Why Lightsabers Became Less Ornate After the High Republic
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024
- Jedi lightsabers of the High Republic were far more ceremonial and fancy than the lightsabers we're used to seeing in the Star Wars films. Why is that? What caused the change to a more simplified version of the weapon?
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In other words, as Revolver Ocelot once said: “Engravings…give you no tactical advantage whatsoever.”
Nah. Even during the time where the sith were many in number and out jn thebopen, hilt desgns were stylish often
I like both styles, the high republic era and the prequel era are fascinating to explore.
I also think sabers without a guard were not supposed to be needed, because the guard is used for saber-to-saber combat to protect (guard) the hand when the blade slides. Hence they continued using it because they needed mostly to deflect laser shots due they thought Sith were extinct.
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I think it’s still fitting that characters like Obi Wan and Leia, more strategic, methodical Jedi still have relatively elegant lightsabers whereas characters like Anakin and Ben Solo who are more headstrong and battle focused have less complicated designs.
Nah, Obi-Wan's last lightsaber was one of the most simple. It's a warrior's weapon which is easy to fix. Anakin's had much more complex design.
Count Dooku's really blends the two types perfectly. I love it. I'd have a curved one for dueling and one for blasters. I don't care about the Guardian Protocols, they are going to look classy no matter what.
I like to think there was just 1 Jedi that went so far over the top on their lightsaber design that it nearly bankrupt the order. Afterwards they had to put in a rule to keep it under $100 to build a lightsaber 😂
I mean, back when European military officers carried sabers, they were expected to have two. One for ceremonies and one for battle.
It would make sense for a Jedi to have two, except for the fact that by the time of the Prequels the Jedi don't really have a formal dress. Like monks, they just wear their plain brown robes everywhere, both to public ceremonies and when trying to go unnoticed...
On the history, that wasn't always the case. Some units required 2 swords like that such as the British heavy cavalry circa 1796. Most were expected to use just the one regulation sword, but chose to have two for that reason such as British troops in India or naval officers and using a ship's cutlass. In fact, some regiments were given modular swords where the hilt differed for ceremony vs war such as a later update to the 1828 Highland officer's sword.
Guardian Protocols also being the reason the sabers begin looking more like practical tools instead of ornate artifacts makes a whole lot of sense. Amusingly, because of our greater familiarity with the standard flavor, some might say that’s a good thing. Seen some saying how the HR sabers look like knockoffs or over the top.
Nowhere is that more exemplified with the legacy Stellan Gios lightsaber announcement, with one comment even saying his saber looks like a Power Rangers knockoff.
I found the ornate lightsabers feel much better in the hand than the battle sabers I have tried.
I honestly love the high republics take on saber design, really does say that the Jedi were at their height and were idolised among the galaxy. I do love to think that after many millennia of war with the sith empire and the mandalorians, the Jedi In a way celebrated their long fought victory by exploring new ways of doing things. by far one of my more favourite era’s overall, can’t wait to get this new comic
So Sidious's lightsabers were High Republic lightsabers? They are the very ceremonial looking and made of rose gold or something
They were plated in a lightsaber resistant metal, which was banned by both the Jedi and the Old Sith because it was too ornate and was seen as insulting.
Ol' Palpy is just extra like that
Sidious made those lightsabers specifically to mock the Jedi.
The design of the high republic jedi the there lightsaber are just so amazing
Not only do I love this explanation but it makes me wonder two things. One if this explains emperor palpatine's own personal electrum lightsabers, which while in the same design is battle sabers are way more ornate maybe hinting that he came during the end of the high Republic era, or at least has a fondness because he literally brings on a sith golden age through the empire. Thing that makes me wonder, especially looking at Ray's final saber from the rise of Skywalker is maybe during her new movie and possibly a sequel to the sequel trilogy. We might see these sort of ornate lightsaber designs begin to return again?
It's so cool that the new High Republic comics are actually diving into this. I think it's what we all expected this to be the case the instant we saw everybody wearing old in Light of the Jedi, but it's real nice to actually see it confirmed
For the same reason my 2023 lightsaber is less ornate: inflation. 😜
So would all lightsabers that we see in the prequels all be classified as “Battle Sabers”?
I guess this explains why so many Jedi have near identical hilts in the movies (with the exception of the main characters), which itself was bizarre as lightsabers have always been described as the most personal object a Jedi may possess.
This might explain why cross guarded lightsaber hilts were so rare by the time of the movies
This adds some interesting context to the “clan” sabers seen in the prequel where most extras and named characters had sabers that were identical or variations of three or four designs. Interesting to see the parallels between the necessity of a movie production needing mass produced props and the in-universe need for mass produced lightsabers.
A simple clean tool fits the Jedi.
I distinctly remember Qui-Gon’s lightsaber hilt being my favorite ever, Luke’s Jedi Master lightsaber being second of course but it’s something with the grips
It's gotta be Kanan's for me, love that tsuba style hand guard.
Yea! A Stat Wars Minute throwback
If I was a Jedi in the prequel I could use high republic era Jedi lightsaber like crossgueard
Battle trophies. A constant state of War brings out more flamboyant and flashy uniforms, whether that be practical or less practical, doesn't matter it's all for show. More victories, more trophies to decorate your gear.
I know the comic says but "combat" sabers that are really less combat practical than the ornate ones🙄. the ornate ones didn't have flaws like using the force to deactivate, or having hilt guards that are practical.
Yeah but I thought I had heard something where it was said that the lightsabers in the prequels were fancy with designed lightsaber hilts. And Jedi had lost their way having their designed hilts and being generals in The Clone Wars.
Interesting then, that Dooku kept his design practical despite studying the archives when he built his lightsabre.
I mean wouldn’t it be like how swords are now? Look at old European ones with all the ornate details, but then during crusades and stuff it’d be blade+handle and thats it
I really enjoyed this new bit of lore about the Jedi. I like that the changes made to the Order was something done for practical reasons and not hubris or something like that. It was I was worried about how they would handle that but I was very pleased with this explanation.
It makes so much sense in hindsight, sacrificing elegance, style and flair for functionality and easy maintenance and repairs. I had actually never considered it the whole time during the run of the High Republic but yeah, the more elaborate, ornate and stylish sabers with high end materials and components would probably be more difficult to maintain than more simple designs. They were mostly used for ceremonial purposes up until that point, they still saw their fair share of use in battle and on missions but probably not so much to wear down the sabers all that much.
I actually thought it was a really creative way to explain the change in the style of the Jedi and their lightsabers between the High Republic and the prequels. It also doesn't take away from the ceremony of lightsaber construction. The sabers still remain very much a reflection of the Jedi who constructed them, that remains intact and those ornate materials and components are still available to Jedi to use if they liked to as we see with Huyang in The Clone Wars and some sabers in the prequels have gold and other fancy materials in their hilts. Most probably just chose to be practical in their construction. I think that makes perfect sense.
I mean I personally really disliked all the ornate designs. I think had I been a Jedi during the High Republic era, my lightsabers would have been much closer to the prequel ones. Ahsoka’s lightsabers are beautiful and they are nowhere as ornate as the High Republic ones. The whole concept of the Jedi having a ‘golden age’ just feels weird in general because no Jedi character would ever consider one time period better than another, in fact that would be something which would go against a lot of their philosophy. Especially because the Jedi would be fully aware that golden ages ultimately aren’t all that golden. The 1920s were considered a golden age in the US but if you were to ask African-Americans I’m sure they would dispute that label, particularly those living in Southern states.
Why is that Lightsaber QNA so familiar?
This reminded me of lightsaber handles being cut in half by other sabers. Would it be possible to damage a Kyber crystal in general or inside of a hilt with an activated lightsaber blade?
Very possible
How does creating a Gold Hilted Lightsaber take ages to finish?
Guardian Protocols in essence staying active even after them being needed shows quite well how the jedi began to fall
How the hell is undergoing a cultural shift the first step towards their ‘fall’? (Which by the way the Jedi didn’t fall; they were hunted to extinction in a genocidal campaign that began with a massacre, the victims of which had their bodies desecrated including the children who were murdered). Every single group in history has undergone countless cultural shifts across their existence, plenty of which are still around and those that aren’t is because they were destroyed by colonial powers. More than that this is ultimately just a design shift and those happen even more often than cultural ones.
@@Ecokiz The jedi by the time of the prequel had lost their way. That's like the whole point of why they lost.
@@KalaamNozalys no they didn’t, that goes in direct opposition to what Lucas has said in every single one of his interviews; the plot of Episode I is them helping liberate an planet occupied by an invading force who were placing the population into labour camps. That doesn’t sound like losing their way to me. Now TCW did address how the clone wars was making them lose their way but that was in a war which Sidious specifically designed to push the Jedi to beyond the brink and even then we see the Jedi always duck out of dealing with politics like they’re supposed to given they’re not elected officials. We also have Tarkin complain the Jedi weren’t going far enough to get victory with Anakin Skywalker agreeing with him. And speaking of Anakin, the Jedi ultimately lost because he spent the whole of Episode III shutting everyone out, even Padme, and ultimately choose to give into his worst self enabling Sidious to activate Order 66 and force the clones to kill the Jedi, something that wouldn’t have happened had Anakin killed him. Besides you say they lost, but did they? Way too much unnecessary suffering and way too many atrocities happened as a result of Anakin’s choice, but the Sith did get destroyed. Ultimately the Jedi won, not lost.
@@Ecokiz ..dude you miss the entirepoint.
The jedi in the prequels are too focused on politics instead of the Force.
I guess no use in arguing with star wars fan, they don't watch the movies
@@KalaamNozalys oh you’re funny. I’ve watched all the movies and whole of clone wars show multiple times, read and watched multiple interviews with George Lucas, and listened to his film commentary. He made it perfectly that the Jedi could only watch Palpatine hoarding power because they weren’t allowed to be involved in the politic process and nowhere on-screen do they demonstrate having any kind of political power and are either consistently ignored or outright strong armed by the politicians. And we see the Jedi don’t want to get involved in politics either; to quote a Mace Windu line directly from TCW: “I’ll leave the politics to you, Senator.”
How dare you insult qui gon's lightsaber...
I didn’t know the words “to this” were meant to be an insult.
It’s not like he called it a poster tube or something, that’d be telling the truth
@@myriadmediamusings personally i think it kind of is since it is comparing a lightsaber to a "bad" lightsaber.
He didn't disrespect it , he just said High republic ones are more beautiful.
I mean, that big, doofy ass red button is a bit much....
Ironically, handguards are actually very functional things to have on a sword/lightsaber. But I guess they're mostly effective in a lightsaber duel... well, any melee combat, actually, but they aren't as necessary if you're mostly deflecting blaster bolts 🤷♂. The gold is definitely ornate and serves no function other than beauty, lol 😅
Apparently count douku didn’t get the message 💯
So no more Protection and Defense sabers 😉
I think the lightsabers became less ornate because after the Nihil Crisis they didn’t see a need for the crossguard sabers or light whips because the galaxy was in peacetime so they all just switched to standard designs, the double-bladed one, and the lightsaber pike.
Say what you want about the high republic era of star wars but their lightsabers are cool as hell
Completely unrelated to lightsabers but how does instant communication work in Star Wars?
I don't know how, even with the "physics" of the Star Wars Galaxy, that would be possible.
Even with some sort of relay network it would still be held to near light speed or slower and I've never heard of the most powerful force user or most technologically advanced device sending non-physical things through hyperspace.
I just don't understand how that would be possible even within the Star Wars Galaxy.
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You'd think a crossguard would be more practical for combat: more coverage from blasters.
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Some people in these comments are just oh wow like no attachment lol
Thats not to say that the PT lightsabers aren’t beautiful.
To me the whole ornate lightsaber to just seems wasn’t needed it just seems too showy and not practical for my taste I stick with the lightsabers we already have.
This feels really unnecessary, like it was made a plot point for people who need to be spoonfed details and lore rather than make inferences or pick up on subtle world building.
Then why are you here like literally
@@bullrun2772 to watch the video? Are you impaired?
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Frankly; the gaudy High Republic sabers/robes seem out of character for supposedly peace loving monks who have devoted their lives to the service of others.
It should have been the other way around -the display of wealth/privilege/fashion should have been a sign of corruption; not virtue.
See this is exactly why I dislike the aesthetic of the High Republic, which honestly I’m kind of uncomfortable with in general because I keep getting pro-colonial vibes from it, which I very much doubt was the intention of anyone involved in the project.
I'm a huge fan of saber styles, and variations like Maul's and Dooku's, but some of this Disney Wars ornamentation is just meh. Crossguards on a lightsaber just do not look right to me.
That’s funny most were also in legends lol
Honestly… the high republic style is so outside of the style I really wish it was non canon. The opulence doesn’t fit the Jedi religion to me. No attachment. Why would they put so much time and effort into their style? And gold feels so arrogant.
They should have doubled down on the style and the tone of episode 1’s opening. Much more stoic, and mysterious.
No attachment lol f
Gold huh? What are you talking about lol
Then go back to the prequels not everything has ti be the same
@@bullrun2772 look at any high republic art. Their robes are all covered in gold.
@@erik7317 and? What’s so arrogant about gold tho
The one who came up with the idea of making the lightsabers less fancy ... is my most hated High Republic character 😭
It's because the original star wars was cheap.
The irony is that the lightsabers of the films look way cooler than the lightsabers of the High Republic. High Republic sabers are what we call 'overdesigned'.
Well thats just your opinion
It’s an opinion I agree with wholeheartedly.
If the HR style sabers were what we were introduced to in 1977 and 1999, we'd all have entirely different opinions.
Also having an ornate lightsaber is showing arogance, wich is a shadow of greed. From greed its not that far into faling to the Darkside and still thinking your one of the good guys.
That's like trying to say creativity is bad, showcasing art is dangerous, but in reality; narrow minded views clouds judgement.
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Because its just made up.
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Honestly, that's kind of an unnecessary explanation. Why does it matter? Why couldn't it just be a matter of "it was the style at the time"? Sometimes they like to overexplain stuff.
that is exactly what the explanation is.
@@SpottedHares Yeah, but why an edict to transition to "battle sabers" or whatever? Why even explain it at all?
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