DVO ONYX SC D1 FORK | One Year Review
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- After one year with my DVO Onyx SC D1 170mm fork, I figured the time was right to share my experience so far. In this video I share with you what I like, don't like and future plans with DVO forks.
Is this the best mountain biking fork?
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I have an 3D print file for a piece of plastic that prevents this thing of the OTT to wind up,if someone wants one I can send it.
Hello Paulo, can me send the that file you have mentioned? Regards
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After riding rockshox, fox 36, and 38 factory, DVO is by far the best fork when it comes to small bump compliance. That OTT is👌🏾
💯 Agree!
can someone for the love of God explain to me why is everyone talking about OTT being the factor here?
My understanding may be wrong , but AFAIK what negative air chamber does in regular forks via equalization port, is what OTT does in this system with negative spring .
Negative spring is used for instance in suntour forks (and does not yield any awesome improvement of small bump sensitivity unlike with DVO), however lacking adjustability you gotta buy a different negative spring if the air pressure for your weight goes too hight/too low, otherwise you end up with a stiff off-the-top feeling or vice versa a fork that sits lower than its speced travel. DVO addresses this with a preload on the negative (right?) - a smart solution - which however means that for particular weight:air pressure, there is (~approx +-)one setting of OTT that applies for maximum plushness, going one way introduces harshness if the air pressure remains unchanged, going the other way will reduce my travel (at least with suntour construction, dunno abt dvo) as the positive spring will push the negative further into its travel to find the equalization point.
I assume the negative spring instead of the dedicated air chamber introduces one less o-ring seal, which would reduce some of the friction leading to less drag in the system, otherwise it still appears to me you are manually doing what equalization of the negative air chamber does normally.
regardless the above, imho people who are very limited in their riding abilities to be able to draw conclusions compare variously (not)serviced forks to variously broken-in forks with various dampers shimmed and set up to various damping levels and label this whole experience as "OTT is awesome man" .
@@_systemd It's difficult to understand what question you're trying to ask here. Your impression of how OTT works, and comparison to the Suntour negative coil are correct.
Talking about advantages of OTT compared to transfer ports on negative air springs, you can dial OTT for your specific preference for positive/negative force ratio (some like less or more), where a transfer port will always give you the same ratio according to your positive pressure.
Regarding people with less experience/understanding with their suspension performance, one thing everyone can differentiate between is how the fork feels in the "parking lot test". You can set up OTT so the fork feels really plush in the initial stroke, so maybe that has an effect on some initial impressions?
I've been riding a Diamond and Onyx for the past 3 years, OTT is a great feature, and the forks have been great.
Good review brother. Now I’m adding DVO suspension to the list of stuff I want but can’t afford 🤦🏾♂️
The struggle is real
Cool review, I've been using my Onyx SC just coming a year too. Did full rebuild and servicing myself now. My Onyx doesn't sound as noisy as yours thou. There's a small tick here and there on impact but on trail it's hardly noticeable, maybe a thicker waterproof grease would help on yours. I've got the OTT unwinding on the first couple months too. Been using the OTT cap and it's been good so far. If your doing 3d print make sure to use some sturdy material yet still have alittle flex in it, I think mine is petg, if the OTT cap is full solid it might crack overtime. My Onyx is a custom tuned, beside the damper tune another main difference is the oversize bushing, which you probably can request from DVO if your getting a new lower leg. Cheers
Appreciate the tips on the 3d print material and everything else. Will be looking into a custom tune myself. Thanks
Very nice. I’m looking at getting a Ripmo with this fork next year and moving away from my Fox factory 36. The Fox is nice and supportive riding high in the travel, but I do feel like it is a bit harsh on smaller chatter (and brake bumps at summit)
Right there with you. I too plan on another Ripmo with DVO. Summit is the place that made me realize how great the Onyx is. Super comfortable down the high speed chatter
Ripmo + DVO is a match made in heaven. Definitely look into getting a cascade link for the Ripmo too, that is a total game changer for the Ripmo as the stock rear suspension is rather linear.
@@mrvwbug4423 I did notice how linear it is. Was running 2 spacers in the positive chamber. Have been looking at the cascade link and will definitely get one.
@@mrvwbug4423 what is a cascade link?
Excellent review mang !! Lookin to get back on a DVO myself. Currently running Mezzer Pro. Excellent but not quit as plush from initial trav
Thanks man! I rode my buddy’s bike that has a Bomber Z1 coil and was so impressed, I jumped on one. Only two rides in and happy with it but too soon to say anything else
Do callibrating of the bushings. Really elevates the fork to another level
Really? I'm looking for a mezzer or dvo onyx 36. I've own both brands before and love it. I'm currently using a RS zeb ultimate but it's a bit boring. So I'm looking for those forks
Have you looked into getting a cascade link on your next Ripmo? I just installed one on mine and it is a total game changer for the Ripmo, no more blowing through the rear travel on a pebble. It manages to not only make it feel like it has 20mm more travel (you do get 4mm more travel on the AF for a total of 151mm), but also way smoother off the lip of a jump, and also smoother off the top.
Just learned about them (Cascade link). I’m tempted to get the AF as it’s more within reach, $$$, vs the V2. And like what you’re saying about the improvements that come with the cascade link
Hey brother , I know you've moved on from DVO and I know is kind of late but if you ever go back to the onyx. Dvo ended up using water proof grease which doesn't with the fork oil I think the clicking has to do with the coil loosing grease by mixing with the fork oil
Thanks for the helpful info!
The dark horse of MTB forks.
You might want to try a Manitou Mezzer, similar approach to user servicing etc. as DVO, and a bit more features, don't know how the damper feel compares to the DVO, however the spring is more supportive, or can be at least, that's the beuty- you have all the options.
I’ve heard this before about Manitou. If and when the opportunity presents itself to test one out, I definitely will. Thanks
Dvo has a feel all its own. DVO is great fork.
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Well that was a great review and I agree the green looks awesome but… I hate my onyx. It’s not necessarily the performance it’s the refinement. Mine is really noisy the air being released as it goes through the valves I don’t know what it is I just hate that fork I’ve already purchased a fox 38 to replace it
“It’s the refinement” I have to agree that it’s not quite where it needs to be. Thanks
Any chance you can tell me your weight and setup of your Onyx and Topaz (like PSI, LSC, HSC, LSR, OTT numbers of clicks)? I'm having trouble getting that supportive but still plush feeling that you talked about in your other video. Would be nice to compare what I've tried to fiddle with against someone's setup that is dialed (for you), to give ideas on what to try next.
Oh man, I wish I had saved my settings. I moved on and don’t have that info.
love the follow up!
Thanks man 👊
Thinks i hate at the Fork:
- Crap stickers. Text is seperating from the white underground
- Bad axle design. Do QR Axle to get for
- Crap Design. At RS you don't need a special tool and you don't need to screw or unscrew anything so overtighting is impossible. Also Glued in so you already see marks there if you change travel ones.
What i really like:
It does not say +/- it says plush/firm. So nearly impossible to do anything wrong there because you know what happens in which direction.
Travel change is also in less then 10mm increments possible since you can shorten this things.
Dvo is the best..
Why’d you sell the Ripmo? Didn’t you just get it?
Kind of a long story but the short answer is that i really liked the Ripmo and once I’m healed and my Firebird is sold, I plan to buy another Ripmo.
Making me want to trade in the ole zeb and try this bad boy out!
If you get the opportunity to, I say go for it 👊
Did you ever make that follow up fork service video?
I didn’t. Even though I serviced the Onyx like three times and changed the travel 🤦♂️ should’ve but didn’t.
DVO marketing guys are really good, making a feature into a selling point, OTT is just a preload adjustment for the negative coil spring that's in there, it's inferior to all other forms (mainly multiple spring weights and self equalising negative air chamber) but works well enough I guess.
The primary advantage - as far as I can tell- offered by DVO's OTT arrangement vs the more typical equalising negative air spring, found on most other forks, is that it enables DVO to remove one of the two air tight seals found in the aforementioned air spring. The preload feature meanwhile mitigates against the primary disadvantage associated with a coil negative spring, namely that it will only match the positive spring rate of a relatively small number of riders.
@@willyf1847 I guess that's true, however modern air springd have so little friction already, the bushings are the main concern for friction, not the spring.
Btw. they'd didn't go equalising chamber because if I recall correctly, RS had the patents for that, that's why Suntour went full equalising all of sudden- the patents expired.
The preload thing is all nice and perfect, if you only look at top out, at sag, aspecially if you run more than expected (eg. 30%) the negative spring is not as effective when outside the perfect window, I don't know about you, but I don't care about top out bump compliance 😜 I'm totally theorising here btw., this probably doesn't matter in the real world, just like one more seal does not matter, however, I have read that these forks work better, the faster and more aggressive you ride, so there might be something to it.
The most plush fork I ever rode was a Pike Debonair, it was super active at slow speed, however the damper is terrible and it just didn't work well as soon as I gained any speed over rough stuff, RS is totally overrated imo, I haven't ridden high end Fox stuff yet.
@@piciu256 try a manitou mezzer or ohlins fork.
@@dtran1742 I have a Mezzer lying in a box, need a bike to put it on though ;) But cycling by hand, even before riding, it seems the higher friction is no longer the case :)
My Mattoc has a much superior damper and air spring setup to what anyone else offers stock (Ohlins is close, but no HBO still) however, the small bump compliance was always lacking compared to RS or Fox.
@@piciu256 I'm currently on a lyrik and had a mezzer for a period of time before sending it back for warranty. Thought it was miles better than the lyrik or anything rockshox.
After you sell your bike, what are you thinking about getting?
Another Ripmo! That’s my plan.
Nice Info in the fork..but are u injured?
Thanks and yes, AC separation left shoulder from a spill I took a week ago.
@@MILTONATOR get well soon..that part of our hobby...
Hi thete
Is possible use the onyx with QR axle? Thank you
I’m not sure. That would be a question for DVO to answer, I think.
How does it's stiffness compare to other forks you've tried?
Solid just like the Lyrik and Fox 36. Now I’m on the Marzocchi Z1 coil fork and same level of stiffness.
@@MILTONATOR I just bought a gen 3 levo alloy that comes with a 36 rythm (same chassis as a Z1). Ive noticed some flex but it's hard to tell if it's the stock wheels or the fork, I was thinking of upgrading to a 38 or onyx if it was stiffer but doesn't sound like it
hey man got a spare bike for sale?
I don’t man, sorry
Yo encarge uno de eso para mi nueva bronson .. aver si no sale ruidoso jajajaja saludos viejon
Haha! Con el tiempo se silenció. Te va gustar eh!