Don't use these weapons, don't use these talismans, don't use any game mechanics ... Brother should we not play the game at all??? Sometimes I just hate Elden Ring community.
Personally, I always hate the community. The biggest problem is that elden ring blew up and countless people started playing souls-like for the first time because of it, so anything that doesn't suit their masochistic ideals is "bad", and people who have been playing souls for a long time just tip their hat, avoid eye contact, and walk faster. Not like I'm some kind of veteran either, but I've half a brain at least so I can proudly say I'm not as stupid as those people are. They probably heard of souls-like 5 years ago and thought "ppffft, a game completely reliant on skill? I'd never play that" and then they play it, and fall in love with it, but their brain didn't develop enough to understand that "hey, maybe skill isn't the only thing required to play this game" Which leads us here, and every weapon that's remotely good gets nerfed because of them Sure, some nerfs are reasonable, but I would argue that most these nerfs are not. A weapon going from "DAMN THIS IS INSANE" to "wow this sucks" is just ridiculous.
@@Swarthy. if game mechanics exist, they are probably there to be used by the player ... If you want to challenge yourself and do a naked, bare fist, no runes run, that is perfectly fine, just don't be obnoxious and tell everyone that this is the RIGHT way to play. Some people just want to play the damn game and play with all that it offers, experience all the stuff that devs actually worked hard on ffs. It's also ironic, how much they boast how the game is about skill, but then start crying how moonveil is OP, because they can't handle a noob with Moonveil lmao. Just get good, mate, what seems to be the problem? :)
I also faintly remember that there was a small community of people that would invade/gatekeep the tunnels leading to the moon veil. I think they called themselves The Veil Keepers or something like that.
@@OnlyWaifuYTNah they were trying to save people from becoming a Virginity Keeper, because the moment one gets their hands on the Moonveil, that's it. No more sun. No more grass. No more maidens. Only L2 + R2.
I started with the samurai class and enjoyed using the katana. I similarly got good use out of unsheathe. I wasn't using the internet for my first playthrough, so upon finding moonveil as both a katana (which I enjoyed) and having a straight up better unsheathe, I loved the thing. The fact that everyone seems to hate it came as a bit of a shock. But, I don't really do the pvp on elden ring, so in the end, I don't really care. Ima use whatever. Like COME AZUR!!!
I mean, I've beat the game like 3 or four times now, I'm on my 5th playthrough to shake off the rust because of the DLC (which Moonveil isn't especially good in anyways) and I've only used the katana setup on my first play-through. Hell, on my last play-through I decided to be a punchy boy to the end and it was fun as hell.
@@FauxFoxPaw That's perfectly fine. You have the right to play the way you want, though i do advise to eventually grow out of Moonveil and try different things, recently i've seen some streamers going through the DLC by just spamming L2 with Moonveil and Rivers of Blood and its PAINFUL to watch lol
3:20 just want to mention that the meteorite staff is right near rock sling, so you can skip the upgrade staff part (it’s effectively already +25 and boosts rock sling damage as well)
Oh yes, just south of the basement you find rocksling, in a room with some flowers. The combination is excellent. Already S scaling, but you can't upgrade the staff. Still hesitant to go after the magma wyrm, though, as i'm not all that good at the game still.
Night Comet is also an OP spell that wrecks as its invisibility properties makes most enemies not dodge it. all npc enemies in pve get destroyed brutally with repeated casts of night comet in their faces. I use it as my main spell for the entire game.
for everything there is in any given game, there will be people that hate it. The Majority of people that hate moonveil are pissed because its a compartively strong weapon and hence makes the game easier. They are annoyed at the fact that they have to "suffer more" and they think you doing whatever the F you please takes away from their achievement of beating the game...
I mean... It's kinda average now.. If there is a mod for Moonveil, it would be a lot better like 5 times better. My kind specifications for a modded Moonveil is that you can buff the weapon, similar to the dark moon Greatsword and the heavy r2s must be similar to the serpentbone blade and has transient moonlight but the light r1 has three slashes which all counted as hits and the r2 is is a horizontal and vertical slash. That's my specifications and opinion
Honestly, the weapon is really fun to use if you're not constantly spamming Transient Moonlight. Using it sparingly and punishing either long wind ups or recovery animations while getting quick hits with the main attack leads to a pretty fun dynamic. I don't use it anymore (because the Dark Moon Greatsword exists) but it was fun while it lasted. Test it out of you want, don't let anyone make you feel bad about it.
i found moonveil day 2, of the games release, i just liked the design so i stuck with it, i normally play str builds in the souls games but in elden ring the moonveil put me on the path to int builds, i can never not use the moonveil at the start
@@TheTraveler980I mean, you give away your secret. Other accounts like yours popping up and making very similar videos would be bad for growth and viewership. Can’t blame them.
Moonveil is just awesome. I liked Dex int build with a katana since demon’s souls. Then in dark souls 1 Dex also decrease spell cast time, so it was even more fun for me. Elden ring offered a katana that scales with both Dex and int and that katana even has a magical beam. Most awesome weapon for me. Don’t care what other people say. I play the game the way I like.
Exactly. I can see it being annoying in pvp but in pve, who cares? Im on a new run rn and trying to find smth other than bloodhound fang (my noob crutch)
@@malekartorian3054if you like curved greatswords, get a dismounter or omen cleaver, i personally use a fire dismounter with flaming slash rn and it hits like a truck, but the good thing about using non-somber weapons is playing around with different ashes of war.
Also after reducing poise damage, it looks like meteoric ore blade has a better stance breaking(at least in feels like that with gravitas+heavy attack), which kinda track because the blade is supposed to be heavier and made out of...well, meteor. It also has more of a kendo overhand strike, which always nice variation.
I don't understand why people have this opinion. In my eyes Moonveil requires more skill to use than Bloodhound's fang. I could never play with moonveil, way to different from my playstyle.
Moonveil haters after getting absolutely shredded by the spinning slash bloodflame nagakiba (They cannot hate it because it is a based chungus chad reddit weapon)
If it's in the damn game, they need to stop crying like bitches. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" You think somebody should hold back to win against a random as fuck stranger? Hell no, that applies to anything competitive.
This inspires me to build a character centered around dual wielding Moonveil and Rivers of Blood while using Black Knife Tiche and occasionally the rot dog, and perfume. Dex, Int, and Arc sounds like a nice lil combo! Maybe every now and then I'll swap out rivers of blood with the sword of night and flame just to mix things up a bit. Oh! And poison clumps! Can't forget the poison clumps! I'll need those too because my kindred is hungry!
This video has opened my mind. I once was a gatekeeper, and told my friends not to use the moonveil, calling it noob/cheese weapon. But now I’ve seen the error in my ways, and thank you for this video it has helped see my misjudgment, and I’ll better myself down the line.
Love your channel. Really enjoying these vids about the updates and insight on past patches. Can't wait for you to have a mountain of content ready when dlc hits 💙
Not sure if this'll be seen, but some fun trivia regarding the Vergil stick. Peeve Peeverson, an invader and streamer, might be the "Patient 0" of moonveil users, man had an early review copy of the game and found the weapon on his first playthrough then proceeded to make a guide to obtaining it on his Twitter, several weeks pass, then he makes the Veilkeepers to atone for his sins of possibly popularizing the weapon. Truly the greatest of redemption arcs.
@FauxFoxPaw Oh, right. Pardon my confusion. Player covenants aren't that whack tbh, it's all in good fun, and that's just what I called it at the time, LOL. Warning: wall of trivia text. He made another in Elden Ring purely for pvp that's like his 2.0 of the Bloodshades that he made back in 2016 for Dark Souls 3 that tried to deal with the gank squad problem at the post Pontiff Sulyvahn area (and then his friend Oroboro came in with his own player covenant that were the polar opposite of Peeve's called the Crusaders LMFAO). IIRC saintriot and some other creators in the community hosted this event for charity where everyone made their own player covenants in Elden Ring too. It was really fun. All I'm saying is player covenants are just there in the community to make up for the lack thereof in Elden Ring or for an added level of fun you wouldn't normally find in one that does have covenants such as in DaS3 with Mound Makers, the Farron Watchers and the Aldrich Faithful co-invaders that would rather attack you than the host, just like now in Elden Ring with honor reds, or the confused ones that don't know how the Untrue Dark Ring and Furled Finger's Trick Mirror function even if you unequip them to show you're also a red and they keep hitting you like they're a bull.
The Zwei in DS1 REQUIRED you to learn how to toggle dodge, so it gatekept skill in a different way. Theres not really much you can do to save you from a double moonveil spam from the host and their level 300 friend in full bullgoats.
Honestly, why bother nerfing in pve? It's a video game. Message to the gatekeepers. The more people that feel welcome, the bigger your hobby gets. The more money they make. The more games they can make. More people to enjoy it. I use a reduvia so I'm probably on the targeted list 😂
Yesterday, I was the unfortunate victim of a Moonveil gank when fulfilling Varre's questline, and on a low-level character using knives and soldier armor, I stood no chance against a Furled Ringer in full Tree Sentinel with Moonveil while the host threw the kitchen sink at me. I can imagine that plenty of other players had to deal with this at some point or another, which is probably why the stained reputation persists to this day.
Meh i just assume every time i do that quest i lose, the average pve player going up against a experienced pvp specialized player is like a warthog vs a leopard fight the warthhog might kill the leopard but the odds are against you. Take the mandetory loss and move on...
you don't have to fight anyone for that quest. you just have to invade. you can finger cut out and it will still count towards the quest. you can also invade npcs and it will count.
For the sake of this quest, they specially added an NPC who can be invaded and killed without the volcano manor. I don't remember his name, but he's shaggy and armed with a spiked club
Honestly, the worst thing about moonveil (aside from the ridiculous damage) is the fact that you can use it VERY quickly and that in many situations doesnt give you an opportunity to react, so you lose half your HP.
Who even cares about PvP? This is not a PvP game. The latency is absolutely killing it. Nothing is more stupid than dodge an obviously easy move only to see yourself taking damage many frames later. Why even bother?
yeah but moonlight greatsword is slower but better for pve and hits REALLY DAMN HARD in pvp moonvail ash of war and its projectile can be parryd with carian retaliation or golden parry like i said with rob the range can parry from a far but im a elden ring max nerd ima shut up now
Ranni: “While you’re busy huffing Reddit-copium and chugging down Gatorade like there’s no tomorrow, fiends across the Lands Between are getting ready to jam their dual Bolts of Gransax up your bunghole. Do you really want to stick with that weeb trash when there are much better options?”
I like keeping it as a side weapon for people interrupting my play, especially at difficult areas. Your punishment is death at any cost. Put your red summon sign down and that’s a different story.
"Just let people use whatever they want in PVE." is such a stupid sentence. No one is preventing anyone from playing like a noob. If you want to use magic, bleed, spirit ashes, summons or Blasphemous Blade you absolutely can and no one is actually stopping you from doing so. People can do whatever they like and people can disapprove if they like. Letting other people influence how you play makes you a weakling, although if you used any of these being a weakling is a foregone conclusion.
Pretty agreed on your take on Moonveil as a whole. It's a pretty alright weapon and can be very good (have an Uchigatana with Glintblade Phalanx and cast Magic Glintblade while running Moonveil for the FULL Vergil effect) in PvE and PvP. It's a fun weapon though I'm more of a Dark Moon Greatsword or Wing of Astel man myself. I'm also a fan of Death's Poker, Helphen's Steeple and recently, the Glintstone Kris (aka my Pocket Comet).
@@smokinggnu6584The Magma Blade is easily one of my favorite weapons in the game and is 1000% with the farm. If you have the patience of the Almighty himself, getting two of them will lead you to the Promised Land that is Kratos at Home.
@@ironstark917 noted, i'll try for those when i get there, then. Currently contemplating trying for the moonveil right now, as directed in the vid. Doing a powerstance katana run, but wouldn't mind curved swords for a taste of variety.
@@smokinggnu6584 Hell yeah, dude! Moonveil is a fun weapon. Personally as a weapon class, I prefer Curved Swords over Katanas. With Curved Swords, I'm particular to the Magma Blade, Wing of Astel and the Shamshir. With Katanas, I tend to go Nagakiba and Uchigatana for their variety because they aren't locked into a specific weapon skill though I do like Moonveil and Hand of Malenia.
@@ironstark917 i'm thinking of also trying out curved swords or even straight swords. Aiming to farm a pair of magma blades as well, if only for the fact that they just look so cool.
Reason why you don't see falling star beast jaw ganks as much is because you have to fight a moderately challenging boss and progress through the game a fair bit to get it. Outside of that and having a friend give you one you're way better off just getting Moonveil because it's just easier to get. Even if the Beast Jaw is 10x more braindead, you actually might have to play the game to get it.
Not to mention you only need timing to dodge Gravity bolt spam so its easier than having to read the dumbass spamming moonveil, which has 2 projectiles with different reach and direction
I think the reason is different. Moonveil in ganks is usually used like this: spam spells from distance, and if invader is trying to close distance use Moonveil AoW. Fallingstar Best Jaw would be used instead of spell spam, but IMO Star Shower/Stars of Ruin are harder to dodge than Fallingstar AoW.
@@sergeysmyshlyaev9716 it's near impossible to dodge every projectile without using BHS or some other movement ability last I checked but with them both being nerfed since launch and both being pretty uncommon nowadays idk how they fare against each other.
I had a lot harder time with the wyrm than the falling star beast. It's literally "floor is lava" but in a really small room. Falling Star beast (on my gelmir iirc) has attacks that for the most part cover less area and if things get too hot you can jump down the spirit spring with torrent, heal up, and hop back up. It keeps its health as long as you don't rest at the grace.
As someone who has just bought elden ring, found your channel a week ago and watched your RoB video, Yes, I will become a RoB & Moonveil duel wielder main and wear any steam comments of BM in pride
And you'll live and pray by the L2 spam like a true lobotomy iPad baby drooling all over himself. You will get shit on everyday, every invasion, by everyone and people will laugh.
I am happy to count myself as one of the viewers who voted for "just another katana". I think moon veil is neat in terms of its AOW and the dmg it can do, but I never thought it was the most broken or "cheesy weapon". Especially after its nerfs.
Community: "using moonveil is a goddamm war crime!!!" Me: "Ehhhhh, l can sorta see it..." Community: "spinning slash is so fugging broken reeee!!!" Me: "...Do you just not know you can bait that?"
@@Nobody32990 Admittedly, yes, but the telegraphed sheathing is pretty low-key and, well, moonveil actually has *_range._* Spinning Slash has practically no gap closing to speak of by comparison. So l can sorta see the hate for moonveil, but this recent disdain for ez-bait spinning slash really does make me question the community's judgment.
Speed, damage, and FP cost are all a 10/10. There is no downside to using its AoW as opposed to others that trade of damage for speed, or fp cost. Not to mention to recovery is so fast it makes it impossible to punish after a successful dodge.
@@_You_Are_Not_Him_ It's only usable in 3v1 gank spanks and used solely by noobs as a result. Pretty much anyone can beat it 1v1 as the ash of war is so easy to dodge. Once the noob uses it five or so times and has to drink he's toast. Since hosts are typically 15 vigor casters it doesn't really need to punishable.
@@icebox1954 "Solely by noobs" grow the fuck up child, it's a video game. I can't believe you are so butt hurt by a item you have to talk shit, man oh man.... I'd hate to be you.
For me is still kinda anoying to fight against, in 1v1 because most of the players just uses it's aow, runs away and nothing more, and in invasions because well, is still drangerous not keeping an eye on it. Still, in the hands of someone that's good at the game, it's pretty scary to fight against.
I'm in complete agreement. I despise Moonveil, but not for any of the reasons listed in this video to my knowledge. I don't dislike it for the spam, I don't dislike it for making PVE easier for a new crowd of soulsborne players. I think a strong weapon is great in PVE, and more power to them. My main issue with Moonveil is fighting someone who knows what they are doing. Moonveil can and will be a crushingly punishing weapon in PVP in the hands of an expert simply because the animation is fast enough to punish virtually anything I do with no chance of dodging, and with the right setup can melt me at 60 Vigor in 1 or 2 hits. To make matters worse, I've had matches where latency was high enough that Moonveil was instant. No animation, nothing. Just pure damage. I've even had a match so bad that the arc from the blade came from behind me while my opponent was in front of me. The speed is crazy. While the hit *can* be parried, in poor latency matches good luck parrying something that quick without the prediction skills of a god. The only saving grace is that most Moonveil builds have little to no health, so if they don't one shot you, you can probably close the distance and end them first. On good latency, against someone who isn't an expert with Moonveil, this weapon is alright. It doesn't need a nerf, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. I think that in terms of pure raw damage, this weapon is incredibly strong. However, there are far more builds that need a tune-down, and Moonveil isn't one of them.
I don't think moonveil itself is the problem, but the way latency effects the game. New players due tend to spam the weapon art good player may experience lag and get hit twice out of the many times they use it and lose the game. It's happened to me a few times its frustrating. Not the weapon but the lag
Thanks for the shout out of the Fallingstar Beast Jaw That is my last resort when I had died one to many times to a monster. The ash of war is spamable and rarely misses its target
I really love having a katana that scales with intelligence. It’s super cool, and goes really well with my infinite FP + comet azure (I hated that run because it was so mind numbingly easy, but still moonveil is a fun weapon)
All this gatekeeping, rulemaking, and misinformation on weapons, mechanics, and builds is just nuts. It just makes me happy to see an impartial and, above all, funny guide series again. It really makes the idea of finally playing Elden Ring instead of watching it softer nowadays, knowing that Tired GF Ranni will be there with all the tips, jokes, and memes I need for a memorable first play.
I love how completely disliking something like moonviel and judging people for using a bs weapon counts as gatekeeping. Its an opinion everyone has a right to have. You use that weapon I will consider you an asshole who doesn't care about anyone else but himself. Let me guess. You probably gank with two other people and tea bag after a hard earned victory of sitting back and spamming night sorceries. Is that you? Don't be shy. Admit it.
Gatekeeping isn't real, you're just a wimp. No one can stop you from playing or enjoying the game the way you want. Yes, if you use magic/bleed and spirit ashes/summons you are the biggest noob ever but no one is physically preventing you from doing so. I never understood this weakling mentality that people will literally not play something because other people might not like it.
My favorite intelligence based weapon is actually the Mudman Spear, I dunno why its just a neat weapon? (Clayman Harpoon, not sure why I said it was an int weapon but I used it as such. Two of them actually)
I also think the Stat seasl contributed lots to the dmg output of moonveil in pvp. I see ppl still using them in high lvl and getting 2 tapped or when I help as sunbro. They literally run around with - 3 defense
It's sad that there are people who get off on preventing others from having fun. Something along the lines of "If I can't be happy, then no one should be"
At this point both Moonveil and Rivers are both victims of its popularity. There is a ton of stuff in both PvP and PvE thats more damaging/dangerous, but simply doesn't share its notoriety. Moonveil is still a good weapon and can still be cheap or too easy in certain situations but I think at large its not worth any outrage anymore. But as so often the opinions change much slower than the game itself and due to its fanciness its always gonna be popular, so its hard to recover from being sick to see it.
In my experience the best way to deal with a singular moonveil spammer is done in three steps. Step 1: aggression. Moonveil spammers are used to people reacting to the sheathe animation by backing off and getting mulched when trying to determine which slash is coming. If you instead react by going apeshit and continuing to come at them then 9/10 they’ll panic and roll away, especially if you understand step 2 well enough. Step 2 learn to roll. Roll timing is the enemy of transient moonlight and one you have it down it doesn’t matter which slash they choose since you’ll radical Larry right through it and sock them in the mouth. Step 3: meme on them. Moonveil spammesr utterly despise it when their supposedly OP weapon gets beaten by you just using something goofy to take them out. Now you may think the obvious answer to goofy is the ringed finger but no. You want them to think you’re serious at first until you reveal the grand gaff. To that end I posit to you this: the humble dismounter or zweihander/gugs with the ash of war “lightning ram”. Since 1.10 the move is a genuine blender rather than the one off goofy but surprisingly dangerous ash it once was. Since the game also treats light attacks out of it as a standard rolling r1 it’s incredibly easy to tumble into someone and follow it up with a proper attack when they attempt to flee from the living Tesla coil smacking them in the knees. Through the dismounter you get a very quick attack with the reach of the second longest curved greatsword in the game and through the two ultra greatswords you get the ever so popular crouch poke to shank them in the spine. It may take some setup to get to work but the resulting victory and humiliation of your enemy makes it very worth it. As of a few invasions ago I can confirm it also works against hand of Malenia goons if you wait until the first flurry’s end.
To be fair: Being extremely aggressive in all PvP will win you more often than not. Anytime you go on the defensive, you are giving the enemy an opening and you are allowing them to do things like heal and attack you. If you watch PvP videos on RUclips, that's most of the mistakes made. People not pressing their advantages. They eat a hit, so they slide into defensive mode, which allows everyone to heal up and reset. Battles are often lost by players who back the heck off and try to heal up. You keep on the attack. You keep pressing. If you keep the stress up, then your enemy will make mistakes. Why would they make mistakes? Because most players in Souls games PANIC at aggression. For good reason. The game outright trains them to do this. Big combo coming? Try to parry, dodge, or block. Don't try to hit into it. Don't be aggressive through it. You eat a hit? Run away so you can chug your Potions. The game outright teaches players to essentially play cowardly, rather than aggressively. You will win most of your PvP by just being insanely aggressive. Keep the hits and swings coming. Keep invading the space of your enemy. Back off ONLY if you're being parried. If you give enemy players time to assess what you're doing, calm down, and reset, then they will best you. After all, you're letting them do what every boss in the game has let them do. Catch their breath. Assess the patterns. Plan an attack. Don't give opponents any space to do anything except react, and you win. Which is, hilariously enough... how most of those players think "X boss is hard!". Because they aren't given an opening to do anything except react, and it kills them. They rely on those openings. Be Malenia when you PvP. Don't be whatever the heck the name of that first boss in the Tutorial Cave is.
@@XxTaiMTxX Ironically some of the ER bosses actively punish trying to be reactionary and defensive. You mentioned being Malenia in pvp and yeah she's a good example, another one is Hoarah Loux who generally doesn't stop coming at you and will chokeslam you straight into the gulag if you try to break off. Generally that's how I prefer to go at pvp if I can help it. As long as I have the stamina and health to do so i'm coming at whoever I fight the entire time unless I know what they're using has priority or will lead to a death inducing trade for me. Aggression with the right gear basically nosells any build or tactic as long as you still rmemeber to play smart.
Ranni saying Jesus Christ is the deepest lore we all need. Those jabs at gatekeepers and rule sharks are spicy as Hell. Keep it up, mate! Love your vids.
the latency isn't an issue in elden ring for online. The issue is fromsoft has no talent at programming anything that requires online and isn't a static message of pre selected options.
Okay so if I want to have a fun time playing Elden ring then I'll uses my Moonveil. Sure I know Elden ring is made for hard core players but as a casual noob that just wants to not die and actually move, i'll just uses whatever makes the game fun
I think moonveil is broken now not because of the aow, but because of powerstance katana jumping and crouching attacks. It rivals damage that of powerstance great spears back in previous patches and is so incredibly fast.
Honestly i switched to a pure str greatsword build (those that supposedly require skill) and the game become super easy, im doing every boss first try, about to kill malakith rn.
I feel like this weapon wouldn't be nearly as toxic as it was if they simply reused the weapon art for the Frayed Blade from ds3. Not only because I feel it adds variety and not just doing the same 2 similar slashes, but I feel that the speed and range of the frayed blade is more balanced than the quickdraw style of the moonveil.
Frayed blade had near insta bleed proc on very fast l2r1 and much wider hit box of l2r2. Balanced. News flash, half things in ER was used on DS3 if you think about it, it's a really hollow argument. Mv is better evolution of that idea
@@Nobody32990 is it really though? I mean I get what you are saying but it still just has a simple ash of war with a beam. The legendary weapons in this game are a hit or miss when it comes to certain things. Though bleed was heavily nerfed at the start of DS3 so it isn't that much of a problem, and damage values are much different in this game than DS3. I don't think it's genuine to compare how mechanics work in ds3 to Elden Ring without taking into consideration the differences in numbers and percentages. Most weapons, most, in Elden ring on their own are not outrageously strong, it's the multiplicative buffs and stacking talismans that make things scale wonky because PVE has such a power creep compared to the older souls titles. Nothing wrong with having bigger numbers, bigger damage, or bigger health pools in pve, but its a byproduct of those things that make weapons and spells seem.. quite unbalanced even if by themselves they are not. Though a lot of these PvP issues would be solved with a better netcode really.
So what I’m taking away from this is that I should totally try dual wielding with moonveil in one hand and rivers of blood in the other. Oh, and use the mimic tear and black knife tiche spirit summons exclusively for every fight possible.
Meanwhile I did a very similar thing by taking the greatsword in caelid and the lion's claw ash of war in caelid which is a broken as fuck combo that completely trivialized all bosses at least until radhan, but I don't here gatekeeper whining here.
Bro, I use moonveil, and before I get 9 year olds screaming in my face, The game is still SO HARD and I’m a casual I just want to have fun, so not my fault when I’m trying to kill placidusax with my friend and that crappy boss run back exists and I get invaded because now if I die I have to run all the way back so THE INVADERS ASKED FOR IT I still haven’t killed placidusax, and it’s dumb.
The thing I hate about Moonveil is that depending on how bad the connection of your opponent is you may or may not dodge it by just running. Sometimes it works sometimes you get almost one shotted
I'll never understand the souls community...I understand pvp players hating on op weapons, BUT isn't the point of pve rpg play to grow your character as much as possible? Elden ring is my first and only fromsoft game, but I've played ALOT of rpgs over the years. I'm an rpg guy. And I've never seen another rpg community complain about finding powerful weapons before. It's generally not only accepted, but desired. The souls community is the only one I've ever seen that sees becoming powerful as a bad thing. Lol its like they think this is a first person shooter or something.
From my first playthrough my main weapon was the moonveil I love this weapon so much that I use it in every playthrough even with the nerf I love it because it’s so cool and it’s give me great melee damage and long range damage
moonveil,say that weapon and your no player I AM ONE AGAIN ASKING FOR YOU TO SHUT UP like the mimic tear,it was yourself who kiled that hard boss keep those runes upgrade yourself
I love the cheese in this game. Bloodborne was a more skillful game all around, and had better enemies for that type of skillful gameplay, focused on parrying and high-speed. Elden Ring enemies are spam machines and parrying doesn't make sense over half of the time; it's no surprise that people don't bother doing it.
FromSoftware fans are so conditioned to their GotY developers going above and beyond to neglect the balance of their game, that a majority of players (that clock in past a single NG+ run) have convinced themselves that large scale peer pressuring and nonexistent balance politics are required to preserve enjoyment beyond the 13th consecutive one-shot invasion the other half are the holistically unhelpful "lol dont play it / just enjoy being 1 shot" crowd. a venn diagram representing these people and drool cup owners form a near perfect circle.
In PvE, it shouldn't matter what you use nor should anyone care. It sucks that other weapons aren't as strong and enjoyable in PvE, but that is another conversation. PvP is another story. Now in 1v1's this weapon is somewhat frowned upon because using its AoW has very little cost and all of the benefits that a mage player would want in a PvP scenario which includes - extremely high burst damage, good projectile range, very quick startup and release of the attack, heavy stagger on the target when hit, very short and easily canceled animation lock, and all of it with a moderately low FP cost. All of this means that in the hands of a noob player, it makes going into melee very dangerous and difficult to punish because of how fast it is, and for an experienced player they can bait you into trading with an attack that, unless its a bullgoat user using a powerful Colossal weapon attack, you will always lose the trade by a good margin. I'm all for having powerful weapons in the game but I feel like there should always be upsides and downsides to every weapon. Right now there are hardly any downsides aside from having to be an int build to use it. If there were to be a nerf of any sort, I would simply increase the FP cost or slightly lower the damage of the beam itself so its effectiveness is more in line with other spells of similar strength.
I am more of a Dragon's Dogma player, however I eventually want to get into the souls/born/ring games. And I find it ridiculous that people are still complaining over a video game over what weapons that there are and what type of builds people like to enjoy. And I'm just going to say it, if you can't beat the opposing player, don't whine about their build or what weapon they are carrying, just do what you would do any other given time you would fall to an enemy's attack, get back up and get better. Because at the end of the day it is a video game that someone out there in this ever-expanding world that people like to play. And that is all I have to say about that.
I might need a video of the most hated weapons just to make a build out of those. I want a build that is a borderline hate crime. I want to make a statement everytime i enter pvp.
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Do you think Moonveil needs ANY kind of nerf?
P.S: It's still amazing for Vergil cosplays
Not really, no. It's only a problem in ganks, and it's way tame compared to bleed
5-8% WA motion value nerf would be nice, but there are way stronger setups which better be nerfed first.
I don’t care about it 🫢
Make a video talking flame and night sword pls
No.
Other weapons need a buff to compete. Stop nerfing everything.
Don't use these weapons, don't use these talismans, don't use any game mechanics ... Brother should we not play the game at all??? Sometimes I just hate Elden Ring community.
Personally, I always hate the community. The biggest problem is that elden ring blew up and countless people started playing souls-like for the first time because of it, so anything that doesn't suit their masochistic ideals is "bad", and people who have been playing souls for a long time just tip their hat, avoid eye contact, and walk faster.
Not like I'm some kind of veteran either, but I've half a brain at least so I can proudly say I'm not as stupid as those people are.
They probably heard of souls-like 5 years ago and thought "ppffft, a game completely reliant on skill? I'd never play that" and then they play it, and fall in love with it, but their brain didn't develop enough to understand that "hey, maybe skill isn't the only thing required to play this game"
Which leads us here, and every weapon that's remotely good gets nerfed because of them
Sure, some nerfs are reasonable, but I would argue that most these nerfs are not.
A weapon going from "DAMN THIS IS INSANE" to "wow this sucks" is just ridiculous.
@@Swarthy. if game mechanics exist, they are probably there to be used by the player ... If you want to challenge yourself and do a naked, bare fist, no runes run, that is perfectly fine, just don't be obnoxious and tell everyone that this is the RIGHT way to play. Some people just want to play the damn game and play with all that it offers, experience all the stuff that devs actually worked hard on ffs.
It's also ironic, how much they boast how the game is about skill, but then start crying how moonveil is OP, because they can't handle a noob with Moonveil lmao. Just get good, mate, what seems to be the problem? :)
@@NoName-ym5zj exactly bro, I would not be able to say it better if I tried 🤝
I wish the whole souls community were like you two lol
I also faintly remember that there was a small community of people that would invade/gatekeep the tunnels leading to the moon veil. I think they called themselves The Veil Keepers or something like that.
The Virginity Keepers
Player made covenants are pretty cool
The only thing they keep is themselves from social interaction
But.... but the Cross Naginata is in there too!
@@OnlyWaifuYTNah they were trying to save people from becoming a Virginity Keeper, because the moment one gets their hands on the Moonveil, that's it. No more sun. No more grass. No more maidens. Only L2 + R2.
It being considered a war crime by the vast majority by the souls community makes me want to use it honestly.
Same here but that because I gank
@@divinecheese Can't relate lol
You're that one bully from 6th grade that you find out later is in jail for manslaughter
@@Rahnonymous hey if they go into my world it fair game
Nothing's wrong with moonveil, just ppl! 😎
Dont care. I'll play the game I bought the way I like.
Based
@@MasterShake911shut up bro
@@AidenCullins-ko2mf you don’t think he should play the game how he wants
@@MasterShake911statements like Based are dumb as fuck a alt-right stain on our language.
It is scrubby
I started with the samurai class and enjoyed using the katana. I similarly got good use out of unsheathe. I wasn't using the internet for my first playthrough, so upon finding moonveil as both a katana (which I enjoyed) and having a straight up better unsheathe, I loved the thing.
The fact that everyone seems to hate it came as a bit of a shock. But, I don't really do the pvp on elden ring, so in the end, I don't really care. Ima use whatever.
Like COME AZUR!!!
I mean, I've beat the game like 3 or four times now, I'm on my 5th playthrough to shake off the rust because of the DLC (which Moonveil isn't especially good in anyways) and I've only used the katana setup on my first play-through. Hell, on my last play-through I decided to be a punchy boy to the end and it was fun as hell.
MOONVEIL, COMET AZUR FOR THE WIN!!!!!
Moonveil’s pretty cool, shame it’s spammy
It's good to see the community still hates Moonveil. I shall continue to use it to make people mad.
I use it cuz I'm new to the game and trying an int build, because I use magic as a support. And it's a neat weapon lol.
@@FauxFoxPaw That's perfectly fine. You have the right to play the way you want, though i do advise to eventually grow out of Moonveil and try different things, recently i've seen some streamers going through the DLC by just spamming L2 with Moonveil and Rivers of Blood and its PAINFUL to watch lol
@@BefallGaming I used Moonveil up until Malenia, and beat the game with Hand of Malenia since it's the cooler weapon
@@DaekoTan Based
@BefallGaming
Bro I can't even get thru this stupid school WITH moonveil. These zombies are pissing me off. I'll probably just quit the game lol.
In DLC we will have longer moonveil with spinning slash. Trust the plan.
So just magic washing pole?
And instead of bleed it will have sleep. Fun stuff 🙃
@@Nobody32990 No. Magic N***kiba
Judgment cut end probably
@charleshastings7260those fags are harder than any ds3 boss 😢
3:20 just want to mention that the meteorite staff is right near rock sling, so you can skip the upgrade staff part (it’s effectively already +25 and boosts rock sling damage as well)
Oh yes, just south of the basement you find rocksling, in a room with some flowers. The combination is excellent. Already S scaling, but you can't upgrade the staff.
Still hesitant to go after the magma wyrm, though, as i'm not all that good at the game still.
Better yet, Rock Sling is classified as gravity magic, which that staff boosts.
@@smokinggnu6584go for it, Magma Worms aren't that bad, aside from one specific encounter at Volcano Manor
@@smokinggnu6584 honestly just go for it, doesnt really matter if you die, no one's gonna judge
@@smokinggnu6584it's easily defeated by the meteorite staff with rock sline cuz you stagger it so quickly. Lemme know if you need help
Souls fans really are some of the saddest people you'll ever meet
Should meet the Dead by Daylight community. Lot of entitled babies.
True (me)
Try to Play Otogi 😋 im Always Happy even in Elden Ding
Oh trust me, there are sadder ones. Much, much, MUCH sadder.
Night Comet is also an OP spell that wrecks as its invisibility properties makes most enemies not dodge it. all npc enemies in pve get destroyed brutally with repeated casts of night comet in their faces. I use it as my main spell for the entire game.
Also can't be retaliated
@@LianleoCCan Thopp’s Barrier stop it?
@@sanlorenzo7896 in pvp i think so, but most people probably won't be able to time it properly.
If it wasn't okay to use it, it wouldn't be included in the game. Same with summons. It's your own choice how you want to play the game
THANK YOU !
for everything there is in any given game, there will be people that hate it. The Majority of people that hate moonveil are pissed because its a compartively strong weapon and hence makes the game easier. They are annoyed at the fact that they have to "suffer more" and they think you doing whatever the F you please takes away from their achievement of beating the game...
@@neko6803 just tell those people to get good
I mean... It's kinda average now.. If there is a mod for Moonveil, it would be a lot better like 5 times better. My kind specifications for a modded Moonveil is that you can buff the weapon, similar to the dark moon Greatsword and the heavy r2s must be similar to the serpentbone blade and has transient moonlight but the light r1 has three slashes which all counted as hits and the r2 is is a horizontal and vertical slash. That's my specifications and opinion
Honestly, the weapon is really fun to use if you're not constantly spamming Transient Moonlight. Using it sparingly and punishing either long wind ups or recovery animations while getting quick hits with the main attack leads to a pretty fun dynamic. I don't use it anymore (because the Dark Moon Greatsword exists) but it was fun while it lasted. Test it out of you want, don't let anyone make you feel bad about it.
Based take, really.
My bread and butter is comet and if they get to close I use transient moonlight because of speed and hit box
The only way I make people feel bad about using moonveil or ROB is when I consistently parry them into the ground 😂
Lol. Based.
i found moonveil day 2, of the games release, i just liked the design so i stuck with it, i normally play str builds in the souls games but in elden ring the moonveil put me on the path to int builds, i can never not use the moonveil at the start
A.I. voiceover is getting better every day. The flucuations, tone, mannerisms, and more are becoming life-like.
I wish I knew what program people used for these A.I.
@@SifGreyfang It isn't any one specific program, but I think they're unwilling to share anyway for whatever reason.
@@TheTraveler980I mean, you give away your secret. Other accounts like yours popping up and making very similar videos would be bad for growth and viewership. Can’t blame them.
elevenlabs or tortoiseTTS
Oh so this acc is pretty much stealing
I didn't expect to hear a well-made AI voiceover of Ranni, but here we are and it feels so surreal
(Amazing video btw)
Remember guys the most important thing about playing video games is to have fun. So use whatever you want
Moonveil is just awesome.
I liked Dex int build with a katana since demon’s souls.
Then in dark souls 1 Dex also decrease spell cast time, so it was even more fun for me.
Elden ring offered a katana that scales with both Dex and int and that katana even has a magical beam. Most awesome weapon for me. Don’t care what other people say. I play the game the way I like.
As we all should.
True Gigachad
Exactly.
I can see it being annoying in pvp but in pve, who cares?
Im on a new run rn and trying to find smth other than bloodhound fang (my noob crutch)
I’ve beaten Elden Ring twice with the Moonveil. Dex/Intelligence build is my favorite.
@@malekartorian3054if you like curved greatswords, get a dismounter or omen cleaver, i personally use a fire dismounter with flaming slash rn and it hits like a truck, but the good thing about using non-somber weapons is playing around with different ashes of war.
I always found Moonveil to be mixed. On release it was definitely problematic but now I think it’s stupidly easy to dodge.
Also after reducing poise damage, it looks like meteoric ore blade has a better stance breaking(at least in feels like that with gravitas+heavy attack), which kinda track because the blade is supposed to be heavier and made out of...well, meteor. It also has more of a kendo overhand strike, which always nice variation.
I used moonveil when I started, knowing how much it was hated... cause f*** what people think. I found it fun to use.
I don't understand why people have this opinion. In my eyes Moonveil requires more skill to use than Bloodhound's fang. I could never play with moonveil, way to different from my playstyle.
I think Moonveil is neat.
I pretty much enjoy any weapon in Elden Ring that has an R1/R2 variant for their Ash of War, like Sword of Night and Flame.
Listen... I don't care. In honor of my wife, Ranni the Witch, I have used every single moon-based item in the game more than once.
The Dark moon great sword is so OP. Thank you lady Ranni 💙
Moonveil haters after getting absolutely shredded by the spinning slash bloodflame nagakiba
(They cannot hate it because it is a based chungus chad reddit weapon)
If it's in the damn game, they need to stop crying like bitches. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" You think somebody should hold back to win against a random as fuck stranger? Hell no, that applies to anything competitive.
This inspires me to build a character centered around dual wielding Moonveil and Rivers of Blood while using Black Knife Tiche and occasionally the rot dog, and perfume. Dex, Int, and Arc sounds like a nice lil combo! Maybe every now and then I'll swap out rivers of blood with the sword of night and flame just to mix things up a bit. Oh! And poison clumps! Can't forget the poison clumps! I'll need those too because my kindred is hungry!
This video has opened my mind. I once was a gatekeeper, and told my friends not to use the moonveil, calling it noob/cheese weapon. But now I’ve seen the error in my ways, and thank you for this video it has helped see my misjudgment, and I’ll better myself down the line.
Hearing ranni talk about moonveil while in casual clothes and holding a mug made me think i was trippin balls
Love your channel. Really enjoying these vids about the updates and insight on past patches. Can't wait for you to have a mountain of content ready when dlc hits 💙
Not sure if this'll be seen, but some fun trivia regarding the Vergil stick. Peeve Peeverson, an invader and streamer, might be the "Patient 0" of moonveil users, man had an early review copy of the game and found the weapon on his first playthrough then proceeded to make a guide to obtaining it on his Twitter, several weeks pass, then he makes the Veilkeepers to atone for his sins of possibly popularizing the weapon. Truly the greatest of redemption arcs.
Eh... that seems kinda silly imo.
@@FauxFoxPaw It came straight from the horse's mouth, I'm an avid watcher of his. I was just quoting what he himself said.
@memesustum9445 I'm not saying you're lying, I'm saying his "redemption" is silly. Such a silly thing to do.
@FauxFoxPaw Oh, right. Pardon my confusion. Player covenants aren't that whack tbh, it's all in good fun, and that's just what I called it at the time, LOL. Warning: wall of trivia text.
He made another in Elden Ring purely for pvp that's like his 2.0 of the Bloodshades that he made back in 2016 for Dark Souls 3 that tried to deal with the gank squad problem at the post Pontiff Sulyvahn area (and then his friend Oroboro came in with his own player covenant that were the polar opposite of Peeve's called the Crusaders LMFAO).
IIRC saintriot and some other creators in the community hosted this event for charity where everyone made their own player covenants in Elden Ring too. It was really fun.
All I'm saying is player covenants are just there in the community to make up for the lack thereof in Elden Ring or for an added level of fun you wouldn't normally find in one that does have covenants such as in DaS3 with Mound Makers, the Farron Watchers and the Aldrich Faithful co-invaders that would rather attack you than the host, just like now in Elden Ring with honor reds, or the confused ones that don't know how the Untrue Dark Ring and Furled Finger's Trick Mirror function even if you unequip them to show you're also a red and they keep hitting you like they're a bull.
Well, what's wrong with moonveil? Just get good and you will beat it, that's what the game is all about, right?
I dont use it, but its kinda weird to me how this weapon is so hated but the Zweihander in DS1 is iconic even though its also broken as all hell
The Zwei in DS1 REQUIRED you to learn how to toggle dodge, so it gatekept skill in a different way. Theres not really much you can do to save you from a double moonveil spam from the host and their level 300 friend in full bullgoats.
Honestly, why bother nerfing in pve? It's a video game. Message to the gatekeepers. The more people that feel welcome, the bigger your hobby gets. The more money they make. The more games they can make. More people to enjoy it. I use a reduvia so I'm probably on the targeted list 😂
Alright for real, this channel and its content is BANGING. I love listening to Ranni lecture me about Elden Ring weapons.
Yesterday, I was the unfortunate victim of a Moonveil gank when fulfilling Varre's questline, and on a low-level character using knives and soldier armor, I stood no chance against a Furled Ringer in full Tree Sentinel with Moonveil while the host threw the kitchen sink at me. I can imagine that plenty of other players had to deal with this at some point or another, which is probably why the stained reputation persists to this day.
Meh i just assume every time i do that quest i lose, the average pve player going up against a experienced pvp specialized player is like a warthog vs a leopard fight the warthhog might kill the leopard but the odds are against you. Take the mandetory loss and move on...
you don't have to fight anyone for that quest. you just have to invade. you can finger cut out and it will still count towards the quest. you can also invade npcs and it will count.
@Abb0able Do it offline and you fight an npc in Altus Plateau instead.
So? You're an invader trying to kill them. Them not paying you any consideration seems rather immersive!
For the sake of this quest, they specially added an NPC who can be invaded and killed without the volcano manor. I don't remember his name, but he's shaggy and armed with a spiked club
Honestly, the worst thing about moonveil (aside from the ridiculous damage) is the fact that you can use it VERY quickly and that in many situations doesnt give you an opportunity to react, so you lose half your HP.
+25 magic fingerprint shield. 96% magic negation. Magic and MV spammers cant cope
@@SwiftyEmpire counter just usable for str + high endurance users.
@WeeabooPocky Typical strength build W it seems then 💪
“Doesn’t give you an opportunity to react”? Huh? That blue flash is a big old “please parry me into the dirt” signal.
@Slender_Man_186 certainly not the magic portion, which is what youre getting hit by 90%percemt of the time
Who even cares about PvP? This is not a PvP game. The latency is absolutely killing it. Nothing is more stupid than dodge an obviously easy move only to see yourself taking damage many frames later. Why even bother?
Moonveil: everyone hates me :(
Ac6 Zimmermann: thats cute
Big facts before the patch 😂
The only reason I use it anymore because I like blue (Loretta’s sickle included)
use the great swoed one it hhas alot more damege
@@joshua-rc8wr the Darkmoon Greatswords blue is too light for my tastes, though I do like the fact that it classifies as a shotgun
lol it's really good againt's mbom/blade of miq try maybe something like hmmm nv there's jackshi# weapon's for blue@@somerandomperson9670
Moonveil > Moonlight Greatsword
yeah but moonlight greatsword is slower but better for pve and hits REALLY DAMN HARD in pvp moonvail ash of war and its projectile can be parryd with carian retaliation or golden parry like i said with rob the range can parry from a far but im a elden ring max nerd ima shut up now
Ranni: “Better than my gift to you, my Dorito-crusted consort?”
i forgot they said carian retaliation could parry it my bad
Ranni: “While you’re busy huffing Reddit-copium and chugging down Gatorade like there’s no tomorrow, fiends across the Lands Between are getting ready to jam their dual Bolts of Gransax up your bunghole. Do you really want to stick with that weeb trash when there are much better options?”
Just discovered your channel, but im already loving your videos ! Keep it up !
I just hate L2 spammers. That's all.
I like keeping it as a side weapon for people interrupting my play, especially at difficult areas. Your punishment is death at any cost. Put your red summon sign down and that’s a different story.
Just let people use whatever they want in PVE. As long as they're having fun with the game that's all that matters (in PVE)
No.
@@thesaltysoup5109*yes
@@Personontheinternet4598no bad weeb
@@Personontheinternet4598yes
"Just let people use whatever they want in PVE." is such a stupid sentence. No one is preventing anyone from playing like a noob. If you want to use magic, bleed, spirit ashes, summons or Blasphemous Blade you absolutely can and no one is actually stopping you from doing so.
People can do whatever they like and people can disapprove if they like. Letting other people influence how you play makes you a weakling, although if you used any of these being a weakling is a foregone conclusion.
Pretty agreed on your take on Moonveil as a whole. It's a pretty alright weapon and can be very good (have an Uchigatana with Glintblade Phalanx and cast Magic Glintblade while running Moonveil for the FULL Vergil effect) in PvE and PvP. It's a fun weapon though I'm more of a Dark Moon Greatsword or Wing of Astel man myself. I'm also a fan of Death's Poker, Helphen's Steeple and recently, the Glintstone Kris (aka my Pocket Comet).
What about the magma curved swords you (rarely) get in the red manor?
@@smokinggnu6584The Magma Blade is easily one of my favorite weapons in the game and is 1000% with the farm. If you have the patience of the Almighty himself, getting two of them will lead you to the Promised Land that is Kratos at Home.
@@ironstark917 noted, i'll try for those when i get there, then. Currently contemplating trying for the moonveil right now, as directed in the vid. Doing a powerstance katana run, but wouldn't mind curved swords for a taste of variety.
@@smokinggnu6584 Hell yeah, dude! Moonveil is a fun weapon. Personally as a weapon class, I prefer Curved Swords over Katanas. With Curved Swords, I'm particular to the Magma Blade, Wing of Astel and the Shamshir. With Katanas, I tend to go Nagakiba and Uchigatana for their variety because they aren't locked into a specific weapon skill though I do like Moonveil and Hand of Malenia.
@@ironstark917 i'm thinking of also trying out curved swords or even straight swords. Aiming to farm a pair of magma blades as well, if only for the fact that they just look so cool.
Reason why you don't see falling star beast jaw ganks as much is because you have to fight a moderately challenging boss and progress through the game a fair bit to get it. Outside of that and having a friend give you one you're way better off just getting Moonveil because it's just easier to get. Even if the Beast Jaw is 10x more braindead, you actually might have to play the game to get it.
Not to mention you only need timing to dodge Gravity bolt spam so its easier than having to read the dumbass spamming moonveil, which has 2 projectiles with different reach and direction
I think the reason is different. Moonveil in ganks is usually used like this: spam spells from distance, and if invader is trying to close distance use Moonveil AoW. Fallingstar Best Jaw would be used instead of spell spam, but IMO Star Shower/Stars of Ruin are harder to dodge than Fallingstar AoW.
@@sergeysmyshlyaev9716 it's near impossible to dodge every projectile without using BHS or some other movement ability last I checked but with them both being nerfed since launch and both being pretty uncommon nowadays idk how they fare against each other.
I had a lot harder time with the wyrm than the falling star beast.
It's literally "floor is lava" but in a really small room. Falling Star beast (on my gelmir iirc) has attacks that for the most part cover less area and if things get too hot you can jump down the spirit spring with torrent, heal up, and hop back up. It keeps its health as long as you don't rest at the grace.
It's more likely that said noobs generally go dex instead of strength
As someone who has just bought elden ring, found your channel a week ago and watched your RoB video, Yes, I will become a RoB & Moonveil duel wielder main and wear any steam comments of BM in pride
And you'll live and pray by the L2 spam like a true lobotomy iPad baby drooling all over himself. You will get shit on everyday, every invasion, by everyone and people will laugh.
@@SuspiciouslyMissingSockLet him have fun with his GAME, its not like he is forcing you to do the same, fckin 4sshole
Never mind, I've found Nagakiba, my beloved
why is every weapon that i think is cool apparently a war crime
I am happy to count myself as one of the viewers who voted for "just another katana". I think moon veil is neat in terms of its AOW and the dmg it can do, but I never thought it was the most broken or "cheesy weapon". Especially after its nerfs.
Even if you don't have an int build, it's still very powerful.
Community: "using moonveil is a goddamm war crime!!!"
Me: "Ehhhhh, l can sorta see it..."
Community: "spinning slash is so fugging broken reeee!!!"
Me: "...Do you just not know you can bait that?"
Same goes for mv (which is even more telegraphed then spinning slash)
@@Nobody32990
Admittedly, yes, but the telegraphed sheathing is pretty low-key and, well, moonveil actually has *_range._* Spinning Slash has practically no gap closing to speak of by comparison.
So l can sorta see the hate for moonveil, but this recent disdain for ez-bait spinning slash really does make me question the community's judgment.
@@Brown95P true BUT spin is complete true combo. It arguably can one shot most people on propet weapon and build.
@@Nobody32990
l legit have yet to see a single spinning slash combo one shot a 60 vigor player, so l dunno what builds you're talking about.
idk man, if you get hit with a transient moonlight hit, especially when it's easily readable that the person is ready to use it, that's on you
I spent most of my game dual wielding katanas, with the moonveil in my offhand. Never knowing the power of Transient Moonlight. I am...unwise.
I just dont like how moonveil gets to ignore spacing, same with washing pole and malenia
Speed, damage, and FP cost are all a 10/10. There is no downside to using its AoW as opposed to others that trade of damage for speed, or fp cost. Not to mention to recovery is so fast it makes it impossible to punish after a successful dodge.
@@_You_Are_Not_Him_ It's only usable in 3v1 gank spanks and used solely by noobs as a result. Pretty much anyone can beat it 1v1 as the ash of war is so easy to dodge. Once the noob uses it five or so times and has to drink he's toast. Since hosts are typically 15 vigor casters it doesn't really need to punishable.
@@icebox1954 "Solely by noobs" grow the fuck up child, it's a video game. I can't believe you are so butt hurt by a item you have to talk shit, man oh man.... I'd hate to be you.
For me is still kinda anoying to fight against, in 1v1 because most of the players just uses it's aow, runs away and nothing more, and in invasions because well, is still drangerous not keeping an eye on it.
Still, in the hands of someone that's good at the game, it's pretty scary to fight against.
I'm in complete agreement. I despise Moonveil, but not for any of the reasons listed in this video to my knowledge. I don't dislike it for the spam, I don't dislike it for making PVE easier for a new crowd of soulsborne players. I think a strong weapon is great in PVE, and more power to them. My main issue with Moonveil is fighting someone who knows what they are doing. Moonveil can and will be a crushingly punishing weapon in PVP in the hands of an expert simply because the animation is fast enough to punish virtually anything I do with no chance of dodging, and with the right setup can melt me at 60 Vigor in 1 or 2 hits. To make matters worse, I've had matches where latency was high enough that Moonveil was instant. No animation, nothing. Just pure damage. I've even had a match so bad that the arc from the blade came from behind me while my opponent was in front of me. The speed is crazy. While the hit *can* be parried, in poor latency matches good luck parrying something that quick without the prediction skills of a god. The only saving grace is that most Moonveil builds have little to no health, so if they don't one shot you, you can probably close the distance and end them first. On good latency, against someone who isn't an expert with Moonveil, this weapon is alright. It doesn't need a nerf, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. I think that in terms of pure raw damage, this weapon is incredibly strong. However, there are far more builds that need a tune-down, and Moonveil isn't one of them.
Yeah but mah golden retaliation :)
@@Dominated001 yeah, but mah delay :^)
@@WeeabooPocky fair enough
i really like the use of the homeless man meme
If Miyazaki didn't want me to be powerful, he would not have given me these tools of war.
Love the FFX background music 👍👍👍
Naaah Ranni has a clear bias in favor of Moonveil because it's related to her lineage
"N-Not true... "
I don't think moonveil itself is the problem, but the way latency effects the game. New players due tend to spam the weapon art good player may experience lag and get hit twice out of the many times they use it and lose the game. It's happened to me a few times its frustrating. Not the weapon but the lag
Combine it with star shower and an extremely passive playstyle, it gets annoying real fast, especially since so many people use it.
Definitely the lag smh shit is fucking annoying
Thanks for the shout out of the Fallingstar Beast Jaw
That is my last resort when I had died one to many times to a monster. The ash of war is spamable and rarely misses its target
I really love having a katana that scales with intelligence. It’s super cool, and goes really well with my infinite FP + comet azure (I hated that run because it was so mind numbingly easy, but still moonveil is a fun weapon)
One day if we’re lucky people can use the weapons they want without being hated
"Moon Men," (commonly known as the "Vsauce theme") kicking in at 1:30 was hilarious🤣
I made a moonveil samurai where i had moonveil, the loretta bow spell and the magic bonk hammer. A very fun build to use, and no im not kidding.
All this gatekeeping, rulemaking, and misinformation on weapons, mechanics, and builds is just nuts. It just makes me happy to see an impartial and, above all, funny guide series again. It really makes the idea of finally playing Elden Ring instead of watching it softer nowadays, knowing that Tired GF Ranni will be there with all the tips, jokes, and memes I need for a memorable first play.
I love how completely disliking something like moonviel and judging people for using a bs weapon counts as gatekeeping. Its an opinion everyone has a right to have. You use that weapon I will consider you an asshole who doesn't care about anyone else but himself. Let me guess. You probably gank with two other people and tea bag after a hard earned victory of sitting back and spamming night sorceries. Is that you? Don't be shy. Admit it.
Gatekeeping isn't real, you're just a wimp. No one can stop you from playing or enjoying the game the way you want. Yes, if you use magic/bleed and spirit ashes/summons you are the biggest noob ever but no one is physically preventing you from doing so. I never understood this weakling mentality that people will literally not play something because other people might not like it.
@@icebox1954 proceeds to gatekeep. Lmao
@@icebox1954 and the award for being a textbook example goes to:
@@Nobody32990 There's no such thing as gatekeeping. No one is preventing you from playing exactly how you want, stop being a little girl and man up.
I love my Moonveil for my sorcery character. I don’t pvp so I don’t care about anyone not liking it.
I pvp and I still don't care what you use. As long as people have fun I don't really care
My favorite intelligence based weapon is actually the Mudman Spear, I dunno why its just a neat weapon? (Clayman Harpoon, not sure why I said it was an int weapon but I used it as such. Two of them actually)
Because it scales with int?
The thing that I hate about moonveil is the spam all you see is a sea of blue
I also think the Stat seasl contributed lots to the dmg output of moonveil in pvp. I see ppl still using them in high lvl and getting 2 tapped or when I help as sunbro. They literally run around with - 3 defense
If Moonveil wasn't meant to be used, it wouldn't be in the game. Same goes for RoB
It's sad that there are people who get off on preventing others from having fun. Something along the lines of "If I can't be happy, then no one should be"
At this point both Moonveil and Rivers are both victims of its popularity. There is a ton of stuff in both PvP and PvE thats more damaging/dangerous, but simply doesn't share its notoriety.
Moonveil is still a good weapon and can still be cheap or too easy in certain situations but I think at large its not worth any outrage anymore. But as so often the opinions change much slower than the game itself and due to its fanciness its always gonna be popular, so its hard to recover from being sick to see it.
In my experience the best way to deal with a singular moonveil spammer is done in three steps. Step 1: aggression. Moonveil spammers are used to people reacting to the sheathe animation by backing off and getting mulched when trying to determine which slash is coming. If you instead react by going apeshit and continuing to come at them then 9/10 they’ll panic and roll away, especially if you understand step 2 well enough. Step 2 learn to roll. Roll timing is the enemy of transient moonlight and one you have it down it doesn’t matter which slash they choose since you’ll radical Larry right through it and sock them in the mouth. Step 3: meme on them. Moonveil spammesr utterly despise it when their supposedly OP weapon gets beaten by you just using something goofy to take them out. Now you may think the obvious answer to goofy is the ringed finger but no. You want them to think you’re serious at first until you reveal the grand gaff. To that end I posit to you this: the humble dismounter or zweihander/gugs with the ash of war “lightning ram”. Since 1.10 the move is a genuine blender rather than the one off goofy but surprisingly dangerous ash it once was. Since the game also treats light attacks out of it as a standard rolling r1 it’s incredibly easy to tumble into someone and follow it up with a proper attack when they attempt to flee from the living Tesla coil smacking them in the knees. Through the dismounter you get a very quick attack with the reach of the second longest curved greatsword in the game and through the two ultra greatswords you get the ever so popular crouch poke to shank them in the spine. It may take some setup to get to work but the resulting victory and humiliation of your enemy makes it very worth it. As of a few invasions ago I can confirm it also works against hand of Malenia goons if you wait until the first flurry’s end.
Thanks for teaching me how people see it i will definitely catch more on roll catches now
To be fair:
Being extremely aggressive in all PvP will win you more often than not. Anytime you go on the defensive, you are giving the enemy an opening and you are allowing them to do things like heal and attack you. If you watch PvP videos on RUclips, that's most of the mistakes made. People not pressing their advantages. They eat a hit, so they slide into defensive mode, which allows everyone to heal up and reset. Battles are often lost by players who back the heck off and try to heal up. You keep on the attack. You keep pressing. If you keep the stress up, then your enemy will make mistakes.
Why would they make mistakes?
Because most players in Souls games PANIC at aggression. For good reason. The game outright trains them to do this. Big combo coming? Try to parry, dodge, or block. Don't try to hit into it. Don't be aggressive through it. You eat a hit? Run away so you can chug your Potions. The game outright teaches players to essentially play cowardly, rather than aggressively. You will win most of your PvP by just being insanely aggressive. Keep the hits and swings coming. Keep invading the space of your enemy. Back off ONLY if you're being parried.
If you give enemy players time to assess what you're doing, calm down, and reset, then they will best you. After all, you're letting them do what every boss in the game has let them do. Catch their breath. Assess the patterns. Plan an attack.
Don't give opponents any space to do anything except react, and you win. Which is, hilariously enough... how most of those players think "X boss is hard!". Because they aren't given an opening to do anything except react, and it kills them. They rely on those openings.
Be Malenia when you PvP. Don't be whatever the heck the name of that first boss in the Tutorial Cave is.
@@XxTaiMTxX Ironically some of the ER bosses actively punish trying to be reactionary and defensive. You mentioned being Malenia in pvp and yeah she's a good example, another one is Hoarah Loux who generally doesn't stop coming at you and will chokeslam you straight into the gulag if you try to break off. Generally that's how I prefer to go at pvp if I can help it. As long as I have the stamina and health to do so i'm coming at whoever I fight the entire time unless I know what they're using has priority or will lead to a death inducing trade for me. Aggression with the right gear basically nosells any build or tactic as long as you still rmemeber to play smart.
Ranni saying Jesus Christ is the deepest lore we all need.
Those jabs at gatekeepers and rule sharks are spicy as Hell. Keep it up, mate! Love your vids.
the latency isn't an issue in elden ring for online. The issue is fromsoft has no talent at programming anything that requires online and isn't a static message of pre selected options.
Okay so if I want to have a fun time playing Elden ring then I'll uses my Moonveil. Sure I know Elden ring is made for hard core players but as a casual noob that just wants to not die and actually move, i'll just uses whatever makes the game fun
I think moonveil is broken now not because of the aow, but because of powerstance katana jumping and crouching attacks. It rivals damage that of powerstance great spears back in previous patches and is so incredibly fast.
That's psk issue and not individual weapon issue.
Me when the 1h katana running R1 is as fast as the 1h fist running R1
Im still running the moonveil, and loving it lol
I've never really used moon veil very much, and I'm an astrologer main. Mainly stuck to the short sword that I started with.
Imagine getting mad at some dudes just minding their own business because you invaded them while they were using moonveil
Honestly i switched to a pure str greatsword build (those that supposedly require skill) and the game become super easy, im doing every boss first try, about to kill malakith rn.
I feel like this weapon wouldn't be nearly as toxic as it was if they simply reused the weapon art for the Frayed Blade from ds3. Not only because I feel it adds variety and not just doing the same 2 similar slashes, but I feel that the speed and range of the frayed blade is more balanced than the quickdraw style of the moonveil.
I thought the same tbh, I think the reason people get irritated at it is that unsheath is already a really fast ash of war, and is spammable too.
Frayed blade had near insta bleed proc on very fast l2r1 and much wider hit box of l2r2. Balanced.
News flash, half things in ER was used on DS3 if you think about it, it's a really hollow argument.
Mv is better evolution of that idea
@@Nobody32990 is it really though? I mean I get what you are saying but it still just has a simple ash of war with a beam. The legendary weapons in this game are a hit or miss when it comes to certain things. Though bleed was heavily nerfed at the start of DS3 so it isn't that much of a problem, and damage values are much different in this game than DS3.
I don't think it's genuine to compare how mechanics work in ds3 to Elden Ring without taking into consideration the differences in numbers and percentages.
Most weapons, most, in Elden ring on their own are not outrageously strong, it's the multiplicative buffs and stacking talismans that make things scale wonky because PVE has such a power creep compared to the older souls titles.
Nothing wrong with having bigger numbers, bigger damage, or bigger health pools in pve, but its a byproduct of those things that make weapons and spells seem.. quite unbalanced even if by themselves they are not.
Though a lot of these PvP issues would be solved with a better netcode really.
Getting ganked builds character, and your skills drastically. Getting ganked by moonveil causes suicide and an instant quit to main menu.
So what I’m taking away from this is that I should totally try dual wielding with moonveil in one hand and rivers of blood in the other. Oh, and use the mimic tear and black knife tiche spirit summons exclusively for every fight possible.
Meanwhile I did a very similar thing by taking the greatsword in caelid and the lion's claw ash of war in caelid which is a broken as fuck combo that completely trivialized all bosses at least until radhan, but I don't here gatekeeper whining here.
Bro, I use moonveil, and before I get 9 year olds screaming in my face, The game is still SO HARD and I’m a casual I just want to have fun, so not my fault when I’m trying to kill placidusax with my friend and that crappy boss run back exists and I get invaded because now if I die I have to run all the way back so THE INVADERS ASKED FOR IT I still haven’t killed placidusax, and it’s dumb.
The thing I hate about Moonveil is that depending on how bad the connection of your opponent is you may or may not dodge it by just running. Sometimes it works sometimes you get almost one shotted
Black flame tornado?
I'll never understand the souls community...I understand pvp players hating on op weapons, BUT isn't the point of pve rpg play to grow your character as much as possible? Elden ring is my first and only fromsoft game, but I've played ALOT of rpgs over the years. I'm an rpg guy. And I've never seen another rpg community complain about finding powerful weapons before. It's generally not only accepted, but desired. The souls community is the only one I've ever seen that sees becoming powerful as a bad thing. Lol its like they think this is a first person shooter or something.
It's not a difficult weapon to counter. Only wet ears have a hard time evading the AoW.
It's basically the only good int weapon for early game, obviously people will use it.
Stop being babies and let people have fun.
From my first playthrough my main weapon was the moonveil I love this weapon so much that I use it in every playthrough even with the nerf I love it because it’s so cool and it’s give me great melee damage and long range damage
moonveil,say that weapon and your no player
I AM ONE AGAIN ASKING FOR YOU TO SHUT UP
like the mimic tear,it was yourself who kiled that hard boss
keep those runes
upgrade yourself
I love the cheese in this game. Bloodborne was a more skillful game all around, and had better enemies for that type of skillful gameplay, focused on parrying and high-speed. Elden Ring enemies are spam machines and parrying doesn't make sense over half of the time; it's no surprise that people don't bother doing it.
So you're saying that the moonveil's reputation is......tarnished?
FromSoftware fans are so conditioned to their GotY developers going above and beyond to neglect the balance of their game, that a majority of players (that clock in past a single NG+ run) have convinced themselves that large scale peer pressuring and nonexistent balance politics are required to preserve enjoyment beyond the 13th consecutive one-shot invasion
the other half are the holistically unhelpful "lol dont play it / just enjoy being 1 shot" crowd.
a venn diagram representing these people and drool cup owners form a near perfect circle.
In PvE, it shouldn't matter what you use nor should anyone care. It sucks that other weapons aren't as strong and enjoyable in PvE, but that is another conversation. PvP is another story. Now in 1v1's this weapon is somewhat frowned upon because using its AoW has very little cost and all of the benefits that a mage player would want in a PvP scenario which includes - extremely high burst damage, good projectile range, very quick startup and release of the attack, heavy stagger on the target when hit, very short and easily canceled animation lock, and all of it with a moderately low FP cost. All of this means that in the hands of a noob player, it makes going into melee very dangerous and difficult to punish because of how fast it is, and for an experienced player they can bait you into trading with an attack that, unless its a bullgoat user using a powerful Colossal weapon attack, you will always lose the trade by a good margin.
I'm all for having powerful weapons in the game but I feel like there should always be upsides and downsides to every weapon. Right now there are hardly any downsides aside from having to be an int build to use it. If there were to be a nerf of any sort, I would simply increase the FP cost or slightly lower the damage of the beam itself so its effectiveness is more in line with other spells of similar strength.
I am more of a Dragon's Dogma player, however I eventually want to get into the souls/born/ring games. And I find it ridiculous that people are still complaining over a video game over what weapons that there are and what type of builds people like to enjoy. And I'm just going to say it, if you can't beat the opposing player, don't whine about their build or what weapon they are carrying, just do what you would do any other given time you would fall to an enemy's attack, get back up and get better. Because at the end of the day it is a video game that someone out there in this ever-expanding world that people like to play. And that is all I have to say about that.
Le me using Moonveil because I’m a DMC fan and initially wanted to play a sorcerer build 🥰🥰🥰
I might need a video of the most hated weapons just to make a build out of those.
I want a build that is a borderline hate crime.
I want to make a statement everytime i enter pvp.
Mage samurai build is tuff as hell, imma be using this weapon 🤣
I never understand why people get so pressed about how others decide to play a single player game? Bunch of insecure bozos