I just love choppers. They make the ball look like its moving in slo mo and it takes a lot of skill to be able to do it when the opponent is slamming the ball at you so quickly.
Top players. Wonderful technique. Incredible shots. Hope there will always be players of the same magnitude/class in future for us table tennis lovers.
Did u all notice that faint smile @ 7:26! He is amazing man.. only Zhang and Wang Hao have mastered how to dispatch the worlds best defender so effortlessly!
Уверенная игра Жан Жаке по защите.Местами мне кажется ,что Он с Хьюком играет как кот с мышью.Надо отдать должное и Хьюку: отлично вытягивает,контратакует.Хотелось бы видеть больше активной игры от защитника.
Zhang Jike was injured back in the Hungarian Open, he was even going to stop it at the 2nd set, but he showed sportsmanship by not doing so. With all the respect I got for Joo, he can't really with Zhang.
Zhang Jike's adaptability is way above any player right now. The way he defended Joo's counter attacks was totally out of the world. Boll failed, Ma Lin and Wang Hao sometimes fail (though they usually don't let Joo attack), Xu Xin maybe close to Zhang's prediction, but not as consistent... It's really hard to see Zhang Jike lose to counter-attacking choppers any day.
Is 8 years ago comment but in my opinion just let you know zhang lost to joo in Chinese super league in 2010. Joo won most of Chinese top players even once. But never win xu xin. Xu xin is best player for chopper. But lose 1 time to ma te another Chinese chopper.
You can see how strong Joo's attack is, his forehand attack, it's almost unplayable. Chopping is a good defensive tool and can be mixed well, but playing as a full time chopper isn't something worth for. It's my personal opinion. I like Joo a lot, chopping skill makes him unique but not a world/Olympic champion.
Maybe now with the poly ball and all, but Koji Matsushita is one who beat the best attackers of his time (Ma Lin, Timo Ball, Jorgen Persson) and never lost 'at ease' even when he did.
@@abubakar.mehmood Matsushita lost to Persson in the Olympics in 2000.He had a perfect score against choppers till 1993 when he had a car accident and suffered neck injury.Chinese players are traditionally no so strong against choppers.Samsonov never lost to a chopper.
@yogistyle92 they are called "provincial edition" , DHS Hurricane II and Skyline III are available as a Provincial Edition i think. they realy have special sponges and are only for sale for the chinese top athlets and table tennis clubs in china. but in some shops like eacheng"dot"net can you order them
@frickenbaba oh, and Zhang also prepares better for blocking Joo's random loops. He's a better blocker overall. And that last point... Zhang baited Joo REAL good. He was ready for that the whole time. The unusual amount of spin on Zhang's loop could also be attributed to the completely different physics of Chinese style rubber and Chinese looping style.
Compare this to the match where Joo Se Hyuk defeated Timo Boll in the same tournament. This shows why China is so much superior to the rest of the world in TT. The spin and penetrative power generated from hard sponged DHS Chinese rubbers is way superior to Tenergy. Add to that the much better physical conditioning of the athletes from China. Their footwork is better, movements swifter and shots faster.
thats not true. Tensor rubbers have a force limit. After that the ball will go outside of the table. With the tacky rubbers its diferent, there are no limits with Force/Spin. For other way, the European tospin its a diferente style and tecnique than Chinese tospin.
@DaKrazedKyubizt He also uses more spin than Ma Long. It seems he actually has a ton of power but had some issues controlling it so he was trained to use more spin in his shots. If you watch Ma Long vs. ZJK matches, you'll see ZJK's loops kick and bounce a lot lower than Ma Long's.
@frickenbaba Well, I think that may be one aspect of it. Boll's forehand is TOTALLY different from Zhang's for one. I think Boll actually enjoys a bit more spin than Zhang, but I would agree that Zhang's more powerful loops might have a bit more spin. But that's definitely not most of it. I'd say the biggest two problems Joo had with this game is that... 1) Zhang has FANTASTIC aim. 2) Zhang is a strategical genius. I don't think I've seen smarter play from a simple two-winged looper.
Zhang became number one, and has only stayed there because the CNT are training for the Olympics at the moment and are not competing in tournaments :P On an off day and if Koki Niwa was on a good day I'm sure Koki Niwa could win, he's an outstanding player ranked in the top 20, around the same rank as Ovcharov when Zhang was beaten by him so it's possible .. just unlikely Yeah I agree with you saying he's confident and remains focused but I'd still argue with him being the number 1 player
You do realize that this video is quite old, don't you? Zhang has won Ma Long in the Slovenian Open 2012 and has also won Xu Xin at Korean Open 2012. And, btw, last time they played with Wang Liqin, Zhang won 4-1. So, I don't really know what you talking about...
Correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like Joo simply couldn't handle Zhang's forehand loops because of how much spin it has. I don't think it was Joo making unforced errors, but rather Zhang forcing him to make mistakes.
Zhang Jike would never lose to a 17 year old guy... no offense. I know how powerful Ma Long is, he is faster and has more power than ZJK. But, Zhang Jike is W#1 because he is playing with more confidence and he always remains focus on his game.
I have always noticed that when joo does a chop with his forehand, it seems that the opponent can smash it easy unlike when he uses his backhand to chop, the opponent would have a harder time smashing it.. idk whats up with it. Is it that the forehand isn't for chopping or maybe its pimpled, idk
@jwzhu Yeah, those two are the two best players in the world by quite a margin. I would have to say that Ma Long is the stronger one of them, but interestingly, it is Zhang who has grabbed the most important titles (though Ma Long certainly has more titles overall).
I strongly disagree that Niwa would beat Zhang. I mean he's 17 and awesome and a very talented kid and all, but no way he'll beat Zhang Jike soon. As for the others that you said, yeah CNT is training for the Olympics, yet they still wouldn't have won Zhang in any of the recent tourneys. Have you seen how efficient he is lately?
If Joo played at his top performance maybe the game would have taken another direction, I mean he's playing as if he had a headache compared to his match with Ma long for God's sake.
I don't even understand why you're referring to the date of this video .. + The Olympic 'warmups' were supposed to be played as if they were playing in the real Olympics to simulate how they should be playing etc after they trained to see how they done. So even though they are 'warmups' which yes I understand what it means, the objective was to try to win .. but he failed to do so against ALL of his opponents .. this is what I'm saying so I recon you should try get up to date sir
Je trouve que Joo n'attaque pas assez, pour ainsi créer un effet de surprise... malgré sa défense extraordinaire, il ne pourra jamais battre les 3 premiers mondiaux, enfin c'est ce que je pense! X)
If Zhang was playing poorly then I recon he could, also Zhang Jike has lost to Ma long 4-3 last time they played, I believe he lost 4-0 against Wang liqin last time they played ( Olympic warm ups ) and then before that he lost to Xu xin, to be frank at the moment he's on a losing streak
@Bossiiiii Well yeah, as Joo is the #10, everyone else in the top 10 is higher ranked and supposed to be better than him. Defenders are more reliant than any other class on the skill of their opponent because you are relying on them to make the error.
It's practically impossible to hit the ball any earlier than Zhang did on match point. Crazy good shot.
indeed
Joo's performance was not bad in this match, but Zhang's performance was way too damn good...
Exactly he played at a level that seems to be godly.
At the final point Joo was like "Ok...he has done everything..."
Joo's reaction at the end is worth 1000 words hahah awesome!!
I just love choppers. They make the ball look like its moving in slo mo and it takes a lot of skill to be able to do it when the opponent is slamming the ball at you so quickly.
JSH has kept back spin artistry alive.
Top players. Wonderful technique. Incredible shots. Hope there will always be players of the same magnitude/class in future for us table tennis lovers.
Indeed.
That match point...
6:18 で張継科がボールを取りに走っていく姿がめっちゃかわいいwwwww
And the score is....game ball?
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Zhang at his best;it sucks that back injuries have retrogressed his game.He was the only ruler before injuries.
i miss this zhang jike :(
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Most Standard Player = Joo Sae Hyuk ❤
joo is THE legendary defensive player
Did u all notice that faint smile @ 7:26! He is amazing man.. only Zhang and Wang Hao have mastered how to dispatch the worlds best defender so effortlessly!
Great quality! Zhang Jike is on the way to become the best player of all time. He is unbelievable fast and in perfect shape.
And 10 years after, I'm here to confirm your statement.
@@chrissantos1877 It's far from true lmao
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Уверенная игра Жан Жаке по защите.Местами мне кажется ,что Он с Хьюком играет как кот с мышью.Надо отдать должное и Хьюку: отлично вытягивает,контратакует.Хотелось бы видеть больше активной игры от защитника.
Joo Se Hyuk has many fans even if he doesn't always win the game. :)
playing defenders is such a test of discipline and consistency
Greatest there ever was and ever shall be
thanks for the video!
Zhang Jike was injured back in the Hungarian Open, he was even going to stop it at the 2nd set, but he showed sportsmanship by not doing so. With all the respect I got for Joo, he can't really with Zhang.
JOO SE HYUK,ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD IN ATTAKING
I've never seen joo get shut out before. Revenge should be on his mind.
Too many players have played against joo see hyuk but.... in my opinion none of em could deal with it like this one.
The next player that plsyed very powerfull with this guy is xu xin in a row. These two controled him and did what they wanted to do.
nice, helpful video to see how Zhang Jike generate power for his fh
i very like Zhang Jike
only the chinese can destroy joo see like that (except samsanov)
*Samsonov
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Both Chinise and Korean are good player！
you can tell zhang's loops were just a tad faster than timo's
thx man!
even through he lost 4-0 i would say this is one of Joos best matches. at some points he actually was offensive
4-0 against the best chopper in the world, almost effortlessly. I would say currently besides ma long, no one can beat ZJK.
I think Zhang Jike will go on for a very long time like Kong Linghui, maybe he'll play longer than others because of his great technique...
CrawSpecificated too soon
Kong Linghui was irrelevant after 2001 anyway.
what an incredible finish !!
2:17 looks as if the umpire was glowing
ttCountanence ! GREAT QUALITY HIGHLIGHT ! Can you upload the Zhang Jike-Wang Hao Final ? Thanks !
Zhang Jike's adaptability is way above any player right now. The way he defended Joo's counter attacks was totally out of the world. Boll failed, Ma Lin and Wang Hao sometimes fail (though they usually don't let Joo attack), Xu Xin maybe close to Zhang's prediction, but not as consistent... It's really hard to see Zhang Jike lose to counter-attacking choppers any day.
Is 8 years ago comment but in my opinion just let you know zhang lost to joo in Chinese super league in 2010. Joo won most of Chinese top players even once. But never win xu xin. Xu xin is best player for chopper. But lose 1 time to ma te another Chinese chopper.
@@Salas8816 Joo is a legend, the best chopper of all time, my fav Korean player.
@@cllllllllll my man came back
@@pedrovoss7852 wow
You can see how strong Joo's attack is, his forehand attack, it's almost unplayable. Chopping is a good defensive tool and can be mixed well, but playing as a full time chopper isn't something worth for. It's my personal opinion. I like Joo a lot, chopping skill makes him unique but not a world/Olympic champion.
best attackers kill defenders at ease
Maybe now with the poly ball and all, but Koji Matsushita is one who beat the best attackers of his time (Ma Lin, Timo Ball, Jorgen Persson) and never lost 'at ease' even when he did.
@@abubakar.mehmood Matsushita lost to Persson in the Olympics in 2000.He had a perfect score against choppers till 1993 when he had a car accident and suffered neck injury.Chinese players are traditionally no so strong against choppers.Samsonov never lost to a chopper.
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@yogistyle92 they are called "provincial edition" , DHS Hurricane II and Skyline III are available as a Provincial Edition i think. they realy have special sponges and are only for sale for the chinese top athlets and table tennis clubs in china. but in some shops like eacheng"dot"net can you order them
Smooth Playa Zhang JK was the best ZJK
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@frickenbaba oh, and Zhang also prepares better for blocking Joo's random loops. He's a better blocker overall.
And that last point... Zhang baited Joo REAL good. He was ready for that the whole time.
The unusual amount of spin on Zhang's loop could also be attributed to the completely different physics of Chinese style rubber and Chinese looping style.
Beautiful drop shot. I'm surprised it's not used more often.
Compare this to the match where Joo Se Hyuk defeated Timo Boll in the same tournament. This shows why China is so much superior to the rest of the world in TT. The spin and penetrative power generated from hard sponged DHS Chinese rubbers is way superior to Tenergy. Add to that the much better physical conditioning of the athletes from China. Their footwork is better, movements swifter and shots faster.
Debashish Mitra Actually Tenergy generates more spin and speed than the tacky rubbers.
thats not true. Tensor rubbers have a force limit. After that the ball will go outside of the table. With the tacky rubbers its diferent, there are no limits with Force/Spin. For other way, the European tospin its a diferente style and tecnique than Chinese tospin.
During their rivalry, Joo defeated Jang Jike at least once.
last point was godlike
@DaKrazedKyubizt He also uses more spin than Ma Long. It seems he actually has a ton of power but had some issues controlling it so he was trained to use more spin in his shots. If you watch Ma Long vs. ZJK matches, you'll see ZJK's loops kick and bounce a lot lower than Ma Long's.
Amazing Counter loop by Zhang at 7:36
@frickenbaba Well, I think that may be one aspect of it. Boll's forehand is TOTALLY different from Zhang's for one. I think Boll actually enjoys a bit more spin than Zhang, but I would agree that Zhang's more powerful loops might have a bit more spin.
But that's definitely not most of it. I'd say the biggest two problems Joo had with this game is that...
1) Zhang has FANTASTIC aim.
2) Zhang is a strategical genius. I don't think I've seen smarter play from a simple two-winged looper.
Zhang became number one, and has only stayed there because the CNT are training for the Olympics at the moment and are not competing in tournaments :P On an off day and if Koki Niwa was on a good day I'm sure Koki Niwa could win, he's an outstanding player ranked in the top 20, around the same rank as Ovcharov when Zhang was beaten by him so it's possible .. just unlikely
Yeah I agree with you saying he's confident and remains focused but I'd still argue with him being the number 1 player
You do realize that this video is quite old, don't you? Zhang has won Ma Long in the Slovenian Open 2012 and has also won Xu Xin at Korean Open 2012. And, btw, last time they played with Wang Liqin, Zhang won 4-1. So, I don't really know what you talking about...
Inhumane speed, man that last point
Correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like Joo simply couldn't handle Zhang's forehand loops because of how much spin it has. I don't think it was Joo making unforced errors, but rather Zhang forcing him to make mistakes.
3:38 allah ackbar :o
I didnt hear it
Not at all. It's "Alakhtaa" which means 'mistakes'
His reverse pendulum serve is better than boll's.
Than Chang Pingpong a Chaampionship of Imposible math point
Zhang Jike would never lose to a 17 year old guy... no offense. I know how powerful Ma Long is, he is faster and has more power than ZJK. But, Zhang Jike is W#1 because he is playing with more confidence and he always remains focus on his game.
How come last game they did not play up to 11. Just ended at 10?
I have always noticed that when joo does a chop with his forehand, it seems that the opponent can smash it easy unlike when he uses his backhand to chop, the opponent would have a harder time smashing it.. idk whats up with it. Is it that the forehand isn't for chopping or maybe its pimpled, idk
Zhang Jike is really very tough
Very nice! Which language is that?
in the end joo's like...why do i even try? :(
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I did not know Jorgen Strangle from Fairy odd parents commentate Table Tennis. :3
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@jwzhu Yeah, those two are the two best players in the world by quite a margin. I would have to say that Ma Long is the stronger one of them, but interestingly, it is Zhang who has grabbed the most important titles (though Ma Long certainly has more titles overall).
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@SlowNzZz he has long pips on backhand, cannot loop with it
Is Zhang Jike using some Timo Boll serves? His reverse pendulum, specifically, looks to me in Boll's style.
I strongly disagree that Niwa would beat Zhang. I mean he's 17 and awesome and a very talented kid and all, but no way he'll beat Zhang Jike soon. As for the others that you said, yeah CNT is training for the Olympics, yet they still wouldn't have won Zhang in any of the recent tourneys. Have you seen how efficient he is lately?
yes salov, yes salov!!!!!... SALOV, GIGANTE xD
2:26 : What are these ZJK shoes?? The name? Anyone ? Plz
Mizuno Wave Medal
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If Joo played at his top performance maybe the game would have taken another direction, I mean he's playing as if he had a headache compared to his match with Ma long for God's sake.
I don't even understand why you're referring to the date of this video .. + The Olympic 'warmups' were supposed to be played as if they were playing in the real Olympics to simulate how they should be playing etc after they trained to see how they done. So even though they are 'warmups' which yes I understand what it means, the objective was to try to win .. but he failed to do so against ALL of his opponents .. this is what I'm saying so I recon you should try get up to date sir
Je trouve que Joo n'attaque pas assez, pour ainsi créer un effet de surprise... malgré sa défense extraordinaire, il ne pourra jamais battre les 3 premiers mondiaux, enfin c'est ce que je pense! X)
joo n zhang are teammates in chinese super league
У зеленого некоторые проблемы с переходом в атаку. Успешная защита должна переходить в атаку, а у него глухая оборона, без перспектив.
Вопрос только в том, что Джу Се Хуку не предоставили шансов перейти в атаку.
what kind of mizuno shoe is that @ 2:25 ? no more wave medal?
@LightSpeed99999 ooh! observant! never noticed that. I'll check it out.
U got to be at your best, to beat this defender
Look how Zhang defeats Joo
the commentator sounds like he's throwing up
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Joo See Hyuk's forehand rubber here sounded like a Chinese rubber. Is it really?
He uses tenergy64 and tsp p1r curl
that's because Zhang was injured at that time! ^^
@yemail5555 I've heard that Boll suffers from injury for almost 5 years, everytime he lost a game people say that....LOL
If Zhang was playing poorly then I recon he could, also Zhang Jike has lost to Ma long 4-3 last time they played, I believe he lost 4-0 against Wang liqin last time they played ( Olympic warm ups ) and then before that he lost to Xu xin, to be frank at the moment he's on a losing streak
@Bossiiiii Well yeah, as Joo is the #10, everyone else in the top 10 is higher ranked and supposed to be better than him. Defenders are more reliant than any other class on the skill of their opponent because you are relying on them to make the error.
6:54 What a ralley
Joo gave a good fight..but still. Damn you Chinese exclusive blue sponge : )