EXCLUSIVE - Special Announcement of Rhino High Fidelity’s next 2 ROCK releases!
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Please join Steve Westman as he welcomes Patrick Milligan Sr. Director of A & R at Rhino Entertainment to exclusively announce the next 2 releases from the Rhino High Fidelity series to be released on rhino.com July 12th @ 6 am.
Please tell me what I am missing here. Why would they do Bad Company when it was just released for Atlantic 75th. Could it really be that much better? I don’t think so. Why not do titles that haven’t been done instead of the same old ones over and over again
Personally I avoid the 45's as I don't like the making a single album a double album thing. I think its a great to have a 33 rpm option.
@@jasonnewby I agree Jason, I have the 75h issue on clear vinyl that they put out and I think it sounds good and is great value for the money (I paid $25.00) it was remastered but I can’t find out by who ?
Agreed I was like what!? I just bought that! saves me money though lol
@@michaelrogers8126clear vinyl is not cut directly from
analog master tapes
On the bright side. I just saved a hundred bucks.
I was thinking the same thing.
Yes!!!!!
@@charlieanderson8497 same
No disrespect to Patrick, but Rhino's been saying "We're working on the shipping and packaging problems" and "We are frustrated too and are trying to fix it" for months and months. Trying to do something and actually doing something is two different things. If the company Rhino employs doing shipping is bad, go somewhere else. Not rocket science.
Patrick is giving lip service.
My latest purchase in this series (Van Morrison) arrived in a less than sturdy mailer. Massive ding to one of the corners as a result. Surely it’s more cost effective to acquire better packaging materials than have to deal with all the many requests for replacement copies they must receive? Overall, this has been a great series, but you always hold your breath each time you order in the hope the record arrives unscathed!
@@James_Electric And how many times are we gonna hear "we are designing a new Rhino branded shipping box" ...No need to design anything, just copy Mike/Ingroove or Chad's box.
@@EddieJazzFan or buy some Mighty Mailers or Whiplash mailers.
Relayer is a great choice. Happy its getting the Kevin Gray treatment.
Thanks so much for the shout-out and kind words, Steve and Patrick! Writing notes for a favorite record from a favorite band is the thrill of a lifetime, and I hope everyone enjoys this terrific new edition of 'Relayer.' One point of clarification @Steve: the quote about listening in the best possible way comes directly from Patrick Moraz, who I spoke with for several hours in research/prep for these notes. He is so proud of this record that his enthusiasm is infectious--I've listened to 'Relayer' endlessly since our talk. Super nice guy and an amazing talent. He put the phone next to an electric piano during our chat and started improvising on the intro to "Sound Chaser" which was WILD!
As a hard core Yes fan I disagree with Relayer being the end of the golden age of Yes. Going for the One absolutely belongs in there.
The end of the golden Ear was Tales from a Topographic Ocean. That vistually killed prog. Relayer was somewehat of a redemption.
@@mazzysmusic to each his own. But it hardly "virtually killed prog." Two years later Yes was headlining a tour of major stadiums. The infamous JFK stadium tour had 106,000 people in the audience. That's pretty ****ing far from dead (in the voice of Ving Rhames) They also sold out 5 nights at Madison Square Garden in 1977.
The Bad Co is curious given the Atlantic 75th release. Anything YES is a good choice.
The Bad Co would have made far more sense as an early RHF title before the 45 released. I imagine some who bought the 45 already might not be inclined to double dip for a 33.
That Yes album isn't one I've heard before today, but I'm gonna get it. Just the 20 min track on side 1, plus enjoying what I've heard on streaming, is a great sign I'll love that release. Anytime I see an album with 10-20 min tracks, I have to try the album. 😂
Dave, assumed you've possibly addressed 1-2 times since Rhino's (outstanding HF series) contractor packaging miscues began but figured I'd poll you directly herein. Have you personally received damaged HF releases in Dallas? I've bought 6-7 titles to date and haven't had jacket issues to AR as of yet.
@@DanielHog13 I have been very lucky with no damage. However I often buy several albums at a time which usually yields more robust packaging.
Steve, when you showed LZIII my mouth dropped. Too bad it’s not true.
That was the most cruel joke, especially since side 2 of LZ3 is one of my favorite sides of all time. I have a US GP and later 70's UK but would have bought LZ3 in a heartbeat.
@@VQR420But hey, at least you get Bad Company amirite!? 😂
Zeppelin, Bowie, Smiths, Joy Division & Rush would all be good !!!
R.E.M. too
Don't understand why Bad company has been done when Analogue productions did a 45RPM recently, Atlantic 75 Bad Company was done on 33RPM, agree with others do something that has not been repressed on audiophile Vinyl recently !!! Don't care for Yes, not my thing !!!
Steve, why don’t you ever have follow up questions? You could have asked if the August release was a 2 lp version or just pressed him a little.
Because any tough questions would stop the gravy train of free records
Can’t believe the Bad Company when we have a superb 45rpm reissued in the last year. This series is hit and miss but aren’t they all ?
Not everyone wants a 45rpm hassle.
@@mikep8683totally agree. I don't know many who'd rather have a 45 when it comes to convenience and $.
@@mikep8683yes getting up is so hard… I bet many in the VC could use it.
Who's buying bad company on 45 rpm? 😂 I could see dishing for the creme de la creme, but that ain't it. 45 RPM is a hassle that has to be really worth the trouble imo.
Steve's new Rhino HF piece herein are all 33RPM vinyl.
Gene Clark - No Other
Tom Waits - The Heart of Saturday Night 🙏🙏
I have heart on vinyl sounds good!
It'll take years to sell out 5000 copies each of these Yes and Bad Company records D2C. Wait until they unload them to retail stores and get discounted.
Take a good look at the top selling titles over at Acoustic Sounds. A couple weeks ago Yes titles were #1 and #2 for both vinyl and SACD.
Yes and Bad Co again, that's a letdown for me. Wished for Diamond Dogs.
Bowie would be awesome. Pretty sure this was the first Yes title in this series
The website states that it’s AAA cut from “the master tapes” but in the video, Patrick states that it’s taken from a 1st gen “copy”. It would be nice to have this clarified/confirmed.
It should not take a year to fix bad shipping and fix the ability to answer a customer service email. Rhino is the only company who can’t figure it out. Even VMP with all the problems they are having are near perfect in that department. This doesnt even touch the issues people had with back ordered Black Sabbath orders.
I’m a serious YES Devotee and appreciate RELAYER being given the 33 rpm high FI treatment. The AP 45 of the YES album is on my turntable Constantly . superb.
Isn't the 45 by Ryan Smith and from a copy tape? This will be a different cut. Not sure if its from the US copy of the master
@@mazzysmusic It is the U.S. copy. How do we know which is the original and which is the copy though between the UK and US? I know audiophiles are all about "country of origin" but Atlantic Records was based in NYC. The tapes were theirs.
@@scottwheeler2679 we don’t unless we are told. Many records are made from copy tapes even within country of origin. And in reality nobody would hear the difference.
@@mazzysmusic analog tape copies are never perfectly audibly transparent. anytime a reel to reel deck either plays or records it is subject to wow and flutter and azimuth misalignment. Anytime one records on analog tape there is added audible noise. With a tape transfer you have two sources of wow and flutter and potential azimuth misalignment with the two decks being used as well as the added tape noise. Is it a noticeable difference? Is it a big difference? That will vary from transfer to transfer. differences in mastering will likely have bigger impact. If I had my way all of these audiophile reissues would start with high res digital transfers from the original master tapes or best existing source using the Plangent process which not only corrects wow and flutter from the transfer but goes back and corrects wow and flutter on the original recording. It gives us a digital file that is better than the original recording.
Disappointing, very disappointing.
How so?
Shipping is ridiculous!! I order immediately when these are posted on Rhino’s website and get very late numbers in the series. And it takes forever for it to ship. I watch others post videos on RUclips about receiving their albums already-while mine haven’t even shipped yet. It almost seems like the fulfillment company ships west coast first and then works its way east (I’m on the east coast.). No one else in the business has such poor fulfillment and shipping.
When I order anything on line and I see the words "fulfillment company", I always get a bad vibe.
These are actually astoundingly confusing titles to choose. On the bright side, I’ve just saved about $100 this month 😅
I feel like we’re never gonna get a glorious Rhino Hi-Fi box of The Smiths ☹️🥺 None of their albums have *ever* been given true “audiophile” reissues, so a high quality Stoughton box set mastered by Kevin Gray would be a reeeeeeally big deal.
Completely agree! R.E.M.'s I.R.S. records deserve it, too.
i'd like to ask Patrick - many of the Rhino reissues i have heard sound great, many original album pressings are supposed to sound the best but if Rhino can just smooth off the rough edges and improve the sound on modern playback systems from many of them after all this time then it would be a great attraction for those of us who own the original albums and newcomers on the vinyl scene, to spend money on these albums we need more of a a great incentive to do so, including shipping, a very important part of the deal!
I knew it was Relayer! It's awesome-my favorite YES album. I'm assuming that AP discarded Relayer for the 75th series because "Gates of Delirium" would take up like 3 sides in a 45 rpm format. So, I was very hopeful that Rhino HIFI would do it. Thank you very much, Rhino. I have a Porky Prime cut in NM condition, but I always thought it could sound better, so I'm looking forward to hearing what Kevin did. Now, regarding the Bad Company record: it's not my cup of tea, but I believe fans of this album should be really happy to have what could probably be the ultimate 33 rpm version of it. Next, please give us some Deep Purple and more Black Sabbath. I love this series!
FFS... the mailing issue is an easy fix. Mighty Mailers. I buy them in 50 packs for my record store and they run me about $1.80 each, so I'm sure someone with the buying power of Warner can probably get them for close to $1 each. I've shipped hundreds of LPs with Mighty Mailers and have only had maybe 2 damaged in shipping, and they were seriously mangled.
Extremely disappointing. I’m not trying to sound derogatory or offensive, but I do believe it’s not just the 70s rock albums (the ‘Boomer’ albums, yes) that deserve audiophile treatments…
Bad Company S/T again! How many brains did it take to decide that was a good choice? Lol
I’m guessing
David Bowie - Diamond Dogs
Rush - Self titled
Side note: Thanks for all the great content Steve 😉👍
Anything's possible, but they literally put out a half-speed master cut of Diamond Dogs a month ago for the 50th anniversary. Fun to speculate, though! Rhino's been showing Joni Mitchell a lot of love, lately, so maybe Court and Spark?
PARANOID!!!
@@aberlin01yeah I didn’t realize about the Bowie release. 🤦♂️🤣 I think they are both supposed to be rock titles, so I did a scrub of rock albums 1974 and tried to see which artists rhino would have access to. Fun to make guesses though. I was also thinking maybe Zappa (‘)?
I’m glad Relayer is finally getting a proper Audiophile reissue, it’s the last truly great Yes album from their prog era.
@@poetryonplastic my OG copy sounds damn good
September = Earth, Wind and Fire
I was thinking the same thing.
I was thinking that too. Probably my favorite disco song.
ooh that's a good guess!
I’d buy that. Not interested in these two!
Hell yes ! Audiophile relayer. Great choice patrick m. Just bought. I wish you would do tales from topographic next
LAAAAMMMMEEEEEEEE
Gates of Delirium is an adaptation of War and Peace. Tales from Topographic Oceans sold very well. Please do Tales!!! This album was the pinnacle of Alan White's drumming.
Ordered both yesterday, hopefully all arrives well to UK (as they have done previously) 💥
RHF should do an R.E.M. I.R.S. albums box with "Chronic Town", "Murmur", "Reckoning", "Fables of the Reconstruction", "Life's Rich Pageant", and "Document". Each one of these records is long overdue for the audiophile treatment. I believe you could easily sell 5000 numbered copies (at least).
I just got my order. The packaging was state of the art. You could toss this package around like a Frisby and the records would be undamaged. And of course my records were completely unblemished. They have fixed the problem
That's great news. 👍
I wished people would look into the 90s bands. Soundgarden’s Superunknown needs an analog release.
It needs a 30th anniversary release THIS YEAR!
I forgot about the shipping, the records I've been getting is in random used mailers it looks like something I'd receive from a home shipper off eBay actually most of the home shippers do better than this huge record company, there shipping is the most unprofessional I have seen from a company.
There is no chance the Bad Company Release will better the Atlantic 75th Anniversary released by A.P. from a few months back. Spend the extra $20.00 and get the best-sounding VERSION of this record regardless if you are an Audiophile person or not. The build-up for these 2 releases was really pumped up, only to really fall short. Zero interest.
We donlt know. I usually prefer KG over Ryan Smith and the 45 was from a copy tape. Plus there is the ussue of the 45 flow, or lack of.
You seriously need to look at the packaging. The Devo release took me 15 minutes to get it back into the cover. Shoddy workmanship.
BS Steve, Patrick isn’t working on shipping. Just talk and no action
I’m a sucker for Yes reissues, but I’m a little confused about a high fidelity Relayer. I’ve always considered that recording to be not up to par, and I assumed it was the way it was recorded, using their live board for tracking in Squires untested home studio. The Steve Wilson remix fixed some of the issues, but the mid frequency cluster of poor sound still stacks up once all the instruments come in. I’m aware that I’m in the minority of opinion on this.
If Rhino managed to get high fidelity out of that original master tape (copy, whatever) I will gladly fork over my $. That will be fantastic news!
I am really perplexed like everyone why do Bad Co. again, just a money grab? Are they running out of titles? please ask and get back to us.
Is there any particular reason the US copy tape was used for Relayer? If it's an issue of the original tape being able to go to the US, Rhino might want to look into using a mastering house in Europe.
SCM at Emil Berliner would be an excellent candidate, given her excellent reputation for cutting for DG and also apprenticing under KG. Jimmy Page might be convinced to let LZ be on RHF if he personally could carry over the tapes to her. :p
I'm all in on Relayer still, since I love prog yet have never heard that album before today. What I've heard on Qobuz, plus the assurance Rhino customer service has gotten better, made me pull the trigger.
Third one from Rhino and all three have arrived with inner sleeve seam splits and corner damage! I will pay extra for better shipping containers! Call Chad and ask him where he gets his packaging from……oh btw it sounds great!
I'm a big fan of this series, and i appreciate Patrick addressing the shipping issues. Maybe he could gather input on future release ideas from the customer base here? Glad they still keep coming out!
Sorry, but until Rhino has a terrible shipping dept. They are slow in shipping, waited over 3 weeks before my order was shipped, and the packaging is 3rd class. I can't understand how crappy the packaging is. They need to copy Chad's packaging. I ship all my records using Whiplash packaging. It's expensive, but it's worth it, no corner dings or seam splits.
Please re-issue tiny Tim’s. God bless Tiny Tim.
😂Hilarious . I wonder how many people will have to Google who is!?
Steve...thanks for this! I nearly pulled the trigger on the AP Bad Company, but this is a better option IMO. Great surprise seeing 'Relayer' as the second new release. Both ordered.
I'm still holding on to my sealed Rhino hifi Television MM with a nasty seam split at the top of the jacket. I wish I could exchange it for an undamaged copy. If Rhino at least held back some copies of these releases to address these problems, it would go a long way with us avid collectors
greetings from north east thailand, close to the mekong river.
Agree
So, they really weren't a brand new band. Paul and Simon were in Free together first, and Free was a hit band. If not for the loss of their guitar player, Bad Company may never have happened.
hard to fathom bad company not in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FRAME.
Are You kidding me, Bad Company was it in 74'. You shouldn't have to talk this Album up. Its the very definition of Classic Rock.
this was the big announcement from Rhino Hi Fi? for real? my lord this is getting silly. Rhino really missed the mark this time.
They should have done something different, Analogue productions already did Bad Company.
Silly
I know.......let's put out one of the most NON commercial/popular Yes albums that they made. Should have went with "Living On The Fault Line" by the Doobie Brothers.
This will be a hard pass for me! with the big catalog they have, and we get dudes!
Chad is laughing so hard right now!
The self titled Bad Company is one of the greatest debuts of All-time but to Reissue it again after all the recent entries is kinda lazy in my opinion...looks like I will stay with my minty UK Original 🇬🇧🧨
As far as shipping problems...best way to avoid this is to SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RECORD STORES!!!
Cheers 👍
Do a Rhino HiFi of Paranoid! That one hasn’t been reissued for far too long
I've now got 80 bucks burning a hole in my pocket. Thanks Rhino! 😊
Ive just signed up with rhino, and purchased relayer, I'm in the uk , ive got relayer in the steven wilson box set , just hope it arrives in good shape after reading some of the comments 😮. I would have liked the sabbath lp but im not paying the inflated ebay prices.
Can't wait for the NEXT NEXT two releases!
I got this Bad Co Friday. Sounds great. But Definitely not as impressive as the previous Rhino HiFi releases. I was surprised to be underwhelmed, tbh. I have the Rocktober release from last year and there is no real discernible difference. Highs are a bit crisper on the Rocktober pressing. Still happy to have this. And it trounces the OG for sure, though thats not saying much. I didn’t want to get the Analogue Productions 45 rpm for an album with only 8 tracks. So I’m glad this came out. Thanks for the video
I enjoyed the discussion and thanks Steve, but that was a bit of a letdown. I’m sure some folks will be happy, but here is to better stuff the next round. Since they did 1st and second Cars, which I love, why not do Sabbath 2nd album, Paranoid. Bowie is always good, but how about Ramones Rocket to Russia, Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight, or R.E.M. Murmer? I think those two would sellout more than Bad Company, just my opinion.
I got the Devo Rhino HF release.....it's fantastic!
Yes. It's so well done.
gonna pass this round... Please release Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths, etc.... (also Janes Addiction)
Yes. Those are being looked at. Patience.
@@stevewestman7774 and I have an original UK Unknown Pleasures but I really want to see what Kevin can do!
Wow! What a letdown. I’ll be saving some money this month.
How can you get it so wrong.
I was just looking around on the Rhino website. I really wish they would show all the sources of their records on their website. Are we to assume everything they press has a digital step unless otherwise indicated? Depeche Mode - Speak and Spell for example is just $20. How would I find out if it's pressed using an all analog process?
I'll go for maybe Burn : Deep Purple not sure about the other
Burn would have been great.
Steve, would you please discuss with Patrick the possibility of setting up a subscription to Rhino High Fidelity releases? I'm sure it would be extremely popular. It could be made even more "special" by a separate series of numbers, such as, S0001 through S1000. Just a thought. Keep up the great work, I really enjoy your videos.
Give us some of the Sire stuff!
I just bought an OG Spanish press of Bad Co. I gotta say it’s freaking amazing. I am sure KPG pressing is great…. Hmm. Didn’t they coordinate on the A75? Seems like we need other titles. Nobody was asking for these. What about Free? Is that a Warner band? What about Quicksilver Messenger Service? What about Devo Q: Are we not men? Maybe Patrick should setup a website for us and list all the bands available…then we can figure out what we want. Nobody needs or wanted Yes. Patrick? We need a crowd sourced method to determine what we want you to do. I could also see Robert Plant’s principle of moments or fate of nations. What about the first few rush albums. Those need the KpG treatment. 2112, farewell to kings. What about smashing pumpkins? We have some good reissues…. But a true AAA of Gish/Siamese Dream would be great. What about STP - tiny music, STP - Four
I can't listen to anything right now, my Fluance RT -84 has trouble spinning after i did a very stupid thing and put "sewing machine oil" on the spindle! Hopefully the electronics guy can fix it tomorrow! I just hope i didn't f**k it up permanently!😢
Had a feeling "Bad Co" would be one of the choices.
Not a bad track on that album for me. Love the original.
I totally agree Steve, that Simon's Ludwig's, much like Bonzo's Ludwig's, drive everything!
Both drummers had very distinctive styles, but equally were just as different.
Very interesting to hear that Nevison probably copied Bonham's mic set up? Although used Neuman's 87's condensers instead of Shure's?
Such an incredible live drum sound all the same.The quintessential Bad Co. drum sound.
Big shout out to the late Ronnie Lane's (ex Faces) mobile recording unit.Built be Nevison himself.
Responsible for so many other great albums as well.
Do debut albums get released, much better than this?
Maybe that is why, this particular album is receiving, the "Rhino treatment", to mark it's 50th anniversary?
Hopefully we will see "Straight Shooter" get selected when it's 50th anniversary rolls around next year.
Bravo! Great choice Patrick and Rhino on selecting "Bad Co". At 33. Which for me is still the way to go!
In my opinion, just can't beat an original 33 1/3 original UK pressing of any Zeppelin, or Bad Co. album.
'Yes' was my brother's band. "Tales of Topographic Ocean" and "Yessongs" etc...Never got into them personally.Although I always took artistic inspiration from Roger Dean's amazing album covers. I'm sure though this issue of 'Relayer' will be special though.How could it not? Enjoyed the video Steve.
Hey Steve - would you please ask PM if rhino intends on running the sold out hi fidelity reissues? Thanks
I may have to get the Nad Company 45 now to compare
Super super lame. I was excited about ‘74. Could have been so many great albums. Lame.
My Black Sabbath title was perfect upon arrival from Rhino btw
I’d say this is Ho hum news. There seems to be the same retread bands if not albums from the desperate reissuers. When is someone going to do their homework and find some popular if not seminal albums that were recorded at the end of the analogue era. This by default would mean they are more recent albums even though that means at least 30 years old. 🤷
Simple answer they have to have at least a potential of 5000 customers willing to spend a bunch of money on an audio file record and they have to pick artist that have a base that possibly a small percentage of them would pay a bunch of money for a limited addition, classic LP. That’s the answer, it’s all about money my man and this is a hobby and music means a lot to a lot of people including myself and I’m willing to spend the big bucks for an audio file recording but I’m one out of 100 or 200 that would do that but I appreciate it and I’m an audio file and this is a hobby and a very expensive hobby but very enjoyable. If you’re in the music, it’s just a hobby.
Great, don't have to bother about these then because of Atlantic 75. Those are available all over the world, which these one's are not.
oh dear, what a miss this round....
no august title?
They have a vast collection to pull from and this is what they come up with ? Do better in picking titles and get your head out of your ass about the shipping issues people are still having !
Hard pass on both titles for me I’m afraid! Bad Company is a strange choice given the recent AP 45 release. Hopefully the next release(s) will offer something more interesting. 🤞
Audiophile Sex Pistols is an oxymoron
Its a very well recorded album
@@davidbarnes3232 Oh I love it...but it aint audiophile. Thats the charm.
@@davidbarnes3232Fantastic recording. Definitely.
The Smiths? That'll sell around a hundred copies.
I’m guessing August is a Double Album - they have not done that yet.
Rainbow with Ronnie James Dio
good god what a disappointment! wow AP jus did it, i am sooooo bummed out!
Excited for Yes, Relayer. But Bad Company is a little disappointing for obvious reasons
No mention of the Atlantic 75 release? That’s quite boring repetition I’m afraid.
I would love Van Halen s/t!!
I love this series but some of the selections are very underwhelming. Looks like I’ll be saving some money this time around anyway.
I just bought a white label promo of Relayer. Waiting now for a comparison when this comes in. 😊
I'm enjoying my rhino cut. I have a very well played Canadian OG from my Dad's collection. So nice to have a fresh copy.
Whomp whomp. Thank goodness. Now I can save some money
Really enjoyed the program. While you're coming up with your next love/hate selections as well as trying to figure out how to ship the elephant in the room. Make a black mug with your red logo on it available. It would be easy enough to do. I didn't get the 45 caliber BAD CO. so I'm going to get the Rhino version. I'm hit or miss with the band Yes, this being a miss, but for others, glad you got what you wanted.
Well I'll save my money for the next batch
I have the AP 45 Bad Company already which is so-so in my opinion. Maybe I’ll order and sell my AP version.
This won’t be better, it’s not a well recorded album.
Well the Zeppelin intro had me reaching for my wallet but disappointment set in. Have the 45rpm of Bad Company and no on Yes.