Apparently I wrote the wrong studio for Mission Impossible 6 two years ago and didn't double check because I assumed I'd checked two years ago in the first place.
Another thing at 13:58 - Fox has released the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 on Blu-Ray and DVD, which is to Alien 3 what the Snyder Cut is to Justice League: a workprint version from before the original director was removed from the project. However, the film industry of 2019 is very different from the film industry of 2003 when the cut was first released to the public, and even that version was only released 11 years after the film's theatrical debut.
Shame that we're probably not going to see a work cut, though. (And the only reason "probably" is in there is because I don't like making definitive statements without definitive proof. There's a theoretical possibility that someone manages to leak that 214-mimute version.)
"There's almost no chance this will get released, but if it does, there's exactly one way it could happen" - Cut to a year and a half later and Dan was right about everything.
Yep; he got it all correct, right down to exactly what would be wrong with the Snyder Cut: fundamental problems with storytelling, the problematic core plot being unchanged, extreme bloat and overstuffing of cameos and setups for later movies, clear signs that it wasn't done being edited down, lack of focus, overly-long runtime, the movie being pointlessly grim, etc.
@@matthewmuir8884 It’s interesting seeing the, weird responses to the cut. I’ve seen few amounts of negativity other than it being way too long. Also I wouldn’t say the core plot is unchanged, the ending is vastly different from the theatrical cut, and more characters, especially Cyborg is fleshed out. I honestly even think out of any Snyder movie, it’s his most hopeful, it’s no where as grim as the previous ones. I think Cosmonaut put the nail on the coffin about it imo, if you don’t like Snyder’s filmaking at all you’re not gonna like it. Personally I really enjoyed the movie, and I felt it was at least an improvement, plus I’m glad he got to see his vision through, good or bad. This isn’t me invalidating your opinion or anything, just interesting to note
Something really neat that movie got right about "killing" Wolverine (that most other movies miss) is the Adamantium bullet to the brain. It doesn't do the job permanently, but it'll wipe his memories, effectively killing the person he was. Ironic that _that_ movie got it right out of all of them, hahaha
Failures are usually more instructive than successes...though honestly I think that there are better failures to learn from than it. I think it's most instructive in this case because of how much work-in-progress content is available.
The only thing Dan was wrong about was the cost of completing the Snyder Cut. He estimated $30 million, and finishing the Snyder Cut cost almost twice that.
You *also* got it wrong; Hack Snyder was given/spent an additional *$70 million* to finish _Hack Snyder's Justice League: The Hack Snyder Cut (A Film by Hack Snyder),_ so it cost OVER twice as much as Dan's initial estimate. ... And the added special effects STILL look just as atrocious as Superman's upper lip in Josstice League. And Steppanwolf's new design was so over complicated and eye-gougingly edgy that you could have convinced me that Fennah made it.
@@DaMaster012 the estimation was actually $30-40 million so $70 million is perfectly in the middle of double that range. it also wasn't Dan's estimate, he said it came from vfx experts.
@@obscurereference8798 Also, the estimate he cited from those VFX artists were probably basing that opinion on the idea of finishing the movie as it existed at the time. We know for a fact Snyder apparently had more ideas and added more stuff to the movie that wasn't there originally so I fully believe the VFX artist estimate is probably right on the money and the extra cost came from the new stuff snyder shot and added.
The only thing Dan didn’t predict in this video is the covid pandemic making release-on-streaming a much more palatable option for Warner Brothers for it, because what else could they do, and now it doesn’t have to live with the shame of being a direct-to-dvd release.
Folding Ideas lured us in with the promise to teach us about the Snyder Cut. He secretly taught us so much more about production and distribution in the film industry. Great video.
I came back to re watch this video after the announcement of the cut ready to laugh at how this "aged like milk", but after finishing re watching I am now very impressed by how well Dan Olson can predict studio decisions. Also based on some of the new comments here I can tell a lot of you just read the tittle and commented instead of watching it, because for the most part Dan called it.
I have give you recognition for letting yourself be open enough to give it an honest rewatch and change your view over digging in. Something that is far too rare and sorely needed.
Speaking with exacting accuracy, Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut". It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed. So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now know for certain there is no Snyder cut.
@@tristanmayer5373 - No, he was absolutely correct. You can make a statement that is true today that becomes incorrect in the context of a future date. That doesn't make it retroactively false. At the time this video was made, there absolutely was not a completed separate version of the film as directed by Snyder. It did not exist, most likely for all the reasons this video mentions. They _later_ made it, for the exact reasons he says they _might_ make it in the last 25% of the video. It's like, if you wrote "it's cold outside" in the winter, and I came back in the summer to say, "um, actually, it's warm outside", the fact that the weather is different between seasons doesn't mean your statement was wrong or a lie. That would be dumb.
The closest I’ve seen to releasing a whole raw movie is Robert Rodriguez released a bonus feature of Sin City with all the effects removed. They released it sped up and with no sound but it was really cool to see the raw footage. He did it as a way of showing how to shoot a movie relatively cheap with green screen and it was really cool.
Something similar in a different medium is Devil May Cry 5 including pre-visualization cutscenes as an option. It's fascinating watching it in that state, but, well, it's not a movie and the rest of the game is still intact.
He also basically shot two different versions of Planet Terror. The boy in that movie was played by his son. One version of the film shows the boy surviving to the end, and another, the theatrical cut that we got, was the version where he died. Rodriguez said in the director's commentary that when he breaks the news to his son that there is no Santa Claus, "oh, by the way, you also died in Planet Terror."
It’s an animated movie but I recall there being a work print version of Disney’s Beauty and the Beast turning up as a bonus feature on either the blu ray or DVD, which had come from an early edit of the film that had been screened for animation industry folk and some critics prior to the movie’s proper release. It would sort of jump between storyboards, rough animation and a few finished sequences throughout its runtime. I think there were also some unfinished vfx work and perhaps some temp voices for certain characters as part of the edit as well.
Kevin B Back when Warner released the Final Cut of Blade Runner, they released a tin box set that featured 5 different cuts of the film, including the work print. In that case because the movie released in 1982 when most effects were shot practically, it didn’t really look any different to what was released cinematically, just a little rougher.
I've seen two incomplete movies. One was the first Spongebob movie where one scene went to uncolored sketches, which was WEIRD. Like I guess the discount theater was showing a terrible early cut. The other was when I saw a pre-release of Mortal Kombat. And yeah some scenes were only black and white with incomplete effects. I can only imagine how skeletal Justice League was.
The Howl's Moving Castle dvd had the entire movie in storyboard form, which was amazing to watch. Not quite the same thing as a workprint, but a similar behind the scenes sort of idea.
28 Days Later did a similar thing for the original ending they were thinking of going with until they pivoted towards the Military compound. Regardless of the story told it was an interesting view on how they wanted to show their direction.
I don't remember this on my DVD, and I always watched all of the special features, listened to all the commentary, etc. Was it available in PAL land? Was it only for two disc releases?
@@kaitlyn__L I have the Howl's Moving Castle DVD from 2004, and yes, it was on the second disc-- weirdly, when I look at the DVD it just says "storyboards" and not what it actually is, which is the entire movie afaik (it's been awhile) in storyboard form. Hopefully that helps!
@@MasterMemo which in response I'll point put the now growing charges against both Whedon and WB, INCLUDING the still hired brass of racism and erasing black and Asian characters, including black women. AND people now demanding the reinstatement of Ray as cyborg and the restoring of the "Snydeverse" . welcome to a bigger PR nightmare... oh and that's still give them a huge metaphorical black eye
@@SteveJonesGamingGWO no dog it was racist out of the main cast one of the was black and that’s a greater percentage than the black population in America and he is an awful actor and a reason he only has 6 credits and now 7 with playing Cyborg in the same movie twice
When the Snyder Cut reaches a point that wasn't shot, it will just cut to a video of Snyder sitting in a chair going "Okay, so this scene was going to be..."
You did a great job of explaining what a rough cut or a "work draft" of a film/series looks like months before it is released to the public. This is basically what many professional animators such as myself would see and help work on until a project is completed. I'm glad to see you making a comprehensive video on this, because I don't think this is a thing that is talked about in as much detail as it could be, despite behind the scene featurettes and documentaries continually being made.
The so-called "Snyder cut" is also proof beyond doubt that THERE IS NO SNYDER CUT. It's going to include, of all things, images of unfilmed storyboards. That means there was never any finished movie by Snyder to cut, "director's" or otherwise. The mystery is resolved: there is no Snyder cut, there will never be a Snyder cut, and it's literally impossible that it ever existed.
@@MegaZeta the snydercut everyone is talking about WAS a rough assemply cut snyder put together to show the studio. Thats it it never was and never will be anything else than that. It was never a "finnished movie" What we're getting now on HBO max is all his footage, finnished, polished, mixed and properly presented, including some few extra stuntpeople with cgi faces of actors Due to the pandemic, nothing was possible to re-shot or added on by the orginal cast. Maybe some dialouge, if we're lukcy maybe some greenscreen faces of minor actors. However the assembly cut/snydercut did have most of its footage in camera shot, simply as raw footage, and was edited to what would become the directors cut before the studio edit and before it would be proper worked on by vfx artists. However the music was mostly done, and most of the ADR was done
@@QuikVidGuy no, millions of people treated it as a directors vision that was never released. It wasnt about the movie but the story that was never told, most people simply didnt get what the movement was about. Specially the mainstream media
The only things this video got wrong was -the release date (2021, not 2020) -it being a long series and not a movie he literally predicted everything else
Right? It's kind of amazing, really shows he understands the industry. It also makes it extra hilarious how many people are trying to say he was wrong, obviously going on nothing but the title and not bothering to watch the whole video.
@@onslaught147 he is wrong, and so are you, you people just have a hard time dealing with reality, you dont know what to do with all your excuses and misinformation
@@matthewlinus4691 Well you see Zack Snyder is a magic golden god of modern cinema, just like Jayjaybrams and Whedon (except when in conflict with Snyder). Therefore the Snyder cut is fully complete in his mind and just needs to be downloaded from the Snydbrain and converted to mp4.
People gloating that Dan was wrong clearly didn't actually the watch the video lol. He didn't say the film doesn't exist. His point was the film didn't exist in the way people would expect it to and that sfx heavy movies are made so piecemeal that calling the cut Snyder had at that point a "finished" film was misleading. Now I'm curious to see the final cut now and what changes they make
Huh? Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut". We now know for a fact that it does not exist. It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed. So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now 100% know there is no Snyder cut.
TBH, this actually got me hyped for the cut. Not because I give a shit about it or Justice League, but I would love if this started a trend of workprints being released more regularly so we can appreciate what went into the film, as well as possible directions it could have gone.
I've wanted work prints to be an extra on Blu-ray releases ever since I saw A Scanner Darkly and then the single scene that seems to exist of raw footage. If this starts a new trend I'll be over the moon, and if it does enough to get a raw footage scanner darkly I might implode.
Yeah I am always fascinated by behind the scenes of films especially on the final photography and VFX end (shout out to IBM RUclips channel). It would be awesome to see a workprint.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 I love the pre-Alderan blow up scene in Star Wars. it's a few seconds on one of the bonus materials, but it's great when you just see a guy go "bang!" and Carrie Fisher falls down, crying because her non-existent planet just went "bang"
Getting to see a workprint would be amazing to me, too. I feel like so many people either became film nerds or entered the industry because of the hours of documentary content in the LOTR extended editions sparking a love of the process of making a film, and I feel like it's been a long time since we've gotten extra features that have been that in depth.
This is great simply as a breakdown of what post production on a Hollywood blockbuster entails. People outside the industry have some pretty wild ideas of how movies get made.
@@The80sWolf_ Because he'd either not respond or give a vague lie. The reality is that the Snyder Cut isn't finished and it honestly wouldn't be that good, anyways, which is why the studio put so much more faith in Snyder's replacement, instead. And now that his reputation is tarnished by his previous big mistakes, he has no motive to actually be honest about the quality or completeness of his own movie.
The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Trilogy comes with about 20 hours behind the scenes footage. 6 2.5-5 hour movies basically. Two for each movie. Plus 4 commentaries per movie.
To everyone who's here to gloat, I suggest watching this last part 15:55 where Dan predicts pretty much exactly what is happening now: WB is using the "Snyder Cut" as a teaser to draw subscribers to Warner Media's streaming platform HBO Max when it launches.
Lol that is actually pretty accurate! It exsists because we know its there in the box and its real, but if somone would open and see what it is its not what most people think it is, so then Its technically not there
There is now a "theory" about the Sonic movie. "They released a bad version of sonic while having a good version the whole time". That is not how movies work. RUclips really needs more videos like this.
Ok but also arguably, they wouldn't have been able to reanimate and recut the movie entirely around the backlash they faced from the original design considering the amount of time and effort animation takes, so I can sort of see where the theory comes from. That being said, crunch time is a thing, even with as difficult as tge animation process is, and I personally don't think the theory is true, especially considering how much of a budget and team a production of such a popular IP would have to speed up and streamline the process.
Fanboys who don't know anything about anything always go around ridiculous tinfoil hat conspiracy theories like that and clickbait RUclipsrs jump on them for easy views which only results in that misinformation bieng further spread. The whole Snydercut movement is basically that, rumors and misniformation being picked up by RUclipsrs who don't bother to do any research.
I hope you're already working on a follow up video titled "I was 100% correct about the Snyder Cut" that starts with the footage of you predicting it will come to HBO Max. It probably won't shut all these people who didn't even bother to actually watch the video up but it's worth a try.
Oh my god I had never even remotely considered serious Snyder with shitty effects. Now I really want to watch it. Bring it on, Release the Snyder Cut, I'll join these weirdos in their crusade.
It’s unlikely, but if I ever direct an special effects blockbuster, or if anyone I know does, I’ll lobby for a work print or two to be available alongside a director’s cut.
Hey there, buddy. I see you're on your way to comment "this aged well lol" Well before you do that, do me a favor and watch the video from 12:57 before you click "comment"
Uh no, buddy. Dan Olson is nothing but a snooty, obnoxious hipster with disgusting taste and is nothing but a pure hypocrite. For example, he claims he is against racism and points at the right for being racist but he himself does nothing when Hollywood practices racism like with all of their whitewash casting as he has ignored it again and again. His taste in movies is horrible and very AngloSaxon. For example, like many hipster morons in movie blogs Dan believe that fantasy related action films like superhero movies or movies like Assassin Creed should be all comedies even though the source material actually took themselves seriously. This entire anti Zack Synder video here was nothing but him talking out of his own behind. He is so arrogant that he actually thought he was right when he reality he had no idea what he was talking about. What Dan should do is stick to masturbating to Wes Anderson's horrible movies and keep out of general movie discussions because he doesn't really know what he is talking about.
@@NomadFlow Way to prove how little you watch Dan's content because among his many criticisms of the Earthsea mini-series was the extreme whitewashing of its protagonists.
I really appreciated the comment that you don't spend $350 million to make a small return. A lot of people think that just because a movie made money that it can't be a failure. It is a failure if you were expecting it to make at leasf $600 million and instead only made $400 million as that $200 million difference was likely planned to be used for future projects that could later get scrapped.
Also the budget for movies only report the production budget, excluding the marketing, and the box office revenue does not include the cut of revenue taken by theaters and international distribution companies. A blockbuster movie typically needs to make 2-3 times the budget in order to actually make money for the producers (primarily streaming / home release and indie films with limited release can make money with a smaller multiplier on the budget).
Don't mind me, I'm just here to witness the Snyderbros in the comments who, high on their self-satisfaction and lacking in situational awareness, seem to be showing up to this video to dunk on Dan, and in doing so, are outing the fact that they never watched the video, which accurately predicted exactly what WB/HBO literally announced would happen. Literally the only things he got wrong were A) assuming Snyder would self-fund the project, B) assuming it would be available with the launch of the service, and C) that it would still be a movie, and not a 4-6 part mini series.
It didn't predict anything. This video is mostly Dan collecting new items while being a petty little creep by sliding in his contempt for Zack Synder. Dan Olson is an insufferable hipster with horrendous taste and disgusting cynicism. Not to mention hypocrite by acting like he is against racism but when it comes to POC characters getting whitewashed he downplays it (Eathsea), ignores it (The Last Airbender) or flat out says he doesn't care (Netflix's Deathnote). And this anti-Synder video he did was just pandering to his audience of subhuman hipsters who think anything that isn't a pretentious bore of a movie needs to always be a comedy. He wishes all fantasy based action films would be like Marvel Studio's horrible movies that go against their own source material by filling the movies with so many jokes they are on the verge of parody. According to him no superhero comic book even if it took itself seriously in the source material should ever be adapted accurately (i.e. with a serious tone) because nerdy hipsters like Danny need to do the nerdy chuckle all the time. So Danny boy here ignores people who literally worked on Synder's Justice League who have directly responded to comments from people like him who have claimed otherwise about the Synder Cut (e.g. Jay Oliva, Junkie XL) so that he can push his hipster hatred of Zack Synder. That includes his condescending tone throughout like referring to comments from Synder supporters as "conspiracy theories" and "wishful thinking", making sure to call the social media Synder communicates on, Vero, as "twitter but empty, claiming the Synder Cut isn't any better than the Joss Whedon Cut, etc... He is a backwards miserable twerp in more way than one.
DaRunningMan Oh my god, you would bend over backwards this much just to defend Zack Snyder? Don’t worry bro, I don’t think he’s a completely terrible director. He’s an above average visual stylist but a terrible storyteller. Take a chill pill man.
Speaking with exacting accuracy, Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut". It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed. So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now 100% know there is no Snyder cut.
You know what's funny? All of the people coming here saying that he was right and arrogantly putting the "Snyder bros down", when I've not seen a single comment saying what people are claiming those accursed Snyder bros are flooding the comment section with, while all of the comments I've seen, all of the top comments, are almost exclusively filled with people defending Dan and bashing the Snyder bros. That people are so up in arms about an attack that for all I can see never took place, really encapsulates the self indulgent arrogance and unjustified vitriol against almost anything Snyder of the people who usually criticise him. Sure, you might find people who have a measured opinion but those are not within the crowd of the people who are outwardly critical that's for sure, and who, as might be expected, have been attracted by this video. Why are people so hell bent on either loving or hating Snyder or deciding what he is or isn't? I don't see that for any other directors, idk, maybe it speaks for Snyder being willing to be "controversial" in the literal meaning of the word not what is usually associated with it... (Yes, Copy paste, if you spot this comment somewhere else here)
I’m just rewatching this hoping he’ll make a video talking about the Snyder cut vs the theatrical He was so spot on about all this stuff that it’s cool to watch this video in hindsight
Pretty telling that all the Snyderbro "film buffs" are coming here saying "you were wrong/this aged like milk/etc". They're not the types to even watch actual videos about film/media analysis, so they didn't watch this one.
haters like you just cant handle that they lost, they put so much effort lying, spreading misinformation, and doing all kinds of bullshit for all of it to just explode in your faces, we are getting a Justice League movie and you cant do anything about it
@@nahuelahpa1881 Well i just found out this video and the guy speaking is already spot on his theory on what releasing snyder cut would look like and where it would be released that I thought this was just uploaded weeks ago
Animation is not covered by most of the major guilds/unions (at least the Writer's Guild & Director's Guild, probably more) and therefore has much fewer rules it needs to adhere to.
I think the Snyder Cut would be better served as a (maybe digital) comic done to the exact specification of Snyder. He would had greater creative liberty, way lower cost, it wouldn't conflict with the movie and could even be released as an extra. It's literally a DC superhero comic book story.
Peeps be looking at the title and saying that the video "aged poorly" when the entire video was spent defending the existance of the cut in some state.
You can feel bad for a personal tragedy and still think that the person you’re sorry for is bad at their job. Because that’s definitely true in this case.
@Sam Paget indeed. I love Dawn of the dead, watchmen, mos and bvs. Owls of ga'hoole was also very good. I didn't like 300 much or sucker punch. The guy is not bad at his job. He is a good director that sometimes makes the wrong choice like every director on the planet.
@@sbi168 The problem with the idea that's he's a good director who just made some bad choices is that Justice League was his third time working with one of these characters and second time with two of the others... none of whom's previous portrayals by him were particularly well received. Instead of learning from criticisms of the previous portrayals, he doubled down on the things people had already told him they didn't like. Maybe you don't think that makes his a bad director but it certainly makes him a bad (and egoistical) SOMETHING.
Guys, he isn't wrong. The "Snyder Cut" being released wasn't real when this video was made. They're basically making a new version of the movie, which is why it's being released in 2021 and not now, because it isn't actually finished. His speculation on why they would've even released it is correct too!
@@tellemstevedave5559 yeah that's why the rumor is that some of the actors are coming back to reshoot completely new scenes. If it was just visual effects it would be taking that long. The Sonic movie had to completely replace their main character in every single shot and they still didn't take that long. So if this movie was supposedly done and it's just footage lying around that just needs to be cleaned up then it shouldn't take more than 6 months to put out. Especially since they've had more than enough time to have had it ready for the launch of this service.
Well, they also have to include Junkie XL’s score and work it in. Who knows? Maybe they’ll make new tracks and original music for it as originally intended. The VFX, voice over, inclusion of new scenes and shots, editing and music will most likely take a good year or so.
VFX is important & expensive.But it isnt the most important or expensive thing in this process.Writing & filming is.Just the damn finished script itself is a huge fuckin deal from a filmmaking standpoint.The making of that 3hr+ footage snyder is talking about was probably the most effort,time & money consuming thing the JL crew ever did.Set-building is expensive.actors,crew & every other person who had something to do with it got paid.This part took the major share from that original $300billion+ budget.The "it didnt exist if vfx wasnt there argument" is some next level bs
It probably feels super weird to need to point out really basic human decency, but I liked how even with all the shade you give to Snyder as a director, you acknowledged his need to grieve following his daughter's death with sincerity.
Nah they would be right. He said WB wouldn’t want to release as this and that it wouldn’t be better and that everyone would get fired. He was wrong on all 3 of those badly. Then his career reflects his utter failure of talking about something that he has no idea of. He took a hard L he also said it would be out in May 2020 among many other details all very wrong
This aged perfectly. I haven't seen the original, and this makes me want to watch both just to learn about internal studio politics and how decisions on these big budget monoliths work. Mostly to use as ammunition the next time I want to rant about 300 million dollar superhero movies and capitalism. I'm sure I'll hate them both for the same reasons and different reasons alike.
@@derektran9404 not even a joke, really. just showing up out of nowhere to say 1 bigoted thing at someone with no context other than... existing as a minority. there's no attempt at humor at all, not even humor i disagree with
I find it hilarious that you sycophantic hipster followers of your obnoxious hipster god, Dan Olson, think that this video was right. His actual prediction in this video is that it won't ever be released and if it did it won't be in a finished form. Then at the end he reports on a rumor that Zack Synder fans were supporting since late last year about HBO MAX which is not his prediction.
@@NomadFlow fortunately, the topic of the video is not that. it's an explanation about what a work print is and what state does the film exist in - all correct. one prediction being incorrect does not mean the video aged badly, because it's just that, a prediction, the point is it might be incorrect.
He literally said that it probably won't happen and that WB won't go for it for tons of reasons that are proven wrong now. Saying "hey maybe there's an off chance that it could get released incomplete but probably not because Snyder Bad and Me Good" is not being right.
I can't see Snyder paying for this. From his perspective, it's kind of silly to do so - As long as his cut is never released, he can forever be the hero of this story. The moment anything with his name on it drops, he's just another page in a scrapbook titled "DC Dumpster Fire #3." I find it more believable (If this does happen) that Warner gave him a paycheck fat enough for him to swallow his pride and scramble existing footage into something that can be released with his name on it. I guess that makes me a pessimist.
If u new what kind of filmmaker Snyder is, he has too much of a movie pureist to simply take some money and leave a project and pretendingit never happned. In that way hes similar to somone like tarantino, if somone would cut or fuck up his movie he would fight big battle to keep it the way he want it. For people like this its never about the money but about the art of filmmaking themselves And dont missunderstand me, I am not comparing snyder and Tarantinos movies or skill, I am just describing the filmmaking type of person they are, as in dedication and love for the craft
Listen, I don’t think Snyder can tell a story from the broad side of a barn, but the man has never struck me as the kind of person to make political moves with regards to releasing or withholding his work. If he thinks he can get his movie out there, he’s gonna take the shot. He sees himself as a visionary and an artist and, while I don’t think he has the real narrative chops to back it up, I respect his integrity enough to know he’d never just sit on his hands and let his work go unseen just for clout. He gives a shit. Like, _really_ gives a shit. And I’ll back him up on that forever.
@@CabezasDePescado Just look at the fan reaction. A lot of DC fans have this crazy unrealistic expectation that the Snyder cut is going to be this amazing masterpiece of cinema and some of those people honestly probably would prefer it just for having his name on it, but all that good will would absolutely go away if the cut came out and was notably terrible. You can look at a released film, point out its problems, and show exactly how it's bad. But if it's not even a product you can see then you can project whatever expectations on it that you want and be just as right as anybody else because how would anyone ever even prove you wrong, right?
holy shit almost everything Dan said was right, even down to ego (WB didn’t agree to the SC until they were ordered to by their parent company in order to capitalise on that attention)
@@NomadFlow he literally said the Snyder Cut would release on HBO Max. Doesn't seem like you actually watched the video, he got it right on the money lol
@@BernardoOne "he literally said the Snyder Cut would release on HBO Max" No, he literally did not. His actual prediction is that it won't ever be released and if it did it won't be in a finished form. Then at the end (which is what you are talking about) he reports on a rumor that Zack Synder fans were supporting since late last year about HBO MAX which is not his prediction.
Yeah, I saw I liked the video when it came out, and I wouldn’t have liked it if it was just nonsensical hate. What he’s saying is logical and makes total sense-the fact that he predicted it be on HBO Max is proof of that. There was a cut, except that it wasn’t finished or complete enough to be a film until now. I’m glad Snyder is getting a chance to finish his movie the way he envisioned it...or at least I hope that’s the case and that there isn’t executive or studio interference, though, supposedly he is getting complete creative control this time, so who knows?
It feels like COVID may have finally tipped it over the edge. They aren't able to create new media until at least mid July, but they could possibly hire FX artists to work on it until next year's release.
What's been said about the cost of completing the cut certainly suggests that. A DC exec has been quoted as saying he "wished" that it was only $30million. That suggests at least a lot of CGI to be added.
@The Dolphin Police he literally said that it exists depending on what you mean, like, the movie itself won't even be ready until next year, and that's with tens of millions being pumped into re editing, editing scenes that were cut etc etc. It's by no means a finished cut that was shoved off. It's a cut that was shelved before it was ever a full film
I really love how Dan phrases why it's conceptually unideal for a studio to put money and effort into formally releasing cut content. if it's bad, well that's just wasted money and effort in bothering to rerelease it. if it's good, then they look dumb for cutting it in the first place and are publicly exposing themselves having made a big mistake, and their big mistake is responsible for the og movies failure. if they're right for cutting it, they were wrong for releasing the cut. if they're wrong for cutting it, they were wrong for cutting it. it's a lose lose. and fanboys just have no idea how actual filmmaking works, and imagine that the reality of making art is just THAT simple. very satisfying in how Dan proved that everyone is wrong about the Snyder cut, and it could only be released by only one condition, and that's exactly what happened. any fanboy who bothers commenting on this video that Dan was wrong for dare having called them wrong is just childish, further proving Dan right.
4:40 I was overseas when a bought a copy of Wolverine on the side of the street then came home to find out it was a bootleg of the leaked copy of the movie, with all that unfinished CGI lmao
Holy crap man I thought I was gonna come in here and make a “aged like milk“, lol. Cost to finish: approximately $30 million. How was it done? HBO max, in an attempt to lure in subscribers. So I’m pretty sure this is the smartest guy on the Internet
@@DerezzedMan 26 years after release, not just 10. And the situation's not really comparable, as 2006 was around the time when physical media was at its most profitable, so bonus features and lavish multi-disc editions were still common.
As someone who watched the Lord Of The Rings Production Diary’s on RUclips and saw Peter Jackson finish each of the movies with days to spare before the release date I cannot imagine how a complete cinema ready movie can exist before the reshoots. See also the first Star Wars movie that was saved in the edit suite by cutting out most of the Luke during the introductory space battle shots.
“But we can’t turn back! Fear is their greatest defense - I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust, and what there is is likely directed toward a large-scale assault!”
The folk commenting that the "cut exists" didn't watch the video. This video is basically saying that a draft existed, that some overbloated mess of a movie without special effects existed, but was not translated into a final cut. The "snyder cut" of a film didn't exist, and the "snyder cut" of justice league as so many Snyder stans envisioned it didn't exist. Y'all are saying "AHAH, NOW THEY WANT TO MAKE ONE!!!" and treating it as a rebuttal. No. The "cut" that existed was like a beta-reader's first draft, an unedited mess of bullshit that vaguely resembled the finished product, if that. When people were declaring the "SNYDER CUT EXISTS" they didn't mean a 4-5 hour mess with no CGI, they meant a movie. There was no "snyder cut" movie, just drafts and possibilities. Whoever runs the streaming shit didn't fucking "release" a snyder cut, they're making one. It didn't exist, and it also did. This video is about the film-making process, your movie that you insist on stanning for a director and universe that simply don't deserve it, did not exist in a watchable form. It was not a movie, it was a compilation of clips to be made into a proper movie. Jesus, people watch a video to the end before your tribalistic adoration of a film takes over.
Film Twitter these days mostly just consists of: - Snyder fans masquerading as DC fans petitioning for the Snyder Cuts - Star wars fans still upset about that one movie from two years ago - Marvel fans and Scorsese fans throwing shit at each other Edit: oh yeah, i guess some ppl on film twitter are upset at Marriage Story becos Adam Driver might steal that best actor Oscar from Joker. We really do live in a society.
Even the title is correct, as he put the "not" in brackets to reflect that, at that point in time, it both did and didn't exist; it existed as an unfinished workprint, but not as a complete film.
@@matthewmuir8884 I would also support the idea that the "original"snyder cut doesn't and will never exist because the "snyder cut" that we have right now is the post-whedon Justice league, not the original snyder vision of justice league. Things will change as snyder saw what mistake can be change from the whedon cut. From there, the "mistakes" that the original snyder version had that makes it into the the final 2017 product can be change by snyder himself.
@@notamike4576 True. It is definitely not what would've been the finished project if Snyder had continued to be at the helm; it is definitely a film that was made after-the-fact (and it still somehow manages to be worse than the 2017 theatrical version).
I would love to see a sequel to this video regarding the current situation of Warner Brothers from a political and economic perspective, just like this video. There’s a lot of controversy about shows and movies being removed from HBO Max, tax write-offs, shelved/canceled projects, and the possibility of finished movies like Coyote vs. ACME planning to be deleted. I would love to see Dan talk about what led up to Warners taking this path of PR disasters with audiences and staff members.
@@saulitix Dan has a lot more "inside baseball" knowledge about the topic. The rest of us know about the terms mentioned but not really what they entail.
lmao the people who only read the video title which is a fun schrodinger's cat play anyway i don't think it will be very good especially since it's being divided up into chunks
@@adamlevine6700 He had finished the photography , he was not barred from any additional pick-ups . He even invited some fans to come watch him do the pick.ups
@El-ahrairah Barber: So how do you want it Customer: Gimme the Snyder Cut Barber: Say no more *cuts off random clumps with scissors, runs a razor across a couple of times, ruffles it up with his hand* And we're done
@@Feasco Butcher: So how do you want it Customer: Gimme the Snyder Cut Butcher: Say no more *hacks random limbs off of the saddest, most diseased and bloated-looking cow you've ever seen, wraps it up in bloody wax paper, slides it across the counter* And we're done
"Henceforth, it is the the Snyder Cut that precedes the theatrical version [...] it is the Snyder Cut that engenders the theatrical version and if we were to revive the workprint today, it would be the theatrical version whose images are slowly rotting across the internet." /Jean Baudrillard, Simulacra and Simulation and the Snyder Cut
To this day I've never seen the finished version of Wolverine Origins, I watched it on a sketchy movie site (it was that leaked version with the temp effects) when I was like 11 and just thought "huh... this sure is a weird pirated copy"
for whatever reason i misread the title as "the dee snyder cut" and now i wanna see that movie. expensive reshoots to have cavill say "come on feel the noise"
"I keep telling everyone that the Sucker Punch girls *had* to be dressed in skimpy schoolgirl outfits, but the critics just don't get me... Anyways, remember to sear your filet with olive oil to get that premium taste!"
It's a hate circle jerk about a thing that already happened 3 years ago and doesn't affect them whatsoever. Didn't before. But less so now. Insanely rent free
I do find it passingly amusing that we have two "release the ___ Cut" movements, both relating to directors who I find have some fundamental problems in the way they tell stories. To jump on the other example, you could give JJ Abrams three hours but you'd still have an approach hinging on mysteries which serve only to make people curious rather than pay off in meaningful ways.
The Snyder Cut undermines nearly all my assumptions about filmmaking. I would assume that more time, more money, more freedom, etc. would result in a better movie, and yet...
@@scandalouspanda7489 He is the ultimate dude-bro and I love it! I enjoy most of his filmography for what it is: movies made by a guy who knows what he likes/finds cool and pumps it out. I'll never understand this intense hatred and adoration which he receives but that's twitter for you I suppose.
@@leaffinite2001it may be a hot take, but I disagree. It’s almost precisely the same story, but told with more random violence, more character stupidity, more plot holes, and a worse soundtrack. Case in point, Martian Manhunter impersonating Martha “Why-did-you-say-that-name” Kent to get her to go back to work; something that Martha might do, that he wouldn’t do, and will gaslight her whenever Lois talks to her next.
I enjoyed it quite a lot, honestly. The only other Snack Snyder movie I've seen was 300, which I laughed at from start to finish for all the wrong reasons, but JL was good. I've wondered if he didn't look at Josstice League and basically manage his own cut as a hybrid of his vision and a hypothetical Josstice League ver 1.1, since from what I've heard about the DCEU movies he directed it certainly seems like ZSJL took influence from JWJL. If I watched my big project get twisted and then crash and burn and I wanted to be petty about how much cooler my ideas were, I'd have no problem taking things from the release version and working them out with the extra time and feedback for my own purposes, especially in a context where I could credibly pass it off as that stuff being how I had done it before someone else mucked it up. That said, there is definitely such a thing as "too much creative freedom" in a large project like this. It's rarer than the inverse, but there are absolutely movies which are much better because maverick directors and writers had bad ideas which got reigned in by studio execs who could tell things were going wrong. Not just "they were made more palatable for a mass audience", but "we saw the director's cut and it was worse by every metric compared to the theatrical cut" . No amount of resources can fix someone being a dumbass, sometimes you need saner minds to come in and clean things up. But directors are big names and they aren't going to admit that their newest masterpiece couldn't have happened without the valuable input of a bunch of crusty old suits.
@@kevlopz3374I just find his movies so boring aside from 300. It’s weird because I have an appreciation for Michael Bay but none for Zach Snyder. I know he’s a really good dude but l listened to a directors commentary of 300 and it was just painful lol
As a person who watched and enjoyed the Snyder cut, the point is still correct. There was no "Snyder Cut" until Zack Snyder had six months to cut and a few million dollars worth of new CGI. It's kinda sad a movie (problematic Zack Snyder uvra aside) I liked owes its existence to a weird vaguely alt-right internet thing.
Imagine watching Man of Steel and Batman v Superman and thinking that the problem with Justice League was that Zack Snyder didn't have ENOUGH creative control.
A follow-up video would be totally unnecessary because you got everything right, but I sooo want to see a follow up video about how you got everything right.
Final stats: It's estimated that finishing "The Synder Cut" cost between $40-70m. (Estimated $40m to finish post-production, with an additional $30m for the extra scenes Synder wanted added.) As this was being released for streaming, and not cinemas, WB allowed him to push the boat out with the reshoots. It was originally planned as a 6-episode mini-series, but somewhere along the way is became a single mega-cut (comprised of 6 "parts"): The final runtime was 242m. (Basically a totally different movie to whatever would have been released originally -- this was not "The Snyder Cut" that was in those canisters, but rather a whole new edit.) It was released exclusively to HBO MAX on March 18, 2021. WB have not worked with him since.
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Apparently I wrote the wrong studio for Mission Impossible 6 two years ago and didn't double check because I assumed I'd checked two years ago in the first place.
I almost certainly had The Mummy on the brain.
Good job. Does this mean you will make another video addressing concerns and criticism like you did for your Suicide Squad video?
Another thing at 13:58 - Fox has released the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 on Blu-Ray and DVD, which is to Alien 3 what the Snyder Cut is to Justice League: a workprint version from before the original director was removed from the project. However, the film industry of 2019 is very different from the film industry of 2003 when the cut was first released to the public, and even that version was only released 11 years after the film's theatrical debut.
Folding Ideas you fool
@TheKarlOshaughnessy That BAD huh? 😆😆😆
‘They would never do this unless there was a sudden massive shift in priorities for big studios’ this was december 2019 holy shitttt
Lord grant me the serenity to not read the comments, the courage to not read the comments, and the wisdom to not read the comments.
A lesson I'm still in the process of learning...
wow you have the same name as me
@@caseyhamm8822cool pfp
Mainly just don't look at replies
@gabrielstrong7322 And don't sort by new.
Warner: Does exactly what Dan said they would.
The comments: "Hmm yeah I bet you feel pretty stupid now don't you? I am very smart."
Shame that we're probably not going to see a work cut, though.
(And the only reason "probably" is in there is because I don't like making definitive statements without definitive proof. There's a theoretical possibility that someone manages to leak that 214-mimute version.)
@@timothymclean Stay negative.
What happened?
Snyder Cultists aren't known for their intelligence
@@Reverse_Hood neither are anti Snyder cultists 😏
"There's almost no chance this will get released, but if it does, there's exactly one way it could happen" - Cut to a year and a half later and Dan was right about everything.
I haven't seen it, and my entire exposure to the cut is the YMS review, and... if half of what he said was true, than Dan was pretty much right.
Yep; he got it all correct, right down to exactly what would be wrong with the Snyder Cut: fundamental problems with storytelling, the problematic core plot being unchanged, extreme bloat and overstuffing of cameos and setups for later movies, clear signs that it wasn't done being edited down, lack of focus, overly-long runtime, the movie being pointlessly grim, etc.
@@FTZPLTC Now if only we could get the Fielder Cut.
@@Sugarman96 - Is that the one with the buttholes?
@@matthewmuir8884 It’s interesting seeing the, weird responses to the cut. I’ve seen few amounts of negativity other than it being way too long. Also I wouldn’t say the core plot is unchanged, the ending is vastly different from the theatrical cut, and more characters, especially Cyborg is fleshed out. I honestly even think out of any Snyder movie, it’s his most hopeful, it’s no where as grim as the previous ones. I think Cosmonaut put the nail on the coffin about it imo, if you don’t like Snyder’s filmaking at all you’re not gonna like it. Personally I really enjoyed the movie, and I felt it was at least an improvement, plus I’m glad he got to see his vision through, good or bad. This isn’t me invalidating your opinion or anything, just interesting to note
"Again, X-Men Origins is highly instructive," is not a phrase I thought there'd be any context for.
I've never been more interested in revisiting that movie now.
@@werwolfnate Dude, _same_
Something really neat that movie got right about "killing" Wolverine (that most other movies miss) is the Adamantium bullet to the brain. It doesn't do the job permanently, but it'll wipe his memories, effectively killing the person he was. Ironic that _that_ movie got it right out of all of them, hahaha
Bad movies can be instructive on how not to make a movie. X-Men Origins: Wolverine is a masterclass on that topic lmao.
Failures are usually more instructive than successes...though honestly I think that there are better failures to learn from than it. I think it's most instructive in this case because of how much work-in-progress content is available.
Dan: "Depending on your definition of exist"
Me: "O_o"
Oh hi there
Uh oh, thinky-man is on the existence question 🤣
Turns out the ontological argument can be applied to superhero movie editing. Anselm would be so proud.
...But what is existence? *Vsauce music plays*
Oh great, now big channels are using childish greentext memes.
The only thing Dan was wrong about was the cost of completing the Snyder Cut.
He estimated $30 million, and finishing the Snyder Cut cost almost twice that.
You *also* got it wrong; Hack Snyder was given/spent an additional *$70 million* to finish _Hack Snyder's Justice League: The Hack Snyder Cut (A Film by Hack Snyder),_ so it cost OVER twice as much as Dan's initial estimate.
... And the added special effects STILL look just as atrocious as Superman's upper lip in Josstice League.
And Steppanwolf's new design was so over complicated and eye-gougingly edgy that you could have convinced me that Fennah made it.
@@DaMaster012tell us how you really feel, mate
@@DaMaster012 the estimation was actually $30-40 million so $70 million is perfectly in the middle of double that range. it also wasn't Dan's estimate, he said it came from vfx experts.
@@obscurereference8798 Also, the estimate he cited from those VFX artists were probably basing that opinion on the idea of finishing the movie as it existed at the time. We know for a fact Snyder apparently had more ideas and added more stuff to the movie that wasn't there originally so I fully believe the VFX artist estimate is probably right on the money and the extra cost came from the new stuff snyder shot and added.
@@DaMaster012 I thought the new design was more interesting than the previous, but you aren't wrong
The only thing Dan didn’t predict in this video is the covid pandemic making release-on-streaming a much more palatable option for Warner Brothers for it, because what else could they do, and now it doesn’t have to live with the shame of being a direct-to-dvd release.
Frankly if Dan had predicted the covid pandemic and it's effects we should be worshipping him as a relgious profit and/or burning him as a witch
I don't know how he missed that
@@edward4840 fr
Basically it's as prophetic as it could have been without a literal crystal ball.
Folding Ideas lured us in with the promise to teach us about the Snyder Cut. He secretly taught us so much more about production and distribution in the film industry. Great video.
But the clip already got old when Snyder after it revelead that the cgi is done
Oh no, the deception.
The betrayal of trust!
It would have been funny if you'd partially shot this two years ago and then awkwardly cut the old footage in with new footage.
Mixed with completed footage and unfinished, ungraded raw footage.
That would be the most amazing thing possible. Only thing better would be if he didn’t have a beard in one half.
@@thisguydan And a bad CGI hand puppet.
Don't forget the awkward, incomplete CGI beard removal.
Also, him yelling and crying at a tennis ball, followed by a romantic scene that cuts to black.
I came back to re watch this video after the announcement of the cut ready to laugh at how this "aged like milk", but after finishing re watching I am now very impressed by how well Dan Olson can predict studio decisions. Also based on some of the new comments here I can tell a lot of you just read the tittle and commented instead of watching it, because for the most part Dan called it.
You sir is a scholar for being a person with a brain who actually watched the video before commenting.
I have give you recognition for letting yourself be open enough to give it an honest rewatch and change your view over digging in. Something that is far too rare and sorely needed.
Speaking with exacting accuracy, Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut".
It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed.
So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now know for certain there is no Snyder cut.
It's almost as if someone who professionally works on movies knows more about movie production than a bunch of Snyder fanboys.
@@tricksterhuaun Maybe not have a confusing title?
In the end, you were right. The money that could be made from releasing it on HBO Max ultimately ended up getting this made.
No, he was wrong. He spent the entire first 75% of the video saying it wouldn't happen.
@UltraPlushie you want to stay delusional be my guest.
@@tristanmayer5373 - No, he was absolutely correct. You can make a statement that is true today that becomes incorrect in the context of a future date. That doesn't make it retroactively false.
At the time this video was made, there absolutely was not a completed separate version of the film as directed by Snyder. It did not exist, most likely for all the reasons this video mentions. They _later_ made it, for the exact reasons he says they _might_ make it in the last 25% of the video.
It's like, if you wrote "it's cold outside" in the winter, and I came back in the summer to say, "um, actually, it's warm outside", the fact that the weather is different between seasons doesn't mean your statement was wrong or a lie. That would be dumb.
@CamelMan302
In all its awful glory
Maybe the real Snyder cut was the friends we made along the way
So true 😪 #blessed 🙏
lmao
I looked for the Snyder cut, but I only saw one set of footprints in the sand.
... and that's what makes it so powerful
Only if you believe in yourself, imagination, or friendship!
The closest I’ve seen to releasing a whole raw movie is Robert Rodriguez released a bonus feature of Sin City with all the effects removed. They released it sped up and with no sound but it was really cool to see the raw footage. He did it as a way of showing how to shoot a movie relatively cheap with green screen and it was really cool.
Something similar in a different medium is Devil May Cry 5 including pre-visualization cutscenes as an option. It's fascinating watching it in that state, but, well, it's not a movie and the rest of the game is still intact.
He also basically shot two different versions of Planet Terror. The boy in that movie was played by his son. One version of the film shows the boy surviving to the end, and another, the theatrical cut that we got, was the version where he died. Rodriguez said in the director's commentary that when he breaks the news to his son that there is no Santa Claus, "oh, by the way, you also died in Planet Terror."
It’s an animated movie but I recall there being a work print version of Disney’s Beauty and the Beast turning up as a bonus feature on either the blu ray or DVD, which had come from an early edit of the film that had been screened for animation industry folk and some critics prior to the movie’s proper release. It would sort of jump between storyboards, rough animation and a few finished sequences throughout its runtime. I think there were also some unfinished vfx work and perhaps some temp voices for certain characters as part of the edit as well.
Kevin B Back when Warner released the Final Cut of Blade Runner, they released a tin box set that featured 5 different cuts of the film, including the work print. In that case because the movie released in 1982 when most effects were shot practically, it didn’t really look any different to what was released cinematically, just a little rougher.
I've seen two incomplete movies. One was the first Spongebob movie where one scene went to uncolored sketches, which was WEIRD. Like I guess the discount theater was showing a terrible early cut.
The other was when I saw a pre-release of Mortal Kombat. And yeah some scenes were only black and white with incomplete effects. I can only imagine how skeletal Justice League was.
The Howl's Moving Castle dvd had the entire movie in storyboard form, which was amazing to watch. Not quite the same thing as a workprint, but a similar behind the scenes sort of idea.
28 Days Later did a similar thing for the original ending they were thinking of going with until they pivoted towards the Military compound. Regardless of the story told it was an interesting view on how they wanted to show their direction.
I think Mad Max Fury Road did it too
A storyboard isn't the animation equivalent of a workprint, but it's about as close as you're going to get.
I don't remember this on my DVD, and I always watched all of the special features, listened to all the commentary, etc. Was it available in PAL land? Was it only for two disc releases?
@@kaitlyn__L I have the Howl's Moving Castle DVD from 2004, and yes, it was on the second disc-- weirdly, when I look at the DVD it just says "storyboards" and not what it actually is, which is the entire movie afaik (it's been awhile) in storyboard form. Hopefully that helps!
The comments from people that didn't watch the video saying he was wrong, even though he predicted pretty much everything, are mildly annoying
I'd point to 14:35 for something he was either wrong on or something because yeah everything he says about ego is the reality of the situation
I for one, am expecting his thoughts on the movie.
@@SteveJonesGamingGWO 15:50 priorities changed.
@@MasterMemo which in response I'll point put the now growing charges against both Whedon and WB, INCLUDING the still hired brass of racism and erasing black and Asian characters, including black women. AND people now demanding the reinstatement of Ray as cyborg and the restoring of the "Snydeverse" . welcome to a bigger PR nightmare... oh and that's still give them a huge metaphorical black eye
@@SteveJonesGamingGWO no dog it was racist out of the main cast one of the was black and that’s a greater percentage than the black population in America and he is an awful actor and a reason he only has 6 credits and now 7 with playing Cyborg in the same movie twice
When the Snyder Cut reaches a point that wasn't shot, it will just cut to a video of Snyder sitting in a chair going "Okay, so this scene was going to be..."
lol!
@@DTBootlegs at least add some sitck man drawings to help visualize
Zack Shot Everything he wanted to, so no there won't be any " Explaining ".
...Batman sucks Darksied off as Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern have a dance battle.
@@DTBootlegs *Insert vfx here*
You did a great job of explaining what a rough cut or a "work draft" of a film/series looks like months before it is released to the public.
This is basically what many professional animators such as myself would see and help work on until a project is completed. I'm glad to see you making a comprehensive video on this, because I don't think this is a thing that is talked about in as much detail as it could be, despite behind the scene featurettes and documentaries continually being made.
Exactly. Making movies is complicated, kids. A "Snyder Cut" special release would have to make a profit off of $40M worth of SFX? Not gonna happen.
chooseymomschoose lol
Snyder Cut is releasing in the exact way Dan posited, as an exclusive for HBO Max. He didn’t take an “L” here.
The so-called "Snyder cut" is also proof beyond doubt that THERE IS NO SNYDER CUT.
It's going to include, of all things, images of unfilmed storyboards.
That means there was never any finished movie by Snyder to cut, "director's" or otherwise.
The mystery is resolved: there is no Snyder cut, there will never be a Snyder cut, and it's literally impossible that it ever existed.
@@MegaZeta the snydercut everyone is talking about WAS a rough assemply cut snyder put together to show the studio.
Thats it it never was and never will be anything else than that. It was never a "finnished movie"
What we're getting now on HBO max is all his footage, finnished, polished, mixed and properly presented, including some few extra stuntpeople with cgi faces of actors
Due to the pandemic, nothing was possible to re-shot or added on by the orginal cast. Maybe some dialouge, if we're lukcy maybe some greenscreen faces of minor actors.
However the assembly cut/snydercut did have most of its footage in camera shot, simply as raw footage, and was edited to what would become the directors cut before the studio edit and before it would be proper worked on by vfx artists. However the music was mostly done, and most of the ADR was done
@@MarkFilipAnthony millions of people were literally treating it like a finished film
@@QuikVidGuy no, millions of people treated it as a directors vision that was never released.
It wasnt about the movie but the story that was never told, most people simply didnt get what the movement was about. Specially the mainstream media
@@QuikVidGuy Nobody actually thought that. That's just a strawman argument by people wanting to dismiss the cut.
The only things this video got wrong was
-the release date (2021, not 2020)
-it being a long series and not a movie
he literally predicted everything else
Right? It's kind of amazing, really shows he understands the industry. It also makes it extra hilarious how many people are trying to say he was wrong, obviously going on nothing but the title and not bothering to watch the whole video.
@@onslaught147 he is wrong, and so are you, you people just have a hard time dealing with reality, you dont know what to do with all your excuses and misinformation
@@nahuelahpa1881 how is he wrong? please note, you have to actually watch the video first.
@@matthewlinus4691 Well you see Zack Snyder is a magic golden god of modern cinema, just like Jayjaybrams and Whedon (except when in conflict with Snyder). Therefore the Snyder cut is fully complete in his mind and just needs to be downloaded from the Snydbrain and converted to mp4.
When people who knows how it works, it is not so much about predictions nor conspiracy theories.
"It will probably at least be a really interesting comparison."
*foreshadowing*
ゴゴゴ Menacing! ゴゴゴ
The Snyder Cut is a technique no novice swordsman could hope to learn
You need a Mihawk for that cut.
Violet N. The Snyder Cut is a talented swordsman who would never let fear best him in a fight.
Forgive me master, I have to go all out, just this once.
“Is it possible to learn this power?”
“Not from the DCEU.”
Kauswe Kazilimani I see your a man/woman of good culture friend
People gloating that Dan was wrong clearly didn't actually the watch the video lol.
He didn't say the film doesn't exist. His point was the film didn't exist in the way people would expect it to and that sfx heavy movies are made so piecemeal that calling the cut Snyder had at that point a "finished" film was misleading.
Now I'm curious to see the final cut now and what changes they make
He also predicted exactly the one scenario in which the Snyder Cut would be released - to promote signups for HBO Max. Dude knows his shit
Snyder Cultists aren't known for their intelligence
Dan was pretty much spot on with everything
The filming was finished , everyone knew that . VFX was not .
Huh? Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut".
We now know for a fact that it does not exist.
It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed.
So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now 100% know there is no Snyder cut.
TBH, this actually got me hyped for the cut. Not because I give a shit about it or Justice League, but I would love if this started a trend of workprints being released more regularly so we can appreciate what went into the film, as well as possible directions it could have gone.
I've wanted work prints to be an extra on Blu-ray releases ever since I saw A Scanner Darkly and then the single scene that seems to exist of raw footage. If this starts a new trend I'll be over the moon, and if it does enough to get a raw footage scanner darkly I might implode.
Yeah I am always fascinated by behind the scenes of films especially on the final photography and VFX end (shout out to IBM RUclips channel). It would be awesome to see a workprint.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 I love the pre-Alderan blow up scene in Star Wars. it's a few seconds on one of the bonus materials, but it's great when you just see a guy go "bang!" and Carrie Fisher falls down, crying because her non-existent planet just went "bang"
Getting to see a workprint would be amazing to me, too. I feel like so many people either became film nerds or entered the industry because of the hours of documentary content in the LOTR extended editions sparking a love of the process of making a film, and I feel like it's been a long time since we've gotten extra features that have been that in depth.
SNYDER CUT IN 2021 ON HBO MAX, HELL YEAH!
This is great simply as a breakdown of what post production on a Hollywood blockbuster entails. People outside the industry have some pretty wild ideas of how movies get made.
I mostly know because I enjoy bad movies--and have heard of Manos Hands of Fate.
Why not go to Jay Oliva on twitter and ask? Or Zack Snyder on Vero and ask?
Katrina Payne You can learn a lot from bad movies!
@@The80sWolf_ Because he'd either not respond or give a vague lie. The reality is that the Snyder Cut isn't finished and it honestly wouldn't be that good, anyways, which is why the studio put so much more faith in Snyder's replacement, instead. And now that his reputation is tarnished by his previous big mistakes, he has no motive to actually be honest about the quality or completeness of his own movie.
The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Trilogy comes with about 20 hours behind the scenes footage. 6 2.5-5 hour movies basically. Two for each movie. Plus 4 commentaries per movie.
The Snyder Cut is the most expensive part of the cow that goes to all those high-end restaurants.
To everyone who's here to gloat, I suggest watching this last part 15:55 where Dan predicts pretty much exactly what is happening now: WB is using the "Snyder Cut" as a teaser to draw subscribers to Warner Media's streaming platform HBO Max when it launches.
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So its Schrodinger's Cut?
Pranavanathan Yoganathan oh my goodness. You’re a genius.
Lol that is actually pretty accurate!
It exsists because we know its there in the box and its real, but if somone would open and see what it is its not what most people think it is, so then Its technically not there
Bravo 👏👏
Bravo!
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The Snyder Cut is complete but was never released because all the foley is just Zac Snyder making sound effects with his mouth and hitting his desk.
*flashes back to Snyder interrupting Hans Zimmer to explain music as “BWAAAAM”*
Honestly the odds of me watching it would triple if that were the case.
There is now a "theory" about the Sonic movie. "They released a bad version of sonic while having a good version the whole time". That is not how movies work. RUclips really needs more videos like this.
Ok but also arguably, they wouldn't have been able to reanimate and recut the movie entirely around the backlash they faced from the original design considering the amount of time and effort animation takes, so I can sort of see where the theory comes from. That being said, crunch time is a thing, even with as difficult as tge animation process is, and I personally don't think the theory is true, especially considering how much of a budget and team a production of such a popular IP would have to speed up and streamline the process.
Fanboys who don't know anything about anything always go around ridiculous tinfoil hat conspiracy theories like that and clickbait RUclipsrs jump on them for easy views which only results in that misinformation bieng further spread. The whole Snydercut movement is basically that, rumors and misniformation being picked up by RUclipsrs who don't bother to do any research.
Having an entire studio go under as a result of doing two versions of a movie doesn't seem like a very clever marketing ploy
@@Feasco "nods" once I realized it was a serious video couldn't even keep watching
The redesign of the Sonic film changed it from “so bad it’s good” to just a generic kids film.
I hope you're already working on a follow up video titled "I was 100% correct about the Snyder Cut" that starts with the footage of you predicting it will come to HBO Max. It probably won't shut all these people who didn't even bother to actually watch the video up but it's worth a try.
An overly serious Zack Snyder film with special effects that look like they belong on a cheap kid's TV show would be the funniest thing ever
I would love it so much
Give Zack Snyder the budget of a single "Power Rangers" episode and see what he does with it.
@@casperchristiansen2458 that's honestly exactly where he would shine the most ngl
Oh my god I had never even remotely considered serious Snyder with shitty effects. Now I really want to watch it.
Bring it on, Release the Snyder Cut, I'll join these weirdos in their crusade.
This is why the only acceptable Arkham Knight skin is Adam West Batman.
I demand that every film have a version where all the 3D models are constantly T-Posing
C'mon, Hollywood, do what's right
that would be so great
It’s unlikely, but if I ever direct an special effects blockbuster, or if anyone I know does, I’ll lobby for a work print or two to be available alongside a director’s cut.
Love that you are making more videos now! Your early videos were extremely important for me.
Oh my god, strategy Jesus watches the same youtube videos as me!
I love to see the VIP comments
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Hey there, buddy. I see you're on your way to comment "this aged well lol"
Well before you do that, do me a favor and watch the video from 12:57 before you click "comment"
Thank you
Uh no, buddy. Dan Olson is nothing but a snooty, obnoxious hipster with disgusting taste and is nothing but a pure hypocrite. For example, he claims he is against racism and points at the right for being racist but he himself does nothing when Hollywood practices racism like with all of their whitewash casting as he has ignored it again and again. His taste in movies is horrible and very AngloSaxon. For example, like many hipster morons in movie blogs Dan believe that fantasy related action films like superhero movies or movies like Assassin Creed should be all comedies even though the source material actually took themselves seriously. This entire anti Zack Synder video here was nothing but him talking out of his own behind. He is so arrogant that he actually thought he was right when he reality he had no idea what he was talking about. What Dan should do is stick to masturbating to Wes Anderson's horrible movies and keep out of general movie discussions because he doesn't really know what he is talking about.
@@NomadFlow Way to prove how little you watch Dan's content because among his many criticisms of the Earthsea mini-series was the extreme whitewashing of its protagonists.
@@NomadFlow you mad bro? gonna cry?
@@NomadFlow "His taste in movies is horrible and very AngloSaxon"
I'm sure that sounded good in your head.
I really appreciated the comment that you don't spend $350 million to make a small return. A lot of people think that just because a movie made money that it can't be a failure. It is a failure if you were expecting it to make at leasf $600 million and instead only made $400 million as that $200 million difference was likely planned to be used for future projects that could later get scrapped.
Also the budget for movies only report the production budget, excluding the marketing, and the box office revenue does not include the cut of revenue taken by theaters and international distribution companies. A blockbuster movie typically needs to make 2-3 times the budget in order to actually make money for the producers (primarily streaming / home release and indie films with limited release can make money with a smaller multiplier on the budget).
Don't mind me, I'm just here to witness the Snyderbros in the comments who, high on their self-satisfaction and lacking in situational awareness, seem to be showing up to this video to dunk on Dan, and in doing so, are outing the fact that they never watched the video, which accurately predicted exactly what WB/HBO literally announced would happen.
Literally the only things he got wrong were A) assuming Snyder would self-fund the project, B) assuming it would be available with the launch of the service, and C) that it would still be a movie, and not a 4-6 part mini series.
It didn't predict anything. This video is mostly Dan collecting new items while being a petty little creep by sliding in his contempt for Zack Synder. Dan Olson is an insufferable hipster with horrendous taste and disgusting cynicism. Not to mention hypocrite by acting like he is against racism but when it comes to POC characters getting whitewashed he downplays it (Eathsea), ignores it (The Last Airbender) or flat out says he doesn't care (Netflix's Deathnote). And this anti-Synder video he did was just pandering to his audience of subhuman hipsters who think anything that isn't a pretentious bore of a movie needs to always be a comedy. He wishes all fantasy based action films would be like Marvel Studio's horrible movies that go against their own source material by filling the movies with so many jokes they are on the verge of parody.
According to him no superhero comic book even if it took itself seriously in the source material should ever be adapted accurately (i.e. with a serious tone) because nerdy hipsters like Danny need to do the nerdy chuckle all the time. So Danny boy here ignores people who literally worked on Synder's Justice League who have directly responded to comments from people like him who have claimed otherwise about the Synder Cut (e.g. Jay Oliva, Junkie XL) so that he can push his hipster hatred of Zack Synder. That includes his condescending tone throughout like referring to comments from Synder supporters as "conspiracy theories" and "wishful thinking", making sure to call the social media Synder communicates on, Vero, as "twitter but empty, claiming the Synder Cut isn't any better than the Joss Whedon Cut, etc... He is a backwards miserable twerp in more way than one.
DaRunningMan Oh my god, you would bend over backwards this much just to defend Zack Snyder? Don’t worry bro, I don’t think he’s a completely terrible director. He’s an above average visual stylist but a terrible storyteller. Take a chill pill man.
DaRunningMan sorry he doesn’t kiss the ground Zack Snyder walks on. Actually watch the video
Speaking with exacting accuracy, Dan is *_too_* optimistic about the "Snyder cut".
It seems instead that reports of initial photography not even being completed before Snyder left were true, and the "Snyder cut" will include still storyboards never filmed.
So, we now know for certain that the Snyder cut is much more "nonexistent" than "existent". If we don't mince words: we now 100% know there is no Snyder cut.
You know what's funny? All of the people coming here saying that he was right and arrogantly putting the "Snyder bros down", when I've not seen a single comment saying what people are claiming those accursed Snyder bros are flooding the comment section with, while all of the comments I've seen, all of the top comments, are almost exclusively filled with people defending Dan and bashing the Snyder bros.
That people are so up in arms about an attack that for all I can see never took place, really encapsulates the self indulgent arrogance and unjustified vitriol against almost anything Snyder of the people who usually criticise him. Sure, you might find people who have a measured opinion but those are not within the crowd of the people who are outwardly critical that's for sure, and who, as might be expected, have been attracted by this video.
Why are people so hell bent on either loving or hating Snyder or deciding what he is or isn't? I don't see that for any other directors, idk, maybe it speaks for Snyder being willing to be "controversial" in the literal meaning of the word not what is usually associated with it...
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I’m just rewatching this hoping he’ll make a video talking about the Snyder cut vs the theatrical
He was so spot on about all this stuff that it’s cool to watch this video in hindsight
I think Mauler's video covers pretty much all of it, so there's no need?
Pretty telling that all the Snyderbro "film buffs" are coming here saying "you were wrong/this aged like milk/etc". They're not the types to even watch actual videos about film/media analysis, so they didn't watch this one.
Gotta love the pretentious undertone with all of you who decided to come back to reply to the Snyder Cut supporters.
@@UnknownUser-gd3ls Totally unlike what you're currently doing.
Unknown User your comment ages worse than this video.
haters like you just cant handle that they lost, they put so much effort lying, spreading misinformation, and doing all kinds of bullshit for all of it to just explode in your faces, we are getting a Justice League movie and you cant do anything about it
@@nahuelahpa1881 Well i just found out this video and the guy speaking is already spot on his theory on what releasing snyder cut would look like and where it would be released that I thought this was just uploaded weeks ago
It turns out the real Snyder Cut was inside you all along
How do I get it out!?
@@Meda01 Bite down on some wood, we're going in with knives
The real Snyder Cut was the friends we made along the way.
The first Snyder Cut is the deepest.
FWIW, Into The Spiderverse has a work print alternate version on the Blu-ray as a bonus feature.
That would be very interesting to see in relation to a live-action film, especially since Spiderverse uses some techniques not normally done in 3D.
Beauty and the beast as well but I’m guessing the rules for animation maybe different
Part of it is different processes and part of it is different expectations. An unfinished drawing plays differently than floating tennis balls.
Animation is not covered by most of the major guilds/unions (at least the Writer's Guild & Director's Guild, probably more) and therefore has much fewer rules it needs to adhere to.
I think the Snyder Cut would be better served as a (maybe digital) comic done to the exact specification of Snyder. He would had greater creative liberty, way lower cost, it wouldn't conflict with the movie and could even be released as an extra. It's literally a DC superhero comic book story.
The circle of life
yeah, at the very least they should do something like that
Sounds like those Robocop comics that were based on Frank Millers original scripts for Robocop 2
Plus the change in medium would distract from the fact it's setting up movies that never came to be
100% this.
Peeps be looking at the title and saying that the video "aged poorly" when the entire video was spent defending the existance of the cut in some state.
I'm amazed how accurate this all was down to the dollar amount. Still would be curious to see a revisit now that it's out
would love some exploration of technical aspects of the Snyder cut in comparison to the theatrical release, maybe about editing etc
"Following the sudden death of his daughter . . ."
Damn, now I gotta remember that I feel bad for Zack Snyder.
Yeah, that whole story was rough. I really hope leaving the movie helped him and his family during that time.
You can feel bad for a personal tragedy and still think that the person you’re sorry for is bad at their job. Because that’s definitely true in this case.
@Sam Paget indeed. I love Dawn of the dead, watchmen, mos and bvs. Owls of ga'hoole was also very good. I didn't like 300 much or sucker punch. The guy is not bad at his job. He is a good director that sometimes makes the wrong choice like every director on the planet.
@@sbi168 The problem with the idea that's he's a good director who just made some bad choices is that Justice League was his third time working with one of these characters and second time with two of the others... none of whom's previous portrayals by him were particularly well received. Instead of learning from criticisms of the previous portrayals, he doubled down on the things people had already told him they didn't like. Maybe you don't think that makes his a bad director but it certainly makes him a bad (and egoistical) SOMETHING.
@@vadalia3860 It means he is among the few in hollywood with any personal integrity to speak of
Guys, he isn't wrong. The "Snyder Cut" being released wasn't real when this video was made. They're basically making a new version of the movie, which is why it's being released in 2021 and not now, because it isn't actually finished. His speculation on why they would've even released it is correct too!
No it isn't. They've had most of the footage. It's just visual effects.
@@tellemstevedave5559 yeah that's why the rumor is that some of the actors are coming back to reshoot completely new scenes. If it was just visual effects it would be taking that long. The Sonic movie had to completely replace their main character in every single shot and they still didn't take that long. So if this movie was supposedly done and it's just footage lying around that just needs to be cleaned up then it shouldn't take more than 6 months to put out. Especially since they've had more than enough time to have had it ready for the launch of this service.
@@tellemstevedave5559 Yeah, "just" VFX. Hey, wasn't a big chunk of the video pointing out how much modern superhero movies change when you add VFX?
Well, they also have to include Junkie XL’s score and work it in. Who knows? Maybe they’ll make new tracks and original music for it as originally intended. The VFX, voice over, inclusion of new scenes and shots, editing and music will most likely take a good year or so.
VFX is important & expensive.But it isnt the most important or expensive thing in this process.Writing & filming is.Just the damn finished script itself is a huge fuckin deal from a filmmaking standpoint.The making of that 3hr+ footage snyder is talking about was probably the most effort,time & money consuming thing the JL crew ever did.Set-building is expensive.actors,crew & every other person who had something to do with it got paid.This part took the major share from that original $300billion+ budget.The "it didnt exist if vfx wasnt there argument" is some next level bs
It probably feels super weird to need to point out really basic human decency, but I liked how even with all the shade you give to Snyder as a director, you acknowledged his need to grieve following his daughter's death with sincerity.
Turns out 2/3 of the Snyder-Cut runtime is just running the footage at half speed
ah yes: my favorite of the Evangelion reboots!
Imagine not even watching the video and commenting "haha this aged like milk" to make you look like a whole buffoon fresh out of clown school
Nah they would be right. He said WB wouldn’t want to release as this and that it wouldn’t be better and that everyone would get fired. He was wrong on all 3 of those badly. Then his career reflects his utter failure of talking about something that he has no idea of. He took a hard L he also said it would be out in May 2020 among many other details all very wrong
@@dartvade1955 I love how desperate you are to feel like you're right.
I just watch this video so that for 18 minutes and 29 seconds I can live in a world where it really doesn’t exist.
And that's why I'm not doing that!
@@dartvade1955 14:52
The Schrodinger's Cut
This aged perfectly. I haven't seen the original, and this makes me want to watch both just to learn about internal studio politics and how decisions on these big budget monoliths work. Mostly to use as ammunition the next time I want to rant about 300 million dollar superhero movies and capitalism.
I'm sure I'll hate them both for the same reasons and different reasons alike.
I'd be genuinely interested in seeing the work print versions, from the point of seeing what it looks like before all the finishing.
@Innocent Jogger Wait is this a joke I'm not getting?
@Innocent Jogger Godwin's law and a terrible joke that doesn't make sense, really hitting all the boxes.
@Innocent Jogger No matter what I do, quite an awful joke there.
@@derektran9404 not even a joke, really. just showing up out of nowhere to say 1 bigoted thing at someone with no context other than... existing as a minority. there's no attempt at humor at all, not even humor i disagree with
So you called it. It will cost 30 million dollars to finish it 👍
Update: it is now going to cost 70 million 🤣
Not to finish, but to add new scenes. And 30 million is nothing for Hollywood film, especially 4 hours one.
Idk what's funny here, noticing there is something implied though I'm not sure what
After the 15:50 minute mark this video borders on prophetic! Have you considered changing your name to Danstradamus?
This is an underrated comment!!!
...NostraDanus
I find it hilarious that people feel that this video has aged badly :)
I find it hilarious that you sycophantic hipster followers of your obnoxious hipster god, Dan Olson, think that this video was right. His actual prediction in this video is that it won't ever be released and if it did it won't be in a finished form. Then at the end he reports on a rumor that Zack Synder fans were supporting since late last year about HBO MAX which is not his prediction.
@@NomadFlow fortunately, the topic of the video is not that. it's an explanation about what a work print is and what state does the film exist in - all correct. one prediction being incorrect does not mean the video aged badly, because it's just that, a prediction, the point is it might be incorrect.
@@NomadFlow u mad bro
@Gnome de Plume he’s been spamming hate in this comment section.
He literally said that it probably won't happen and that WB won't go for it for tons of reasons that are proven wrong now. Saying "hey maybe there's an off chance that it could get released incomplete but probably not because Snyder Bad and Me Good" is not being right.
I can't see Snyder paying for this. From his perspective, it's kind of silly to do so - As long as his cut is never released, he can forever be the hero of this story. The moment anything with his name on it drops, he's just another page in a scrapbook titled "DC Dumpster Fire #3."
I find it more believable (If this does happen) that Warner gave him a paycheck fat enough for him to swallow his pride and scramble existing footage into something that can be released with his name on it.
I guess that makes me a pessimist.
If u new what kind of filmmaker Snyder is, he has too much of a movie pureist to simply take some money and leave a project and pretendingit never happned.
In that way hes similar to somone like tarantino, if somone would cut or fuck up his movie he would fight big battle to keep it the way he want it.
For people like this its never about the money but about the art of filmmaking themselves
And dont missunderstand me, I am not comparing snyder and Tarantinos movies or skill, I am just describing the filmmaking type of person they are, as in dedication and love for the craft
hero of the story? did you even know what the deal is? jeez, get some education
Listen, I don’t think Snyder can tell a story from the broad side of a barn, but the man has never struck me as the kind of person to make political moves with regards to releasing or withholding his work. If he thinks he can get his movie out there, he’s gonna take the shot. He sees himself as a visionary and an artist and, while I don’t think he has the real narrative chops to back it up, I respect his integrity enough to know he’d never just sit on his hands and let his work go unseen just for clout. He gives a shit. Like, _really_ gives a shit. And I’ll back him up on that forever.
You either die a hero... Or live long enough to become the villain
@@CabezasDePescado Just look at the fan reaction. A lot of DC fans have this crazy unrealistic expectation that the Snyder cut is going to be this amazing masterpiece of cinema and some of those people honestly probably would prefer it just for having his name on it, but all that good will would absolutely go away if the cut came out and was notably terrible.
You can look at a released film, point out its problems, and show exactly how it's bad. But if it's not even a product you can see then you can project whatever expectations on it that you want and be just as right as anybody else because how would anyone ever even prove you wrong, right?
🍷: *[aged with grace, and maturity]*
holy shit almost everything Dan said was right, even down to ego (WB didn’t agree to the SC until they were ordered to by their parent company in order to capitalise on that attention)
Have any of you guys actually watched the video? Stop saying he's wrong, he was correct then and now.
@@NomadFlow he literally said the Snyder Cut would release on HBO Max. Doesn't seem like you actually watched the video, he got it right on the money lol
@@BernardoOne "he literally said the Snyder Cut would release on HBO Max"
No, he literally did not. His actual prediction is that it won't ever be released and if it did it won't be in a finished form. Then at the end (which is what you are talking about) he reports on a rumor that Zack Synder fans were supporting since late last year about HBO MAX which is not his prediction.
@@NomadFlow get a life bro
Yeah, I saw I liked the video when it came out, and I wouldn’t have liked it if it was just nonsensical hate. What he’s saying is logical and makes total sense-the fact that he predicted it be on HBO Max is proof of that. There was a cut, except that it wasn’t finished or complete enough to be a film until now. I’m glad Snyder is getting a chance to finish his movie the way he envisioned it...or at least I hope that’s the case and that there isn’t executive or studio interference, though, supposedly he is getting complete creative control this time, so who knows?
the salt is real with this running man dude, holy shit. you can't talk about anyone's taste in music when you get this worked up over capeshit my man
I’m so hungry and every time he said Snyder this whole video an HD image of pretzels was beamed directly into my brain ahhhh
This is the best comment ive ever seen
reminder: nothing in this video has been proven incorrect by the announcement
It feels like COVID may have finally tipped it over the edge. They aren't able to create new media until at least mid July, but they could possibly hire FX artists to work on it until next year's release.
Yeah, going with you're incorrect
What's been said about the cost of completing the cut certainly suggests that. A DC exec has been quoted as saying he "wished" that it was only $30million. That suggests at least a lot of CGI to be added.
@@DubiousConsumption Movie was greenlit in Nov b4 COVID .When Covid hit WB asked Zack to wait but Zack said he will continue with post production
@The Dolphin Police he literally said that it exists depending on what you mean, like, the movie itself won't even be ready until next year, and that's with tens of millions being pumped into re editing, editing scenes that were cut etc etc. It's by no means a finished cut that was shoved off. It's a cut that was shelved before it was ever a full film
I really love how Dan phrases why it's conceptually unideal for a studio to put money and effort into formally releasing cut content. if it's bad, well that's just wasted money and effort in bothering to rerelease it. if it's good, then they look dumb for cutting it in the first place and are publicly exposing themselves having made a big mistake, and their big mistake is responsible for the og movies failure.
if they're right for cutting it, they were wrong for releasing the cut. if they're wrong for cutting it, they were wrong for cutting it. it's a lose lose.
and fanboys just have no idea how actual filmmaking works, and imagine that the reality of making art is just THAT simple. very satisfying in how Dan proved that everyone is wrong about the Snyder cut, and it could only be released by only one condition, and that's exactly what happened. any fanboy who bothers commenting on this video that Dan was wrong for dare having called them wrong is just childish, further proving Dan right.
Wow, it's amazing how many people clearly didn't watch the video.
CLEARLY
4:40 I was overseas when a bought a copy of Wolverine on the side of the street then came home to find out it was a bootleg of the leaked copy of the movie, with all that unfinished CGI lmao
Holy crap man I thought I was gonna come in here and make a “aged like milk“, lol.
Cost to finish: approximately $30 million. How was it done? HBO max, in an attempt to lure in subscribers. So I’m pretty sure this is the smartest guy on the Internet
Yup.
This has aged very poorly - you totally failed to predict a global pandemic!
They had us in the first, I'm not gonna lie.
When a movie’s been out for two years and you still believe there’s a better version still coming, I fear battle’s already been lost.
It's like when sherlock fans thought there was a secret extra episode because the end of season 4 was soooo bad
Moffat really should just stick to writing individual episodes.
Superman 2 directors cut was released 10 years later, your point?
@@DerezzedMan 26 years after release, not just 10. And the situation's not really comparable, as 2006 was around the time when physical media was at its most profitable, so bonus features and lavish multi-disc editions were still common.
I mean, that's what we got with Blade Runner XD
As someone who watched the Lord Of The Rings Production Diary’s on RUclips and saw Peter Jackson finish each of the movies with days to spare before the release date I cannot imagine how a complete cinema ready movie can exist before the reshoots. See also the first Star Wars movie that was saved in the edit suite by cutting out most of the Luke during the introductory space battle shots.
“But we can’t turn back! Fear is their greatest defense - I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust, and what there is is likely directed toward a large-scale assault!”
Not true, he literally finnished editing the movie(s) the day before the premiere.
Thats part of the behind the scenes extras is you check it out
@@MarkFilipAnthony That's literally what he said.
@@levischorpioen he said "with days to spare", I said the day before the premiere
The folk commenting that the "cut exists" didn't watch the video. This video is basically saying that a draft existed, that some overbloated mess of a movie without special effects existed, but was not translated into a final cut. The "snyder cut" of a film didn't exist, and the "snyder cut" of justice league as so many Snyder stans envisioned it didn't exist. Y'all are saying "AHAH, NOW THEY WANT TO MAKE ONE!!!" and treating it as a rebuttal.
No.
The "cut" that existed was like a beta-reader's first draft, an unedited mess of bullshit that vaguely resembled the finished product, if that. When people were declaring the "SNYDER CUT EXISTS" they didn't mean a 4-5 hour mess with no CGI, they meant a movie. There was no "snyder cut" movie, just drafts and possibilities. Whoever runs the streaming shit didn't fucking "release" a snyder cut, they're making one. It didn't exist, and it also did.
This video is about the film-making process, your movie that you insist on stanning for a director and universe that simply don't deserve it, did not exist in a watchable form. It was not a movie, it was a compilation of clips to be made into a proper movie.
Jesus, people watch a video to the end before your tribalistic adoration of a film takes over.
So a follow-up to this video is imminent, right? Man, I'd love to see Dan's analysis of Snyders cut...
Film Twitter these days mostly just consists of:
- Snyder fans masquerading as DC fans petitioning for the Snyder Cuts
- Star wars fans still upset about that one movie from two years ago
- Marvel fans and Scorsese fans throwing shit at each other
Edit: oh yeah, i guess some ppl on film twitter are upset at Marriage Story becos Adam Driver might steal that best actor Oscar from Joker.
We really do live in a society.
As a film fan on Twitter I can concur lol
It's shameful.
And people complaining about marriage story now
@@WTFisTingispingis it's downright embarrassing. People still get attacked over opinions on the last jedi like grow the fuck up.
@@youreafurry8818 marriage story?
Man I don't know about you all, but I can't wait for an extra hour of cameos and set ups that will now go nowhere.
Holy shit! Not only has this NOT aged poorly, but in hindsight this is incredibly astute and prescient. They only thing you got wrong was the title :)
Even the title is correct, as he put the "not" in brackets to reflect that, at that point in time, it both did and didn't exist; it existed as an unfinished workprint, but not as a complete film.
@@matthewmuir8884 I would also support the idea that the "original"snyder cut doesn't and will never exist because the "snyder cut" that we have right now is the post-whedon Justice league, not the original snyder vision of justice league. Things will change as snyder saw what mistake can be change from the whedon cut. From there, the "mistakes" that the original snyder version had that makes it into the the final 2017 product can be change by snyder himself.
@@notamike4576 True. It is definitely not what would've been the finished project if Snyder had continued to be at the helm; it is definitely a film that was made after-the-fact (and it still somehow manages to be worse than the 2017 theatrical version).
I would love to see a sequel to this video regarding the current situation of Warner Brothers from a political and economic perspective, just like this video.
There’s a lot of controversy about shows and movies being removed from HBO Max, tax write-offs, shelved/canceled projects, and the possibility of finished movies like Coyote vs. ACME planning to be deleted.
I would love to see Dan talk about what led up to Warners taking this path of PR disasters with audiences and staff members.
You seem to know a lot about the topic, why don't you make your own video about it?
@@saulitix Dan has a lot more "inside baseball" knowledge about the topic. The rest of us know about the terms mentioned but not really what they entail.
@@saulitix You seem to be a simp
I still can't believe you predicted almost everything to a tee
I watched the Snyder Cut and fell asleep about an hour into the movie, I woke up and there was another hour left to go.
For all of the clamoring about how much different the Snydercut was going to be...it's still mostly the same movie, but twice as long.
Only subhumans can think is not different.
lmao the people who only read the video title which is a fun schrodinger's cat play anyway i don't think it will be very good especially since it's being divided up into chunks
Actually, I assumed the title was a reference to the naming scheme of the Rebuild of Evangelion movies.
@@adamlevine6700 He had finished the photography , he was not barred from any additional pick-ups . He even invited some fans to come watch him do the pick.ups
The Snyder Cut is just this comment section's jokes about what the Snyder Cut is.
@El-ahrairah Barber: So how do you want it
Customer: Gimme the Snyder Cut
Barber: Say no more *cuts off random clumps with scissors, runs a razor across a couple of times, ruffles it up with his hand* And we're done
Maybe the real Snyder Cut is the enemies we made along the way
@El-ahrairah How can you "feel" that by peopel writing stuff online they shop at a certain place. Sounds really strange to me :0
@@Feasco Butcher: So how do you want it
Customer: Gimme the Snyder Cut
Butcher: Say no more *hacks random limbs off of the saddest, most diseased and bloated-looking cow you've ever seen, wraps it up in bloody wax paper, slides it across the counter* And we're done
Which of the 15 different endings to Evangelion was like that again?
"The Snyder Cut did not take place" - Jean Baudrillard
"Henceforth, it is the the Snyder Cut that precedes the theatrical version [...] it is the Snyder Cut that engenders the theatrical version and if we were to revive the workprint today, it would be the theatrical version whose images are slowly rotting across the internet."
/Jean Baudrillard, Simulacra and Simulation and the Snyder Cut
To this day I've never seen the finished version of Wolverine Origins, I watched it on a sketchy movie site (it was that leaked version with the temp effects) when I was like 11 and just thought "huh... this sure is a weird pirated copy"
for whatever reason i misread the title as "the dee snyder cut" and now i wanna see that movie. expensive reshoots to have cavill say "come on feel the noise"
And now youve got me thinking of dee Reynolds making this film, and thatd be a great its always sunny episode
The Snyder Cut is just 20 minutes of Snyder cooking a casserole while mumbling about the CGI mustache and how critics keep doing him dirty
Honestly that sounds delightful.
Troy Schulz Ikr, just a casual vlog/rant while he gives us a surprisingly good recipe - that would be a fun watch
"I keep telling everyone that the Sucker Punch girls *had* to be dressed in skimpy schoolgirl outfits, but the critics just don't get me... Anyways, remember to sear your filet with olive oil to get that premium taste!"
Boy do I love watching in depth video essays on topics I don't care about at all
You will,
Simply out of morbid curiosity
I like how the top comments are now not about how Dan was wrong, but about how the commenters saying Dan was wrong are wrong
It's a hate circle jerk about a thing that already happened 3 years ago and doesn't affect them whatsoever. Didn't before. But less so now.
Insanely rent free
Lol you're right
Would be funny if the Snyder cut was just triumph of the will with superman edited in.
Robert Michaels So, a Frank Miller relaunch of Superman?
He's not even doing anything substantial, he's just hanging out in the backgrounds of shots looking bored.
Wait wasnt that already man of steel?
Nicholas Reinmann You guys know that comparing Man of Steel (or any Zack Snyder movie for that matter) to Nazi propaganda is insane right?
People in the audience realized something was up when they noticed that the movie was really well directed.
I do find it passingly amusing that we have two "release the ___ Cut" movements, both relating to directors who I find have some fundamental problems in the way they tell stories. To jump on the other example, you could give JJ Abrams three hours but you'd still have an approach hinging on mysteries which serve only to make people curious rather than pay off in meaningful ways.
The Snyder Cut undermines nearly all my assumptions about filmmaking. I would assume that more time, more money, more freedom, etc. would result in a better movie, and yet...
@@scandalouspanda7489 He is the ultimate dude-bro and I love it! I enjoy most of his filmography for what it is: movies made by a guy who knows what he likes/finds cool and pumps it out. I'll never understand this intense hatred and adoration which he receives but that's twitter for you I suppose.
I mean the snyder cut is better than the original theatrical release, but thats just such a low bar to clear its hard to be positive about it
@@leaffinite2001it may be a hot take, but I disagree. It’s almost precisely the same story, but told with more random violence, more character stupidity, more plot holes, and a worse soundtrack.
Case in point, Martian Manhunter impersonating Martha “Why-did-you-say-that-name” Kent to get her to go back to work; something that Martha might do, that he wouldn’t do, and will gaslight her whenever Lois talks to her next.
I enjoyed it quite a lot, honestly. The only other Snack Snyder movie I've seen was 300, which I laughed at from start to finish for all the wrong reasons, but JL was good.
I've wondered if he didn't look at Josstice League and basically manage his own cut as a hybrid of his vision and a hypothetical Josstice League ver 1.1, since from what I've heard about the DCEU movies he directed it certainly seems like ZSJL took influence from JWJL. If I watched my big project get twisted and then crash and burn and I wanted to be petty about how much cooler my ideas were, I'd have no problem taking things from the release version and working them out with the extra time and feedback for my own purposes, especially in a context where I could credibly pass it off as that stuff being how I had done it before someone else mucked it up.
That said, there is definitely such a thing as "too much creative freedom" in a large project like this. It's rarer than the inverse, but there are absolutely movies which are much better because maverick directors and writers had bad ideas which got reigned in by studio execs who could tell things were going wrong. Not just "they were made more palatable for a mass audience", but "we saw the director's cut and it was worse by every metric compared to the theatrical cut" . No amount of resources can fix someone being a dumbass, sometimes you need saner minds to come in and clean things up. But directors are big names and they aren't going to admit that their newest masterpiece couldn't have happened without the valuable input of a bunch of crusty old suits.
@@kevlopz3374I just find his movies so boring aside from 300. It’s weird because I have an appreciation for Michael Bay but none for Zach Snyder. I know he’s a really good dude but l listened to a directors commentary of 300 and it was just painful lol
As a person who watched and enjoyed the Snyder cut, the point is still correct. There was no "Snyder Cut" until Zack Snyder had six months to cut and a few million dollars worth of new CGI. It's kinda sad a movie (problematic Zack Snyder uvra aside) I liked owes its existence to a weird vaguely alt-right internet thing.
Just for future reference, it's spelled "oeuvre."
@@hanklin2642 thank you
@@hanklin2642 that means "egg" right
Be careful, champ. First it starts with Justice League, but next you'll be cheering for the helicopter rides and death camps.
The alt-right, which famously loves "capeshit".
Imagine watching Man of Steel and Batman v Superman and thinking that the problem with Justice League was that Zack Snyder didn't have ENOUGH creative control.
Who would have thought this video would be so badly needed in December of 2019...
A follow-up video would be totally unnecessary because you got everything right, but I sooo want to see a follow up video about how you got everything right.
Coming back 4 years later just to say that they did a Snyder Cut, but maybe they shouldn't
You Can (Not) Fold Ideas
when this video's comments got split into '5 days ago' and '5 months ago' you know the DC fans were involved
"Shady-ass corporation, Disney,"
Got me howling
Final stats: It's estimated that finishing "The Synder Cut" cost between $40-70m. (Estimated $40m to finish post-production, with an additional $30m for the extra scenes Synder wanted added.) As this was being released for streaming, and not cinemas, WB allowed him to push the boat out with the reshoots. It was originally planned as a 6-episode mini-series, but somewhere along the way is became a single mega-cut (comprised of 6 "parts"): The final runtime was 242m. (Basically a totally different movie to whatever would have been released originally -- this was not "The Snyder Cut" that was in those canisters, but rather a whole new edit.)
It was released exclusively to HBO MAX on March 18, 2021. WB have not worked with him since.
It wasn't in cinema for the pandemy?
dan is uploading frequently again and i love it!
"Again, X-Men Origins is highly instructive" - A sentence that has never been said before, ever, for any reason.
What about, "Again, X-Men Origins is highly instructive in how to make a terrible comic book movie."