Great content! Thank you. I love PSVR2 and GT7. I appreciate the the VR comparison. I am part of smaller group of drivers who prefer not to race. I love GT7 in VR2 for the car culture, and public lobbies. In GT7 lobbies we can do drag races, car show winner picks next category, fast cars driving fast, police vs. speeders, slow night cruise, etc. If I were a serious sim racer I would most likely be spending my money and time with IRacing. Cheers all!
The physics in GT7 really took a step closer to iRacing after the last update. I think it's more about if you own a quality PC to run VR, if you want to spend the money for iRacing, and if you want a game that takes overall simulation racing to the fullest extent or prefer something more casual like GT7s style. Not that you can't be a casual sim racer and enjoy iRacing, it's just that the game offers a more truer racing experience.
with a bit of luck ACEvo will give us that and more but with a proper sims physics while actully being more approachable than iracing due to iracings artificially difficult tire model
Great content I guess I’m on my way to buy a quest 3. 👍 looking forward to forward to seeing how this improves my vision. Started sim racing but just won my first actual racing championship last season.
@@thecasualracinggamer Yep, like good optics/lenses are more important than the quality of the display and resolution, also sweet spot size, Quest 3 has more resolution display, bigger sweet spot and better optics than PSVR2, all that plus it's a Standalone VR and PCVR headset all in one at $499, PSVR2 it's at $550 and it works it's as a PC/Console VR headset only, so you need to add at least $500 (PS5) more to see something, and there are a lot more titles on PC than PS5 in VR, so better if you have a good PC to really use it. So ... That price on PSVR2 comes from where? lol.
@@steve_ire321 Nope, are not. that horrible MURA/SMEAR it's just awful. I preffer 100% any LCD over that, even $4,000 dollars Apple Vision Pro got it, just awful ... full stop.
A great iRacing test for the PSVR2 this week is PCC or Advanced Mazda, both running at VIR & Sepring & BOTH at night. Would love to see how much more immersed you are and how much better it is at night with the OLED panels
I do a lot of long races which usually turn to night or vise versa. Would be nice to have a little comparison on night driving as well and see how big of a difference it actually is with the oled.
Great comparison! By the way if someone doesn't like the colors with Link, Virtual Desktop has much better colors, probably that's why I don't feel the OLED colors in PSVR2 a huge deal compared to Q3.
The colours in the PSVR2 stomp on most headsets on the market, and this is with it even without the HDR enabled, its that visible. As far as using VD goes, VD is good, but it still carries latency, compression and more importantly, the occasional signal drop out due to your wifi not behaving. Another downside is that you get about 40 minutes tops out of the Quest 3 wirelessly before having to charge the thing, so you might as well have it wired.
@@steve_ire321 The colors are of course better on OLED but if someone would prefer the lenses and image clarity of the Quest3 just doesn't like Link colors, VD might be the solution for them. You can't notice latency unless you are playing Beat Seber on expert but you can play that standalone too with zero latency. Compression is there but the image still looks sharper and cleaner than on PSVR2 with mura + screendor filter + lower resolution + worse subpixel layout, and don't even talk about the freslen lenses, which is a shame and makes a wired headset almost pintless if you get a worse image than on a wireless headset but restricted by a cable. Where do you get this 40 minutes from? Have you ever tried a Quest? It's two hours, maybe 1.5 if you take care of the battery and don't charge it over 80%. By the way the PSVR2 also doens't have unlimited playtime because the controllers don't last longer than 4 hours, unless you are playing games that use a different controller. I also never had any problems with my wifi, it's rock solid, and I'm using just a 90$ router.
I know this video is about the VR...but one can really notice the amount of input you have to constantly steer into the car in GT7 vs the I Racing. You look so much smoother driving in IR.
"I have both devices, and indeed the Quest 3 has more clarity, but in several other aspects, it falls short. 1. PCVR games often seem like adaptations; they frequently have errors, requiring reconfiguration. If Steam updates, VR support can be lost; if the graphics card updates, it can cause errors... if Windows updates, it can cause errors too.... It doesn't seem like a ready-to-play solution, as it relies on the user understanding computing and researching forums to see what went wrong. 2. So far, I haven't found a racing game that comes close to GT7; the game is sensational, which reminds me a lot of the Nintendo Switch situation; the software is just as important as the hardware to bring the leisure experience. 3. Quest 3 has a major issue with battery life; if you play without the cable, the battery drains much faster. 4. The comfort of the Quest 3 is very poor; you have to buy another support. 5. PCVR games have a lot of hackers in the matches. The PCVR solution (requires a good graphics card) + Quest 3 is more expensive than the PS5 + PSVR2... currently, in my perception, the best option is PCVR + PSVR2 + PS5; you get to play both PS5 exclusives and PCVR games."
I race almost exclusively in VR now, and occasionally have gone and raced in flatscreen. Way off the pace now, but in the first few days of VR I was way off the pace then, lol.
It will take you time to adjust back to flat screen. Just like it takes folks time to adjust to VR coming from a flat screen. I never race on a flat screen anymore though. More than pace or depth perception, it hard to race without the immersion and enjoy it as much.
Issue currently is that the quest doesnt work on ps5 so psvr2 is the play if you want to play on both pc and ps5. Is it true that you can't see the driver list in vr when in a race? Been thinking of getting psvr2 (currently just use a single flat screen tv), but lack of info in vr is pretty much a deal breaker
💯 PSVR2 is amazing for offering console and PC compatibility! Yes, it's true you can not see the driver list in GT7 on PSVR2. It is mind-boggling that they have not given us this.
Great stuff. I have a Quest 3 and previously owned a PSVR 2. Your points are valid, there is no competition as to clarity due to the awesome pancake lenses on the Quest 3. Moreover, Quest 3 wireless via Virtual Desktop and the AV1 codec is on par with a cable. Like you I do not notice latency at all, and compression artifacts are few and far between and never noticeable during a race. Easy choice for me, Quest 3 all day.
I don't think it's the psvr2 that has reached its limits. I think it's the ps5 that has reached its limits. I think GT7 on PC will be able to push the PSVR2 beyond its limits.
@@hunterjg777 Yes, the desktop streamer app is free and can be downloaded from the site, but the Quest 3 app must be purchased from the Quest store. Best $20 I have ever spent on gaming.
I own the PSVR2 headset and it's nice for the PS5 / gt7, and other VR games. For my PC setup I won't be using the PSVR2, as the Pimax Super is coming at the end of this year, and that headset will blow all others away. 👍
I'm sure it will as it should, assuming the price won't be anywhere near PSVR2 or Quest 3. Is there a suggested price for it yet? The number one selling point for PSVR2 is being able to use it for PS5 and PC. No other headset can claim that. A great selling point for Quest 3 is wireless PC gameplay as well as stand-alone VR gaming. Also, augmented reality. Both these headsets offer a great user experience depending on what you are looking for.
@thecasualracinggamer Yeah of course it will cost more as it should due to the Technology. Price for me is never a problem. (Ps, did you know that the HDR function of the PS5VR2 is not working on the PC..? Nor Eyetracking, and their great controllers and headset rumble) So for me the PS5VR2 headset is great for PS5 for me personally only.
Yeah, the removal of certain features was very much known for PSVR2 on PC. For me, the biggest removal was eye tracking. That feature would have allowed games to run at much higher graphic settings without killing frames.
Have pico4 with vdt with latency, and now psvr2, I really notice a difference in latency. Play psvr2 at 120 hertz. My bass shakers on my pico4 sometimes thought they don't work, and now on psvr2, works much better, really notice a difference. Especially with rally no latency is important. On psvr2 the image is softer, on pico it is like a drawing you see black stripes with some flat green pictures around it. With all the pros and cons of both no lcd for me. Moreover I have much more vof on psvr2, is also important to me. Hate binocular look no immersion.
Does i racing have night time races? I'd think that is the only place psvr2 has a chance to show itself off. It's games like red matter 2, horror games etc with night scenes people report the psvr2 looking at its best. Could make an interesting similar video Cas 🤔 GT7 is also pretty impressive at night 👍
Great comparison! A bummer actually that the Quest 3 is better. I own one and now I really don’t have a reason to get a PSVR2 as well, though GT7 VR would be cool. Just release it on PC already!
PD Absolutley needs something like crew chief especially in VR - it's a massive oversight To add - I have both headsets and after testing will likely keep using my Q3 as my PC racing headset. PSVR2 is an excellent headset but the overhead of Steam VR (vs. OpenComposite and other OXR solutions), the mura and fresneal lenses, and the overal higher resolution and clarity of the Q3 means I think the Q3 is the better PCVR racing headset - which is admittedly kind of strange. But the overhead of SteamVR and the visible mura eliminates the DP connections advantages over compression artifacting for me. That said, the PSVR2 is still an amazing headset and I'm keeping mine not just for GT7 but for Elite Dangerous, Star Wars Squadrons, Half Life Alyx etc. Anything that needs proper blacks and colors to create atmosphere - PSVR2. Downtrack clarity and visibility? Q3.
It's funny because, as I say, I prefer the Quest 3 over PSVR2 for PC Sim Racing, I'm thinking, is anyone going to agree with me on this who has tried both headsets. 😁
The clarity and sharpness are limited to the OLED screen and the filter on it. I think a lot of folks are more interested in the colors and deep blacks on PSVR2, but for me, I'll take an LCD screen for sharpness any day. One thing I didn't touch upon in this video is that the Quest 3 lenses destroy PSVR2 lenses. PSVR2 has such a small sweet spot while Quest 3 had so much more in focus and you can have it pretty much anywhere over your eyes. I wish they made Quest 3 PS5 compatible. 😁
You missed out a huge section of people myself included, what if you have a PS5 with GT7 and also a PC but no VR headset yet. Do we go with arguably the better Quest 3 or the PSVR2 so we can also experience GT7 in VR?
$60 vs. $500. I don't even think there is two answers here, unless if you just want to blow money. Get the adapter and enjoy PCVR sim racing. Also, Quest 3 being better is my opinion. I am sure there are plenty of people who would pick PSVR2 over Quest 3 as the better headset. Also, my opinions here are strictly based on Sim Racing. For people who play other VR games or want to play away from their PC, that's a whole other discussion.
Sorry. I misread your post. If you play GT7, 100% get PSVR2 with the adapter. It plays so well in VR. Unfortunately, you missed out on a killer deal on PSVR2 a few weeks back.
As others have said - if you have both platforms, love GT 7 and might want a PCVR headset, then the PSVR2 and adapter is a good choice. It's a great headset. I prefer the Q3 for PCVR racing, but that's the privelege of choice I have, they're both great and if you want a single headset for both platforms the PSVR2 is a terrific headset. In GT7 particularly it's astonishingly good.
man man thanks for doing this. I was thinking to pick that dog shit psvr2 for pc again to try on DP as I sold it 3rd day of launch.. This helped a lot. Seems the meta compression over USB does not matter because of those lenses. I am having a similar headset which qPro :) Once you go 4090 and a better processor you will be blown away.
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Great content! Thank you. I love PSVR2 and GT7. I appreciate the the VR comparison. I am part of smaller group of drivers who prefer not to race. I love GT7 in VR2 for the car culture, and public lobbies. In GT7 lobbies we can do drag races, car show winner picks next category, fast cars driving fast, police vs. speeders, slow night cruise, etc. If I were a serious sim racer I would most likely be spending my money and time with IRacing. Cheers all!
GT7 definitely fits your bill for what you enjoy!
In terms of quality optimization and graphics GT7 is simply unmatched, its just a question of which physics you want really
The physics in GT7 really took a step closer to iRacing after the last update. I think it's more about if you own a quality PC to run VR, if you want to spend the money for iRacing, and if you want a game that takes overall simulation racing to the fullest extent or prefer something more casual like GT7s style. Not that you can't be a casual sim racer and enjoy iRacing, it's just that the game offers a more truer racing experience.
with a bit of luck ACEvo will give us that and more but with a proper sims physics while actully being more approachable than iracing due to iracings artificially difficult tire model
Great content I guess I’m on my way to buy a quest 3. 👍 looking forward to forward to seeing how this improves my vision. Started sim racing but just won my first actual racing championship last season.
Good, finally someone that understand that OLED display it doesn't mean instant "better" image quality, and OLED + fresnel optics .. even worst.
When it comes to VR, there is more than just bright colors and black levels that matter.
@@thecasualracinggamer Yep, like good optics/lenses are more important than the quality of the display and resolution, also sweet spot size, Quest 3 has more resolution display, bigger sweet spot and better optics than PSVR2, all that plus it's a Standalone VR and PCVR headset all in one at $499, PSVR2 it's at $550 and it works it's as a PC/Console VR headset only, so you need to add at least $500 (PS5) more to see something, and there are a lot more titles on PC than PS5 in VR, so better if you have a good PC to really use it. So ... That price on PSVR2 comes from where? lol.
Except that the OLEDS in the PSVR2 really are a step above the LCD in the Quest 3. OLED is just better for VR, full stop.
@@steve_ire321 Nope, are not. that horrible MURA/SMEAR it's just awful. I preffer 100% any LCD over that, even $4,000 dollars Apple Vision Pro got it, just awful ... full stop.
A great iRacing test for the PSVR2 this week is PCC or Advanced Mazda, both running at VIR & Sepring & BOTH at night. Would love to see how much more immersed you are and how much better it is at night with the OLED panels
I do a lot of long races which usually turn to night or vise versa. Would be nice to have a little comparison on night driving as well and see how big of a difference it actually is with the oled.
I use PSVR2 for GT7 and Quest 3 for AC. I love having the best of both worlds.
Great comparison! By the way if someone doesn't like the colors with Link, Virtual Desktop has much better colors, probably that's why I don't feel the OLED colors in PSVR2 a huge deal compared to Q3.
I always feel like I got a better picture using a Link cable but I know people always praise Virtual Desktop. Maybe I need to give it another go.
The colours in the PSVR2 stomp on most headsets on the market, and this is with it even without the HDR enabled, its that visible. As far as using VD goes, VD is good, but it still carries latency, compression and more importantly, the occasional signal drop out due to your wifi not behaving. Another downside is that you get about 40 minutes tops out of the Quest 3 wirelessly before having to charge the thing, so you might as well have it wired.
@@steve_ire321 The colors are of course better on OLED but if someone would prefer the lenses and image clarity of the Quest3 just doesn't like Link colors, VD might be the solution for them. You can't notice latency unless you are playing Beat Seber on expert but you can play that standalone too with zero latency. Compression is there but the image still looks sharper and cleaner than on PSVR2 with mura + screendor filter + lower resolution + worse subpixel layout, and don't even talk about the freslen lenses, which is a shame and makes a wired headset almost pintless if you get a worse image than on a wireless headset but restricted by a cable. Where do you get this 40 minutes from? Have you ever tried a Quest? It's two hours, maybe 1.5 if you take care of the battery and don't charge it over 80%. By the way the PSVR2 also doens't have unlimited playtime because the controllers don't last longer than 4 hours, unless you are playing games that use a different controller. I also never had any problems with my wifi, it's rock solid, and I'm using just a 90$ router.
I know this video is about the VR...but one can really notice the amount of input you have to constantly steer into the car in GT7 vs the I Racing. You look so much smoother driving in IR.
I recommend people try taking the racing info off the GT7 VR image, so much more immersive
I have never felt a loss of immersion with the info there. As a matter of fact I am begging PD to give is more info on screen!
@@thecasualracinggamer Over a full year and still no opponent split times :(
"I have both devices, and indeed the Quest 3 has more clarity, but in several other aspects, it falls short.
1. PCVR games often seem like adaptations; they frequently have errors, requiring reconfiguration. If Steam updates, VR support can be lost; if the graphics card updates, it can cause errors... if Windows updates, it can cause errors too.... It doesn't seem like a ready-to-play solution, as it relies on the user understanding computing and researching forums to see what went wrong.
2. So far, I haven't found a racing game that comes close to GT7; the game is sensational, which reminds me a lot of the Nintendo Switch situation; the software is just as important as the hardware to bring the leisure experience.
3. Quest 3 has a major issue with battery life; if you play without the cable, the battery drains much faster.
4. The comfort of the Quest 3 is very poor; you have to buy another support.
5. PCVR games have a lot of hackers in the matches.
The PCVR solution (requires a good graphics card) + Quest 3 is more expensive than the PS5 + PSVR2... currently, in my perception, the best option is PCVR + PSVR2 + PS5; you get to play both PS5 exclusives and PCVR games."
Sounds like I can't get wrong buying a psvr2 when I already got the PS5 and GT7 - a good resymé of the current status.
As you mainly race in VR can you still race flat screen or does the lack of depth perception throw you off now.
I race almost exclusively in VR now, and occasionally have gone and raced in flatscreen. Way off the pace now, but in the first few days of VR I was way off the pace then, lol.
It will take you time to adjust back to flat screen. Just like it takes folks time to adjust to VR coming from a flat screen. I never race on a flat screen anymore though. More than pace or depth perception, it hard to race without the immersion and enjoy it as much.
Issue currently is that the quest doesnt work on ps5 so psvr2 is the play if you want to play on both pc and ps5.
Is it true that you can't see the driver list in vr when in a race? Been thinking of getting psvr2 (currently just use a single flat screen tv), but lack of info in vr is pretty much a deal breaker
💯 PSVR2 is amazing for offering console and PC compatibility! Yes, it's true you can not see the driver list in GT7 on PSVR2. It is mind-boggling that they have not given us this.
Great stuff. I have a Quest 3 and previously owned a PSVR 2. Your points are valid, there is no competition as to clarity due to the awesome pancake lenses on the Quest 3. Moreover, Quest 3 wireless via Virtual Desktop and the AV1 codec is on par with a cable. Like you I do not notice latency at all, and compression artifacts are few and far between and never noticeable during a race. Easy choice for me, Quest 3 all day.
Using a cable and running the bitrate at 500, compression isn't even a thing I notice. Now, on PSVR2, the mura is hard to ignore.
I don't think it's the psvr2 that has reached its limits. I think it's the ps5 that has reached its limits. I think GT7 on PC will be able to push the PSVR2 beyond its limits.
Did you buy Virtual Desktop in headset? Wonder if they are due a sale soon.
@@yoyopoarairouaa4850ps5 pro is likely to take GT7 up a notch. Native 90hz id expect. GT7 is a 120hz flat screen game so it must be ps5 limited
@@hunterjg777 Yes, the desktop streamer app is free and can be downloaded from the site, but the Quest 3 app must be purchased from the Quest store. Best $20 I have ever spent on gaming.
I own the PSVR2 headset and it's nice for the PS5 / gt7, and other VR games. For my PC setup I won't be using the PSVR2, as the Pimax Super is coming at the end of this year, and that headset will blow all others away. 👍
I'm sure it will as it should, assuming the price won't be anywhere near PSVR2 or Quest 3. Is there a suggested price for it yet?
The number one selling point for PSVR2 is being able to use it for PS5 and PC. No other headset can claim that. A great selling point for Quest 3 is wireless PC gameplay as well as stand-alone VR gaming. Also, augmented reality. Both these headsets offer a great user experience depending on what you are looking for.
@thecasualracinggamer Yeah of course it will cost more as it should due to the Technology. Price for me is never a problem. (Ps, did you know that the HDR function of the PS5VR2 is not working on the PC..? Nor Eyetracking, and their great controllers and headset rumble) So for me the PS5VR2 headset is great for PS5 for me personally only.
Yeah, the removal of certain features was very much known for PSVR2 on PC. For me, the biggest removal was eye tracking. That feature would have allowed games to run at much higher graphic settings without killing frames.
@thecasualracinggamer Yeah, if they could add HDR and Eye tracking for the PC then it would be Epic...
That’s assuming you’ll actually get it at launch… Crystal Light is still months out on pre order status
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Have pico4 with vdt with latency, and now psvr2, I really notice a difference in latency. Play psvr2 at 120 hertz. My bass shakers on my pico4 sometimes thought they don't work, and now on psvr2, works much better, really notice a difference. Especially with rally no latency is important. On psvr2 the image is softer, on pico it is like a drawing you see black stripes with some flat green pictures around it. With all the pros and cons of both no lcd for me. Moreover I have much more vof on psvr2, is also important to me. Hate binocular look no immersion.
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the seating position in gt7 feels off. like youre a kid with the nose behind the weel trying to look over it. cant one change that on the PS5?
If you go to the pass through view, move your head up or down before going back into the game, you can raise or lower your view like that.
Does i racing have night time races? I'd think that is the only place psvr2 has a chance to show itself off. It's games like red matter 2, horror games etc with night scenes people report the psvr2 looking at its best. Could make an interesting similar video Cas 🤔 GT7 is also pretty impressive at night 👍
iRacing does have night racing, but most races seem to be in the daytime.
Easier to buy ps5 then to buy pc and keep it up to date and the price of the things. Pay the money plug and play ps5 all day
Ease of use for console VR is huge. Now we'll see if Sony and developers continue to support it for PS5 and beyond.
Great comparison! A bummer actually that the Quest 3 is better. I own one and now I really don’t have a reason to get a PSVR2 as well, though GT7 VR would be cool. Just release it on PC already!
Some people might like PSVR2 better. I just like what the Quest 3 delivers more.
PD Absolutley needs something like crew chief especially in VR - it's a massive oversight
To add - I have both headsets and after testing will likely keep using my Q3 as my PC racing headset. PSVR2 is an excellent headset but the overhead of Steam VR (vs. OpenComposite and other OXR solutions), the mura and fresneal lenses, and the overal higher resolution and clarity of the Q3 means I think the Q3 is the better PCVR racing headset - which is admittedly kind of strange. But the overhead of SteamVR and the visible mura eliminates the DP connections advantages over compression artifacting for me. That said, the PSVR2 is still an amazing headset and I'm keeping mine not just for GT7 but for Elite Dangerous, Star Wars Squadrons, Half Life Alyx etc. Anything that needs proper blacks and colors to create atmosphere - PSVR2. Downtrack clarity and visibility? Q3.
It's funny because, as I say, I prefer the Quest 3 over PSVR2 for PC Sim Racing, I'm thinking, is anyone going to agree with me on this who has tried both headsets. 😁
i guess depends, i m in the group where i dont play PC games at all 😂
I have both. Quest 3 is by far the best VR headset you can get right now.
I wonder if a higher end gpu would benefit the psvr2 on pc...to me both the mq3 & psvr2 look good. Thanks for the comparison!
The clarity and sharpness are limited to the OLED screen and the filter on it. I think a lot of folks are more interested in the colors and deep blacks on PSVR2, but for me, I'll take an LCD screen for sharpness any day.
One thing I didn't touch upon in this video is that the Quest 3 lenses destroy PSVR2 lenses. PSVR2 has such a small sweet spot while Quest 3 had so much more in focus and you can have it pretty much anywhere over your eyes.
I wish they made Quest 3 PS5 compatible. 😁
You missed out a huge section of people myself included, what if you have a PS5 with GT7 and also a PC but no VR headset yet.
Do we go with arguably the better Quest 3 or the PSVR2 so we can also experience GT7 in VR?
$60 vs. $500. I don't even think there is two answers here, unless if you just want to blow money. Get the adapter and enjoy PCVR sim racing. Also, Quest 3 being better is my opinion. I am sure there are plenty of people who would pick PSVR2 over Quest 3 as the better headset.
Also, my opinions here are strictly based on Sim Racing. For people who play other VR games or want to play away from their PC, that's a whole other discussion.
What I meant is that if I dont have any vr set yet, does the ability to use the psvr2 on both pc and ps5 make it a better buy than a quest 3?
Obviously, go for PSVR2 and the adapter! GT7 in VR is unmatched!
Sorry. I misread your post. If you play GT7, 100% get PSVR2 with the adapter. It plays so well in VR. Unfortunately, you missed out on a killer deal on PSVR2 a few weeks back.
As others have said - if you have both platforms, love GT 7 and might want a PCVR headset, then the PSVR2 and adapter is a good choice. It's a great headset. I prefer the Q3 for PCVR racing, but that's the privelege of choice I have, they're both great and if you want a single headset for both platforms the PSVR2 is a terrific headset. In GT7 particularly it's astonishingly good.
I'm a GT7 PSVR2 player and one thing I hate is people hating on the graphics of I racing, it can easily be on par with GT7.
iRacing might lack the shadows, reflections and details you might get in GT7, but I personally still think it looks really good.
man man thanks for doing this. I was thinking to pick that dog shit psvr2 for pc again to try on DP as I sold it 3rd day of launch.. This helped a lot. Seems the meta compression over USB does not matter because of those lenses. I am having a similar headset which qPro :) Once you go 4090 and a better processor you will be blown away.
Lenses magically make compression disappear now? Jesus Christ, the mental gymnastics from some people is unreal.
@steve_ire321 get your bum eyes checked