Mishra's Deck Box: In Action (2022)
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- The only shuffler designed for sleeved Magic: the Gathering Commander decks! New, from Urza's Toolbox (urzastoolbox.com)
We all love playing Commander, but shuffling the deck can be the most challenging part of the entire game! So, we designed a custom 3D-Printed card shuffler specifically for sleeved cards, and big enough to handle Commander.
Card sleeves shown include: Dragon Shield Matte, Eclipse Pro, & Katana sleeves.
NOTE: Some of the decks were deliberately shuffled upside down, that way you can see them mixing together more clearly.
Update Aug 19, 2022 - The original video was not balanced audio.
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It would be cool to put different sleeves on each side to see how mixed they get
It is gonna mainly be alternating with a couple of doubles where the card 2nd from bottom stuck to the bottom one.
Brilliant idea
Great idea! We will be doing some new photos and videos soon, and have taken a note to shoot a video with different sleeves on each side!
@@urzastoolboxi’d like to second this, waiting to buy !
This is really cool, but if it jams and bends one of my $50+ cards, im taking someones toes.
I would build a budget deck just to use this thing lol
increase measure and use hard toploads
Why are there 50$+ cards?
@@joaquincaceresguibovich3182supply vs demand, playability, could even have some fancy version of a card (extended art foils). And then there's the reserve list of cards that won't (at least shouldn't) get reprints. It can get a bit ridiculous.
I think I'll just sleve a deck of playing cards and use this for poker night.
Every time it choked up, I felt my Time Walk break in half.
So, the design is deliberate that it will hold and require a backup and restart in order to ensure that a card is never damaged. Very early in the initial design and testing process, I chose the path of card safety as the upmost priority. Since launch, we have never had a sleeved card damage in one of our shufflers. Not in our thousands and thousands of tests, and not by any of our hundreds of customers. Being a former competitive Type 1 player, I understand the concern over card damage, so that has always been #1.
@@urzastoolboxuTmost*
“Actually judge, i can shuffle my battle wits deck without help”
Once my brother brought a hand-cranked automatic shuffler (like this, but less sophisticated) to a serious Pro-Tour Qualifier for fun.
Imagine pulling up this after fetching a land each time.
Oh boy, wait until you see my K'rrik deck...
Crucible + Azusa + a fetch lands for maximum shuffling
Or fastbond if you’re feeling funny
Or dumping your 25+ Mana into your Urza, High Lord Artificer commander.
@redigerrediger
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I gotta be honest, while it looks awesome and I fully respect the time and extensive testing that went into it, $120+ is a very very steep price.
This is amazing! Im losing the use of my hands and shuffling 100 cards is the reason i cant easily play commander. Something pike this would fix that entirely, but only if it works 100% of the time and doesnt bend anything
This is an important comment. This is a neat bit of engineering but the majority of people can mash shuffle a sleeved deck multiple times in the time it takes to do this once. A 100 card deck would need to go through this 8-10 times for a full randomization.
But if it lets one person play magic that otherwise couldn't then it is great.
In all of our testing, and using it playing Commander on Spelltable, we have never had a bent or damaged card. And with the shufflers we have sold, we have never heard back from a customer about a damaged card either.
Wow. This is very good for people with disabilities. They can shuffle.using one hand. Kudos to you
They can't tho. He uses both hands every time he shuffles. One side holding the contraption down, the other cranking the shaft.
@@justinbean971 you dont actually use your HAND specifically tho, part of the arm or heck even your head if you can lean down far enough works for holding it down
We have been testing out a weight on the bottom and some rubber feet to make it easier to use one handed. We do love the accessibility options that our shufflers provide.
It’s super expensive is my only issue
This is glorious. I've long dreamed of an automated shuffler that can be used with MtG cards without damaging them. That you built one that works with sleeved cards is a level above.
That said - smoother action and less noise would be appreciated. No one wants two dozen of these cranking along during EDH night at their LGS. And jams can lead to damaged cards. NO ONE wants damaged cards. Good luck on your design, we anticipate great things from you. 👍
We have been working hard on the action and the noise. We have an updated version of the shuffler launching very soon that has a MUCH smoother action and some noise reduction too!
I have never so instantly wanted a product
Ooofff!! I love this deck box! I know it probably has a limit… but if it could shuffle a 100 card commander deck, this would be excellent!!
Read the Description
"We all love playing Commander, but shuffling the deck can be the most challenging part ... sleeved cards, and big enough to handle Commander. "
@@nicking4415yeah, I read the description. I do t recall ever asking for your opinion, bot. I am hoping the uploaded would be able to make an iteration for commander.
@@TheBlitzgundam Clearly you didn't. It can already handle sleeved commander decks. You are asking for something this product can already do.
It's like asking your body to filter oxygen and carbon dioxide. It already does it.
This is designed specifically for Commander (100 cards!). So buy one today and shuffle up, Commander!
I wonder, does this damage the cards? It seems quite rough, also how well does it do with other TCGs? Yu-Gi-Oh! cards for example are quite a bit smaller.
In all our testing, it has never damaged a card. Yes, sometimes the sleeves will catch on edge against each other, but it is designed so that the cards are outside of the drive mechanism at that point, so there is no force to push them hard and bend or damage the card. Having played Magic since Urza's Block, I understand the concern over not damaging expensive cards! So, special attention was given to the design to not damage or bend the cards.
@@urzastoolbox Hm, I would probably try it out, using a cheap deck at first, is any part of it reliant on the exact size of the card? As in, do smaller TCG cards work as well?
One day these shufflers will be battery-operated-I can feel it!
I have looked at the idea of battery powered, but because I am hyper-concerned over the safety of the cards in the shuffler, I am doubtful that I would ever be comfortable with that idea. There are battery-powered shufflers on amazon for unsleeved cards, and I have tried them, and they really run the risk of damaging cards, so I am very hesitant. But, never say never!
does this work on double sleeved? is it simply a left right shuffler?
Yes, they do work with double-sleeved cards. The mechanism is designed to be adjustable, so you can even adjust the feed for thicker or thinner sleeves or cards. We have tested using penny sleeve inners and "perfect fit" inners, with Dragon Shield, Katana, Eclipse and HyperMAT standard sleeves. The Standard size will fit ~60-70 double-sleeved cards, and we offer the "XL" that is sized up for 100 double-sleeved cards. This will NOT work with the "Dragon Shield Outers", as those are physically too big, but we are finalizing a design to fit those (available via custom order)!
I thought the act of shuffeling in MTG indicated that there's randomization. This contraption seem to add alternating cards from each side, which wouldn't be actual randomization of the deck.
It is not a perfect left-right-left-right alternation. There is variability to allow for 2 cards to come through here and there, or feed speed differences to not be a perfect alternation. From a technical standpoint, one run through the shuffler would be equivalent to one riffle shuffle or one single side shuffle. I do not know the stance of using these for a sanctioned event, but for friendly play, as long as you run it through several times, it should provide sufficient randomization.
Don't understand why it has to be $120 though.
I would absolutely buy one of these if the price was in line with other auto-shuffle machines. There are electric ones that are only like $30. I'd probably pay $60 for this but $120 is a bit steep
I totally understand the concern over the price. Yes, there are hand cranked and battery powered shufflers for unsleeved cards out there for a lot less. From personal experience they do not work with sleeves cards at all, and are prone to bending cards due to the force used, as well as the positioning of the driver mechanism. We took great care to custom design these for shuffling potentially expensive sleeved cards, like Magic: the Gathering and Pokemon. We are a small business, 3D Printing these at home, hand assembling, testing and shipping these shufflers, so we do not have the economies of scale that the mass-market produced ones do. Also, the lettering and symbols on these shufflers are not painted, they are multi-color prints, so it is actually 2 different colors of plastic. This process slows down prints and overall production quite a bit, but we believe that aesthetics matter.
For the people talking about damage to cards, it's only sleeves that get wear from the friction.
If there is a pressing force that is gripping the sleeves that slowly damages the cards as well. Then there is watching the yellow sleeve one around 50 seconds where it seems to jam that scares people. Finally, post the yellow sleeves the cards def seem bowed themselves in the center which is at least slightly concerning. Id still use it tho!
We understand the concern, and that's actually why we used a video that had a small jam, to show that it cannot actually damage the card. The deck used in that video had a lot of foils, and some with a lot of bend, as we all have experienced with Magic over the past years. None of the non-foils have any bend to them, and the foils only have the bend that they came out of their packs with. Being totally transparent, the worst we have ever seen is a couple of small indents on the edges of the sleeves, which is natural wear-and-tear on the sleeves, and will happen with manual shuffling and handling as well.
As for the pressing force, we actually designed this with only bottom rollers, to avoid the "pressing force" you mentioned. The cards are engaged on the bottom by the wheels, and the only force from the top is the weight of whatever portion of the deck may or may not be left on top. That should reduce or eliminate any damage from the pressing force described.
If this works with un-sleeved cards as well it would be worth it. Make the game more fun in a way.
Why?
@@jojojo9240 Not everyone can shuffle well enough and it’s not hard to cheat with sleight of hand and card counting.
No one would willingly use unsleeved cards outside of pauper
@@Demonologist013 False. I just played EDH with my unsleeved deck at my LGS last night. The joy it brings me to riffle shuffle while watching people freak out or wince is worth every penny. The deck is fin as well.
Sometimes I hold a fetchland until the table is calm, then drop it and crack it just to see the faces.
@@dwpetrak bet uplaod a video doing that with them face up then I'll believe you
Is it just shuffling by putting one card from each side at a time? Because if so that is a pretty lousy shuffle tbh.
this looks like a shuffling machine with extra steps
And for $95-$125 more. Yikes.
I had a battery powered version of this years ago and it was a bit hit and miss. Didn't always grab the cards properly and sometimes scuffed them a bit. But it was before sleeves were really a thing.
god damn, for 120 USD I'll just learn to shuffle!
For real. I understand the effort of trial and error during development but there's no way this is more than $10 of materials.
So one times shuffle is similar with one times with hand, just 10 times slower.
Very cool, but just a bit too expensive.
Can the process be reversed to minimise the damage to the cards?
Which damage?
The cards are not damaged. Even when they catch, it doesn't actually bend the card. And a quick reverse of the handle will back things up and let you move them forward again.
This is uber cool
Might be fun for my cheap decks, but even bending like a 10 dollar card would drive me nuts
We just put up a new video showing clearly how the shuffler mechanism works, and that even when deliberately setting one to make it jam, it cannot actually bend or damage a card. The wheels that move the card through are set at a distance so there is only enough force to make them fall at the distance where the cards come together. We have never had a card bend or be damage in all of our testing, and have never had a customer report it happening either.
That seems like so much more work than just shuffling.
Definitely cool looking, but does that increase the risk of performing perfect shuffles (and not adding much randomness)?
Not really. The design does allow for 2 cards to pull through at the same time, so you will get a mix of 1 or 2 from each side with most shuffles, and should result is a reasonable amount of randomness.
They say on the website it would be used for MTG decks
But I would probably use this for my Yu-Gi-Oh deck
"Shuffle well, Pharoah. And hope with all of your soul that Ra ends up on the bottom."
- Yami Marik
It will work for any "Standard Sized Card", so Magic, Pokemon, Flesh & Blood, Final Fantasy TCG, etc. Yu-Gi-Oh is the smaller "Japanese Size", and doesn't run as well as we like, so we don't recommend them at this time. We are looking at solutions for the smaller sized cards.
Is it possible to buy the STL so I can print one for my wife? It hurts watching her shuffle my squirrel deck
Hi there. Unfortunately we are not offering the STL files for sale at this time.
Just got one. How does it do with high end cards? Not going to damage a card?
We have never had a sleeved card damage in our shuffler.
Would this interact well with double sleeved cards?
Just...don't double sleeve them.
@@justinbean971 unfortunate, I like double sleeving with art sleeves on my 75 card decks. Would still definitely help shuffle a commander deck since I use UP matte sleeves.
Yes, penny or perfect fit inners with normal external sleeves work just fine.
Mishra's Deck Box this name is twice as funny if you are german.
What's the translation
@@thanhavictus "mischen" is the german word for "to shuffle"
That is funny. I had no idea of the translation there. LOLOL
Any version for Japanese size sleeved cards?
Not yet, sadly. We have been trying to find a good way to scale down for Japanese sized cards, like Yu-Gi-Oh, but we haven't managed to get it to work the way we want to. But we haven't given up hope.
Not trusting that not to damage my cards.
If you shuffle it twice using the machine, would the cards return to its original order?
LOL, no it would not. You are mixing two different parts of the deck, just like if you cut a deck, and side shuffled in one half into the other. If you do that a second time, it just mixes the cards even more. Also there is an additional element of randomness as it can grab one or two cards at a time from each side, so it is not a perfect 1-1-1-1 shuffle either, to help with randomness.
Are those Lego technic wheels inside?
Good Eye! It is Lego 12L Axle with a Lego wheel/tire combo that we use. They are the perfect dimensions, and amazing quality control. And we purchase these parts second-hand to not only save on cost, but eliminate waste.
I wish Konami would do this in the actual video games
Sometimes it feels like it doesnt actually shuffle.
I basically explain this to new players by explaining how Apple figured out the shuffle feature wasnt "working" for their customers back during the 3rd-ish generation of iPods. Because it had "truly" random suffling, if you only had like 5 albums on it, sometimes, it would "shuffle" and play two songs from the same album, right after each other, exactly as ordered on the album chart. Obviously, this is truly random. The chance those same two songs will appear next to each other after being reshuffled is very low. But to us humans, this does not seem as "random" as having alternating tracks, without having two tracks from the same album, back to back.
Which basically explains modern vidya game deck shuffling. Its truly random. It isnt trying to give you card variety. If you have 6 cards at the top of your deck, 3 copies of two named cards each...dont be surprised if you topdeck all 6 copies of those 2 cards one day. Because that would be so random! And that randomness is what takes away from the illusion that youre not actually playing with physical paper cards, where topdecking 3x of a single named card is genuinely almost never going to happen.
If it tried to give you 'card variety' it wouldn't be a truly fair shuffle. The way apple's shuffle works is fine and good for music, but not for a game where a well-shuffled deck is part of the rules. A deck is considered shuffled once the person shuffling it has no way of knowing what order the cards could be in. If we had a music shuffle for a card deck there would always be an amount of predictability, and people would innevitably find ways to build decks to bias for the cards they want to shuffled to the top by the algorithm more often than cards they want to see less.
@@kriegsblade7094 >people would find ways to make the algorithm topdeck the cards they want
That's already what happens. And it's an issue. There are cards you cannot run 3 of in decks on virtual card games because of the possibility that you'll draw all 3. This simply does not happen with decks IRL due to the end game board (and graveyard/banished) being scooped up into a pile, combined with the deck, then shuffled. Your big boss monsters will never kiss. We dont shuffle decks as thoroughly as casino dealers in locals. Well, most people don't. You dont want to be rough with another person's deck even in sleeves. Thats why 99% of people just cut the deck multiple times instead of thoroughly shuffling them.
Cool, it takes 10 times as long to shuffle now. Woopie
Holy shit, take my money
These are $119 for anyone interested.
If its putting 1 card from one pile, then 1 card from the other, and repeating... is that actually shuffling?
Meaning...isnt there a big chance that if we do this procedure twice, the deck would finish in the same position? Got me wondering. Would love to have my hands on one just to actually check the maths behind this type of shuffle
Nope, think it through again. If you're taking the top and bottom half, then the middle card is now towards the top or bottom. It would take ages to undo it by repeating the shuffle.
It pulls 1-2 cards from each side at a time. This is functionally the same as splitting the deck and side shuffling them together. Splitting the deck again and running it through a second time does not undo it, it is going to provide even more randomization.
.stl?
Can this handle Battle if Wits decks? 😂
Not quite! It comfortably holds 100 cards. Our "XL" version for 100 double-sleeved cards can manage ~140 single-sleeved cards. Maybe if you wanted a custom "XXXL" version we could scale it up to 200 for you!
basically a hnad crank riffle shuffler too bad true randomness still requires 6 plus shuffles, but this would still be faster
there is no way this is worth $250, when I can get one for $10, the only issue with the $10 one is that sleeved cards won't fit.
Pro-fits WILL fit, dragonshield unfortunately won't, I can confirm
If it could do it multiple times it would be cool. But I can just do a quick mash or riffle shuffle in 5 seconds without having to carry this thing around.
How to get the stl?
Sorry, we do not currently offer the STL files for our shufflers. But we do have a Black Friday / Small Business Saturday sale going on right now!
these are 163 bucks usd.. thats alot ..
We start at $119.99 plus tax and shipping.
Seems like a really good way for me to lose about 3 grand
Does I work with double sleeves? Lot of side contact, I'd be worried.
Yep! Double-sleeves work fine.
Looks like a faro shuffle to me.
it is. but the fancy this is that you do it with a machine, thats the point of this video ;-)
Cheat device. This doesn't randomize at all.
$120 is *far* too much.
$120 ?? Are you out your damn mind?
Yeah...no...
🤨
Whack
OR, shuffle with hands like a normal human?
Ableist take. Not everyone can shuffle with their hands.
Pretty...not useful. They are not made for sleeved cards, you need to know the right number of cards and it's very lousy.....same design for the last 20 years (now you need to shuffle them manually too)
Not to mention the risk of mashing cards together and damaging them, probably the reason they're not as popular as they could be
These are actually designed specifically for sleeved cards ;) And in all of our testing, we have never seen it damage a card.
Anyone who'd send their deck through this is completely unhinged
jon deck. based
Great catch there! ;) It's fun. Doesn't win much, but it's fun.