On the manual blip heal toe down shift you mentioned, you have to wait until the you shift out of the higher gear before you blip the throttle, once the shifter is out of the higher gate, in neutral, or in the downshifted gear, the computer will allow the engine blip/rev freely for proper manual heel toe downshifts. I agree it is a bit annoying not to be able to start the blip while in the higher gear, but once you get used to blipping the throttle mid-gear change the manual heel toe process works great. It just adds another element of timing to get correct on your down shifts. Hope this is helpful, give it a try.
I absolutely 100% agree with you on the heel-toe problem - I have the exact same issue with my 2018 GT3 manual. It's the worst choking feeling as the nannies suppress what should be a beautifully free revving engine. It is my one and only big complaint about the GT3, otherwise, I consider it the best car I've ever owned and a lifetime keeper. I daily drive mine. Drove it from Seattle to California for a track weekend at thunderhill last week (2300 miles round trip) and will be doing the same for a trip down to Laguna Seca next month (~3000 miles round trip). Currently sitting around 12k glorious miles. The heel toe problem is related to Porsche's no-lift-upshift coding. Essentially, the ECU thinks that when you press the clutch in and then press on the throttle, that you are planning on no lift upshifting, so it holds the revs constant. Problem is the thresholds for this are way out of wack. It should only engage no lift upshifting if you are sitting at 100% throttle (hence, NO LIFT upshift). If throttle percentage is 95% or lower, it should allow the engine to rev freely. I hope a tuner can sort that feature out - I will gladly pay to update the ECU code to get rid of no lift upshifting, which is a gimmick at best and potentially catastrophic at worst.
That's an easy one to answer mate. Jealousy. Why subscribe an watch something that you're jealous of. Try an get your brain around that one. Anyway we hope you are both keeping well an hopefully meet up soon take care
It's so refreshing to hear a true enthusiast: I'm so pleased you're using your car as a daily and intend to get some REAL use out of it. Although I only have a lowly 991.1 C4S it's all the car I could want and despite being told I would ruin the value if I piled on the miles, I never think about how far I'm driving because life in the car is so much more enjoyable than life out of it... Keep up the great work and enjoying your Touring 👍
Mine doesn’t do that. I can give it a good rev between gears. In fact I use that very tactic to give a nice boom when coming up behind slower cars on the autobahn to let them know I’m there. 6 to 5 to 4. Maybe even 3 if under 120. Boom. Boom. Boom. Then a nice wringing to 9 which is about 175 km in 3 and then 225 in 4. Leaves the autobahn and the citizens awash in exhaust scream. I seem to get out half the time with ringing ears and talking very loudly. If you get to Germany, check out the roads on the southern side of the Mosel river from Koblenz to Trier that go up and down to the river. Not much traffic and lots of fun. And the 3 south of Frankfurt towards Munich. And then the Grossglockner in Austria. Stay on the hill so you can drive the road at dawn before the toll road opens and the citizens turn up. Best road in Europe. Got a nice picture of mine and a Speedster together up there. Would always have the Touring above a Speedster. And yes a total keeper.
Haha, a Turbo S isn't exactly a sensible daily from a price perspective. But it's definitely the best daily for most people if money were no issue. It'd be a hard pick between the touring and turbo S for best daily.
@@Carlos-wm6ev race car? You must joking, right? This is a road car... a FXX is race car... a GT3 is a road car able to do some track use, but it’s not a race car...
Because they are mostly used as shelves. You could maybe put a baby or two, but that's it and for some short drives, because the car would be space restrained for baby stuff space. Not disagreeing, a kid or a dog space would not hurt, but it did well without them, while protecting the gt3 image, saving some extra pennies and no one really cared.
Another quick question; Do you have a favourite watch for each car? IOW do you think of a car to drive that day and then pick a particular watch to go with it?
Nice and nerdy "why I so love my 911 Touring" video Damian - you clearly love using it from evidence of the dirty wiper blade marks in the top right of the windscreen - My only question: when will you marry it? - LOL! - Good Luck!
Brake throttle override! Almost all new cars do it meaning you can't heel and toe. Its due to a fatal crash in a totota in the US a few years ago. The legislation means you cannot brake and accelerate at the same time. Another reason new cars are becoming less desirable. Stranglely Donald Trump overruled it last year as it turned out the accident was due to the floor mat getting stuck and not an engine management issue. However for some reason most manufacturers have decide to keep the brake throttle override.
@@TheCarGuysTV PS I think it may not be the case in sport plus? I also think if the clutch is fully depressed, not half way up / down it seems to by pass the override. At least it does in my Exige. My 981 Spyder was fine. Some cars seem to have it and some don't, its all very odd but most 'sports' cars seem to have a secret work around like one of the methods above, that the legislators miss. Try a few different clutch positions and sport plus?
That's down to personal preference. The buckets look cool, but they are a git to get in and out of. I think there's an inbetween seat that's probably a good compromise.
@@TheCarGuysTV Thanks, that's my dilemma looks against getting in/out...they have dropped the mid option now..it's either full buckets or standard seats....the fact you opted for standard seats in you Spyder kind of answers the question
Are you out of your mind ... to skip a new Touring ... you know how you should skip it ...How's about don't buy it... that's how you can skip it lol ... oh poor baby"s apple car play doesn't load fast enough ... as far as im concerned there shouldn't be an F IN Radio in a GT3 PERIOD ... with that Engine Sound Track ... Do yourself a favor and don't use a GT3 as daily Driver ... Go Buy an F IN Minivan for your Pod casting Daily's Ninny lol .....thanks for sharing ...Just Playing ... Cheers Damian .....Fada Fayda Fada Caravan .... Brad Pitt ..Snatch lol
Stopped watching when you said you wish there was no new Touring and Porsche stopped making every variant again. That's like saying you wish only you could enjoy this car and no one else, because anyone else getting to enjoy it makes it less 'special'. I don't share that view at all.
I don’t have an issue Rev matching in my Touring. Heeling and toeing is fine so find this really odd. Have you had it checked out? Otherwise agree with what you say, I think best car I’ve ever had.
I saw you driving it through Lymington the other week, it's got such presence on the road. Looked fab! That heel & toe-stopping feature would drive me insane on this car, I wonder if there is a way of re-programming the ecu to stop it from doing that?
I own a 2019 GT3 Touring and with sport mode off I can heel and toe the revs as high as I want. Not sure why you can't in your car. One other tip. If you put the car in neutral while in motion you can rev the motor as high as you want. This is a forever car for me too! 12,000 miles on mine already. Love it!
Porsche makes cars for cars lovers. 911 R is made for collectors but Porsche didn't forget those who like driving great cars, so they made the gt3 touring who's more affordable but still great. They respect theirs clients. Let's hope they'll continue to do so for long. Long live naturally aspirated engines.
Seriously why the f*ck doesn't this channel have more subscribers? It is literally the most informative, least annoying car youtube channel around! Keep it up guys! Loving it!
Awesome review, I couldn't agree with your points more - not just about how great it is, but also about the Touring moniker. I'm glad that was the only part of the car that seems to have been an afterthought - blame the marketing department! ;) I have had mine for almost 3 years and it is the first car out of about 50 cars I've had that I plan to keep forever - a status I thought no car would ever earn with me. It is certainly better than all the rest. Over 30,000 miles (or perhaps much more!) and going super strong still! I am not sure how many track days I've been to, but it's handled them all perfectly.
@@TheCarGuysTV what would you have more appropriately named this model of Porsche if you didn't have to worry about upsetting 911R owners like Porsche had to do? I would have named it either: 1. 911 GT - simple, straightforward, shouldn't bother 911R or GT3 owners, and doesn't imply it's a soft version. Bonus: it was written on the first GT car (993 GT2) 2. Carrera R - obviously would piss of 911R owners, but follows the precedent of Cayman R.
I share similar feelings of the GT3 Touring! I’m a little biased as I have one in the same spec (with the ceramics) and I will never sell this car. I agree wholeheartedly that this one is for life. (I’d love a 911r to admire in my garage though!)
I absolutely love my 991.2 gt3, faultless. I’m about to change the tyres and thinking about the Michelin 4 s sport instead of the cup 2 which are a bit sketchy in the wet. Do you have any views, I couldn’t see what tyres you had on. Great owners video review by the way.
Ive been thinking the same thing. Did you do the 4s and what did you think? I often wonder if the Cup3 aren’t too much tyre for the road as its almost too sticky as not to be playful.
@@andrewmorten4948 they have been really good so far, allowed me to use the car in the wet and cold without the issues of the cup tyres. I’ve done a test day at millbrook on them and the dry grip was still brilliant. No regrets
@@ghowells5433 Thanks for that. How’s the turn in on the road? Does the nose feel as sharp, and still eager and keen on hitting the apex’s, or do you need to steer at the apex more. I find with the cup tyres its a case of I think, It does. I like that. I do often think though that’s its got too much grip. That said, I’ve also spun the rears in 4th on a damp autobahn at 140kmh at half throttle. And i always have to watch the weather and if its wet then i don’t go, so it makes planning trips really hard especially as i go to the alps whenever i can and often do 12 hour days in it.... im happy i have the 18 way sofas.
Here I am nearly two years after you posted this video. So a belated "thank you" for a very lovely and thoughtful video. I had a 991.2 GT3 and loved it as a daily driver. I now have a 992 Turbo S as it was better suited for our home in Old Town Alexandria, VA where I lived at the time - a historic area with homes from the late 1700s, a couple cobblestone streets and a thriving restaurant where George Washington, Benjamin Franklin joined other friends for dinner. BTW, I had asked a question after watching your Turbo S review (Clive's Guards Red TTS) wondering if he had the Sport-PASM suspension based on your comments about the ride. Here in the U.S. on the Rennlist Member Forum, the divide between regular and S-PASM is as set in concrete as firmly as the debates about PDK vs. manual transmission, winged vs. Touring GT3 and the two political parties. I have regular PASM and am totally happy with it and I like a firm ride and sometimes drove my GT3 with the suspension in track mode. Aside from an automatic family sedan, I always had a manual transmission sports/sporty car until 2010 when cars like 911 Turbo were only available with PDK. I loved double-clutch, heel-and-toe downshifting so I was aghast and disappointed to learn that it might not be fully defeatable. Last week I visited a Porsche dealer where I've purchased cars in the past. I was told that it is defeatable in the 992 generation. I hope that is true because the experience that you described in a race-bred sports car is hugely disappointing. At the risk of winning an award for the longest comment in the history of YouTubism, I will close. Oh, wait. Here is a video of my 991.2 GT3 that I did with a friend four years ago. Cheers! Love your videos! ruclips.net/video/52g-vxLKYxI/видео.html
That heel-n-toe issue you mentioned seems unusual. Mine works fine. Have your OPC look into this. You're right, this car is for life. As Jerry Seinfeld says, it's a dead man's car.
great video thanks Damien! awesome class car choice, just had no idea that the soft limiter stops rev matching at higher RPM, seems crazy to do that to a performance car, presumably this isn't the same for the regular GT3 manual?
You won’t be surprised to hear my broken record comment: „fabulous summary and good to see a fellow Touring user enjoying the car in daily life !“. Let’s connect when you come to Germany. Are you replacing the tires with Cup-2 or consider something more winter ready ?
Is this a 2019 GT3 Touring? Seems the GT3 is no longer on the website for 2020. If I could afford a GT3 it would be the base model or the Touring (PDK if they offered it...odd they don't..yet).
Thank you for video ... My Touring came alive with Dundon Motorsports Street headers and intake -38lbs ... power increase 50lbs torque in mid range, Antigravity lithium battery -35lbs and BBS FIR wheels -24lbs combined reduces 100 lbs weight ... love the ethos of pure drivers road car
About the rev match...I don't think other GT3 manuals' got the same problem. I've seen other owner's revving just like a normal manual gearbox. In this video, it looked just like an imperfect rev match. If Porsche really calibrated the manual gearbox this way, the whole experience is a ruin. Any GT3 Touring owners here to confirm this rev matching problem?
Damian ever thinking of driving it towards the end of Europe :D would really like to meet you and have a chat in Turkey :D Hope to do it in England one day too :)
What’s happening is he’s not coming off the throttle when he’s downshifting and the car thinks it’s supposed to be flat shifting. That’s a major error in this video. My touring has zero issue with manual heel and toe and is one of the best I’ve driven. All 991 manual GT3s and R’s are the same. Maybe poster can’t heel and toe properly?
I keep going back and forth on whether to just lump up the cash and get one of these. I'm interested in the point you said about not being able to turn off autoblip. Oddly I've driven a normal 991.2 gt3 and without sport mode on there didn't seem to be any odd interactions whatsoever. Did they change something in this car? You should come on the podcast at some point, would be nice to meet.
oh and keep up the videos. I like checking in occasionally to see what x,y,z are like from an ownership perspective. It's very different when someone has stumped up their own cash or seriously considering purchasing/not purchasing something. Cheers Sam
What you are saying Archie Hamilton ‘Racing’ isn’t being true to himself. He only likes a car while the video is in production. This Porker is like a T5R V70 in black over black for the Volvotron circles. It is the one to get and keep. Take care Damo. Where is your mate and YT better half this video btw
I like the idea of having and driving the car as much as you want...That is exactly why i follow your channel and what cars are made for. Porsche used to be known as drivers cars so i cannot possibly understand how the Alliance against fun got involved in the project and mangled the electronics to prevent a proper heel and toe. I could understand maybe if it was that way for first gear to protect the engine against a money shift but I'll never understand how anyone at Porsche thought it was a great idea to sell a manual shift car with half the fun of actually driving a manual electronically neutered...How can you possibly make time down a twisty road when you have to lug the engine out of every 2nd and 3rd gear corner? very disappointing "feature" indeed. I know i would be searching for a way to disable it.... especially a car i planned to keep for the long haul. Cheers!
Could you modify the heel/toe behavior with an obdII tool? Love your GT3...I could live with that spec forever....gorgeous. Any road trips coming up? The alps episode was fantastic.
I equally love my black gt3 touring, I am tempted to upgrade to 992 if it’s only limited to Manual transmission because I think that might be the last generation with 4L NA
Great roundup, great car, I’d personally have to swap the gauges to white though. I’m on my 3rd 911 and can’t see a day when I don’t have one. Those that know why know why.
I find your remark concerning the size of the 992 very interesting ! I agree: all the cars are becoming too big. My 997GT3 is the perfect size... in my opinion. Previously I had a Ferrari 355, that was perfectly sized as well. I love the 458, but it’s so big. Do you prefer your 718 over the 991, sizewise?
Great video as normal Damian and the GT3 Touring would definitely be in my garage, I do think you should give an Aston Martin V12 S AMR manual a look as well, I'd definitely have one alongside the GT3 Touring.
I have a simple solution for your podcast volume gripe! Just leave your pcm in the ‘media’ page before you plug in your phone. That way when you turn it on, it opens up on media mode and nothing is playing *silence*. Then you proceed to plug your phone in!
How about a video with Jason. Your top 10 most exciting cars , each of you have driven. Not always the fastest cars are the most fun. Even slow cars can be a lot of fun.
Thanks for the honest assessment and costs. Refteshing to have an owner who Appreciates what they have.Nice to see someone who actually drives it,owns it ,and pays for it. Enjoy every second in it. Thanks as ever for sharing 👌😎 Stay safe.
"Touring is the worst word that Porsche has chosen for a car since they decided to use Turbo for the Taycan..."... except they called this a Touring before the Taycan Turbo existed.
Laughed when you gave Meridian Ferrari a cheeky glance while driving through Lyndhurst, always looking for another car!!
😂😂😂
On the manual blip heal toe down shift you mentioned, you have to wait until the you shift out of the higher gear before you blip the throttle, once the shifter is out of the higher gate, in neutral, or in the downshifted gear, the computer will allow the engine blip/rev freely for proper manual heel toe downshifts. I agree it is a bit annoying not to be able to start the blip while in the higher gear, but once you get used to blipping the throttle mid-gear change the manual heel toe process works great. It just adds another element of timing to get correct on your down shifts. Hope this is helpful, give it a try.
The GT3 Touring is one of those rare cars that does it all.
I absolutely 100% agree with you on the heel-toe problem - I have the exact same issue with my 2018 GT3 manual. It's the worst choking feeling as the nannies suppress what should be a beautifully free revving engine. It is my one and only big complaint about the GT3, otherwise, I consider it the best car I've ever owned and a lifetime keeper. I daily drive mine. Drove it from Seattle to California for a track weekend at thunderhill last week (2300 miles round trip) and will be doing the same for a trip down to Laguna Seca next month (~3000 miles round trip). Currently sitting around 12k glorious miles.
The heel toe problem is related to Porsche's no-lift-upshift coding. Essentially, the ECU thinks that when you press the clutch in and then press on the throttle, that you are planning on no lift upshifting, so it holds the revs constant. Problem is the thresholds for this are way out of wack. It should only engage no lift upshifting if you are sitting at 100% throttle (hence, NO LIFT upshift). If throttle percentage is 95% or lower, it should allow the engine to rev freely. I hope a tuner can sort that feature out - I will gladly pay to update the ECU code to get rid of no lift upshifting, which is a gimmick at best and potentially catastrophic at worst.
Interesting - you are the first person to verify it
Surely this is a deal breaker? What's the point of a manual that you can't rev match or heel and toe?
First 3 cowardly anonymous 'Dislikes' appear. If only they had the balls to actually say why...
That’s Ferrari drivers for you....! 😉
Pricks that work for Yianni?
Jealousy?
That's an easy one to answer mate. Jealousy. Why subscribe an watch something that you're jealous of. Try an get your brain around that one. Anyway we hope you are both keeping well an hopefully meet up soon take care
Fantastic content to be fair. Balanced, fair and two likeable car guys. Keep up the great videos! You get my like
It's so refreshing to hear a true enthusiast: I'm so pleased you're using your car as a daily and intend to get some REAL use out of it.
Although I only have a lowly 991.1 C4S it's all the car I could want and despite being told I would ruin the value if I piled on the miles, I never think about how far I'm driving because life in the car is so much more enjoyable than life out of it...
Keep up the great work and enjoying your Touring 👍
Cheers, Mark. Nothing wrong with a C4S. Perfect daily driver.
@@TheCarGuysTV Thanks Damian!
Mine doesn’t do that. I can give it a good rev between gears. In fact I use that very tactic to give a nice boom when coming up behind slower cars on the autobahn to let them know I’m there. 6 to 5 to 4. Maybe even 3 if under 120. Boom. Boom. Boom. Then a nice wringing to 9 which is about 175 km in 3 and then 225 in 4. Leaves the autobahn and the citizens awash in exhaust scream. I seem to get out half the time with ringing ears and talking very loudly. If you get to Germany, check out the roads on the southern side of the Mosel river from Koblenz to Trier that go up and down to the river. Not much traffic and lots of fun. And the 3 south of Frankfurt towards Munich. And then the Grossglockner in Austria. Stay on the hill so you can drive the road at dawn before the toll road opens and the citizens turn up. Best road in Europe. Got a nice picture of mine and a Speedster together up there. Would always have the Touring above a Speedster. And yes a total keeper.
Haha, a Turbo S isn't exactly a sensible daily from a price perspective. But it's definitely the best daily for most people if money were no issue. It'd be a hard pick between the touring and turbo S for best daily.
Thanks for answering my question, completely agree that the Gt3 touring is better than a speedster. Love a good touring
Any time!
Great update Damian and no bloody adverts for Lloyds Bank. Ahhhhhhhh
Mine was the last question! Thanks for answering, sounds like a great memory!!
You bet!
Just can't understand why Porsche removed the back in seats in this Touring package as well... it would be the perfect car for sure.
why do you want 2 useless seats in race car?
@@Carlos-wm6ev race car? You must joking, right? This is a road car... a FXX is race car... a GT3 is a road car able to do some track use, but it’s not a race car...
@@joaoabreu5 you are smart
Because they are mostly used as shelves. You could maybe put a baby or two, but that's it and for some short drives, because the car would be space restrained for baby stuff space. Not disagreeing, a kid or a dog space would not hurt, but it did well without them, while protecting the gt3 image, saving some extra pennies and no one really cared.
Rear seats in 911s are merely noise dampers. Drive a 4.0l NA GT3 and enjoy the SOUND!
Great update. Rarer than an R in UK RHD spec
Better engine than an R too
Another fantastic video Mr Butt.
👏👏👏
So apparently if you blip after the shift it doesn't limit revs... although some people have no issue at all.
Damien, it seemed like you enjoyed those beans a little too much LOL but I totally get it though 4:20
Another quick question; Do you have a favourite watch for each car? IOW do you think of a car to drive that day and then pick a particular watch to go with it?
No, I never do this. I always pick the watch based on my mood, then the car comes second.
Maybe you can wrap it in a PTS color
Great video as usual. Love the GT3
Thanks! 👍
@@TheCarGuysTV you are the best. You will never get a 👎 from me with porsche content
Nice and nerdy "why I so love my 911 Touring" video Damian - you clearly love using it from evidence of the dirty wiper blade marks in the top right of the windscreen - My only question: when will you marry it? - LOL! - Good Luck!
Always thought the wheels would look good in satin platinum or aluminium? Looks great how it is too 👍🏻.
Great video!
Thanks
Brake throttle override! Almost all new cars do it meaning you can't heel and toe. Its due to a fatal crash in a totota in the US a few years ago. The legislation means you cannot brake and accelerate at the same time. Another reason new cars are becoming less desirable. Stranglely Donald Trump overruled it last year as it turned out the accident was due to the floor mat getting stuck and not an engine management issue. However for some reason most manufacturers have decide to keep the brake throttle override.
Interesting
@@TheCarGuysTV www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-safety-usa-idUSKCN1SJ1UL
@@TheCarGuysTV PS I think it may not be the case in sport plus? I also think if the clutch is fully depressed, not half way up / down it seems to by pass the override. At least it does in my Exige. My 981 Spyder was fine. Some cars seem to have it and some don't, its all very odd but most 'sports' cars seem to have a secret work around like one of the methods above, that the legislators miss. Try a few different clutch positions and sport plus?
Damien - I'm about to finalise spec for my 718 Spyder and I can't decide between the standard seats or the full buckets.....any thoughts?
That's down to personal preference. The buckets look cool, but they are a git to get in and out of. I think there's an inbetween seat that's probably a good compromise.
@@TheCarGuysTV Thanks, that's my dilemma looks against getting in/out...they have dropped the mid option now..it's either full buckets or standard seats....the fact you opted for standard seats in you Spyder kind of answers the question
I really like the Boxster gts 4.0. Would you buy one
No, as I went for the 718 Spyder instead.
Manual in a sports car is heel and toe! This is absurd and in all honesty deal breaking!
Normally you can heel n toe when sport is off in every manual 991
Are you out of your mind ... to skip a new Touring ... you know how you should skip it ...How's about don't buy it... that's how you can skip it lol ... oh poor baby"s apple car play doesn't load fast enough ... as far as im concerned there shouldn't be an F IN Radio in a GT3 PERIOD ... with that Engine Sound Track ... Do yourself a favor and don't use a GT3 as daily Driver ... Go Buy an F IN Minivan for your Pod casting Daily's Ninny lol .....thanks for sharing ...Just Playing ... Cheers Damian .....Fada Fayda Fada Caravan .... Brad Pitt ..Snatch lol
No i´m not gonna sell this car, it´s for life.
F40 and F12tdf start to cry again somewhere in the world :(
I never said they were for life :)
@@TheCarGuysTV ok :)
Stopped watching when you said you wish there was no new Touring and Porsche stopped making every variant again. That's like saying you wish only you could enjoy this car and no one else, because anyone else getting to enjoy it makes it less 'special'. I don't share that view at all.
Actually the point was about Porsche over-exploiting certain names and variants, and that maybe some should be rested.
*There’s only certain women and cars that make a man do this **4:26*
I don’t have an issue Rev matching in my Touring. Heeling and toeing is fine so find this really odd. Have you had it checked out? Otherwise agree with what you say, I think best car I’ve ever had.
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My Touring's heel/toe blips fine too
same here, I haven't had that issue on my touring, heel and toe in this car is magical
What about painting wheels silver, chrome strip window surround and badges going silver, would be my perfect spec, lovely as it is though
Agree. Touring should have silver wheels and chrome trim.
Exact way I spec'd mine. Love the silver accents the most. Even my silver seatbelts in an otherwise black interior.
In summary: Owning a GT3 Touring is bloody amazing
Yes it is
Sex face...4.25 haha haha 😉 keep up the good work chaps!!👍🏻
I saw you driving it through Lymington the other week, it's got such presence on the road. Looked fab! That heel & toe-stopping feature would drive me insane on this car, I wonder if there is a way of re-programming the ecu to stop it from doing that?
I own a 2019 GT3 Touring and with sport mode off I can heel and toe the revs as high as I want. Not sure why you can't in your car. One other tip. If you put the car in neutral while in motion you can rev the motor as high as you want. This is a forever car for me too! 12,000 miles on mine already. Love it!
@@meatlocker9628 same for me. No issue with the heel and toe. Needed it on a recent track day.
Porsche makes cars for cars lovers. 911 R is made for collectors but Porsche didn't forget those who like driving great cars, so they made the gt3 touring who's more affordable but still great. They respect theirs clients. Let's hope they'll continue to do so for long. Long live naturally aspirated engines.
Seriously why the f*ck doesn't this channel have more subscribers? It is literally the most informative, least annoying car youtube channel around! Keep it up guys! Loving it!
Thank you very much 👍👍👍
Awesome review, I couldn't agree with your points more - not just about how great it is, but also about the Touring moniker. I'm glad that was the only part of the car that seems to have been an afterthought - blame the marketing department! ;)
I have had mine for almost 3 years and it is the first car out of about 50 cars I've had that I plan to keep forever - a status I thought no car would ever earn with me. It is certainly better than all the rest. Over 30,000 miles (or perhaps much more!) and going super strong still! I am not sure how many track days I've been to, but it's handled them all perfectly.
Great - thanks for your awesome comments, Club 👍
@@TheCarGuysTV what would you have more appropriately named this model of Porsche if you didn't have to worry about upsetting 911R owners like Porsche had to do? I would have named it either:
1. 911 GT - simple, straightforward, shouldn't bother 911R or GT3 owners, and doesn't imply it's a soft version. Bonus: it was written on the first GT car (993 GT2)
2. Carrera R - obviously would piss of 911R owners, but follows the precedent of Cayman R.
I share similar feelings of the GT3 Touring! I’m a little biased as I have one in the same spec (with the ceramics) and I will never sell this car. I agree wholeheartedly that this one is for life. (I’d love a 911r to admire in my garage though!)
If the ceramics are as good as in my 718 Spyder, then I would definitely prefer those
As a fellow owner who has had from new totally agree. Very special indeed.
Seven 👎
Who the fcuk are these folks
It’s properly amazing 😉
I absolutely love my 991.2 gt3, faultless. I’m about to change the tyres and thinking about the Michelin 4 s sport instead of the cup 2 which are a bit sketchy in the wet. Do you have any views, I couldn’t see what tyres you had on. Great owners video review by the way.
Pilot Sport 4S are PERFECT for the roads. Just get them
@@andyknoxvegas7681 yep fitted last weekend
Ive been thinking the same thing. Did you do the 4s and what did you think? I often wonder if the Cup3 aren’t too much tyre for the road as its almost too sticky as not to be playful.
@@andrewmorten4948 they have been really good so far, allowed me to use the car in the wet and cold without the issues of the cup tyres. I’ve done a test day at millbrook on them and the dry grip was still brilliant. No regrets
@@ghowells5433 Thanks for that. How’s the turn in on the road? Does the nose feel as sharp, and still eager and keen on hitting the apex’s, or do you need to steer at the apex more. I find with the cup tyres its a case of I think, It does. I like that. I do often think though that’s its got too much grip. That said, I’ve also spun the rears in 4th on a damp autobahn at 140kmh at half throttle. And i always have to watch the weather and if its wet then i don’t go, so it makes planning trips really hard especially as i go to the alps whenever i can and often do 12 hour days in it.... im happy i have the 18 way sofas.
Here I am nearly two years after you posted this video. So a belated "thank you" for a very lovely and thoughtful video. I had a 991.2 GT3 and loved it as a daily driver. I now have a 992 Turbo S as it was better suited for our home in Old Town Alexandria, VA where I lived at the time - a historic area with homes from the late 1700s, a couple cobblestone streets and a thriving restaurant where George Washington, Benjamin Franklin joined other friends for dinner. BTW, I had asked a question after watching your Turbo S review (Clive's Guards Red TTS) wondering if he had the Sport-PASM suspension based on your comments about the ride. Here in the U.S. on the Rennlist Member Forum, the divide between regular and S-PASM is as set in concrete as firmly as the debates about PDK vs. manual transmission, winged vs. Touring GT3 and the two political parties. I have regular PASM and am totally happy with it and I like a firm ride and sometimes drove my GT3 with the suspension in track mode.
Aside from an automatic family sedan, I always had a manual transmission sports/sporty car until 2010 when cars like 911 Turbo were only available with PDK. I loved double-clutch, heel-and-toe downshifting so I was aghast and disappointed to learn that it might not be fully defeatable. Last week I visited a Porsche dealer where I've purchased cars in the past. I was told that it is defeatable in the 992 generation. I hope that is true because the experience that you described in a race-bred sports car is hugely disappointing. At the risk of winning an award for the longest comment in the history of YouTubism, I will close. Oh, wait. Here is a video of my 991.2 GT3 that I did with a friend four years ago. Cheers! Love your videos!
ruclips.net/video/52g-vxLKYxI/видео.html
Surely somebody (RUF etc) must have a cure for the rev-matching?
Edit: Soft Limiters are evil
That heel-n-toe issue you mentioned seems unusual. Mine works fine. Have your OPC look into this.
You're right, this car is for life. As Jerry Seinfeld says, it's a dead man's car.
Agree mine is fine too. Think there must be a fault
great video thanks Damien! awesome class car choice, just had no idea that the soft limiter stops rev matching at higher RPM, seems crazy to do that to a performance car, presumably this isn't the same for the regular GT3 manual?
You won’t be surprised to hear my broken record comment: „fabulous summary and good to see a fellow Touring user enjoying the car in daily life !“. Let’s connect when you come to Germany. Are you replacing the tires with Cup-2 or consider something more winter ready ?
I reprogrammed my 1971 911 to support heel and toe better.... purchased a pair of driving shoes ... :-).
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That's really strange, I have the same car and it doesn't stop me heel and toeing. You can rev it as much as you like.
Agree , zero issues in my as well.
I think I could be pursuaded to like this car even if its not a Ferrari!
Great video once again Damian! So the ECU limits how high the revs go when you downshift? Is it the same for the other GT3 manual with a wing?
Can you leave me this in your will? Also stop looking both ways crossing the road.
My favourite GT3 of all time, simply because it's so understated, yet a monster.
It sure is
Is this a 2019 GT3 Touring? Seems the GT3 is no longer on the website for 2020. If I could afford a GT3 it would be the base model or the Touring (PDK if they offered it...odd they don't..yet).
Thank you for video ... My Touring came alive with Dundon Motorsports Street headers and intake -38lbs ... power increase 50lbs torque in mid range, Antigravity lithium battery -35lbs and BBS FIR wheels -24lbs combined reduces 100 lbs weight ... love the ethos of pure drivers road car
I hope they never stop making the touring it fits perfectly between their road and track models,I love it
Glad you're enjoying using it as it was intended. So many collectibles just don't get driven, which is a bit of a shame.
You drove past Meridian without stopping !!! Love that touring, glad you’re driving it as it should be 👍
One of, if not, the best car on RUclips.
About the rev match...I don't think other GT3 manuals' got the same problem. I've seen other owner's revving just like a normal manual gearbox. In this video, it looked just like an imperfect rev match. If Porsche really calibrated the manual gearbox this way, the whole experience is a ruin. Any GT3 Touring owners here to confirm this rev matching problem?
how is the ride in terms of confort comparing with a normal carrera s model?
Damian ever thinking of driving it towards the end of Europe :D would really like to meet you and have a chat in Turkey :D Hope to do it in England one day too :)
Portugal on the list 🙋🏻♂️
What’s happening is he’s not coming off the throttle when he’s downshifting and the car thinks it’s supposed to be flat shifting. That’s a major error in this video. My touring has zero issue with manual heel and toe and is one of the best I’ve driven. All 991 manual GT3s and R’s are the same. Maybe poster can’t heel and toe properly?
January 2022, and it’s probably now worth what you paid for it Damian!
I wish we could get the Sport Buckets. Had them in my 997.2 GTS. I have the LWB in my RS and am thinking 4-ways in the Touring.
Engine comparison between Porsche gt3 and Ferrari 458?
Good idea
I keep going back and forth on whether to just lump up the cash and get one of these. I'm interested in the point you said about not being able to turn off autoblip. Oddly I've driven a normal 991.2 gt3 and without sport mode on there didn't seem to be any odd interactions whatsoever. Did they change something in this car? You should come on the podcast at some point, would be nice to meet.
oh and keep up the videos. I like checking in occasionally to see what x,y,z are like from an ownership perspective. It's very different when someone has stumped up their own cash or seriously considering purchasing/not purchasing something.
Cheers
Sam
Sounds like a great idea, Sam - I’d be honoured to be on the show
That heel and toe shit makes no sense. Import a 2019or 2020 GT350R and drive it around Europe!
When i read the radio blasting sound i had to laugh. I hate it so much when it happens in my 2017 turbo s.
I also love that my Instagram question was answered at 5:27 Thank you
What you are saying Archie Hamilton ‘Racing’ isn’t being true to himself. He only likes a car while the video is in production. This Porker is like a T5R V70 in black over black for the Volvotron circles. It is the one to get and keep. Take care Damo. Where is your mate and YT better half this video btw
I like the idea of having and driving the car as much as you want...That is exactly why i follow your channel and what cars are made for. Porsche used to be known as drivers cars so i cannot possibly understand how the Alliance against fun got involved in the project and mangled the electronics to prevent a proper heel and toe. I could understand maybe if it was that way for first gear to protect the engine against a money shift but I'll never understand how anyone at Porsche thought it was a great idea to sell a manual shift car with half the fun of actually driving a manual electronically neutered...How can you possibly make time down a twisty road when you have to lug the engine out of every 2nd and 3rd gear corner? very disappointing "feature" indeed. I know i would be searching for a way to disable it.... especially a car i planned to keep for the long haul. Cheers!
Could you modify the heel/toe behavior with an obdII tool? Love your GT3...I could live with that spec forever....gorgeous.
Any road trips coming up? The alps episode was fantastic.
great video !! i am very happy you will keep it for ever !! Porsche can relax on making the GT3 touring after i get my 992 :) 😃
Another fab honest review, love the humour, esp the ‘knowing nod’ that sums up the brits!!
Glad you enjoyed it
I equally love my black gt3 touring, I am tempted to upgrade to 992 if it’s only limited to Manual transmission because I think that might be the last generation with 4L NA
Yep great car, that and a 675Lt the perfect two car garage for me
The A35 from Christchurch to Lyndhurst. I know that road very well!
Great roundup, great car, I’d personally have to swap the gauges to white though. I’m on my 3rd 911 and can’t see a day when I don’t have one. Those that know why know why.
You're right "touring"is a terrible name for a great product, not being able to heel toe would be a deal breaker for me
Yes, because thats extremely important on the road.
Hi. Question. What is the average yearly cost to own this beauty all included? :)
Lovely car and great choice of Spike’s Car Radio. Brothers over the pond….
I'm with you on the red dials...just the right splash of color.
one of my favorite in your collection.....such a nice pickup....baby 911R
Fantastic car and all the better for the manual gearbox. Agree the inability to heal and toe is annoying.
Great video sir. You are a true car guy and enthusiast. It really is tough to beat a Porsche for daily driving.
My Touring allows heel and toe without any issues…road and track. This is not an issue.
Ffs, you paid 205k for a touring? You better love it.
My weekly fix of The Car Guys now sorted, until next Friday. thanks Damien
Nice to see Lyndhurst. Haven’t been down there for years :)
Tour across Germany - excellent!
I find your remark concerning the size of the 992 very interesting ! I agree: all the cars are becoming too big. My 997GT3 is the perfect size... in my opinion. Previously I had a Ferrari 355, that was perfectly sized as well. I love the 458, but it’s so big. Do you prefer your 718 over the 991, sizewise?
The 718 does feel nippier but I like the squat stance of the GT3
Love these rapid fire questions
Glad you enjoyed it
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Great video as normal Damian and the GT3 Touring would definitely be in my garage, I do think you should give an Aston Martin V12 S AMR manual a look as well, I'd definitely have one alongside the GT3 Touring.
Good choice!
I own a GT3 and am looking to upgrade to a 458. Would really appreciate your thoughts on this. Not tracking either vehicle
Very different driving experiences. One clinical, sharp, efficient, Germanic. The other noisy, flamboyant, stylish, quirky.
I have a simple solution for your podcast volume gripe! Just leave your pcm in the ‘media’ page before you plug in your phone. That way when you turn it on, it opens up on media mode and nothing is playing *silence*. Then you proceed to plug your phone in!
I'll give it a go
Beautifully understated somehow. I think you know a keeper from the start.
How about a video with Jason. Your top 10 most exciting cars , each of you have driven. Not always the fastest cars are the most fun. Even slow cars can be a lot of fun.
Trouble is, the F40 would be all of Jason's top ten! :)
Thanks for the honest assessment and costs. Refteshing to have an owner who Appreciates what they have.Nice to see someone who actually drives it,owns it ,and pays for it. Enjoy every second in it.
Thanks as ever for sharing 👌😎
Stay safe.
Glad you enjoyed it
"Touring is the worst word that Porsche has chosen for a car since they decided to use Turbo for the Taycan..."... except they called this a Touring before the Taycan Turbo existed.
Wow, what an amazing observation