That part of the Egyptian prince has to do wih the fact that his wife (who killed him) was the mistress of the Prince of Wales and the Royal family got her aquitted to avoid scandal. But how this fits in with the other storyline I do not know.
This story does not progress in an orderly fashion. There seem to be quite a few pieces of information missing. Are we assumed to know who these people are and their backgrounds? Also the photos. The photos are of what? Of whom? We just see random photos of who knows what on the screen. Who are they? Where are they? What is their relevance to this story? Was this an attempt at condensing a much longer documentary? Then, suddenly, we are looking at photos of the future king of England's consort and her Egyptian husband. Out of the blue, with no explanation, no introduction. For those who do not know that story that must be very confusing. I would like to see your editing improve so that the story you tell flows smoothly. Thank you
The Riuth Ellis Case . She was hamhed for murdering race car driver David Blakely in 1955 in a fit of rage . Blakely was physically abusive ,and Ellis had enuff ,and so shot him;hence she was the last female hanged I'm Great Britain.
This murder maps series is CRAZY! Right up my alley for real. All have been put together and presented wonderfully. Shout out to all responsible for this project. For me there’s nothing better on RUclips regarding true crime. BRAVO BRAVO 👏🏽 🙌🏽
This actually a TV show- the channel has added some material of their own to enhance it. In fact they messed up a little in this one as the audio and relevant information is missing in a couple of spots and their editing made the timeline very unclear once or twice.
@@annehelenegroven Same here 🙌🏽! I also follow They Got Away with murder... His art, his books, story telling, research, intelligence is Rock Solid 👌🏽 On point 4 sure 😊!!!
There are many wonderful photographs and relevant film clips of the era that were used to enhance this episode, and thank you for them. Your writers however, really did need to offer some narration in explanation of the sensationalist news climate of the times, and the attitudes of the public in regard to certain persons getting away with literal murder in order to spare the Crown an embarrassment. They did alright setting up the changes of women's roles in society, but if one is not a student of history, or if they missed the prior few episodes leading up and explaining how society and attitudes were changing from 30 -40 years previous; they might find themselves lost to the significance of how another sensational spouse-murder in the news and how it was handled, changed the way the death penalty was handed down going forward.
lots of the audio is missing. Ive seen this actual series on TV. what they've done is taken a TV show, chopped it up, and uploaded it here as their own...thievery at its finest.
What an swesome documentary. I love hearing the narrator speak. This makes me want to ready more about murders that happened during that time as well during the Victorian era
The 20's didn't roar in London, England, it only shouted and that wasn't even loud. The 20's roared in America, and did its most roaring in Chicago and the Prohibition era. Actually it was the Thompson machine gun that roared the loudest. You need not call Jack the Ripper but Jack the Slipper, because you never caught him.
Looking at the way the USA was in the 20's wasn't roaring it was just dangerous, people murdered because of booze, or lack of it. Jack the Ripper wasn't around in the 20's so I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to mention him!
You would think 🤔 after dating Percy for 6 years she'd at least know about their compatibility. She had to know he's cowardly, boring, slacker? She knew the social consequences of divorce; Thereby condemning her to an unfulfilling life that led to poor decisions then ultimately murder. Why marry Percy?
Simply, a woman without a husband was considered defective. Once married, it really wasn't the done thing to question one's husband. You can say it was the times, but I have known a number of women and men who really didn't know the truth about their dpousrs even after years of marriage You only have to read the accounts of most serial killers to realise that!
They were both on the same social class and would have had the same types of friends. People especially back then always married people of the same class and public standing. As friends they probably got on really well but as lovers a different story and they wouldnt have known their incompatability until they marred as back then most people were virgins when they married
BBC Series Murder, Mystery & My Family investigated whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was "unsafe".
Law of common purpose. If Bywaters had had the sense to destroy her letters to him she would probably not have hung. They were the only real thing connecting her to the murder.
And look at what was won women can fornicate commit adultery have children not be married or made to feel ashamed.. RIGHTEOUSNESS EXALTS A NATION SIN IS A REPROACH TO ANY PEOPLE. OUR NATION IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THESE EVIL GAINS . No one will mock GOD AND get away with it IF THEY DON'T REPENT.
@@Hartley_Hare Thank you Richard I do my just diligence to LOVE GOD AND MY NEARBY /NEIGHBOR AS myself. And to encourage people to what is right so they can reap good rewards. The truth hurts some times. BUT IT IS THE HURT THAT HELPS.
@@anthonyhudson3136 No it isn't, It was Queen Victoria's grandson The Duke of Clarence that some people thought was Jack the Ripper, The Prince of Wales wasn't born at the time of the ripper murders. It was also proved that the ripper wasn't the Duke of Clarence because he wasn't even in London at the time of most of the ripper murders.
The execution of Edith Thompson was disgusting. If the cases of Timpothy Evans and Derek Bentley don't make you oppose the death penalty, this case should. The abuse of capital punishment, not as a "deterrent", but to 'teach people a lesson' is so easily done.
The case was featured in Murder, Mystery, and My Family, (S1 E5 with barristers investigating whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was unsafe.
@@arianbyw3819 She suffered a massive vaginal haemorrhage but they also think she might have been pregnant beside she gained quite a bit of weight even though she wasn't eating.
She was a narcissistic, immoral, and manipulaive person. Her infidelity directly led to the death of her husband. She and Freddy both deserved execution. Not to deter that behavior in others, but as a consequence of their actions. If the roles were reversed, and her husband had been cheating, and his mistress had killed Edith, every one of you would be singing a different tune. Being a woman doesn't absolve you of culpability.
That's what I thought too. Freddy was only 20 years old. What a wast. If this had happened in France, it would have been a crime of passion. But truly sad case
Hmm I think it could count as "conspiracy to commit murder" or "incitement to murder"? Plus, what evidence do we have that she didn't mean what she was writing and that it was all just fantasies. Her letters? Her words? Not very reliable imo
Because she manipulated a young man who she knew loved her by constantly telling him she wanted her husband dead. Why would she constantly tell this young man this and not think he would try to rescue her. He already stood up for her when the husband pushed her. She could have left the husband. She was a troll up extradinare she brought her lover to her house what a disrespect person she was to bring her lover in her husbands presence like that. At the beginning of the video it said she enjoyed the company of men and women she was a perverted woman. To bad the husband didn't get rid of her I am sure he could have met someone who would have loved and respected him. She wanted to jump in the bed with others but did not want to be with her husband. Also brought her lover in and paid him? She got what she deserved. She could have left her husband and went on her nasty way.
@@estherkeeling777 ok then she must be guilty in your view because you believe this young intelligent man was not smart enough to understand the consequences of his actions? Wanting someone dead is very different from actually killing someone. So she coerced him, sure, happens all the time but he chose to actually murder someone. She should have been punished as a partner in crime but not the death penalty.
@@estherkeeling777 a Murder, Mystery & my Family documentary had a forensic psychologist analyse her letters. She said Edith lived in a romantic fantasy world & showed no actual intent. Also , the autopsy on the husband found no poison or ground glass in his body. And at the murder she was overheard by passers by screaming "no, don't, no don't". There was also evidence that on more than one occasion, her husband had hit her & Freddy had words with him .
What I notice when looking at the real Edith Thompson’s photos is how different she looks in each one, almost like a completely different woman in each pic. Rather odd For me it was the things she said to the police that left no doubt she was guilty. First, she said he simply hit his head and there was no attacker, despite a massive pool of blood covering the sidewalk. I saw the pictures of the sidewalk and they are heartbreaking. It was only after she was confronted with the letters did she come clean.
Thank you. Such quality. I really enjoyed it. I have a request. I'd love to see more done this well about the ordinary people at the time. They can't all have been rich! Once again, thank you.
This is a TV show that the channel has added some material to, to enhance it. If you look up the original series you might find what you are looking for..
The 1 person who is always forgotten about in this case is Percy Thompson the man brutally murdered in cold blood. It's always about her and the " injustice" she experienced rather than her husband.
Her letters to her lover help to get rid of her husband she is the one that help to push her lover to kill her husband this is like the teacher in America who keeps telling this 16 year old how her husband was being abusive to her while sleeping with the child he plans with friends kill her husband then she said o i did not know he would kill my husband when she keeps pounding abuse by her husband to the child
Adultery is still a crime in some countries and was a crime in the US previously. www.legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-1140-decriminalization-of-adultery-in-india.html
Her letters spelled out the intent and conspiracy, that’s what got her hung: plotting methods and encouraging her lover to kill her husband. That would suffice a conviction today as well. So there’s that...
The case of Edith Thompson was featured in Murder, Mystery, and My Family, S1 E5 with barristers investigating whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was unsafe.
Good portrayal of the atmosphere of the era. Amazing to think that a hundred years ago husbands could do whatever violence in public and it wasn’t proper to intervene. The cop here is deciding she must be having a torrid affair; just because another man “intervened “.
@@rwentfordable can you please make a credible citations that supports that statement? Lets be honest the British haven’t historically been great when it comes to being justice.
Did Freddie not tell the police Edith had nothing to do with his actions or does he literally just allow her life to be taken 🙄 knowing he decided to kill him on his own... Totally enjoyed every second of this video. Murder Maps is one of the best TC shows out there..... Everything so nicely done....
From what I hear he was quite brave in court and tried to protect her by taking the blame. I believe the authorities searched his locker on the ship and discovered the letters.
@@john1v6 😏 awesome. Yes that was brave of him. I've since learned more about their story. I believe when Edith tried protecting Freddie by pretending she didn't see the man who attacked her husband was her downfall... Unfortunately.
I don’t believe she was entirely innocent but I also don’t believe she deserved the death penalty. Honestly I don’t believe fred deserved the death penalty either, at most life in prison but even then I feel that is a little extreme for the circumstances. Personally I believe the death sentence (if legal at all) should only be for those who commit the most heinous of acts and crimes, not that murder isn’t heinous, but I’m talking more serial murder. Really horrid shit. If there’s a chance someone can be reformed, I believe it should be attempted, unless the act is so unspeakably horrible that a second chance is not deserved
This is too coincidental that she is unhappy, loathsome and has a lover and then Fred just randomly decides to kill Percy in such a convenient location after a scheduled date 🤔. Come people she's complicit. More so covering up for him. Her letters proved pre meditation. No one fantasizes about murder esp of someone so close and writes so vividly of it.
@@SparkleKnits But might have ? is not fact and still makes the evidence against her circumstantial .Freddie killed Percy in the heat of the moment after having a few drinks in a nearby pub he crouched behind a bush in a street in a built up area . He jumped out and attacked Freddie and Edith was heard screaming NO NO NO DONT DO IT by witnesses also friends of theirs at the theatre that night said that Edith and Percy were getting on really well that night and that there was no way she had murder in mind . None of these witnesses were called to give evidence in Edith defence . Neither was the fact that 22 year old Freddie was willing to hang but insisted until the end that he had acted alone and that Edith s letters were just fantasy . Her downfall was when she ran to get help she said to the police she did not see Percys attacker when she got to the police station they had already picked Freddie up for trying to flee the area .it was here that she broke down and cried I DIDNT MEAN HIM TO DO THIS or words to this effect . She was in shock and couldnt get her act together . If this had been a planned murder she would have discussed it face to face with Freddie and not wrote it in letters and even if she did she would of insisted that all the letters were burnt beforehand . Also if she had planned the murder she would have made sure she was not present and there for could have made up a better alibi . Also why kill Percy in her own neighbourhood which was very built up and why not somewhere more secluded . It could easily be traced to her near her own home. Also why not make the attack look like a mugging so that Percy had a watch or wallet missing . This was not a planned attack far from it Edith was an intelligent woman she would have planned something better than that and where she had an alibi. Whether you think she was guilty or not she had a very rushed and unfair trial that even in its day did not fit well and today is believed unsafe by todays prosecution and judges. Edith had an old school old man judge who believed a woman who was capable of adultery was capable of anything . Edith was a modern woman she worked hard she smoked had her hair bobbed and liked dancehalls and dared have an affair. She was hanged because of the morals of the time. If i had been on the jury back then i wouldnt have been satisfied with the evidence against her and i would have liked to have seen her being given the benefit of the doubt.
@@caroll3309 BBC Series Murder, Mystery & My Family investigated, on behalf of some of her relatives, whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was "unsafe".
Feel bad, first and foremost, for Percy. Then the 18 year old. While I feel bad for her dying, I do think she is primarily responsible for the downfall of both men.
Rape, incest, (pedophiles) are hate crimes. People knew this over two thousand years ago. There should never have been a statute of limitations on reporting, indicting and prosecuting any of these crimes. The military is an example of disregarding reports.
One thing that bothers me in this documentary is that a woman says that a man is cowardly just because he doesn't want to fight in a war. Personally I find it more cowardly if you do go and fight, against your own principles. It's just something that really bothered me. Not so much about the guy in this documentary, but in general. For the rest these documentaries are fantastic.
Percy boasted about getting out of serving in the war which was not the right thing to do when in 1922 four years after the war there were so many badly damaged men who did fight and so many ended up badly disfigured and crippled etc even shell shocked and those who even ended up insane. Yes its brave to stand up and condemn war an protest against the slaughter men went to prison for this ,but this was not what Percy did he was just looking out for himself and saw him self as smarter
@@caroll3309 If you read what I said correctly, you will see that I mention that I'm not talking about the guy in this documentary, but in general. But that woman's remark was in general, not just about that guy.
@@guntherhuyghe OK- I admit I did not go back to video to see the actual comment, which is my bad- so I’m going go with what you’re saying on that. However, I respectfully must agree with your main point (original comment). I think it depends on each person’s intentions. Some are honest and true about their conscientious objections, while others will find any reason to avoid going to war.
I really enjoy all the reenactments & historical analysis, but you kind of lost me between 39:49 and 41:43. What's this about a prostitute marrying an Egyptian millionaire, and the Royal Family being involved? I don't really understand how that relates to the rest of the episode.
Yes- same issue as you. I even rolled the video back to see if I had missed something. A few commenters noted that some of the narration is missing, which I suspect is the root of the confusion.
@@yesterdayitrained Someone in the comments clears up the confusion. I can't recall the details but if are inclined you could find it. Something about the woman being the mistress of the prince of Wales so the royal family had her acquitted? This channel really did a number on this particular episode. Usually their additions and re-editing don't detract too much from the original series but this one was a travesty of editing.
You don't need to wait- you can look them up. It's actually a TV show that the channel has re-edited and added some footage to. Not terribly well in this case.
Why do they always defend the prostitute? I hate a divorced man, but she won't do that. She wants his money and his house, but she doesn't want her husband.
It's a TV show, so you can look up all the episodes if you like- I'm sure you can find them somewhere, and not so poorly edited either. This channel basically stole it, added some stuff and presented it as their own work.
For one to call another a coward taking care of another did she do anything to help herself or the family affair no she was looking for what was better for her and when somebody better would come around goodbye Freddie then he was a boy and no matter what she killed
Hello she killed her husband I don’t believe none of the abuse many of these women who kill is for money and a man so u sound stupid asking why she should be convinced what is wrong with u lsten she could of divorce him she had many letters talking about killing innocent she not she should be jail plus she lied all about greed not abuse which I believe they mad up
@@lovelife7278 Edith was the one who earnt the most money and women getting a divorce was almost impossible then and if she did sue for divorce she would have lost everything even though her husband did knock her about and she mainly paid for the house. She also did not kill her husband Percy ,Freddie killed him . I think you should really apologise to the people you keep calling stupid on here especially when their opinions are right and yours are wrong
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?
1922 - London - A mysterious death - Edith Thompson and Percy were a couple but Percy was not adventurous like Edith but after the two married things changed and Edith was restless and met a man named Freddie and the two liked each other but who killed her husband Percy ? Edith had nothing to do with her husband’s murder it was a fit of jealousy of her lover that killed her husband! The only fault is Judith had the seven year itch in her downstairs department but she did not deserve the punishment she was given!
She wanted him died what ur not listen she wrote about killing husband many about poison so I doubt she innocent I doubt she didn’t no so u sound stupid
@@lovelife7278 If she had planned his death she would not have wrote about it in letters and she would have made sure he destroyed them before the deed was carried out. And even so writing about wishing someone dead in letters was not even back then a death sentence offence she did not wield the knife and she was heard by witnesses saying NO DONT DO IT. Edith was hanged by the morals of the time the old school judge was against her adulterous behaviour knowing she was not guilty of murder. This case is not safe in todays law and Edith was wrongfully hanged
Shows how times have changed. This lady got shafted for cheating on her husband.... Today...women are encouraged to cheat on "boring" husbands. Brilliant humans 😂😂😂 Absolutely brilliant....
A petition of reprieve of hanging for Frederick, with an unprecedented number of signatures, was garnered. However, there was not a petition for Edith, although her culpability, IMO, was not beyond a shadow of a doubt. Perhaps the judge's prejudicial opinion of her that he shared at trial swayed public opinion. This is certainly an interesting historical case in light of changes in the lifestyles of women during this time period.
Is it just me or does it seem some commentary dialogue is missing in this particular episode?
Just what I was thinking.
I just make up my own 😂😂
That part of the Egyptian prince has to do wih the fact that his wife (who killed him) was the mistress of the Prince of Wales and the Royal family got her aquitted to avoid scandal. But how this fits in with the other storyline I do not know.
This story does not progress in an orderly fashion. There seem to be quite a few pieces of information missing. Are we assumed to know who these people are and their backgrounds? Also the photos. The photos are of what? Of whom? We just see random photos of who knows what on the screen. Who are they? Where are they? What is their relevance to this story? Was this an attempt at condensing a much longer documentary? Then, suddenly, we are looking at photos of the future king of England's consort and her Egyptian husband. Out of the blue, with no explanation, no introduction. For those who do not know that story that must be very confusing. I would like to see your editing improve so that the story you tell flows smoothly. Thank you
@@roden70 yes, thank you for the explanation! I was sure something was wrong.
Not the first time adultery or a love triangle leads to murder.
Or the last either
The Riuth Ellis Case . She was hamhed for murdering race car driver David Blakely in 1955 in a fit of rage . Blakely was physically abusive ,and Ellis had enuff ,and so shot him;hence she was the last female hanged I'm Great Britain.
This murder maps series is CRAZY! Right up my alley for real. All have been put together and presented wonderfully.
Shout out to all responsible for this project. For me there’s nothing better on RUclips regarding true crime.
BRAVO BRAVO 👏🏽 🙌🏽
You’ll love ‘They got away with murder’ - historical true crime superbly researched and really well told…
Yes me too. I just love these vintage cases. I also follow " They got away with murder" great content 👏👏😃😃
This actually a TV show- the channel has added some material of their own to enhance it. In fact they messed up a little in this one as the audio and relevant information is missing in a couple of spots and their editing made the timeline very unclear once or twice.
@@annehelenegroven Same here 🙌🏽! I also follow They Got Away with murder... His art, his books, story telling, research, intelligence is Rock Solid 👌🏽 On point 4 sure 😊!!!
There are many wonderful photographs and relevant film clips of the era that were used to enhance this episode, and thank you for them.
Your writers however, really did need to offer some narration in explanation of the sensationalist news climate of the times, and the attitudes of the public in regard to certain persons getting away with literal murder in order to spare the Crown an embarrassment. They did alright setting up the changes of women's roles in society, but if one is not a student of history, or if they missed the prior few episodes leading up and explaining how society and attitudes were changing from 30 -40 years previous; they might find themselves lost to the significance of how another sensational spouse-murder in the news and how it was handled, changed the way the death penalty was handed down going forward.
I absolutely love this series, but it feels like some audio is missing, some of the narrator's parts.
I suspect that the narrative has been ' tampered with' to get the video past the copyright.
lots of the audio is missing. Ive seen this actual series on TV. what they've done is taken a TV show, chopped it up, and uploaded it here as their own...thievery at its finest.
@D its not "how its made". its from a TV series called "murder maps". just people stealing other peoples work.
@@einna420 thanks .. I’ll try to find the original.
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What an swesome documentary. I love hearing the narrator speak. This makes me want to ready more about murders that happened during that time as well during the Victorian era
This took place post-Victorian era.... (it was the Edwardian era).....
Who cares! back in the old days ppl got killed like flies for next to nothing
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
The 20's didn't roar in London, England, it only shouted and that wasn't even loud.
The 20's roared in America, and did its most roaring in Chicago and the Prohibition era. Actually it was the Thompson machine gun that roared the loudest.
You need not call Jack the Ripper but Jack the Slipper, because you never caught him.
Looking at the way the USA was in the 20's wasn't roaring it was just dangerous, people murdered because of booze, or lack of it. Jack the Ripper wasn't around in the 20's so I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to mention him!
@@elainekent7026 I don't know why I mentioned Jack the Ripper either, I was just having fun. I wasn't around in the 20's either.
Arnold Rothstiem (Steen) that got the illicit drugs ;is:heroin ,cocaine moving in this US of A.
@Hope Fliers Hey., It ended in a hanging . Maybe the 2 lovers were into auto - erotic sex ? LOL.
How ironic ; an Edith Thompson was hanged early 1/1923 , and the "Thompson Machine Gun " was shooting up a storm during "Roaring 20s" .
You would think 🤔 after dating Percy for 6 years she'd at least know about their compatibility. She had to know he's cowardly, boring, slacker? She knew the social consequences of divorce; Thereby condemning her to an unfulfilling life that led to poor decisions then ultimately murder. Why marry Percy?
Simply, a woman without a husband was considered defective. Once married, it really wasn't the done thing to question one's husband. You can say it was the times, but I have known a number of women and men who really didn't know the truth about their dpousrs even after years of marriage
You only have to read the accounts of most serial killers to realise that!
They were both on the same social class and would have had the same types of friends. People especially back then always married people of the same class and public standing. As friends they probably got on really well but as lovers a different story and they wouldnt have known their incompatability until they marred as back then most people were virgins when they married
Women weren't even allowed to legally own property until 1926. Back then you needed a husband to survive.
He’s rich and of a high social status. Same reason women marry today.
@@coldchillin8382....things incels tell themselves
The mystery of the missing narrator...
Replay without these interruptions
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She's described as a really smart person yet did she really think the police can't tell when somebody has been severely assaulted and stabbed?
That alone should say that this was not a murder case.
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She didnt realise he had been stabbed - she thought they were fighting with their hands.
@@rosiebottom3870she saw the blood and it covered the sidewalk. I saw the pictures. There is no possible way she didn’t know he was stabbed.
But I don't think she deserved to be charged in my opinion
Why?
BBC Series Murder, Mystery & My Family investigated whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was "unsafe".
Law of common purpose. If Bywaters had had the sense to destroy her letters to him she would probably not have hung. They were the only real thing connecting her to the murder.
@@Soulcatcher30 because nobody should be executed for adultery.
Almost? Lol, tomorrow will be 100 years, how cool I decided to watch it tonight, of all nights 12/9/2022 and this happened 12/10/1922
The real horror in this is how wo men were treatred. As a child of the early 60's THIS is why we fought so hard against the shackles of society.
And look at what was won women can fornicate commit adultery have children not be married or made to feel ashamed.. RIGHTEOUSNESS EXALTS A NATION SIN IS A REPROACH TO ANY PEOPLE. OUR NATION IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THESE EVIL GAINS . No one will mock GOD AND get away with it IF THEY DON'T REPENT.
@@Hartley_Hare Thank you Richard I do my just diligence to LOVE GOD AND MY NEARBY /NEIGHBOR AS myself. And to encourage people to what is right so they can reap good rewards. The truth hurts some times. BUT IT IS THE HURT THAT HELPS.
@@Hartley_Hare Heh heh heh
I don't understand. I'm a child of the early 60's (actually born in 1960). What shackles of society did we have to fight hard against?
@@estherkeeling777 More tin foil required sweetie. Build that hat
Curious mix up on this video ...what's the prince of wales bit ?
it is one theory he was jack the ripper.
He had an affair with that Marguerite that married Prince Famy. She had letters that she used to blackmail him if he didn't help her case.
@@anthonyhudson3136 No it isn't, It was Queen Victoria's grandson The Duke of Clarence that some people thought was Jack the Ripper, The Prince of Wales wasn't born at the time of the ripper murders. It was also proved that the ripper wasn't the Duke of Clarence because he wasn't even in London at the time of most of the ripper murders.
The execution of Edith Thompson was disgusting. If the cases of Timpothy Evans and Derek Bentley don't make you oppose the death penalty, this case should. The abuse of capital punishment, not as a "deterrent", but to 'teach people a lesson' is so easily done.
Yes. Also, when she was hanged, her undergarments filled with blood. That was hushed yp, but was probably a miscarriage. So someone innocent died
The case was featured in Murder, Mystery, and My Family, (S1 E5 with barristers investigating whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was unsafe.
@@arianbyw3819 She suffered a massive vaginal haemorrhage but they also think she might have been pregnant beside she gained quite a bit of weight even though she wasn't eating.
@@chitownangel16 yes, I know. Sad wasn't it?
She was a narcissistic, immoral, and manipulaive person. Her infidelity directly led to the death of her husband. She and Freddy both deserved execution. Not to deter that behavior in others, but as a consequence of their actions. If the roles were reversed, and her husband had been cheating, and his mistress had killed Edith, every one of you would be singing a different tune. Being a woman doesn't absolve you of culpability.
I used to live over by Ilford...I definitely wouldn't move back.
Why was she charged? She may have wanted him dead but she didn't do it.
That's what I thought too. Freddy was only 20 years old. What a wast. If this had happened in France, it would have been a crime of passion. But truly sad case
Hmm I think it could count as "conspiracy to commit murder" or "incitement to murder"? Plus, what evidence do we have that she didn't mean what she was writing and that it was all just fantasies. Her letters? Her words? Not very reliable imo
Because she manipulated a young man who she knew loved her by constantly telling him she wanted her husband dead. Why would she constantly tell this young man this and not think he would try to rescue her. He already stood up for her when the husband pushed her. She could have left the husband. She was a troll up extradinare she brought her lover to her house what a disrespect person she was to bring her lover in her husbands presence like that. At the beginning of the video it said she enjoyed the company of men and women she was a perverted woman. To bad the husband didn't get rid of her I am sure he could have met someone who would have loved and respected him. She wanted to jump in the bed with others but did not want to be with her husband. Also brought her lover in and paid him? She got what she deserved. She could have left her husband and went on her nasty way.
@@estherkeeling777 ok then she must be guilty in your view because you believe this young intelligent man was not smart enough to understand the consequences of his actions? Wanting someone dead is very different from actually killing someone. So she coerced him, sure, happens all the time but he chose to actually murder someone. She should have been punished as a partner in crime but not the death penalty.
@@estherkeeling777 a Murder, Mystery & my Family documentary had a forensic psychologist analyse her letters. She said Edith lived in a romantic fantasy world & showed no actual intent. Also , the autopsy on the husband found no poison or ground glass in his body. And at the murder she was overheard by passers by screaming "no, don't, no don't". There was also evidence that on more than one occasion, her husband had hit her & Freddy had words with him .
I love this narration and acting and the whole production, really.
The high production values are because this is a TV show. The channel has taken added some photos and footage to enhance it.
Fascinating cases but for me, the background music is so irritating. It's hard to hear the narrative, which isn't always that good.
What was the relevance of the piece about the farmier murder? Felt a bit disjointed. I do love this format though.
My thoughts exactly
Awesome series. I wish there's a lot more of these.
Thank you :)
Awe the hangman even didn't want to do it😔
lol ok
What I notice when looking at the real Edith Thompson’s photos is how different she looks in each one, almost like a completely different woman in each pic. Rather odd
For me it was the things she said to the police that left no doubt she was guilty. First, she said he simply hit his head and there was no attacker, despite a massive pool of blood covering the sidewalk. I saw the pictures of the sidewalk and they are heartbreaking. It was only after she was confronted with the letters did she come clean.
Thank you. Such quality. I really enjoyed it.
I have a request. I'd love to see more done this well about the ordinary people at the time. They can't all have been rich!
Once again, thank you.
This is a TV show that the channel has added some material to, to enhance it. If you look up the original series you might find what you are looking for..
@@homo.incurvatus - Thank you.
@@loritracy1385 you're entirely welcome
Channel called Fact Feast maybe what you're looking for
@AS-qg1xu -Thank you 😊
She did not deserve desth. But Freddy did. She was effectly framed.
That's just ignorant, all she had to say is it was some man that she didn't recognize
The 1 person who is always forgotten about in this case is Percy Thompson the man brutally murdered in cold blood. It's always about her and the " injustice" she experienced rather than her husband.
@ 4:24 That topper on Lloyd George deserves recognition for sure...
Her letters to her lover help to get rid of her husband she is the one that help to push her lover to kill her husband this is like the teacher in America who keeps telling this 16 year old how her husband was being abusive to her while sleeping with the child he plans with friends kill her husband then she said o i did not know he would kill my husband when she keeps pounding abuse by her husband to the child
The actors are good
The opening definitely grabs your Attention! Nicko's is Excellent!
SO she was Hung for having an Adulterous relationship...Never heard of that being a Crime in any Country 🙈🙉🙊 😐
Adultery is still a crime in some countries and was a crime in the US previously.
www.legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-1140-decriminalization-of-adultery-in-india.html
Brunei is introducing strict new Islamic laws that make anal sex and adultery offenses punishable by stoning to death. 2019
Her letters spelled out the intent and conspiracy, that’s what got her hung: plotting methods and encouraging her lover to kill her husband. That would suffice a conviction today as well.
So there’s that...
Hanged
@@andrewtozer9578 it's not Hanged lol
This series is so well acted. I wish Investigation Discovery would take a lesson from this on their American crime series.
Edith Thompson was executed for committing the 6th Commandment rather than the 5th
Freddie, the seafarer, was untanned.
she totally deserved the fate she had
The case of Edith Thompson was featured in Murder, Mystery, and My Family, S1 E5 with barristers investigating whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was unsafe.
Murder, Mystery and My Family | E5
ruclips.net/video/TzIK4n5debA/видео.html
For writing letters? Ok dude lol... Glad most of the 21st century disagrees with you.
no she didn't
No narration during long periods of flashing photos is quite boring.
Being bored isn't a bad thing..don't need constant stimulus
Good portrayal of the atmosphere of the era. Amazing to think that a hundred years ago husbands could do whatever violence in public and it wasn’t proper to intervene. The cop here is deciding she must be having a torrid affair; just because another man “intervened “.
Detective is the wonderful Clive,what a great actor he is.really enjoyed watching this .Regards Mark Dooris
The end segment of this was a mess. Not sure what the heck the Madame/Prince case has to do with the subject of this vid...
The biggest mystery is why she married him in the 1st place. No shade.
“British justice” because the British are synonyms with equality.
English common law is used in one-third of the world for a reason.
@@rwentfordable can you please make a credible citations that supports that statement?
Lets be honest the British haven’t historically been great when it comes to being justice.
38:37 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This dude really needs to grow himself some lips how is one even able to talk
Did Freddie not tell the police Edith had nothing to do with his actions or does he literally just allow her life to be taken 🙄 knowing he decided to kill him on his own... Totally enjoyed every second of this video. Murder Maps is one of the best TC shows out there..... Everything so nicely done....
From what I hear he was quite brave in court and tried to protect her by taking the blame. I believe the authorities searched his locker on the ship and discovered the letters.
@@john1v6 😏 awesome. Yes that was brave of him. I've since learned more about their story. I believe when Edith tried protecting Freddie by pretending she didn't see the man who attacked her husband was her downfall... Unfortunately.
I don’t believe she was entirely innocent but I also don’t believe she deserved the death penalty. Honestly I don’t believe fred deserved the death penalty either, at most life in prison but even then I feel that is a little extreme for the circumstances. Personally I believe the death sentence (if legal at all) should only be for those who commit the most heinous of acts and crimes, not that murder isn’t heinous, but I’m talking more serial murder. Really horrid shit. If there’s a chance someone can be reformed, I believe it should be attempted, unless the act is so unspeakably horrible that a second chance is not deserved
bro you don't even make sense
THESE O’s Ain’t loyal!
That flapper is for the scraper
Its a new video wtf. Watching since 5min and only saw it now
This is too coincidental that she is unhappy, loathsome and has a lover and then Fred just randomly decides to kill Percy in such a convenient location after a scheduled date 🤔. Come people she's complicit. More so covering up for him.
Her letters proved pre meditation. No one fantasizes about murder esp of someone so close and writes so vividly of it.
if she had planned murder she would not have wrote about doing it in a letter.
@@caroll3309 She might have instructed Freddie to burn his letters, as she did, and he chose not to, for whatever reason.
@@SparkleKnits But might have ? is not fact and still makes the evidence against her circumstantial .Freddie killed Percy in the heat of the moment after having a few drinks in a nearby pub he crouched behind a bush in a street in a built up area . He jumped out and attacked Freddie and Edith was heard screaming NO NO NO DONT DO IT by witnesses also friends of theirs at the theatre that night said that Edith and Percy were getting on really well that night and that there was no way she had murder in mind . None of these witnesses were called to give evidence in Edith defence . Neither was the fact that 22 year old Freddie was willing to hang but insisted until the end that he had acted alone and that Edith s letters were just fantasy .
Her downfall was when she ran to get help she said to the police she did not see Percys attacker when she got to the police station they had already picked Freddie up for trying to flee the area .it was here that she broke down and cried I DIDNT MEAN HIM TO DO THIS or words to this effect . She was in shock and couldnt get her act together .
If this had been a planned murder she would have discussed it face to face with Freddie and not wrote it in letters and even if she did she would of insisted that all the letters were burnt beforehand .
Also if she had planned the murder she would have made sure she was not present and there for could have made up a better alibi .
Also why kill Percy in her own neighbourhood which was very built up and why not somewhere more secluded . It could easily be traced to her near her own home.
Also why not make the attack look like a mugging so that Percy had a watch or wallet missing .
This was not a planned attack far from it Edith was an intelligent woman she would have planned something better than that and where she had an alibi.
Whether you think she was guilty or not she had a very rushed and unfair trial that even in its day did not fit well and today is believed unsafe by todays prosecution and judges.
Edith had an old school old man judge who believed a woman who was capable of adultery was capable of anything . Edith was a modern woman she worked hard she smoked had her hair bobbed and liked dancehalls and dared have an affair. She was hanged because of the morals of the time.
If i had been on the jury back then i wouldnt have been satisfied with the evidence against her and i would have liked to have seen her being given the benefit of the doubt.
@@caroll3309 BBC Series Murder, Mystery & My Family investigated, on behalf of some of her relatives, whether Edith Thompson had suffered a miscarriage of justice. Judge David Radford determined that Edith's conviction was "unsafe".
ruclips.net/video/TzIK4n5debA/видео.html Murder, Mystery and My Family | E5
A husband who is a coward has to be a big turn off…
yet she married him anyway
This seems to be lacking dialog for sure, disappointing.
Murdered Oct.3rd charged Oct.5th now that's some quick work
@ 4:35 Me, in my previous lifetime
Feel bad, first and foremost, for Percy. Then the 18 year old.
While I feel bad for her dying, I do think she is primarily responsible for the downfall of both men.
Nope.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who beats their wife. Even once.
Love the bed!!! Crate & Barrel? Restoration Hardware?? If anyone has info, please!
Parker Vector pens did not exist in the 1920's!
Story seems very disjointed 😕
"Immensely attractive" lol People seriously need to stop with the overly generous compliments and descriptions that are just way off and untrue.
Rape, incest, (pedophiles) are hate crimes. People knew this over two thousand years ago. There should never have been a statute of limitations on reporting, indicting and prosecuting any of these crimes. The military is an example of disregarding reports.
???
they're not "hate crimes"... get therapy honey
Just before the end it suddenly changes to another case. Not long after the start some of the narration goes missing.
Tragic. All round.
Capital punishment: a spectator sport.
One thing that bothers me in this documentary is that a woman says that a man is cowardly just because he doesn't want to fight in a war. Personally I find it more cowardly if you do go and fight, against your own principles. It's just something that really bothered me. Not so much about the guy in this documentary, but in general. For the rest these documentaries are fantastic.
Percy boasted about getting out of serving in the war which was not the right thing to do when in 1922 four years after the war there were so many badly damaged men who did fight and so many ended up badly disfigured and crippled etc even shell shocked and those who even ended up insane.
Yes its brave to stand up and condemn war an protest against the slaughter men went to prison for this ,but this was not what Percy did he was just looking out for himself and saw him self as smarter
@@caroll3309 If you read what I said correctly, you will see that I mention that I'm not talking about the guy in this documentary, but in general. But that woman's remark was in general, not just about that guy.
The video uses the word “cowardly” specifically referring to Percy.
@@yesterdayitrained No, not just specifically about him. It's pretty general.
@@guntherhuyghe OK- I admit I did not go back to video to see the actual comment, which is my bad- so I’m going go with what you’re saying on that.
However, I respectfully must agree with your main point (original comment).
I think it depends on each person’s intentions. Some are honest and true about their conscientious objections, while others will find any reason to avoid going to war.
Sad stuff
The films are Amazing, and love the History being told!
They're amazing, but I don't like your random capitalization.
The video"editing" in this episode is atrocious
I’m hundred percent sure she and her lover lying to get sympathy
I really enjoy all the reenactments & historical analysis, but you kind of lost me between 39:49 and 41:43. What's this about a prostitute marrying an Egyptian millionaire, and the Royal Family being involved? I don't really understand how that relates to the rest of the episode.
Yes- same issue as you. I even rolled the video back to see if I had missed something. A few commenters noted that some of the narration is missing, which I suspect is the root of the confusion.
@@yesterdayitrained Someone in the comments clears up the confusion. I can't recall the details but if are inclined you could find it. Something about the woman being the mistress of the prince of Wales so the royal family had her acquitted? This channel really did a number on this particular episode. Usually their additions and re-editing don't detract too much from the original series but this one was a travesty of editing.
3 lives gone
I love this series!!! Can't wait for more!
You don't need to wait- you can look them up. It's actually a TV show that the channel has re-edited and added some footage to. Not terribly well in this case.
This episode is messed up in several ways. The worse one.
The actress playing the "heroine" is a real cutie pie!
Why do they always defend the prostitute? I hate a divorced man, but she won't do that. She wants his money and his house, but she doesn't want her husband.
Actually, she paid for over half of the house, and made more money than he did...
I meant, Nicholas! Sorry!
Me encanta murder maps,please More murder maps🌺
It's a TV show, so you can look up all the episodes if you like- I'm sure you can find them somewhere, and not so poorly edited either. This channel basically stole it, added some stuff and presented it as their own work.
For one to call another a coward taking care of another did she do anything to help herself or the family affair no she was looking for what was better for her and when somebody better would come around goodbye Freddie then he was a boy and no matter what she killed
Are there huge chunks of narration missing? There seem to be.
Why the extended WWII scenes with no narrartion…?
Interesting story but they edited this one super odd..like there’s maybe missing narration? I’d it was confusing at times
I usually love these but the editing is so confusing - random or repeated clips with no audio. What happened?
Charrlie, I liked this, but it would be better in the reenactments if the actors spoke to each other more.
Is this about two cases, or one? It’s a bit confusing.
Wow who knew? SMFH 😱 v
I dont understand how or why Edith was convicted.
Hello she killed her husband I don’t believe none of the abuse many of these women who kill is for money and a man so u sound stupid asking why she should be convinced what is wrong with u lsten she could of divorce him she had many letters talking about killing innocent she not she should be jail plus she lied all about greed not abuse which I believe they mad up
@@lovelife7278 Edith was the one who earnt the most money and women getting a divorce was almost impossible then and if she did sue for divorce she would have lost everything even though her husband did knock her about and she mainly paid for the house.
She also did not kill her husband Percy ,Freddie killed him .
I think you should really apologise to the people you keep calling stupid on here especially when their opinions are right and yours are wrong
Prominent jaw
Sorry, gave up. Too laboured.
One of the Most BS verdict in British history.
I knew five women like this but inAsia.One even became the Prime Minister of a country.
The one woman calls it fantasy but really it was directions what to do and how and like teachers that use their students Freddy was her student
I love the intro
Why the fck is there so much music and less narration. Worst one yet man
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?
Is that the woman who was deaf LMAO
@@BassGirlSusan1961 TURN IT ON AND I'LL GIVE YOU A 60% DISCOUNT !
I apologize to whomever this may offend. But I find this quite boring. It might be due to my ADD. IDK. It just isn't my type of show.
She led Freddie to his death 😢poor boy
I love this series, but this episode is rather boring. Sorry. 🤷
Where is the narration? Weird.
Freddy Bywaters was a handsome devil. I know he was a murderer but nobody's perfect 😉
1922 - London - A mysterious death - Edith Thompson and Percy were a couple but Percy was not adventurous like Edith but after the two married things changed and Edith was restless and met a man named Freddie and the two liked each other but who killed her husband Percy ? Edith had nothing to do with her husband’s murder it was a fit of jealousy of her lover that killed her husband! The only fault is Judith had the seven year itch in her downstairs department but she did not deserve the punishment she was given!
She wanted him died what ur not listen she wrote about killing husband many about poison so I doubt she innocent I doubt she didn’t no so u sound stupid
@@lovelife7278 If she had planned his death she would not have wrote about it in letters and she would have made sure he destroyed them before the deed was carried out.
And even so writing about wishing someone dead in letters was not even back then a death sentence offence she did not wield the knife and she was heard by witnesses saying NO DONT DO IT.
Edith was hanged by the morals of the time the old school judge was against her adulterous behaviour knowing she was not guilty of murder.
This case is not safe in todays law and Edith was wrongfully hanged
Shows how times have changed. This lady got shafted for cheating on her husband.... Today...women are encouraged to cheat on "boring" husbands. Brilliant humans 😂😂😂 Absolutely brilliant....
I know this awful but we have to remember that there was no cctv camera anywhere and dna at that time 😂
Whoop whoop!
A petition of reprieve of hanging for Frederick, with an unprecedented number of signatures, was garnered. However, there was not a petition for Edith, although her culpability, IMO, was not beyond a shadow of a doubt. Perhaps the judge's prejudicial opinion of her that he shared at trial swayed public opinion. This is certainly an interesting historical case in light of changes in the lifestyles of women during this time period.
ok