Why I Am Building A Voron 3d Printer (And Why You May Want To)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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In todays video we talk about the Voron project. An awesome open source 3d printer project that has gained a ton of popularity over the past year. I decided to build the Voron 0.1 and in todays video we will discuss why. This video is for anyone wanting to build their own as I go over my reasons as well as some of the parts/tools I used or really anyone interested in learning more.
Voron Website:
vorondesign.com
Parts and tools used for build:
Linear Rails:
www.aliexpress.com/item/32880...
Voron V0 Frame:
www.printedsolid.com/products...
Bowden Tubing(AFF):
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_ArdTvW
ENERGETIC Powder Coated PEI Flexplate(AFF):
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AKMxk4
Triangle Labs BMG Extruder(AFF):
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AMLe2U
Voron V0 Acrylic Side Panels/Top Hat:
www.printedsolid.com/products...
www.printedsolid.com/products...
Voron V0 ACM Panels:
www.printedsolid.com/products...
Wowstick MINI 62 in 1 Electric Screwdriver(AFF):
amzn.to/3AUyzh5
Woodstock D4089 Machinist Square Set(AFF):
amzn.to/3xYWDgG
Engineers Precision Crimping Pliers PA-09(AFF):
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Ferrule Crimping Tool Kit, Preciva AWG23-7(AFF):
amzn.to/3xW5qjt
Loctite 222MS Low Strength Thread Locker(AFF):
amzn.to/3iSzB71
Stepper Motors:
www.omc-stepperonline.com/
Cast Aluminum Bed:
www.etsy.com/listing/92552676...
Print your own Voron V0 hardware organizer:
thangs.com/Modbot/Voron-01-Ha...
Channels mentioned or showcased in this video:
Greg's Maker Corner Voron 0.1 Playlist:
• Voron 0 Build Series
Josh Murrah Benchy Speed Test:
• Voron 2.4 5:20 speed B...
247printing Speed Test:
• 1000mm/s: RELAXED TEST...
CNC Kitchen Voron Video:
• Mini, Fast & Open-Sour...
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Great take on this process.
I like that you’re providing the community with more than a build video or speed test. Those have merit as well, but I really appreciate where you’re headed with this. Subscribed do to this one. Looking forward to the rest!
Ordered the LDO V0.1 kit a little bit ago, waiting for them all to arrive, and looking forward to the assembly process. Gonna be fun to do!
Great video.. thanks much for the callout!! :) Very much looking forward to seeing your build in action.
20:25 A key feature of that drawers cabinet is that inside the cabinet every drawer slot is covered on top, so parts won't fall out if the cabinet is transported, tipped over, etc. A great improvement over many off-the-shelf cabinets you can buy. Nice!
I love the wow stick. A friend got me one for Christmas in like 2018, I think. Whenever their Kickstarter ended and they went retail. Love it. Fantastic tool for something like this.
Thanks for a very informative video, you've convinced me to source by myself rather than a kit.
I'm looking forward to the next installment.
I have been wanting to build the 2.4, waiting on funding currently. Looking forward to seeing the end of this build, I really like the color of the frame.
Always great quality videos. Thanks!!
Hey Modbot, Great video! Started with the Voron V0 build and bought the Formbot kit containing parts for the V0.0 but I was building the V0.1. I had to order some extra parts to follow with the build.
looking forward to the build, my interest is peeked
Man, the custom screw organizer is a great application of 3D printing! It may not make sense to source + sell a custom organizer like that, but printing one just takes a few hours and it'll be so helpful.
Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Daniel,
I just started my Voron 2.4 build two weeks ago. All the mechanicals are done and I'm now working on the electronics. I ordered the kit from Formbot and a wire harness from an online source. I ordered the printed parts from someone who is just starting their printing business for Voron parts and am very happy with the quality. I've learned a lot of things during this build - the most important being to really look at the assembly instructions closely for part orientation, and to refer to the actual CAD drawing when in doubt.
Looking forward to see your progress.
Good choice of printer
Thanks for sharing your expirences with all of us :-)
I feel your pain w/ the amount of screws on the Voron. I built a Voron 2.1 a few years ago and, the bright side is, I now I have an awesome collection of metric screws.
haha I love the positivity. I also have a pretty great metric screw collection now :)
Have you ever built a V-Core3 ?? :D
If the voron project does not do anything further than make more 'Muricans realise the wonders of the metric system; its a win IMO. :)
(This was originally written to respond to someone wanting up to a 150^3 mm build space.)
There's really nothing stopping anyone from bumping the size up a bit. Longer rails, beams, belts, a larger build plate, printing surface, and probably want to use a CF "X" carriage and a better bed mount like the Kirigami.
It would make more sense to do this from a self-sourcing standpoint. However, what really drives this design is the use of standardized lengths of Makerbeams. Because not everyone has the means to accurately cut down lengths of metal. If someone were to build this from a kit and found that they truly, desperately, *needed* just 3 centimeters more, I think it'll cost in the neighborhood of 150-200 dollars in materials. (Vertical is the easiest axis to expand.)
If you could only have one printer at this price range, you'd probably be better off with something else unless you *know* that you need exactly this build space and need something super fast. Otherwise, I would consider this the ultimate "B-roll" printer for prototyping. Crank out the small mechanical bits that need good detail and thin layers. And even then, fold-up a tri-square of paper for reference and go around your home or office. A great deal of everyday items or assemblies break down to fit within this space. Because much larger wouldn't fit fit typical human hands or pockets.
I just started building a very similar Voron 0.1. Really excited to get it together, even though I expect many challenges since I’m going self sourced. Nice heads up on the Wowstick btw! Though sadly my first one was DOA the replacement seems to work well
I was planning on building the V2.4... Now I have already (just barely) was able to change my Print it forward service to print the Voron Trident that was JUST announced recently! :D
Finished my V2.4 this month. So far I love this machine. As a tip, use the PTFE wire and not the silicone wire.
You made my mind. Im getting one of this bad boys ASAP !
Thanks for the info, I plan on doing a 2.4 this winter and then a Trident after that going to try to make that one a dual extruder one.
Congrats on discovering “micro powertools”! 😊 They are awesome! I use them to; although prefer one where you can both vary the speed and torque. To high drilling-speed causes build-up of heat in the material (mostly relevant for plastic), which may cause damage to the threads. And the torque-part is probably obvious. I typically use a compact 12V battery drill for those reasons. I also use hex-wrenches typically used for RC, with sturdy and comfortable handles on them; and much higher quality tips than those “free” wrenches that comes with everything, including Ikea furniture. I honestly don’t get why anyone would be using those, other than for emergencies (when you don’t have, or can’t find, the right type). 😊
Extruder: tried the same, the got to order the Bondtech shaft assembly separately, because the tolerances on the bobo extruder weren't the same.
Engineer crimpers, work great on good terminals, but I wasted a lot of wire on the sourcing guide JST-XH terminals. I ended up ordering the iwiss crimpers, and no more problems.
Tools, Bondhus 74686 set of hex drivers with Prohold tip are truly lifesaving. I do need to warranty my 2mm, because it is worn out, but the prohold is great.
I think you'll be pleased with the build. I really enjoyed it. Double check nut count during assembly, nothing more frustrating than to have to disassemble the frame to insert those 3x M3 hex nuts that you somehow missed on the initial assembly.
Just finished my 0.1 at about the same time people were getting round 1 of the VDO kits. (Made me want to order a second V0.1.)
I’m sure some of your viewers fly quads as well. The wow stick is awesome for assembling carbon fiber frames as well.
I've been seriously contemplating building a V0, mostly to print more "functional", mechanical parts (along with an SLA printer for prettier parts :). I'm looking forward to seeing this series!
now is prime time to build one with the v0.1 being released
Did you ever build one?
Good choice I just finished my second Voron and could not be happier. The guys do an amazing job of providing all the information that you need. And there seems to be lots and lots of projects to specialize these till your heart's content.
I cannot remember if you said already but are you going to build the Trident? They really are a modders dream at least as far as customization goes with all of the available mods in the github.
@@ModBotArmy yeah trident is my next one but gonna be a few months before I start that one.
Dope video dude 🤙
Nice work
Thanks!
I ordered LDO kit V0.1 last week, should arrive within two weeks. Now I'm looking for some filament with the right color to match with LDO parts.
about time buddy
Love my wowstick.. I also make cases for them on my etsy store. They sell alot. I love the thing. Someone with bad arthritis in the hands. I want to build the voron 2.4 soon. But my sla printers have most of my attention.
Nice overview with whole voron project !!! Btw i myself have wowstick its a nice tools speeds up everything. My v2.4 was assembled using manual tools but for VL got wowstick. And deffinately was worth it. Btw it has inbuild cluch thus it can be used as manual screwdriver. Thus while motor exceeds its capability dont switch tools, just use wowstick as screwdriver!
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I myself purchased an Ender 3 on the premise of learning more about 3D printing. And for that it still an excellent printer. But eventually I’m thinking about upgrading to a Core XY machine like the Voron
Me too, but hybrid.... I've been looking at the hypercube evolution as well as they are similar
voron...
Ordered a 0.1 LDO kit, it will hopefully be my first reliable printer besides the resin printers. Also will be the first one I build myself as a kit, so watching and reading tons on the build. Will be great to follow your journey.
Already planning the next one, even tho I will have to wait yet another month for the LDO kit to reach me. :D
I don't get precision electric screwdrivers like the wow stick you recommended. The iFixit bit set has a nice machined aluminum handle and a ball bearing rotating cap. It is a pleasure to use, and I never have to worry about batteries both in the moment and creating ewaste when the battery eventually craps out. also have a set of wiha's that are great.
I've been looking at the voron design and the hypercube evolution.
I've been ordering parts and picking them out as I have a frame size of 750mmx750.
So not a small frame and I'm using 4040 as the main frame with a 2020, or 1030 bed.
The reason for this is the weights. The 4040 is about the same as a 2020 if not more, but with the difference in hardware the parts are also different.
Design changes are going to be that the fan/cooling will not be head mounted.
The tool head has to be interchangeable.
I've a Bowden and a direct drive heads for it as well as a CNC.
This of course means bed changes....
And locking bed requirements, which all have to be interoperable.
I'm putting all that aerospace engineering into the build and some hardware prices are crazy.. billet bed... £££
The control hardware is a bit of a bigger project than most would like I'm sure.
A pi, a ESP32, relay controller (mains power) camera, lights and also a CNC motor controller. Which the pi or ESP can control.
I'm waiting on parts and it's frustrating that some parts come before others and you can't really start a build till it's all in. And as a "project in motion" things change so other parts are needed..
I'm also using analogue and optical end stops...
But the more I'm paying the more I'm thinking of making things more easy!
Might be an idea to print off some Allen Key Handles Modbot! they help alot, great video as always!
I don’t know why I haven’t done that lol. Now that you mention it I have definitely seen them on thingiverse in the past. I am going to print out a set to at least have when I want to use them. Thank you 😬
@@ModBotArmy if I may make a suggestion, I have a set of allen wrenches with handles, and the handles don't do well in tight places. When looking for a handle, don't get a hand-sized one like the ones you buy in hardware stores. You'll find in certain situations, those will be much too big to manoeuvre in tight places. Smaller ones might server you better. My $0.02CDN!
@@ModBotArmy Anytime man, keep up the great work! Love the videos!
Like the video.
Any feedback on the Ratrig V-Core-3 vs the Voron?
Looking forward to the after completion review, mods & things to know.
Thanks
Had I known about Voron before I bought my FDM printer I would have built one of those first...
For tools, I ordered a noname version of Ifixit from amazon. Absolute need for all screws, nuts etc.
I am working on my 2.4 right now.
* the v1 is now called Trident as it has triple z bed leveling
No plans yet but it's on my RADAR now.
When you do make your video please remember print speeds in mm/s don't mean crap. Tell us acceleration+speed+jerk for OUTER PERIMETERS together. No RUclipsr does that... Also tell us If that's with I out shaper or not.
If you use I out shaper check dimensional and hole accuracy too
i love my 0.1 but there was definitely a fair few parts of the build where some stuff is just assumed the builder knows. also I'll likely get some flack for this, but on the V0 I honestly don't think Klipper is worth the hassle to set it up, if I were doing it again I might get the skr e3 reprap board and forgo the pi and klipper entirely. its super easy to get the NEMA14s to skip steps at normal speeds in my experience so yeah
That's totally valid.
I personally used klipper and it's not hard to. Tho for a tool charger marlin is way too lacking.
Somethings wrong if you nema14's are skipping at normal speed
Just finished building my voron 2.4 kit (metbro / fysetc), and the quality was in a very broad spectrum. Most of the printed parts included where from out of date versions, hardware mismatch (wrong drag chain adapters). Aluminum parts kit made it difficult to work with the instructions. The aluminium bed was an absolute half pipe. Stuff like Aluminium extrusions / acyl panels where very good, and the wiring loom the worst i have ever seen with non motion rated aluminium cables. Had to modify a bunch of parts to make it work. For someone who has no 3D printer this would have been an impossible project. Hall effect sensors for XY endstops are the worst option due to thermal drift in the enclosure/ magnetic interference with klicky probe, my Inductive probe was DoA.
But after a month of work i now got a printer that works and with still a billion screws left over form the kit.
My kit was a mess but still manageable if you throw the instructions out the window and just focus on the CAD.
Yes i deliberately ignored the advice to build a vanilla voron first and then modify, and started out with way to many mods.
Was fun tho to find all these little solutions to tile this giant pile of hardware together.
Loctite comes in 3 colors, red, blue and purple. Red is permanent, Blue is non-slip, and Purple is in between. There are different grades within each color, for like temperature and chemical resistance, but for most 3D printer related use, you’ll want the blue. Once the red fully sets, the only way anything is coming apart is in pieces, liquified, or melted.
The 2.4 looks really nice to me, but with my Ender 5 Plus upgrades, I don’t need one. Plus, like you, I don’t have the space for it. 😉
You could always sell one of your existing large printers and replace it with a larger Voron. :) I want to build a V Core 3. :)
Great video thanks for the tips. Already planning to build one of these down the road. I'm curious though would you recommend a Voron build to be used as a workhorse for a small business or would something more established like a Prusa be a better investment? Love both companies, but the design and feature set of the Voron has me very intrigued. Just seems like everyone building a Voron is just doing it as a fun project or speed test rig but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using one as their daily driver. Thanks!
Hi Anthony I see no one have answered you. I myself own several printers Creality and a Prusa and I'm currently at the build of a Voron 2.4. I would advice if your budget allows it to first buy a Prusa, it is an awesome machine very precise, is not as fast as a Voron, but the Voron build is a bit complicated if you have not build a printer before. After you assemble a prusa and tweak it is an awesome precise printer, again not as fast maybe in time you can buy the voron. Problem in my view about the zero is that for a small bussiness the print volume might not be as high as you expect. You need to have that into accouint what are you going to print. Anyway I hope I helped...
Of course there is always a thing, that is just slightly bigger than the printer you have, 120^3 mm might just a bit too small for me. Lots of my past prints I made with my Creality printer are between 12 and 15 cm. I'd really prefer the Voron v0.1 to cover 150^3 mm.
To believe that the Klipper firmware needs a Raspberry Pi is a common misconception. In fact Klipper needs a device that is able to run Python. Linux powered devices are preferred. I use multiple Odroid SBCs and an ASUS Tinkerboard without this overheating and undervoltage issues that are common for the RPIs.
Niiiice!
Emax fpv screwdriver $10 has been extremely helpful for me
Trying to decide which Voron to build and still undecided on kit or inventory what I have, replace or buy parts needed.
For screwing things in, I would recommend either getting a set of 1/4" shank allen head bits and a stubby screwdriver or some Bondhus or equivalent t-handle short allen keys. The only problem with Bondhus is that they only go down to 2mm so you would need to use something else for 1.5mm like the hex shank bits.
My Bondhus set has 1.5 and 1.27mm. Pretty sure I got these at my hobby shop quite a few years ago.
Edit: Bondhus #10687
@@williamgreen3316 Is your Bondhus set the L shaped type or the T-Handle type? I have an L shaped set that does include the smaller sizes. But for comfort the rubber coated T-Handle are a lot better in my opinion.
@@davidsherrick8633 straight screwdriver type handle.
pretty sure I want a 2.4 first, but been considering a .1 for work. (just here for the algorithm, you know this from discord prolly;p)
will you do a review of the ultembase pei glass?
I have an ender 3. Looking to upgrade. I was thinking of Buying a Prusa i3 cause i dont want to invest time in building something, but someone recommended a Voron. So here mes, looking to possibly built a printer. Id possibly go with the trident ( with the bed that moves down)
Can you even still get the Dragon hotend, I thought it was pulled from the market?
So many details and side commentary. 🙂. Time Codes would be great to get to the meat of your build choices. Print Safe!
I have such mixed feels about time codes. With that being said this was almost 10 minutes longer than my average video so I can definitely see your point. Something I will have to consider on longer videos in the future :)
@@ModBotArmy I understand keeping retention times and those RUclips metrics. You really went down the rabbit hole describe past projects. I was kind of hoping you would detail the differences between each. Voron type 🙂. Again just constructive criticism since I watched the entire video but was tempted to slide around to get on track.
after I buy this mars 3, ill be building a voron 2
Those quick benchies are very unrealstic tbh. Voron is faster than most but those quick benchies mean nothing. What matters is max speed that actually keeps tolerances and good looks.
Vzbot is also incredible check that out
personal tip: get a good "manual" scredriver kit, like an iFixit Mako, and get familiar with it, you're going to go much faster than with a wowstick and imho it's much more versatile
How does the print quality and user experience compare to a Prusa?
and there's me 13 years old wanting to make one.
I'm planning on building an all-metal liquid cooled voron 2.4 with a heated chamber.... Unfortunately it will have to wait for at least a few months while I recover financially from my layer fused x501 build that I just finished......
Where to find printed parts files in STL format?
If this was 150x150 or better 180 180 I'd make one but 120mm is very niche
i'm building a V0.2, so i can say to myself "oh now i can print the parts for the 2.4" and build a 2.4 later
The announcement of trident made me want to build another printer lmao
I'd just use a cordless drill with extension for tiny bits.
is it possible to build a voron 3d printer with custom measures like 800 x 800 x 800 cm ?
I need over the next couple weeks. I think a kid is better just for the fact that you don’t pay an extra $300 and shipping sourcing everything and paying shipping charges from seven different companies.
Hahahahaha why are your eyes looking at different directions in your thumbnail? 😂
Are the board level schematics available for making your own PCBs? some of the adapters and stuff look very dinky and a little amateur IMO. The availability of raspberry pis for the foreseeable future would seem problematic. Very interesting design though. I'm looking at a voron 2.4 or whatever replaces it at some point in the next few months, when I can take my time going OTT :)
I would be surprised if you werent able to use a proper T bar torx/hex driver and go faster, more accurately and be able to tighten it correctly all in the one motion, quicker than the wow stick; with a bit of practice. if you have to double handle/finish each fastener by hand with a second tool, I would think you would very quickly eat away any time saved by using it. Better than having too much torque on an automatic driver and stripping it though. the electric drivers are great for UN-fastening things however.
Should have used gridfinity to organize the fasteners 😂
What source do recommend for the wiring harness?
I am building my own so I am not entirely sure. I know LDO has one in their kit but cannot swear that it is sold separately 🤔
40 links but no link to VORON website !!! Really ?
Also a thank you to the design team would not hurt for sure, the amount of work that went into those printers is astonishing and it is free !
Link was supposed to be there and has been added. Also the printer still needs to be built. 👍
@@ModBotArmy Nice, thank you.
I missed when you said it, how many sheckels so far?
It is tough to calculate with so many extra and tools but I would say $800ish. That is not included tools or the few items I already had.
Why did you build the voron over the hevort?
Has anyone gone to the voron site lately? it seems like they removed all the pages aside from the main page and merch page
Why go with a raspberry pie when there are other boards out there that will do what you what the printer to do? I would like to see all 3D printers using 40mm X 40mm extrusions at the very least. I would always use a wire wheel or or buffer wheels to clean up all the rough edges.
How accurate is this printer to Ender printers?
I currently have my eyes on the ratrig. I just finished modding my ender 3 pro (if there is such a thing as finishing modding an ender), and want something more. What's your opinion on Voron 2.4 vs ratrig?
How can he give you his opinion on 2 printers he doesn't own? To my knowledge no big youtuber currently own both, one or the other yes. Tom have a 2.4, as does Nero of course and Adam (Vector3D) has a ratrig and he currently planning a 2.4. Maybe go watch a few videos and make your own opinion.
both are great printers, I don't own a ratrig but the main diference is the Z axis and the gantry, V2.4 has something like a floating gantry so it has a stationary bed on the other hand rart has 3 point kinematic bed, also the new voron trident (V1.8 succesor) is more like a ratrig than the v2.4
Oh, forgot. Those PCBs, where can I pick some up? I am in the EU.
👍😎👍
Voron 2.4 300mm
Building mine after seeing that 5 min benchy
without breaking the bank, haha right
Do you need a Raspberry Pi to use a Voron?
I would be glad to accept a donation in the form of a 3D Printer. Help you free up some space ☺️
The Wowstick battery is bad, I have owned one for 2 years and hardly ever use it as the battery dies after about 8 to ten decent length screws. Get yourself a Jakeby electronics tool kit costs about $15us and has all the bits in it and two ratchet handles.
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Voron... more like Boron. O'doul rules
Looks like a really fun project and a very solid machine, but I can't see myself spending so much on something so small. I'm sure a lot of people going for these will use them to make money.
That is fair, the other versions are likely going to be attractive then. I feel the project is definitely not for everyone but for those interested it really is pretty great (so far). And absolutely, I think anyone with a 3d printer has the potential to make some money should they want to. If nothing else to make back what was spent on the build :)
@@ModBotArmy Appreciate the response! I have a few average-priced machines of various sizes that I have enjoyed upgrading and tinkering with over the years. I'm sure once I outgrow those I'll be revisiting what Voron has to offer. Looking forward to your next update to learn more.
Is it me or does this video loop?
Could you leave a contact，I wanna tell you something
Makes me sad that all the RUclipsrs are going for the memes and not building something actually good.