Race winning brands is the private equity group that you are speaking of, they are screwing up all the entire HiPerformance market today. As far as CHI and CID and Higgins I was involved in their port designs and manifolds also. CID is in Minnesota and the castings come from Profiler, I hope that helps.
Good video.... my time was well spent.... alway's good to know what goes on... behind the scenes.... I remember when all there was.... was Brodix and Brownfields,... 1 on the west coast,... and 1 on the east,... good old days.........
My new AFR 220 renegades flowed over advertised!!! Super clean and boxed "wooden" lol with the foam core inside etc..packaged to accomadate the inferior delivery driver lmao!!
I would absolutely love to see a similar hierarchy tree focused on BB and SB Mopar, BB Ford, Other GM and maybe even AMC. Granted those crowds are smaller, but they love this stuff just as much.
Great video Eric. Some really good information and opinions based on your experience. One head that I keep looking at for the Cleveland is the Scott Cook SCM heads. Another Australian head, but developed to look externally identical to the original Ford head, but in aluminium, and with a number of different port and combustion chamber options. Thanks again. Regards Greg
The one thing i was always impressed with was Afr exhaust port flow. They werent huge cc but for sbf exhaust port flow is so good even compared to other aftermarket pieces. One company you didnt list is Performance world. It looks like a Canadian company that domestically machines foreign castings. They have HUGE cathedral ls heads that use offset ls3 rockers and have a 252cc intake port. They also have regular gen1 castings and huge rec port ls3 castings as well. I dont expect a set of these to cross your bench.
I'm no expert, but I've had a few Edelbrock, Trick Flow, Dart Pro 1's, and just picked up the AFR Eliminators today. And visually AFR has the nicest heads I've seen. Hopefully I'll find out how well this perform this week.
My engine builder recommended Liberty for my build. He said their head was a good bang for the buck. It's the first aluminum headed sbc engine I've had. So far so good. No fancy script out front but I'd. The engine runs good and has not had any issues so far.
I would love to see a video of the best niche group of heads for each as well, like Chevy stuff has the Sonny’s, edelbrock big victor 3, etc. love the video tho man thanks a bunch!
Cash , quality and performance combined....AFR is tough to challenge..oh and dont forget about the edelbrock victor/glidden head...that dam thing is Krazy good!!! if you have Deep Pockets!!
Great video! This is the information I've looked for for 5 years. 3 of those years were wasted simply trying to get hold of ProFiler sbc heads! Refuse to answer emails! Won't answer phone calls! And in the end I'm convinced all ProFiler wanted to do was give potential customers the worst customer experience possible! And that's people just trying to buy there cylinder heads! Dealing with that company was like getting your teeth pulled out your head without anaesthetics
I ordered my Higgins sbf heads directly from them. Stand up people and excellent products. Zach Smith at ZSR engines in Missouri is now a dealer. He only does Ford engines though. He’s also a good dude. Ordered a lot of parts from him and when the time comes he at least do the machining and possibly the assembly.
@@Mpcoluv it was a little over a year ago when I bought the heads, valley plate, intake, and valve covers for sbf. Had them in 2-3 weeks including shipping time. Took longer to get pistons and rockers arms that are made here in the states.
Thanks, have several friends running ProFiler stuff (BBC/ T/D type stuff) and love them. I'm getting ready to do a SBC/gen1 for my street MGB and like some of their options. Thanks again--great info
There are now so many aftermarket heads on the market now which creates a lot of study . Like a lot of things if your not dealing with these things often its hard to appreciate the differences . What you did was well layed out and cuts to the chase about your opinion on all these heads
I was looking at putting a set of the afr 227cc eliminator race ready racing heads on my sbc 406. Looking to put a big solid roller cam in the engine to go with the heads. Looking to have my compression ratio at the 11:1 or so and looking to make 500 to 600hp. This is just gonna be a play toy for the street and maybe track time. But still want to be able to drive it to work and daily drive still. Would the heads be a good choice for me?
I’m running a set of all pro heads and all pro intake , on my 427 ls. 11.5:1 solid roller m1 combo , with a forced inductions gen 3 gtr 98/113. Hoping to make enough power to run 4.20s-4.50s once we get the combo dialed in . Bob is an awesome person to work with , goes above and beyond as far as customer service goes .
Eric Weingartner nice review man. Higgins are some bad momba jombas. I wish they are more available here. Your customer that just brought in those CHI 3v heads was trying to get the Higgins but they do not respond worth a damn. I am yet to see any CHI heads (even the CHI Kaase 400 heads) beat the Higgins yet. Video is a 465 SBF with the newest Higgins heads and newer intake. Nice numbers with this little engine 😉 ruclips.net/video/_PJFEpqVnG0/видео.html
Your not the only ones paying through the teeth for Higgins heads , there a high quality expensive top end head, down here in Australia you rarely see then in the wild , for the most part there on top end builds where the cost of the parts isn't there biggest concern 😟
It's like fast food joints they get bought out by corporate big business and then turn to crap as there only focus is on profits not reputation and quality
Back in the day before for sbc iron heads it was the pro Topline heads😎 neighbor had a stock block iron headed sbc (408) made 650hp na. Also had a 200 shot single stage. Ran 9.80 na and 8.90 with the spray in a foxbody notch. Those old school pro Topline heads were sweet. Can’t find them anywhere now. It’d be like finding gold. Pretty sure when this motor was running in the mid 00’s those heads were already out of production and bought out 10 years earlier. Now it’s the known RHS pro action stuff but I’m not 100% sure if the heads are as good as they were when the New Zealand company was making them back in the 90’s, and I don’t think they even make an iron head anymore. Maybe I’m wrong.
In my experience which is limited. I have found for bang for your buck and being ready to slap on and go I find afr being superior. I love my brodix heads but they took some work to get where I am today
Ton of great info. Thanks for putting this together. I’m researching for BBF heads and it’s difficult because BBF seems to be all the big head guys’ side gig.
CID has a symmetrical port BBC head that I saw make 100 more hp when bolted on a motor even when they had to use a smaller cam because of valve angle .
Currently using Flotek on a sbf - seem to work good, but there was work needed on the intake ports to get them to match the intake. It appears that there is some core shift. I have heard about this from more than one user.
Eric , what do you think about CFE? As far as TFS, has the hardness of the head improved? Kaase made a really good flowing SBF head 10 yrs ago which were Canted with good flow numbers. Unfortunately, they're no longer in production
Hey Eric! First of all, love the videos, I have learned a lot from them. Question, I have a sbc (327) and I'd like to beef it up a bit. It's a street application so I'm looking for power gains throughout the power range. From what I have read/researched, folks are upgrading to the AFR 195 heads with an applicable cam (comp XE274). In this video you mentioned that Profiler makes the best sbc head in your opinion; is that for street or race applications? Or both? Thanks in advance! Would you stay with the AFR/comp combo, or maybe the Profiler/comp combo?
Good Video … But can we please have a similar video for the Mopar 383/400/440 and can you please do a full review of the Trick Flow 240 & 270 head for the 440. Thanks.
Hi, do you have any info or an an opinion on the ford Z304 heads, I have a set of the 1st line up sitting in the boxes for about 10 years, " one of those deals that I thought I couldn't pass up even though I didn't need lol" was wondering if they are worth getting ready for the track, drag, thanks for your time
I heard when edelbrock purchased the comp performance group or whatever they shut down rhs because edelbrock didn't want a second cylinder head division
Hello Eric..I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I find your videos very informative…I would like to know what set of heads you would recommend to me for my stock Chevy 350 as an upgrade..it is stock bore and the factory heads are boat anchors as far as I’m concerned…I want a decent set of heads for around $1200 assembled..,I will of course replace the camshaft to match the heads…any suggestions? I trust your judgement so that’s why I’m reaching out to you…
Core shift. Occlusions in castings. And I have experienced first hand of machine tooling not being changed out when dull. Poor quality control. Where am I talking about? -C-hina. How many foundries are left that can forge 4350 steel crank billets? Aussies? Brits? Canucks? USA? Mexico? India? And of course brand -C-. Cam blanks are about 90% imports now.
How quick do you think edelbrock heads got worse after Vic took a boatload of money (which almost certainly made no tangible difference in his life because he was already shamefully wealthy) in exchange for his name and legacy? I know mine aren't serious race car stuff, but I built my small block Ford in 99 and the performer rpm heads I used work pretty well.
I bought some cheaply made heads for my c4 corvette. The heads were bent 2.6mm between in the middle when I placed them together. I torqued the mid bolts first, so I could find out how much torque was wasted to make them flat. The heads are the crappy Edelbrock RPM, Poorly made in the U S A.
I used to work on a lot of those Pro Topline cast iron SBC and SBF for circle track guys. I believe that they became RHS. Thanks for another informative video.
RHS was a porting service back in the day. They started Comp Cams in the sixties. Then the tail wagged the dog in the 80's and Comp Cams shut the doors on RHS. In the early 20's Comp bought the Pro Topline foundry in New Zealand and revived the RHS name. I have RHS heads on my 351W stroker 389, unfortunately times have not been good for RHS once again, I believe they have disappeared.
You ever come across Skip White Performance NKB heads? Made in China but supposedly use a high grade of aluminum. PBM valves, Comp springs, retainers and locators.
Good review! I need to do the heads on my C6Z/LS7, I'm strongly considering the PRC 285 Texas Speed heads. Thoughts? They seem like one of the better values with decent flow numbers.
I'm in the same boat, I just got a deal on a set of PRC 285s I couldn't pass up. A guy bought them and then decided to go a completely different route, brand new in box, never even set on the block. Shipped to my door for $2500. I can't wait to put this thing together and see how it does. I do think the PRC 265 would probably be better for a street car though, not 100% sure.
@@ssoffshore5111 I will say this, I ran PRC 225s on my Camaro with a somewhat outdated cam (Torquer V2) Fast 102, 4" exhaust, and I definitely hurt some feelings with that setup. I beat up on a couple cammed LS3 C6s and a C5 with a 416 and LS3 heads. Ran that setup for 12k hard miles until I was rear ended.
I skipped the Chinese head part. I'd never bolt a Chinese head on an American engine. Well maybe if I was selling it.😂 One of my friends bought some of those, I think they were Pro maxx? He didn't have them checked out before installation, just bolted me on...send it. They began goin tits up before the engine was even fully broken in. Same thing happened to me with some brand new S/R Torquers I put on a Chevy 383. After that I went to the wrecking yard and picked up some decent Vortec heads. Had them freshened up and bolted em on. They were way better than the aftermarket ones. That car ripped with the Vortec heads,great for the street.
I'm wondering if you ever tested any of these small block Chevy heads. Edelbrock Victor junior, promaxx CNC or trickflow twisted wedge. I never had any, but always heard the twisted wedge was better than you would think for it's port size.
Saw a 10.5 to 1 355 ci sbc with Vic Jr heads,Vic Jr cam,the one they made at the time,and the 850 or 800 cfm Edelbrock/ Carter carb ,the one they made at the time and made around 515 hp. Unfortunately I believe the cam and carb are no longer made.
Oh wow I never heard of the 3 Australian brands also the 3 brands you mention Dart, World Products, and EQ they are circle track heads for sure I know quite a few people use 1 of those 3 and I use World Products for my wingless sprint car I am getting into. They are 220 runners and 208 intake and 160 exhaust I don't know the flow numbers but I tried to look them up I guess they flow 290cfm peak but I don't know I never found good proof of them.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but the guys at engine Masters have done some really good test on the Pro Comp heads that you say are completely junk and they only made 20 less horsepower than a head that cost three times as much Richard holder also did some procomp and Speedmaster head comparisons at Westech performance and found that for the price you could not come close so I would say China junk is probably just an opinion and I would rather base my information on actual numbers from a Dyno session such as engine Masters or Westech performance. I personally use brodix heads
If any of these companies would start making heads for Mopar's again it would really be a hit since currently TF and Speedmaster are the only options. Now both are great options but no one makes a SB Magnum head anymore.
I would say stock for stock unported in my opinion if you just want to bolt on a head and go drag racing with a sbf its afr. Followed closely by trickflow 11r. Now ported that changes a bit but im running old school svo y303 heads that have been opened up so much they are almost unrecognizable from the stock version 😂
For the real budget sbf I wouldn't touch Flotek besides the hammer head which has been OOS for ages. There basic head is a. China gt40 based casting, promaxx is prob the best Budget street China option for sbf, the rest sell the yongyu dart clone. Afr, proheader, rpc liberty etc.. . Covid killed a lot of the China supply though. No idea who did the hammer head for flotek but they seem to be the only one with it wouldn't mind trying those on the cheap. Way too many levels of performance to lump stuff by brand vs engine in a video like this but I get the point of it. In the end all the private equity firms buying up the industry is going to end up killing it..
ThT is the part no one is really paying attention too. When someone decides to pull the plug on these acquisitions or the call comes in from the feds to pollute the waters on these gas fed industries…it’s going to hurt. Mom and pop / Mr or Mrs Independent Business Person(s) are the folks we need to stand behind.
I think that it's worth mentioning that a lot of this is relative. You mentioned the DART 10° LS head being the best however that is not a "true" LS head. What I mean by that is that it cannot simply be bolted on where the stock intake and exhaust fit. In other words if you purchased that head, you will have to have a custom intake and either modify your exhaust or build it from scratch. There is a comparable head to that called the MOZEZ head from MAST motorsports which I'm surprised and yet not surprised that you didn't mention. It wouldn't surprise me that you have never seen one since you have cylinder heads come through your shop that need your attention and these are ready to go. The MOZEZ are every bit comparable to the DART 10deg. You mentioned that AFR was the best out of the box head possibly (if I recall correctly). The mast heads for LS and late LT engines are by far the superior cylinder head. The seats are as well blended both in the bowls and the chambers as I have ever seen in any out-of-the-box heads, as well as the concentricity of the valves being consistently the best. That brings me to another relative subject. A lot of these cylinder heads have concentricity issues because of how plastic the aluminum is. That all settles down after the cylinder heads have been run for a while and as a result, I highly recommend anybody getting any of these heads (at least for the LS platform), remove their cylinder heads after a few months of heat cycling and get a valve job done or at least the valve concentricity checked to confirm it's still good. There's also Frankenstein heads. They have become much bigger in the LS community although I don't care for them for reasons other than their out of the box performance.
I know of the mozez head but it has not come through the shop. I didn’t bring up mast, all pro, and Frankenstein because to me they are more of head porting place than an actual manufacturer. Although mast is more of the exception to that rule and I probably should have included them.
@@WeingartnerRacing I certainly appreciate your videos and don't want this to come off as any argument but you mentioned PRC heads and maybe you've seen otherwise but I've only seen them being sold by Texas speed, yet another porting operation of course. Are the PRC castings sold elsewhere? I recall when MAST bought the operation from Cary (sp), whom started Performance Induction heads. I don't suppose they have their own foundry but I believe they are specifically cast for them just like CID heads have proprietary castings made by Profiler. Any idea who is doing the casting for MAST? Last one for the record. DART also does not own a foundry, or at least not for their blocks. I got that directly from them.
So obviously the China heads are cast in China. But of the other "American" heads that don't have their own foundries....where do they get theirs cast? USA or China? Who does it for them?
What is the best heads for 5.3 L83 with btr stage 2 cam Looking to get the best Preformance Thus us a daily driver If you have what you what I need I’m interested in purchasing
Great content Thank You which Trick Flow twisted wedge heads would You recommend for a good street able 347 SBF with an Edelbrock Pro Flow 4 system backed up by an AOD and 3.73 gears in a 92 Fox Body coup . Any information that You can share will be greatly appreciated , Thank You . 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
Don't know about anyone else but there has been a rash of buying out of drag strips in Texas. They are shutting them down. One of the best in USA ,Baytown dragway by Houston got bought out for industrial space.
Race winning brands is the private equity group that you are speaking of, they are screwing up all the entire HiPerformance market today. As far as CHI and CID and Higgins I was involved in their port designs and manifolds also. CID is in Minnesota and the castings come from Profiler, I hope that helps.
Man real info. Nice to know.
RWB bought out Australian Haltech.
Good video.... my time was well spent.... alway's good to know what goes on... behind the scenes.... I remember when all there was.... was Brodix and Brownfields,... 1 on the west coast,... and 1 on the east,... good old days.........
Is it wrong that I’m a AFR fanboy. I’ve always had great luck with them and everyone I know who has ram them has great luck.
My new AFR 220 renegades flowed over advertised!!! Super clean and boxed "wooden" lol with the foam core inside etc..packaged to accomadate the inferior delivery driver lmao!!
I would absolutely love to see a similar hierarchy tree focused on BB and SB Mopar, BB Ford, Other GM and maybe even AMC. Granted those crowds are smaller, but they love this stuff just as much.
Great video Eric. Some really good information and opinions based on your experience. One head that I keep looking at for the Cleveland is the Scott Cook SCM heads. Another Australian head, but developed to look externally identical to the original Ford head, but in aluminium, and with a number of different port and combustion chamber options. Thanks again. Regards Greg
The one thing i was always impressed with was Afr exhaust port flow. They werent huge cc but for sbf exhaust port flow is so good even compared to other aftermarket pieces.
One company you didnt list is Performance world. It looks like a Canadian company that domestically machines foreign castings. They have HUGE cathedral ls heads that use offset ls3 rockers and have a 252cc intake port. They also have regular gen1 castings and huge rec port ls3 castings as well.
I dont expect a set of these to cross your bench.
I have a set of AFR 205 for a sbf.
Can't wait to see the dyno numbers once completed.
I'm no expert, but I've had a few Edelbrock, Trick Flow, Dart Pro 1's, and just picked up the AFR Eliminators today. And visually AFR has the nicest heads I've seen. Hopefully I'll find out how well this perform this week.
U know anything else about performance world heads?
just call higgins in australia and becoem a dealer. i cant see it hurting there company
My engine builder recommended Liberty for my build. He said their head was a good bang for the buck. It's the first aluminum headed sbc engine I've had. So far so good. No fancy script out front but I'd. The engine runs good and has not had any issues so far.
I would love to see a video of the best niche group of heads for each as well, like Chevy stuff has the Sonny’s, edelbrock big victor 3, etc. love the video tho man thanks a bunch!
Awesome video !!! I wish you could do one for aftermarket Pontiac heads. There is a lot of misinformation in that area.
Is Kenne Bell still a thing for BOPCO stuff?
Cash , quality and performance combined....AFR is tough to challenge..oh and dont forget about the edelbrock victor/glidden head...that dam thing is Krazy good!!! if you have Deep Pockets!!
25 years ago Trick Flow's heads and intakes used to flow like crap. Good to hear they've improved.
Great video! This is the information I've looked for for 5 years. 3 of those years were wasted simply trying to get hold of ProFiler sbc heads! Refuse to answer emails! Won't answer phone calls! And in the end I'm convinced all ProFiler wanted to do was give potential customers the worst customer experience possible! And that's people just trying to buy there cylinder heads! Dealing with that company was like getting your teeth pulled out your head without anaesthetics
Thanks for the time taken, to inform us.
I ordered my Higgins sbf heads directly from them. Stand up people and excellent products. Zach Smith at ZSR engines in Missouri is now a dealer. He only does Ford engines though. He’s also a good dude. Ordered a lot of parts from him and when the time comes he at least do the machining and possibly the assembly.
Higgins has heads in stock?
@@Mpcoluv it was a little over a year ago when I bought the heads, valley plate, intake, and valve covers for sbf. Had them in 2-3 weeks including shipping time. Took longer to get pistons and rockers arms that are made here in the states.
Thanks, have several friends running ProFiler stuff (BBC/ T/D type stuff) and love them. I'm getting ready to do a SBC/gen1 for my street MGB and like some of their options. Thanks again--great info
It's my belief these "equity groups" have bad intentions for the industry.
All about max dollars.
There are now so many aftermarket heads on the market now which creates a lot of study . Like a lot of things if your not dealing with these things often its hard to appreciate the differences . What you did was well layed out and cuts to the chase about your opinion on all these heads
I was looking at putting a set of the afr 227cc eliminator race ready racing heads on my sbc 406. Looking to put a big solid roller cam in the engine to go with the heads. Looking to have my compression ratio at the 11:1 or so and looking to make 500 to 600hp. This is just gonna be a play toy for the street and maybe track time. But still want to be able to drive it to work and daily drive still. Would the heads be a good choice for me?
210’s would work for you
@@hereinmissoula11 the AFR 210? What could I be looking at for a hp with them?
@@matthayes5164 more than 500 probably 550 with enough cam I've seen 383s with 195 street ported versions do 500+
I'm running afr 245 on my 3309 lbs camaro and car has been 9.51 @ 144mph n/a stock suspension
Great video Eric
I mostly do LS builds
, mostly FI my go to for big inch is all pro for smaller i find PRC is hard to beat… any thoughts?
I’m running a set of all pro heads and all pro intake , on my 427 ls. 11.5:1 solid roller m1 combo , with a forced inductions gen 3 gtr 98/113. Hoping to make enough power to run 4.20s-4.50s once we get the combo dialed in .
Bob is an awesome person to work with , goes above and beyond as far as customer service goes .
I really enjoyed your video, Eric.
Eric Weingartner nice review man. Higgins are some bad momba jombas. I wish they are more available here. Your customer that just brought in those CHI 3v heads was trying to get the Higgins but they do not respond worth a damn.
I am yet to see any CHI heads (even the CHI Kaase 400 heads) beat the Higgins yet. Video is a 465 SBF with the newest Higgins heads and newer intake. Nice numbers with this little engine 😉 ruclips.net/video/_PJFEpqVnG0/видео.html
you need to look into Higgins Race Heads. also MBE and AllPro are my pick from USA from downunder.
Your not the only ones paying through the teeth for Higgins heads , there a high quality expensive top end head, down here in Australia you rarely see then in the wild , for the most part there on top end builds where the cost of the parts isn't there biggest concern 😟
What about ALL PRO ? Not included ?
The brand you can afford usually work best
It's like fast food joints they get bought out by corporate big business and then turn to crap as there only focus is on profits not reputation and quality
Back in the day before for sbc iron heads it was the pro Topline heads😎 neighbor had a stock block iron headed sbc (408) made 650hp na. Also had a 200 shot single stage. Ran 9.80 na and 8.90 with the spray in a foxbody notch. Those old school pro Topline heads were sweet. Can’t find them anywhere now. It’d be like finding gold. Pretty sure when this motor was running in the mid 00’s those heads were already out of production and bought out 10 years earlier. Now it’s the known RHS pro action stuff but I’m not 100% sure if the heads are as good as they were when the New Zealand company was making them back in the 90’s, and I don’t think they even make an iron head anymore. Maybe I’m wrong.
In my experience which is limited. I have found for bang for your buck and being ready to slap on and go I find afr being superior. I love my brodix heads but they took some work to get where I am today
Ton of great info. Thanks for putting this together. I’m researching for BBF heads and it’s difficult because BBF seems to be all the big head guys’ side gig.
Kaase is serious with his offerings for BBF power pricey but you get what your paying for
I have been thinking to upgrade to head hunters for my sbf I havent heard too many folks running them im glad too see they are great
I believe the Flowtek heads are manufactured in Evansville, Indiana
Excellent video Eric I just wish your audio was a little better I have a hard time hearing you because I have a hearing disorder
Great video, thanks for sharing 👍
CID has a symmetrical port BBC head that I saw make 100 more hp when bolted on a motor even when they had to use a smaller cam because of valve angle .
I thought Allpro was as good as you could get as far as sbc stuff?
Currently using Flotek on a sbf - seem to work good, but there was work needed on the intake ports to get them to match the intake. It appears that there is some core shift. I have heard about this from more than one user.
Eric , what do you think about CFE? As far as TFS, has the hardness of the head improved? Kaase made a really good flowing SBF head 10 yrs ago which were Canted with good flow numbers. Unfortunately, they're no longer in production
Love dart cast iron heads
The old “iron eagle “ SBC heads were very good for their day
Seen a 13 degree ALL PRO headed 468ci SBC produce over 950hp NA.
Hey Eric! First of all, love the videos, I have learned a lot from them. Question, I have a sbc (327) and I'd like to beef it up a bit. It's a street application so I'm looking for power gains throughout the power range. From what I have read/researched, folks are upgrading to the AFR 195 heads with an applicable cam (comp XE274). In this video you mentioned that Profiler makes the best sbc head in your opinion; is that for street or race applications? Or both? Thanks in advance! Would you stay with the AFR/comp combo, or maybe the Profiler/comp combo?
Afr are better out of the box. Right now only about a $100 more expensive too.
@@WeingartnerRacing thanks!!!
Good Video … But can we please have a similar video for the Mopar 383/400/440 and can you please do a full review of the Trick Flow 240 & 270 head for the 440. Thanks.
Hi, do you have any info or an an opinion on the ford Z304 heads, I have a set of the 1st line up sitting in the boxes for about 10 years, " one of those deals that I thought I couldn't pass up even though I didn't need lol" was wondering if they are worth getting ready for the track, drag, thanks for your time
I heard when edelbrock purchased the comp performance group or whatever they shut down rhs because edelbrock didn't want a second cylinder head division
All of Higgins current port and manifold design is done by GP Technologies (Gale Powley) Higgins is adding more heads LS, Ford and now SB chevy
Hello Eric..I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I find your videos very informative…I would like to know what set of heads you would recommend to me for my stock Chevy 350 as an upgrade..it is stock bore and the factory heads are boat anchors as far as I’m concerned…I want a decent set of heads for around $1200 assembled..,I will of course replace the camshaft to match the heads…any suggestions? I trust your judgement so that’s why I’m reaching out to you…
Were the trick flow sbf twisted wedge heads any good? I always wanted a set of them back in the day.
I still run a set!
@@richfrederick3329 I just worked on a 2000 Saleen that has a brand new set on it, they were the mod motor ones. Real bad azz car!
Core shift. Occlusions in castings. And I have experienced first hand of machine tooling not being changed out when dull. Poor quality control. Where am I talking about? -C-hina. How many foundries are left that can forge 4350 steel crank billets? Aussies? Brits? Canucks? USA? Mexico? India? And of course brand -C-.
Cam blanks are about 90% imports now.
How quick do you think edelbrock heads got worse after Vic took a boatload of money (which almost certainly made no tangible difference in his life because he was already shamefully wealthy) in exchange for his name and legacy?
I know mine aren't serious race car stuff, but I built my small block Ford in 99 and the performer rpm heads I used work pretty well.
I was surprised AllPro didn’t make the list.
I bought some cheaply made heads for my c4 corvette. The heads were bent 2.6mm between in the middle when I placed them together.
I torqued the mid bolts first, so I could find out how much torque was wasted to make them flat. The heads are the crappy Edelbrock RPM, Poorly made in the U S A.
Eric, next time list specific LS head manufacturers.
I would but most LS guys don't buy aftermarket heads, instead they use stock castings. I mentioned the best LS heads in my opinion in the video.
Mast, Frankenstien, All Pro, CID, DART 10*, Brodix BR3/BR7...
Great information thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I used to work on a lot of those Pro Topline cast iron SBC and SBF for circle track guys. I believe that they became RHS. Thanks for another informative video.
RHS was a porting service back in the day. They started Comp Cams in the sixties. Then the tail wagged the dog in the 80's and Comp Cams shut the doors on RHS. In the early 20's Comp bought the Pro Topline foundry in New Zealand and revived the RHS name. I have RHS heads on my 351W stroker 389, unfortunately times have not been good for RHS once again, I believe they have disappeared.
You made a good video, but you forgot "CFE". They are one of the best by far on a professional level, and they have their own casting.
This was outstanding. thank you for your time.
You ever come across Skip White Performance NKB heads? Made in China but supposedly use a high grade of aluminum. PBM valves, Comp springs, retainers and locators.
Not much more $$$ you can support USA...
Does the flotek have good hardware then? Like valves, springs, guides and rocker studs? I heard they get their parts from pep in Las Vegas
I just bought a set of afr head 1451 work great 9.40 best time.
Good review! I need to do the heads on my C6Z/LS7, I'm strongly considering the PRC 285 Texas Speed heads. Thoughts? They seem like one of the better values with decent flow numbers.
I'm in the same boat, I just got a deal on a set of PRC 285s I couldn't pass up. A guy bought them and then decided to go a completely different route, brand new in box, never even set on the block. Shipped to my door for $2500. I can't wait to put this thing together and see how it does.
I do think the PRC 265 would probably be better for a street car though, not 100% sure.
@@C6Z_Bob Yup, hard to pass that up! LMK how you make out!
@@ssoffshore5111 I will say this, I ran PRC 225s on my Camaro with a somewhat outdated cam (Torquer V2) Fast 102, 4" exhaust, and I definitely hurt some feelings with that setup. I beat up on a couple cammed LS3 C6s and a C5 with a 416 and LS3 heads.
Ran that setup for 12k hard miles until I was rear ended.
Edelbrock makes ford racing intakes too!
I'm thinking of getting another Ford soon for me it's easy, either AFR or TFS only. Both proven performance, quality from sound companies.
I skipped the Chinese head part. I'd never bolt a Chinese head on an American engine. Well maybe if I was selling it.😂
One of my friends bought some of those, I think they were Pro maxx? He didn't have them checked out before installation, just bolted me on...send it.
They began goin tits up before the engine was even fully broken in. Same thing happened to me with some brand new S/R Torquers I put on a Chevy 383. After that I went to the wrecking yard and picked up some decent Vortec heads. Had them freshened up and bolted em on. They were way better than the aftermarket ones. That car ripped with the Vortec heads,great for the street.
I'm wondering if you ever tested any of these small block Chevy heads. Edelbrock Victor junior, promaxx CNC or trickflow twisted wedge. I never had any, but always heard the twisted wedge was better than you would think for it's port size.
Twisted wedge is a sbf head .
@@hereinmissoula11 Now days,but they used to make a sbc twisted wedge.
Saw a 10.5 to 1 355 ci sbc with Vic Jr heads,Vic Jr cam,the one they made at the time,and the 850 or 800 cfm Edelbrock/ Carter carb ,the one they made at the time and made around 515 hp. Unfortunately I believe the cam and carb are no longer made.
Have been impressed with my AFRs. Well made, make great power.
Same here. Very impressive head.What set up do you have yours on? Mine is 383 SBC, 195 AFRs, Vic Jr, .576" lift hyd roller ....
@@arodderz sbc 427 AFR 220 around .610 .630 hyd roller 574 hp 577 tq on the motor with a h20 300 shot available
@@brutusvk2 nice..👍
wanted to double check, trick flow is owned by summit racing, is that right?
Oh wow I never heard of the 3 Australian brands also the 3 brands you mention Dart, World Products, and EQ they are circle track heads for sure I know quite a few people use 1 of those 3 and I use World Products for my wingless sprint car I am getting into. They are 220 runners and 208 intake and 160 exhaust I don't know the flow numbers but I tried to look them up I guess they flow 290cfm peak but I don't know I never found good proof of them.
Great great video. I've always wondered a lot of this
Eric, good overview and insight. Thanks for the video
How about All Pro heads? that’s what I got in my sbc
what about all pro heads?
What happened to the Patriot heads?
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but the guys at engine Masters have done some really good test on the Pro Comp heads that you say are completely junk and they only made 20 less horsepower than a head that cost three times as much Richard holder also did some procomp and Speedmaster head comparisons at Westech performance and found that for the price you could not come close so I would say China junk is probably just an opinion and I would rather base my information on actual numbers from a Dyno session such as engine Masters or Westech performance. I personally use brodix heads
I base my opinion on what I have seen and done. I have seen many pro comps. I can confidently say they are junk.
@@WeingartnerRacing Like anything with that name on it!
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If any of these companies would start making heads for Mopar's again it would really be a hit since currently TF and Speedmaster are the only options. Now both are great options but no one makes a SB Magnum head anymore.
If they sold them they would be lucky to break even on them after 5years.
In your experience, what is the best flowing factory BBC head ? Have you had any experience with the new Speedmaster line yet ?
Dang my heads were the 1’st ones you come to and you threw em in the trash.
😂 The good news is they haven't ruined your engine yet and you can always say you have tons of room for improvement or upgrades.
Where does all pro rank on the list?
Near the top
from what i seen blue prinnt very afr like
I would say stock for stock unported in my opinion if you just want to bolt on a head and go drag racing with a sbf its afr. Followed closely by trickflow 11r. Now ported that changes a bit but im running old school svo y303 heads that have been opened up so much they are almost unrecognizable from the stock version 😂
So where does ALL PRO fall into on this list? Can't believe they aren't on here.
They are very good.
Should I be concerned about the rocker studs protruding down into the intake runners on my new afr sbc 195’s
No
Dart LS heads out of the box are kinda crummy, until you port them, they suck.
Dart heads are very, as cast, AFR CNC heads look impressive.
@@tezzrterry7485 talking 205s andv225s
Brodix makes the best chevy 4.3 v6 heads...you can easily get 450hp or more with them heads
What about MBE ?
What about Kaufman heads for Pontiac?
What about the GM PERFORMANCE FASTBURN ALUMINUM HEADS!!!!
For the real budget sbf I wouldn't touch Flotek besides the hammer head which has been OOS for ages. There basic head is a. China gt40 based casting, promaxx is prob the best Budget street China option for sbf, the rest sell the yongyu dart clone. Afr, proheader, rpc liberty etc.. . Covid killed a lot of the China supply though. No idea who did the hammer head for flotek but they seem to be the only one with it wouldn't mind trying those on the cheap. Way too many levels of performance to lump stuff by brand vs engine in a video like this but I get the point of it. In the end all the private equity firms buying up the industry is going to end up killing it..
ThT is the part no one is really paying attention too.
When someone decides to pull the plug on these acquisitions or the call comes in from the feds to pollute the waters on these gas fed industries…it’s going to hurt.
Mom and pop / Mr or Mrs Independent Business Person(s) are the folks we need to stand behind.
I think that it's worth mentioning that a lot of this is relative. You mentioned the DART 10° LS head being the best however that is not a "true" LS head. What I mean by that is that it cannot simply be bolted on where the stock intake and exhaust fit. In other words if you purchased that head, you will have to have a custom intake and either modify your exhaust or build it from scratch. There is a comparable head to that called the MOZEZ head from MAST motorsports which I'm surprised and yet not surprised that you didn't mention. It wouldn't surprise me that you have never seen one since you have cylinder heads come through your shop that need your attention and these are ready to go. The MOZEZ are every bit comparable to the DART 10deg.
You mentioned that AFR was the best out of the box head possibly (if I recall correctly). The mast heads for LS and late LT engines are by far the superior cylinder head. The seats are as well blended both in the bowls and the chambers as I have ever seen in any out-of-the-box heads, as well as the concentricity of the valves being consistently the best.
That brings me to another relative subject. A lot of these cylinder heads have concentricity issues because of how plastic the aluminum is. That all settles down after the cylinder heads have been run for a while and as a result, I highly recommend anybody getting any of these heads (at least for the LS platform), remove their cylinder heads after a few months of heat cycling and get a valve job done or at least the valve concentricity checked to confirm it's still good.
There's also Frankenstein heads. They have become much bigger in the LS community although I don't care for them for reasons other than their out of the box performance.
I know of the mozez head but it has not come through the shop. I didn’t bring up mast, all pro, and Frankenstein because to me they are more of head porting place than an actual manufacturer. Although mast is more of the exception to that rule and I probably should have included them.
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@@WeingartnerRacing
I certainly appreciate your videos and don't want this to come off as any argument but you mentioned PRC heads and maybe you've seen otherwise but I've only seen them being sold by Texas speed, yet another porting operation of course. Are the PRC castings sold elsewhere?
I recall when MAST bought the operation from Cary (sp), whom started Performance Induction heads. I don't suppose they have their own foundry but I believe they are specifically cast for them just like CID heads have proprietary castings made by Profiler. Any idea who is doing the casting for MAST?
Last one for the record. DART also does not own a foundry, or at least not for their blocks. I got that directly from them.
Mast casts their own heads, all by their self, here in America!
chapman did a lot of mopar stuff and they started out with mopar giving them garbage to work with but later design was amazing
How old is this video? CID is made in USA, Higgins has SB Chevy SB2-2, SB Ford and LS heads, he will sell direct and organise shipping to USA
Best head is from a pair of lips 😂
So obviously the China heads are cast in China. But of the other "American" heads that don't have their own foundries....where do they get theirs cast? USA or China? Who does it for them?
Some are cast in America some cast overseas.
What is the best heads for
5.3 L83 with btr stage 2 cam
Looking to get the best Preformance
Thus us a daily driver
If you have what you what I need
I’m interested in purchasing
How much lift on a cam is needed, to get the best use out of Brodix head hunter SBF?
For street use,
What about the Mast Black Label, for LS’s? Don’t say Mabel, say Black Label. Remember that beer commercial in the 50’s and 60’s?
Have Edelbrock 315 intake volym I ported de Exu cbb 461cui Dyno power 1100hk 6700rpm..Procharger F2 only 12 psi boost...
do the blueprint heads feature a .500 raised exhaust port? if so do you need special headers to run them?
Hey Eric, are you a fan of the Brodix BR7 LS Heads ? or would you point someone to the higher end Dart LS heads instead ?
Great content Thank You which Trick Flow twisted wedge heads would You recommend for a good street able 347 SBF with an Edelbrock Pro Flow 4 system backed up by an AOD and 3.73 gears in a 92 Fox Body coup . Any information that You can share will be greatly appreciated , Thank You . 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
Don't know about anyone else but there has been a rash of buying out of drag strips in Texas. They are shutting them down. One of the best in USA ,Baytown dragway by Houston got bought out for industrial space.