrimination, assert professional privilege, or to protect information that could cause harm to the public. Since this guy is appearing pro se, he ostensibly can (albeit awkwardly) claim attorney client privilege.
Also, the person deposing him is likely *not* HIPPA compliant, which he would be required to be before they could compel any testimony regarding medical information.
I was just going to say, it’s not that hard to understand. If Abrams is pro se in a criminal court, he then has special privileges to not answer in the deposition because it could incriminate himself. Also, the attorney questioning has no right to know what pills he took, it’s irrelevant and depending on the pills, could be a medical privacy.
Due to the fact that you can have multiple attorneys, is it possible to go both pro se AND have another attorney? So he can object both himself and have his attorney do it too? Pls someone posts this question on the subreddit if needed, I need answers!
You cant be pro se and have attorneys but if the lawyer is the defendant than he's consulted on his case by his attorneys obviously but they're the attorneys and he's the client.
@@lomelyowhat is "wrong'? I didn't say I approved of his tactics, I just said he was effective. I don't even know what the object of the case was, but on that day, he achieved his objective which was to stymie the prosecutor. He wasn't in front of a judge OR a jury on this video, so it's hardly a valid argument to say they don't appreciate it.
@@investigator77 lmao he had his license revoked for 90 days with 2 years probation that's how stupid what he did is and you still call it effective ??? Calling in sick is more effective 🤣
I’d legit want him as a layer if I was ever accused of anything criminal, he seems like the kind of guy to go to absolute war defending the client if he was offered enough money.
@John Griffith most people can't afford to be sued anyway so you might as well make it hell, then murder the lawyer and person who sued you. Plantiff? Idk. Then you get an ez paid for life in prison after your life as a free man got fucked.
Perfect example of somebody who thinks they're better and smarter than everybody else. He answers to no one, because there isn't anyone worthy of questioning him.
The one big question that I'm left with is, what the hell was he taking? He implied they were diet pills, but you can't eat diet pills like that. That much caffeine would literally kill you. Also, it wouldn't make much sense to take a stimulant while on the stand. Maybe some kind of tranquilizer or mood stabilizer?
It seems to me that they were both misbehaving and escalating the situation, but I have no legal experience. Was the interviewer’s conduct really acceptable?
there's no law against being a dick, it's kind of expected. but you can't be a dick when you're supposed to be answering and you can only play stupid up to a point.
I agree, this seemed like them both being dicks but both technically not doing anything illegal. Honestly, I didn't think the defendant was being that big of a problem (even though he got in trouble for this)...if he doesnt answer, mark it down and take it to the judge...simple. No need to argue.
Just looked this guy up, and the Google reviews on his office are hilarious. A bunch of 1 stars saying stuff like "i went in for legal advice, but he just kept saying "asked and answered" and threading to file 30.d sanctions against me"
This is like some weird version of Attorney Skyrim where they just keep spamming magic spells over and over 😂. And who the hell is the “Special Master”. Is he like the head wizard at the law school ?
IANAL, but: a "special master" is basically someone given limited powers (typically by a judge) for a specific case. This could be as simple as overseeing pre-trial discovery in a contentious matter, or as complex as running a full "trial" as when the Supreme Court has Original Jurisdiction.
In the law of the United States, a special master is generally a subordinate official appointed by a judge to make sure that judicial orders are actually followed, or in the alternative, to hear evidence on behalf of the judge and make recommendations to the judge as to the disposition of a matter.
Have not listened yet but your comment about your eye patch hit me where I live! When I was reading the law I also had an eye go crazy on me! So badly I had to have it surgically corrected. I’d always had a lazy eye but the hours of concentrated reading sent it over the edge!
@@smilemore1997 if you are in a civil deposition that could lead into a criminal charge of a client, like in the case of fraud, you can you attorney client privilege to protect your client who is vulnerable to a charge because that deposition can be used as evidence in a criminal investigation where the attorney would be effectively testifying against their client.
Watching stuff like this really makes me very aware of my ODD. Every time I hear a "You NEED to answer my questions!" My mind viciously goes to "I don't NEED to answer sh*t and I'd like to see you try and make me.". I couldn't handle environments like this haha.
@@razorbeard6970 Attorneys are allowed to ask questions that they already know the answer to. If the witness was involved in the case as a party, their involvement would also be a matter of public record.
@@marc-andreservant201 Right, the issue with the deposition here is he keeps asking the same question which was answered. He knows the answer he'd prefer so he keeps asking instead of moving on to pertinent questions.
@@razorbeard6970 That's his right. He's conducting a deposition, and as long as the question is proper (asking if he's been sued before is certainly relevant), the witness is required to answer him.
He was sloppy. He actually won on the fraud and aiding and abetting but by being named a codefendant he messed up and didn't get written permission from his clients. So in truth he only got punished for the things he did after the case was filed against him. Shot self in foot.
This guy will 100% be my lawyer He seems like the guy that will Mysteriously beat off charges with me on video Proving the crime but just he’s attitude and pull a miracle he’s the man for the job lol
I would be very surprised if he was willing to get sanctioned defending a client. I would bet nearly anything he's only doing it here bc he's personally involved and doesn't like the other attorney (it seems).
You can assert Hipaa during a deposition. In 1996 there was a health insurance portability and accountability act. Hipaa extends to legal proceedings such as arbitrations, trials, and depositions.
HIPAA does not apply in this situation. None of the parties involved would be considered a HIPAA covered entity. Nothing under HIPAA prevents the lawyer from asking for info about what pill he just took. Now, HiPAA would prevent the other lawyer's doctor from providing information or medical records without authorization or valid subpoena/court order.
No you don't. Dude lost his case and got sanctioned. Even if he was right acting like this pisses the judge off and they're gonna be on your back the rest of the case.
@@TecniclyAwsm also a good way, but it depends on the case. if your shit is just lost, sometimes the best bet is to shut up and hope for a good judgement. The alab podcast episodes "weeb wars" and "faketoshi" have some good examples, from both sides. losing your cool in a deposition makes you look like an ass and so does being needlessly obstructionist.
I am not a lawyer and know nothing about being a lawyer but this was very entertaining! Professional arguers arguing. I am probably totally wrong but I am rooting for Mr Abrams! The other dude seems really annoying. Oh.... "you're fat".... "he called me fat "..... children please! 😂😂😂 OK just watched the end... he is a bad boy.
This guy is actually pretty cool.. sent the guy a email once and we both had a laugh… Did anyone think this deposition was going to produce any useful information? That’s what should have been weighed out prior to even bringing these two into a room.
That is the point of deposition. To get information out to see if it is usefull or not. Obviously they had something on him, otherwise he would not try so hard to not answer even most basic question.
Sharks of Humanity in one room eating eachother and acting like their better than eachother "Ask me questions about why we're here" "What are those pills", "what medication for flights-"
Speaking of "staying on the record." I was being questioned for some coworker's misconduct. I was being questioned and being told the allegations. Then asked to write a statement--about the coworkers--and I did. I was on medical leave during the events so I had NOTHING to offer. After that I was asked some questions about something I did, I gave an answer and after that I said "I am not going to answer any more questions it seems like you want to pull me into this..." After all that there was a bit of a heated talk (in the other room) they came in and gave me 2 forms to sign. One was a NDA the other was that when they disclosed the allegations to me that those were off the record. I refused and asked to leave. They said not until I signed the forms. I said "that sounds like duress." Then I said "It's 2:30 my work day ends at 4... I can sit here until then and leave or I can be released and go back to work..." they let me leave.
I know this is late but you are a badass and a hero. I had the misfortune to spend a couple of weeks in the psych ward, and i was the only person in there who still had normal clothes on instead of the humiliating, non insulating, hospital gowns that the other patiens were shuffling around in and freezing their asses off. When the nurses told me I had to give them my clothes i said, "respectfully, no, the fuck, I do not have to do that", and they were like " well, we NEED to see your body and make sure you havent cut yourself because its procedure!", and I said "take a goddamn look, and then fuck off, if you want my clothes you will have to take them from me by force, and I will not cooperate, or you could leave the clothes and not have to have a stressful night". The word NO carries much power.
@@Quiteinfamous being a prosecutor in a country where cops murder people and get away with it is rude. Being a mediocre prosecutor is at least not as bad as being a talented one
My lawyer was a soft spoken guy until deposition where he turned into a TIGER! I was startled! We won the case. He was sweet with the judge and ferocious with the defense.
I mean dude isn't wrong. Plaintiff attorney is kind of an idiot. He asks questions, gets an answer he doesn't like and then accuses dude of not answering. This whole room of lawyers is a mess
Are attorneys not allowed to ask a confirmation question? I mean the guy is sorta claiming that once in his entire life he was the personal target of a lawsuit yet he can barely remember if it actually happened? I'd ask a confirmation question too.
Without knowing all of the specifics of the case. My main question is how much of a fishing expedition are you allowed to go on in a civil case and can you pull an end run by calling a “witness” for a deposition you full intend to become a defendant.
@@bobbyologun1517 yeah I wasn’t being serious, he’s obviously a super greasy dude(literally and figuratively). Very funny to watch in action though. He’s a living archetype of 80’s scumbag attorneys. There are perhaps millions of unscrupulous lawyers, at least this one’s entertaining.
The guy getting deposed is a very successful lawyer isn't he? Yeah he ended up getting in trouble but to someone that doesn't know anything about these stuff he is a fucking pitbull and he's done well. Not here but otherwise he's alright
Oh man, when he mentioned HIPAA, my eyes rolled so hard it nearly gave me a headache. 😂 Of *course* there was a misused HIPAA reference, I’m almost impressed that he managed to bring that up, given what the deposition was actually about.
There is no way that a lawyer does not know whether they have been deposed or whether they have been named individually in a lawsuit. They may not be able to tell you exactly how many time that had happened off the top of their head, but they can certainly recall if it has happened.
It's so weird. It's like if a real lawyer decided to use Sovereign Citizen argument tactics (that's a big weird rabbit hole on its own if you haven't heard of it).
I don’t know why you thought he was going pro-se, he clearly has a lawyer representing him
He says he’s going pro-se in the beginning of the real video. My editor must have cut it out
@@AttorneyTom thanks for the clarification 👍
@@AttorneyTom time to fire the editor. Some times people have multiple lawyers, can a lawyer go pro-se and have a lawyer at same time?
@@jonathankhatskelevich7804 Good question
@@jonathankhatskelevich7804 lmao
Snorting a line of white powder .
"What powder did you just snort?"
Object to Form ...
LMAO!!!
They caught a guy doing that working for the city near my house. His excuse was he was snorting Tylenol because it worked better for his headaches.
@Connor Bolen He could claim it's an epi pen , he was severely allergic to idiocy so he wanted to take precautions."
@@bignastysimzz im not even joking when I say I've seen old people snorting their meds because its the old way of doing it. I watched an old grandmother doing lines of ibuprofen or some shit.
Object to form. I clearly snorted a circle.
how I imagine him in a courtroom:
"objection your honor"
"on what grounds?"
"on the grounds of none of your business"
I like those grounds, they strike right to the core of all possible problems
Object to your honor's form.
Object your honor
On what source?
My source is that I made it the fuck up!
Same energy
"You're guilty!"
"I know I am but what are yo... Wait..."
@@Adipose69 Alright, my time to shine... uh..
Inmate: What are you in for?
Abram: Object to form
Inmate: Sounds like a pedo-chaser, knife his ass
Abram upon getting stabbed: I'm going to move for sanctions..on...you...*death*
The twist: they're tic-tacs and it's just another way to mess with them.
Tic-tacs is an anagram for tactics😆
That was my first thought.
Objective forum, speculation. MOVE ON
Caffeine pills, they wake you up and help with weightloss
@@aengusdedanann181 he took like 8 tho he'd have a heart attack
This guy's like a magic 8 ball:
"I think so"
"I can't recall"
"Object to form"
"If you took some of these it would help get some of your weight off"
What a great way to tell someone that you're taking stimulants
Adderall baby!
Idk he took a lot for it to be adderall or something. Maybe it’s Kratom capsules. Otherwise he’d be speeding his balls off lol
@@Dirtbiker463 sure but it takes longer than 5 minutes for adderall to kick in.
@@jakejutras5420 cat
@@jakejutras5420 vd
Abrams: I object
Attorney: you can't object
Abrams: I just did
*thug life music plays*
“Have you taken any drugs before the deposition today?”
*nods head yes*
“No”
Lmaooo
Both times too and his nod for alcohol was even more pronounced. He definitely had a couple (or more) drinks before coming.
He looks and acts like my buddies dad. He runs a black smithy and drinks a bit. He’s tough and sour even when he’s praising you.
@@Mewse1203 -Speculation
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae sounds like a rad dude. I wanna be that guy.
Not all cultures nod up-and-down for "yes" and side-to-side for "no".
This was so childish, and juvenile, and I loved it. I appreciate the talent of a person who can bring down the maturity level of a whole room.
Exactly 😅🫢😂🤭🤣😭
I was deposed once, the opposition lawyer kept asking me irrelevant questions about what cartoon characters I liked and showing me pages from different comic books to ask my opinion. The entire thing was just to make things expensive for me. I wound up settling for $100 and then the judge ordered the other side to pay my legal fees so wound up costing the other side at least a few thousand bucks just to annoy me
What were you being deposed for?
@@scotty2tone contract dispute, nothing exciting. I was a vendor for a project but I didn’t receive payment in time so I couldn’t do the project so the other side claimed they them expressing their intention was a binding contract and I was like “I can’t get started unless I get the agreed upon down payment because I don’t want to be out of pocket to get started”.
@@haruruben Good for you.
Glad to hear things ended up working in your favor
Nice
But wait, which cartoon characters do you like?
Popping a stimulant and telling attourney deposing you that he could use some to lose weight is the most thug life thing I've ever seen.
THUG LIFE
Yeah this guy is my kind of sleazeball for sure. Would love to know what his life looks like day to day.
@@HaplessHypnagogicsometimes those sleaze balls make amazing attorneys cuz they’ll do anything to win for their clients lol
@@Arminsaf2 This guy sued his own client. He's nothing but a loudmouth that impresses the exact type of people that he rips off with insane legal bills for a weak defense that involves probably nothing except for being obnoxious and argumentative lol. Being loud is not the same as being sharp, the only person this guy represents is himself
@@michaelgeorge4643 Well said.
I want to see the second deposition supervised by the Special Master.
It's been two years, where's the updated video?
@@NoBody-yy8rkthere isn't one
He could be taking sugar pills to keep his blood sugar up during this intense battle. This guy seems like a calculated enough person to do that.
😭😭😭
Those pills aren’t big enough. They’re the size of tums
"I'm not drunk officer, I was just sanitizing my insides with alcohol to not catch covid!"
Could also be a multi-vitamin
@@lynnbell6374 you do know that taking multiple multi-vitamins can do your body great harm? I really doubt this dude was like "oh fuck, no better time to get healthy. "
The more pills the attorney takes the lower the difficulty becomes.
Im really curious what pills he’s taking, it can’t be healthy to take that many pills
Mentats
@@coaltrickle5746 opiates probably. He scratches his nose and face throughout the entire video.
@@DomR1997 I think you highly underestimate the human body. Especially at a low MG that’s nowhere near enough to make you OD.
@@DickPhitswell88 you have no idea what you're talking about.
He represented me in a case against a dealership that took advantage of my grandpa. He kicked the dealers ass for the crazy “deal” they were trying to screw my gpa with. I hate to see him on here getting roasted. He was hired as my contract lawyer. He was really nice to me and my family. I will also say, he felt the dealer was ethically wrong and he refunded my retainer. Was a super nice guy.
Holy shit dude I just became his biggest fan as soon as you said he refunded his retainer.
Wheat state was this? If I ever need a lawyer I want this dude haha
...Must have gotten involved in drugs or something.
Just because he helped out your grandfather doesn't mean he didn't violate ethics and rules as a lawyer.
And because he refunded the retainer, are you implying that he did the whole case for free? I would find that very difficult to believe.
@@alfaivre2990 Colorado.
"Have you been to an deposition before?"
Attorney Tom:"It depends."
Lol 😆 that is the most stereotypical lawyer answer but also the most accurate 🤣
@@hiromilock9269 well you see...it depends.
Object to form.
The original question was "how many times have you been deposed" his answer was correct he didn't know the exact number so he said I do not recall... then buddy changes his question... have you ever been deposed... buddy asking questions fucked up huge.
Person being interviewed: takes pills
Interviewer: what we’re those pills you’ve just taken?
Person: object to form!
How many cups of coffee does this guy have?!?!? He’s pulling cups out of thin air
Cocaine.
@@jamessundance6489 yep used to be an addict.
Id carry a pill bottle full of gel tabs that you can buy off the shelf full of a few bumps of coke.
Need to get high in class but not about to whip out a straw and razor blade?
Normally people will say no to that question.
But id just pop like 6 of those bad boys and get fucking focused as shit. Lmfao
Object to form medical privilege
He’s Macho Man but with the re-appearing, magic marshmallows or cups.
Dudes popping tic tacs, and living in their heads rent free.
Guys like him end up in prison lol
This is the best Gérard Butler audition tape for Law Abiding Citizen 2 😅
Law Abiding Citizen 2: Objection Boogaloo
I had a Deposition once! I was a primary witness to a low speed accident (15ish mph). Had no idea who was who, as about 8 months had passed... but the Attorneys were really nice.. until I told my story, then one of them looked very unhappy, and one got really, really happy. They thanked me and that was the end of it.
Betting you literally shot a huge hole through the guys payday, would sour most.
One side emerged victorious! But alas, the other side was vanquished. Thus are the vicissitudes of sport!
I kinda agree with his first objection, he was clearly asked the question and answered it like ten seconds beforehand; but as he drew it out it just became an [aubergine] measuring contest.
Its an eggplant you British bloke. Or Cock
@@uolocur9356 finally someone who gets it. British "people"🤢 🤮
Eggplant, huh? Thought he meant that stuff that whales puke up; they make it into perfume.
@@uolocur9356 What's the difference between an aubergine and an eggplant? That's right, none, except that the former term is used by more nations than the latter.
@@zendakk When those nations match the U.S.'s nuclear capacity, we can start that conversation about what we should call the purple dong plant, but for now they are eggplants.
"L.A. Noir requires you to read subtle facial queues to tell if somebody is lying"
*Mr. Abrams* 😠😡😒☹️🙁😕😤😠😡🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤨😡😏☹️😠🤔🤔🤔
Incredible reference
I really like the idea that they were just sugar pills
Were they really?
Tums, lol.
Maybe tic tacs
Hahahaha, that’s a curveball. Definitely got them off their questionnaire.
Bet it's caffeine or Adderall the way he talks about weight-loss
For all his faults I really enjoyed watching him waste another attorneys time…also the lawyer who’s asking the questions didn’t seem any more professional…but it was his deposition so he gets to be the Dick
Play stupid games, everyone wins a stupid prize.
Yeah, both guys were giving each other trouble, LOL.
It's true opposing counsel could have handled it better but probably was caught off guard by the massive resistance.
Sometimes reality is actually way crazier than fiction
A lot of fiction stuff is based off mainly things in reality. Certain things are of course stretched, or made more juicy to get more appeal and attraction, etc out of it
Somtimes reality is better... no CRAZIER than reality now for crawl out through the fallout
Thank you for reviewing this! I am not an attorney but I love (for some ungodly reason) watching deposition videos, and came across this one not too long ago. Great to hear your take on it and your comments.
by "object" he means "a pill" and by "to form" he means "into my belly"
💀🤣🤣
😂🤣💀
Underrated comment 😆
“Get in my belly!”
Holy fuck dude I died
I'd hire this guy
Imagine if he got into family law, the divorce hearings would be hilarious
I did . He was brilliant !
you'd probably get shafted but it would be entertaining
He is a divorce lawyer as well as real estate and construction.
Who is going to make a bot that says “object to form” or “asked and answered” at random on the subreddit?
object to form move on
@Zygy __ object to form move on
"Being smart doesn't mean anything if you are a total asshole " - AttorneyTom. Lol, I am going to quote you on that.
He's wrong, though. Being an asshole can help.
Smart > Smart ass
It's like real life House. Edit: whispers, "object to form", yells, "stop laughing at me!" Cop pulls you over, "Are you high?" "HIPPA!"
A great lawyer will leave you without a true answer to any questions, but simply provide a unbeatable and frustrating web of confusion 😅
Off jump...guy off camera sitting to his right is not just attorney for the firm...he's also Abrahms attorney. Abrahms was not representing himself (as he was a witness in this particular case). His firm was named as defendants in a case involving their client. Abrahms himself was charged with several offenses. In the end, the prosecutor was able to file sanctions against him for his actions and behavior in this deposition. His unblemished record got nailed with an 8 month suspension. Also as a witness in this deposition...he wasn't allowed to object himself. That is what the lawyer is for. As a lawyer he should have known that.
The clip left out where he said he was representing himself.
Five bucks says he'll be a senator or congressman soon.
Yea
Oh yeah. Theres so many people who confuse asshole behaviour with being a good leader, and this guy was even sanctioned for “bombastic rhetoric” after the judge had warned them about it previously.
He’s gonna heavily contest a primary at minimum
Perhaps he'll make the mother of all omelets and we can't fret over every egg
He should be, he's not putting up with any BS. He answered the question and wants to move on.
Senator? President more likely! All he needs is orange hair.
This guy is a joke, he's refusing to let them lay the foundation for evidence and then saying "You haven't brought any evidence questions"
He just talks fast and treats people like shit because he's trying to exhaust them
So... Basically a good lawyer that forgot a technicality?
To be fair that's how lawyers should be talked to
Love how he just mutters "object to form" habitually under his breath
Tom, it *is* permissible to claim privilege in a deposition to avoid self-incrimination, assert professional privilege, or to protect information that could cause harm to the public. Since this guy is appearing pro se, he ostensibly can (albeit awkwardly) claim attorney client privilege.
Also, the person deposing him is likely *not* HIPPA compliant, which he would be required to be before they could compel any testimony regarding medical information.
I was just going to say, it’s not that hard to understand. If Abrams is pro se in a criminal court, he then has special privileges to not answer in the deposition because it could incriminate himself. Also, the attorney questioning has no right to know what pills he took, it’s irrelevant and depending on the pills, could be a medical privacy.
I'm a layman, I have no idea if he can claim attorney client privilege, or professional privilege, but I love the gall of it.
@@blairjohnson6014 unless he obtained a waiver or a motion to compel hipaa releases.
@@blairjohnson6014 this either shouldn't be recorded, or posted online if he answered that maybe?
Due to the fact that you can have multiple attorneys, is it possible to go both pro se AND have another attorney? So he can object both himself and have his attorney do it too?
Pls someone posts this question on the subreddit if needed, I need answers!
That’s a great question I’ll look into that!!!!
@@justinhoward6075 so?
I need to know!
No
You cant be pro se and have attorneys but if the lawyer is the defendant than he's consulted on his case by his attorneys obviously but they're the attorneys and he's the client.
"what is the process of crafting a clay pot?"
"object to form."
Best and dumbest comment LOL
This guy is like a salty lawyer form of Brandon Herrera.
"Today's whiteboard of knowedge is gonna be on object to form and how to improperly use it."
AK daddy
When will we get the AK-50? Object to form.
This is the comment I was looking for
Here is my home weld AK using all authentic 1960s AKM parts...
"Object to form!"
-Brandon Herrera
That lawyer is my pill poppin, irreverent, rock and roll spirit animal.
This man looks like a homeless John wick that hasn't hit the gym in 3 years
@L Train45 and when they do wear ties, they aren't lawyers.
@@kimchipanda7678 object 2 form
Ask n answered move on
Defendant was suspended for 3 months. Sad because he was right in asserting that opposition had absolutely no evidence.
As annoying as he is, he is effective. He's running the prosecutor round in circles.
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He got sanctioned through. He ran around it through and got his day in the sun
@@adryansantiago2748 English please.
Wrong. Judges and juries don't appreciate this behavior.
@@lomelyowhat is "wrong'? I didn't say I approved of his tactics, I just said he was effective. I don't even know what the object of the case was, but on that day, he achieved his objective which was to stymie the prosecutor. He wasn't in front of a judge OR a jury on this video, so it's hardly a valid argument to say they don't appreciate it.
@@investigator77 lmao he had his license revoked for 90 days with 2 years probation that's how stupid what he did is and you still call it effective ??? Calling in sick is more effective 🤣
I really didn't understand anything but found it entertaining.
I’ve represented attorneys and professionals in malpractice suits. It’s always a glorious shitshow.
Pretty based if you ask me
I say if someone sues you it's your duty to make the process as lengthy and arduous for them as possible
Exactly.
And object to form as much as possible
I’d legit want him as a layer if I was ever accused of anything criminal, he seems like the kind of guy to go to absolute war defending the client if he was offered enough money.
@John Griffith no, but I'm from long island so I'm very experienced at suing people 🙂
@John Griffith most people can't afford to be sued anyway so you might as well make it hell, then murder the lawyer and person who sued you. Plantiff? Idk. Then you get an ez paid for life in prison after your life as a free man got fucked.
Perfect example of somebody who thinks they're better and smarter than everybody else. He answers to no one, because there isn't anyone worthy of questioning him.
This guy is a boss. I didn't think he would be in the right. But I'm on his side here.
Sounds about right. Not all the knifes in the drawer are sharp 😘
@@thesolarengineer Yeah, some of them don't know how to spell 'knives' 😘
He isn’t and got sanctions against him.
The one big question that I'm left with is, what the hell was he taking?
He implied they were diet pills, but you can't eat diet pills like that. That much caffeine would literally kill you. Also, it wouldn't make much sense to take a stimulant while on the stand. Maybe some kind of tranquilizer or mood stabilizer?
If they're 50mg pills it would be dangerous but probably wouldn't kill you
It seems to me that they were both misbehaving and escalating the situation, but I have no legal experience. Was the interviewer’s conduct really acceptable?
there's no law against being a dick, it's kind of expected. but you can't be a dick when you're supposed to be answering and you can only play stupid up to a point.
@@viator22 Seems a little strange.
I'm 9 min into the vid. His being a pain but his legally doing nothing wrong
I agree, this seemed like them both being dicks but both technically not doing anything illegal. Honestly, I didn't think the defendant was being that big of a problem (even though he got in trouble for this)...if he doesnt answer, mark it down and take it to the judge...simple. No need to argue.
Theres a fine line to walk between pushback and contempt, but screw it, make the prosecutor angry and youre winning
Why does court sound like they’re just casting spells while beefing lmao
Lol
15:29 "Have you taken any drugs?"
Attorney Witness: *nods head* "No."
He smiled aswell 😂😂
Just looked this guy up, and the Google reviews on his office are hilarious. A bunch of 1 stars saying stuff like "i went in for legal advice, but he just kept saying "asked and answered" and threading to file 30.d sanctions against me"
you could learn a lot from this guy, claim attorney client privilege on yourself, and of course the pills that make you 10x more smarterer
What pills are that lmao
@@KaoticReach1999 Someone said they hoped he was eating tictacs/sugar pills.
Edit: There is no way to know what they are though.
@@KaoticReach1999 Probably an amphetamine because you can’t just do a line of coke during deposition.
@@KaoticReach1999 Mentats
@@Terabit3 Grape flavored
I didnt know Julian from Trailer Park Boys became a lawyer.
The trailers gettin an upgrade boys!!!
Ahahaha
Mr. Abrams invokes his right to eat Tic Tacs.
This is like some weird version of Attorney Skyrim where they just keep spamming magic spells over and over 😂. And who the hell is the “Special Master”. Is he like the head wizard at the law school ?
I love when he whispers “object to form” to his attorney 😂
IANAL, but: a "special master" is basically someone given limited powers (typically by a judge) for a specific case. This could be as simple as overseeing pre-trial discovery in a contentious matter, or as complex as running a full "trial" as when the Supreme Court has Original Jurisdiction.
In the law of the United States, a special master is generally a subordinate official appointed by a judge to make sure that judicial orders are actually followed, or in the alternative, to hear evidence on behalf of the judge and make recommendations to the judge as to the disposition of a matter.
I can all but promise you that I will never refer to someone as "special master".
Don’t knock it ‘till you try it
They aren't the special master of people, they are the special master of a legal case.
This guy sounds like his legal education is only a few legal terms he found on the internet. 😂
He’s just taking the pills to get at the lawyer
Prolly tic tacs
I thought at first I wasn't going to like this guy but he's brilliant. Lawyers are scumbags until you need one.
Attorney Tom is proof lawyers have souls
Have not listened yet but your comment about your eye patch hit me where I live! When I was reading the law I also had an eye go crazy on me! So badly I had to have it surgically corrected. I’d always had a lazy eye but the hours of concentrated reading sent it over the edge!
Fraud is a criminal act as well, isn't it? You should be able to use attorney client privilege if it could lead to criminal charges of a client.
Can you dumb this down for me please..?
@@smilemore1997 if you are in a civil deposition that could lead into a criminal charge of a client, like in the case of fraud, you can you attorney client privilege to protect your client who is vulnerable to a charge because that deposition can be used as evidence in a criminal investigation where the attorney would be effectively testifying against their client.
@@diasent exactly
@@diasent First it is not an objection that can be used at a deposition, second that will be determined by a Judge that reviews the deposition.
@@wkvintus You can use it as an answer when you are the one being deposed.
Watching stuff like this really makes me very aware of my ODD. Every time I hear a "You NEED to answer my questions!" My mind viciously goes to "I don't NEED to answer sh*t and I'd like to see you try and make me.".
I couldn't handle environments like this haha.
isn't odd a childhood diagnosis
That’s not OCD, that’s human nature (unless you have a diagnosis that is)
@@jonaskennedyhe said ODD
@@jcdock it's typically diagnosed in childhood but it doesn't just magically disappear the moment you turn 18.
If he's been named in a court case then that's on the public record. Attorney-client privilege applies to confidences, not public records.
If it's public record he wouldn't be deposed to confirm that fact he'd be deposed to gain more information about his involvement.
@@razorbeard6970 Attorneys are allowed to ask questions that they already know the answer to. If the witness was involved in the case as a party, their involvement would also be a matter of public record.
@@marc-andreservant201 Right, the issue with the deposition here is he keeps asking the same question which was answered. He knows the answer he'd prefer so he keeps asking instead of moving on to pertinent questions.
@@razorbeard6970 That's his right. He's conducting a deposition, and as long as the question is proper (asking if he's been sued before is certainly relevant), the witness is required to answer him.
He was sloppy. He actually won on the fraud and aiding and abetting but by being named a codefendant he messed up and didn't get written permission from his clients.
So in truth he only got punished for the things he did after the case was filed against him.
Shot self in foot.
Me: I'll have a Coke please.
Waitress: Is Pepsi okay?
Me: OBJECT TO FORM.
Cant snort a line of pepsi
This comment is great 👍
Thank you so much for giving us the results of this!! So many channels would just leave us hanging to do the research
This guy will 100% be my lawyer
He seems like the guy that will
Mysteriously beat off charges with me on video
Proving the crime but just he’s attitude and pull a miracle he’s the man for the job lol
I would be very surprised if he was willing to get sanctioned defending a client. I would bet nearly anything he's only doing it here bc he's personally involved and doesn't like the other attorney (it seems).
Oh, he'll "beat off" those charges alright...probably for more pills
@Alejandro Brunner now that, he might do 😂... Mysteriously and on video 😆
right, hire a lawyer with a fraud case on themselves, what a genius idea
Lawyer :"so this guy got sanctioned and suspended"
Dumb ass youtube comment: "i want that guy as my personal lawyer. Seems flawless"
You can assert Hipaa during a deposition. In 1996 there was a health insurance portability and accountability act. Hipaa extends to legal proceedings such as arbitrations, trials, and depositions.
HIPAA does not apply in this situation. None of the parties involved would be considered a HIPAA covered entity. Nothing under HIPAA prevents the lawyer from asking for info about what pill he just took. Now, HiPAA would prevent the other lawyer's doctor from providing information or medical records without authorization or valid subpoena/court order.
@@mtz2273 But he is his own attorney so he is refusing to providing medical record information about his patient (himself) on behalf of himself. :D
I love this attorney. You hire a lawyer to be a contrarian and object to EVERYTHING. I'd hire him...
No you don't. Dude lost his case and got sanctioned. Even if he was right acting like this pisses the judge off and they're gonna be on your back the rest of the case.
@@viator22 So the judge was in on with the crappy deposition dude. Hmmm.
Youre welcome to disagree, but I've been in enough cases to know that a lawyer sitting quietly is how you get screwed.
@@TecniclyAwsm also a good way, but it depends on the case. if your shit is just lost, sometimes the best bet is to shut up and hope for a good judgement. The alab podcast episodes "weeb wars" and "faketoshi" have some good examples, from both sides. losing your cool in a deposition makes you look like an ass and so does being needlessly obstructionist.
Guy like this would piss off the judge, which is never good
"It doesn't matter if you're right if nobody likes you"
I am not a lawyer and know nothing about being a lawyer but this was very entertaining! Professional arguers arguing. I am probably totally wrong but I am rooting for Mr Abrams! The other dude seems really annoying.
Oh.... "you're fat".... "he called me fat "..... children please! 😂😂😂
OK just watched the end... he is a bad boy.
Both of them seem annoying lol
@@chaos00000 yes annoying in their own unique ways!
@@cdcaterham everyone is annoying in their own way.
Also: everyone is a special master in their own way.
🐀 Lawyers vs Lawyers is a fight the whole world enjoys watching 🦈
This guy is actually pretty cool.. sent the guy a email once and we both had a laugh…
Did anyone think this deposition was going to produce any useful information? That’s what should have been weighed out prior to even bringing these two into a room.
That is the point of deposition. To get information out to see if it is usefull or not.
Obviously they had something on him, otherwise he would not try so hard to not answer even most basic question.
@@iglidor He answered the questions and was badgered.
Sharks of Humanity in one room eating eachother and acting like their better than eachother
"Ask me questions about why we're here"
"What are those pills", "what medication for flights-"
Speaking of "staying on the record." I was being questioned for some coworker's misconduct. I was being questioned and being told the allegations. Then asked to write a statement--about the coworkers--and I did.
I was on medical leave during the events so I had NOTHING to offer. After that I was asked some questions about something I did, I gave an answer and after that I said "I am not going to answer any more questions it seems like you want to pull me into this..."
After all that there was a bit of a heated talk (in the other room) they came in and gave me 2 forms to sign. One was a NDA the other was that when they disclosed the allegations to me that those were off the record. I refused and asked to leave. They said not until I signed the forms. I said "that sounds like duress." Then I said "It's 2:30 my work day ends at 4... I can sit here until then and leave or I can be released and go back to work..." they let me leave.
I know this is late but you are a badass and a hero. I had the misfortune to spend a couple of weeks in the psych ward, and i was the only person in there who still had normal clothes on instead of the humiliating, non insulating, hospital gowns that the other patiens were shuffling around in and freezing their asses off. When the nurses told me I had to give them my clothes i said, "respectfully, no, the fuck, I do not have to do that", and they were like " well, we NEED to see your body and make sure you havent cut yourself because its procedure!",
and I said "take a goddamn look, and then fuck off, if you want my clothes you will have to take them from me by force, and I will not cooperate, or you could leave the clothes and not have to have a stressful night". The word NO carries much power.
This isn't even my final form!
Object to form, move on.
Attorneys are always the worst in depositions when they are on the receiving end of the questioning.
i feel like the pill popping lawyer would smoke attorney tom in a trial
Attorney Tom is a mediocre prosecutor but he's pretty good at RUclips
Rude
@@Quiteinfamous being a prosecutor in a country where cops murder people and get away with it is rude. Being a mediocre prosecutor is at least not as bad as being a talented one
@@HolbrookStark Salt
@@loficat4993 🧂
Well I for one will not be putting that attorney on retainer
Is this in LA? This guy seems like a sleazy LA lawyer from the movies.
Also: is this a movie?
My lawyer was a soft spoken guy until deposition where he turned into a TIGER! I was startled! We won the case. He was sweet with the judge and ferocious with the defense.
I mean dude isn't wrong. Plaintiff attorney is kind of an idiot. He asks questions, gets an answer he doesn't like and then accuses dude of not answering. This whole room of lawyers is a mess
they for sure have a history and it isn't a good one
Are attorneys not allowed to ask a confirmation question? I mean the guy is sorta claiming that once in his entire life he was the personal target of a lawsuit yet he can barely remember if it actually happened? I'd ask a confirmation question too.
This whole video gave me a headache... I have no idea how you lawyers work in this environment, props
Without knowing all of the specifics of the case. My main question is how much of a fishing expedition are you allowed to go on in a civil case and can you pull an end run by calling a “witness” for a deposition you full intend to become a defendant.
That is not allowed, he either has to be named as a defendant, or you need to proceed with him in a separate case I believe.
Big fan of this dudes swagger not gonna lie. What a maniac. Respect.
hes a gangster with a law degree nothing more
@@bobbyologun1517 yeah I wasn’t being serious, he’s obviously a super greasy dude(literally and figuratively). Very funny to watch in action though. He’s a living archetype of 80’s scumbag attorneys. There are perhaps millions of unscrupulous lawyers, at least this one’s entertaining.
The guy getting deposed is a very successful lawyer isn't he? Yeah he ended up getting in trouble but to someone that doesn't know anything about these stuff he is a fucking pitbull and he's done well. Not here but otherwise he's alright
He's been sued by his clients so.....
@@Leo-sd3jt to be fair anyone can sue anyone for what ever reason
But you have not even looked at the result, he lost the case and also got sanctioned!
@@wkvintus Win some lose some
@@wkvintus yeah but like, by that logic, no one innocent has ever been sentenced wrongly have they?
I can’t believe they can ask you anything, like your salary and what assets you hold and worse. These things are madness.
HAPPY EARLY BIRTHDAY!!!. WE GOTTA RANK THIS DUDE UP, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. !!!
There is NO medication for anxiety that you eat like that, I’m on everything under the sun and not a single bottle says “JUST EAT WHATEVA.”
😂😂😂😂
Oh man, when he mentioned HIPAA, my eyes rolled so hard it nearly gave me a headache. 😂 Of *course* there was a misused HIPAA reference, I’m almost impressed that he managed to bring that up, given what the deposition was actually about.
Another comment says he actually has the right to call HIPAA if the other guy isn't HIPAA compliant.
Right?? 🤣
There is attorney-client privilege in civil cases, too. Questions that involve attorney and client conversations are off limits in depositions.
There is no way that a lawyer does not know whether they have been deposed or whether they have been named individually in a lawsuit. They may not be able to tell you exactly how many time that had happened off the top of their head, but they can certainly recall if it has happened.
The amount of people that said this is the type of attorney you need is quite frightening.
It's so weird. It's like if a real lawyer decided to use Sovereign Citizen argument tactics (that's a big weird rabbit hole on its own if you haven't heard of it).
Hes an awesome lawyer from what I gathered because he beat this nonsense case where it was about overcharging
“Have you taken any drugs before this deposition?”
Mouth says, “No”
Head nods, “Yes.”
Trust the head.
I think he's just nodding as in "I was expecting this question"